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VOTE: pisskop
For refusing to vote.

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Reminder to everyone that Heyouka is at L-1 so no one 'Accidently' hammers.

No, Heyoka

is hammered since post 149 .

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Reminder to everyone that Heyouka is at L-1 so no one 'Accidently' hammers.

No, Heyoka

is hammered since post 149 .

Wasn't he at L-2 before that?

Read the votecount with 4 votes, then read down. 4 votes + tchill + TIAM + kookoo=7 votes. 7 votes are hammer.

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I am not sure about pisskop right now they refused to RVS vote until page 3, but I don't see anything else concerning right now.
I don't like what I am seeing at lexa; "I finally rolled town", post 40, then post 105 that looks like scum.
I like Kookoobird's 147 but their quickhammer at post 149 means that I want more pressure on that slot.
Mohab, 104 asserts still being in RVS; that doesn't look like RVS to me. However, dunno if that is really AI. Also a bit more of fluff than I am comfortable with.

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Not too much on eth0s.
Tchill, why did you put heyoka at L-2?
Screenplay got way too much fluff there.
I can understand their reasoning on Heyoka there though.
Time is up. Will post later if we are still in twilight.

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Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

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Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

I don't see that this has been answered or responded to. I guess it is because Kookoo is scum wanting to hide this scumslip.
After we lynch Kookoo and they flip scum we need to take a look at Pisskop because they were probably misplaced as scum partner of Kookoo.

Lynch Kookoo

If Kookoo is some strong mafia power role I'd say the Screen accusations could be a bus; more so because they didn't claim ascetic Day 1; you just need to look which role died last night to know why this would be a terrible idea as Town; it is more likely to come from scum.

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eth0s, rb, pisskop, Tchill, Mort are town never lynch them. creen, mohab, nk15, lovebird contains 2 or 3 scum. you get your wish, I'm out.

I don't see why they should townread pisskop or RB
The Day 1 of RB was way too weak. Little real scumreading.
The Day 1 of pisskop was really bad. They started the game, and then refused to vote in RVS until some votes were cast, late in post 49
They also have a bit too much of fluff in their posts.

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No I'm not saying that's his personality. I'm saying because of his personality he's probably town. I highly, highly doubt a decent player fakes a guilty as scum there.

Oh really.
Decent players would do that there. Provided they think that they can get away with it. And it looks like there are too many town that think that way, so it is not entirely unreasonable. I am pretty sure that if Kookoo is a decent player they thought they can get away with it. Don't fall into that trap.

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No I'm not saying that's his personality. I'm saying because of his personality he's probably town. I highly, highly doubt a decent player fakes a guilty as scum there.

Oh really.
Decent players would do that there. Provided they think that they can get away with it. And it looks like there are too many town that think that way, so it is not entirely unreasonable. I am pretty sure that if Kookoo is a decent player they thought they can get away with it. Don't fall into that trap.

I'm not understanding the assumption that he's a decent player.

I am not really convinced that Kookoo is a decent player, hence the "if"
I am convinced that Kookoo is scum.

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Not just pro town and anti town. Consider kookoo's mentality.

Yeah but why is their mentality paired with the quickhammer town-indicative for you, as opposed for it to be NAI?

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VOTE: Pisskop
We have scummy behaviour here:
Not voting before post 49, the 6th post of Pisskop.
It is usually scum who likes to avoid random votes early.
Post 6; completely by chance, yeah sure. Look at Pisskop, they are so town! Not buying that.
Fluff in their posts. Trying to look like they are doing more than they are.
Post 88: sheeping on Heyoka without any reasoning. After rb made a similar vote; even using this as cover up...
Post 621: LAMIST again.
Post 537: misrepresenting the argument of TIAM on Tchill, could be a honest mistake, so low confidence in this indicator.

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VOTE: Pisskop
We have scummy behaviour here:
Not voting before post 49, the 6th post of Pisskop.
It is usually scum who likes to avoid random votes early.
Post 6; completely by chance, yeah sure. Look at Pisskop, they are so town! Not buying that.
Fluff in their posts. Trying to look like they are doing more than they are.
Post 88: sheeping on Heyoka without any reasoning. After rb made a similar vote; even using this as cover up...
Post 621: LAMIST again.
Post 537: misrepresenting the argument of TIAM on Tchill, could be a honest mistake, so low confidence in this indicator.

this is such a shoddy attempt. Its low effort

and

manages to look like its a tryhard attempt to wrangle up a wagon. How do you do both at once?

Give reasoning for your characterization(of this as shoddy) instead of dismissing it.
What makes this shoddy? You not liking what I write?

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I feel like the Pisskop wagon is bullshit here. No actual focus on his content and more nitpicking about his playstyle.

What did I just read??
No actual focus on his content? Nitpicking about playstyle?

That

is

BS

.
What's content exactly do you feel is making them TOWN?
How is voting without genuine explained reasoning, avoiding early votes, having fluffy posts and not posting much(most of their posts are one-liners)and being LAMIST, and all of this at once,

not scummy

?
Explain this right now.

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I need to reread everything.
One thing we definitely need to talk about is why of all people Lovebird died.

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Ok. Reads didn't change much.
VOTE: Pisskop

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Can people give me their opinions of NK15

Cant read them

Townie tone.. just kinda sounds like he's not putting effort tbh. He's consistent with what he;'s saying so I don't think he's faking..

Not putting effort? Well, you could call it that.
I just want to avoid what happened in my earlier games. Every time I put lots of effort into lynching scum/preventing a bad lynch at least one of the following happened:
1.I was ignored and my reads called bad.
2.I was voted up at L-1(and sometimes lynched)
3.Town/game-ending Jester got lynched.
And most of these games got either lost, or were won not due to my effort.
The games I won were mostly games where my scumreads were not that good(and that aren't many).

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A dead Ascetic Rolestopper does not allow a permanent protection chain.And then I can act only every other night.
Yes, that's right

I am a Non-Consecutive Night Doctor

and Pisskop is scum.
Before we lynch them let's continue with our massclaim. TIAM should be next.

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LYLO. Let's finish the massclaim before voting.
And do not do what Pisskop did(fakeclaiming as town ).

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Night 2: Not Known 15 No movement

VOTE: TIAM

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TAKE YOU'RE VOTES OFF. ONE MISS VOTE WINS SCUM THE GAME.

We have to finish the massclaim yes, but it's a lot more useless in lylo when anyone can fake claim yolo and if we mislynch its over.

TIAM saw no movement.
I am a Non-Consecutive Night Doctor.
No action Night 1.
I acted Night 2.<-and TIAM saw no movement
No action Night 3(obviously)

TIAM is lying.

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Not lying. But I really don't have any defense so do what you must, it will lose you the game.

This does not come from a town mindset.


Tchill, you have not claimed.
rb has not claimed.
Mohab claims VT.
Eddie claims VT
I claim Non-Consecutive Night Doctor
TIAM claims Motion Detector.
Mort claims Neighborizer

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UNVOTE:
I guess it doesn't hurt to unvote.

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I'm a town 2 shot weak friendly neighbor.

I shot screen night one, which is why I was against his stupid lynch.

And I shot mohab last night.

Mohab please confirm.

Mohab.
Do you confirm this?

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The scumteam is:
Mohab
Tchill
TIAM

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I'm a town 2 shot weak friendly neighbor.

I shot screen night one, which is why I was against his stupid lynch.

And I shot mohab last night.

Mohab please confirm.

Look at this claim.
Look at it.
We have LYLO today.
Tchill claims to be a WEAK role.
That acted LAST NIGHT.
That is not a town claim.
This is mafia trying to cross

confirm

themselves.
Their other supposed target was LYNCHED without them ever claiming an innocent.
Bullshit.

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The scumteam is Tchill/Mohab/TIAM
TIAM is obvious scum; with their admitted fakeclaim with zero credibility.
The claim of Tchill is horrible;
but there is more they lied:

I straight up forgot about the weak modifier. Tried to save screen because it was an obvious TvT discussion.

when they just said two posts earlier:

I'm a town 2 shot weak friendly neighbor.

I shot screen night one, which is why I was against his stupid lynch.

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The scumteam is Tchill/Mohab/TIAM
TIAM is obvious scum; with their admitted fakeclaim with zero credibility.
The claim of Tchill is horrible;
but there is more they lied:

I straight up forgot about the weak modifier. Tried to save screen because it was an obvious TvT discussion.

when they just said two posts earlier:

I'm a town 2 shot weak friendly neighbor.

I shot screen night one, which is why I was against his stupid lynch.

Spell out for the idiot (that's me) why this is a contradiction

Tchill, in their first post, told us that they were against the screen lynch because they shot them(which implicates they defended them because of the weak modifier).
In their second post they told us that they forgot about the weak modifier and tried to save screen because it was obvious TvT for them.
Do you see the contradiction now?

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VOTE: TIAM
I have enough evidence for this one.

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Mort the scum team is TIAM/Tchill/Mohab. This should be obvious by now.

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NK what happened to your push on eddie?

It never existed.

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NK you don't think it's odd that tiams claim contradicted yours then morts?
I think TIAM is scum desperately trying not to get lynched.
No.
Just coincidence to you?

Why not?

You know eddie replaced into this slot that you were determined was scum right?

Oh yeah eddie was kookoo.
But I am still sure that you and Mohab and TIAM are scum, so I guess I was wrong at that point.

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Let's lynch nk instead.

VOTE: NK

This confirms Twoinamillion as scum.

If scum get voted in lylo and font get quick hammered they can't explain why they didn't.

Only play here for scum is to create the same scenario for another player.

Twoinamillion is definitely scum now.

TIAM is scum, but this reasoning is not good.

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Scum is voting atm they're not gonna win off votes out there atm.

Oh I am sure scum is voting. TIAM.
I am very sure that TIAM is scum.
What do you want? Wait until time is up and we nolynch in LYLO?

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The scum team is TIAM/Mohab/Tchill.
And now Tchill is desperately trying to get someone of us mislynched.
Saying even that TIAM is lock scum for them without voting for them.

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TAKE YOU'RE VOTES OFF. ONE MISS VOTE WINS SCUM THE GAME.

There. This looks townie if you don't look at the context.
However, this was made after the CC's(me vs TIAM's fake role). Normally any townie would assume that it is fine to vote there; if two claims at LYLO contradict each other. The only reason why Tchill did not like that was that TIAM was scum with them. They then tried to make themselves town by fakeclaiming Friendly Neighbor and Mohab had little chance but to play along.
This is one more evidence to them.

And I shot mohab last night.

Mohab please confirm.

You note the difference? They did say "Mohab please confirm"
They did not wait for their target to announce it themselves(which would make more sense; if your action got blocked you get a false confirmation otherwise.
They did not just say that they were a weak friendly neighbor and asked for confirmations. That would have been what I would have expected from town in this situation.
According to the rules scum do not have daychat unless they have an encryptor.
This "Mohab please confirm" looks like scum signalling other scum "You have to help me here".
And Tchill was committed to make a strong claim for their behaviour. Maybe they had something in mind that would not work if we get one more night after a TIAM flip? And they then panicked?
Because this is how it looks to me.

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Now let me be very very clear.

If I'm nk. I think kookoo/eddie is terribly scummy for faking a guilty? It shows in his iso.

The person that kookoo/eddie faked a guilty on flipped town. Flipped a PR if I'm not mistaken.

Now from NK's perspective... Shouldn't this make kookoo/eddie even a BIGGER scum read? The fake flipped town. In many situations players would take this as a confirmation that kookoo/eddie was scum. Especially a player pushing kookoo/eddie as hard as nk was.

NK dropped the push. Completely.

He lock Towned the kookoo/eddie slot to push a tiam/mohab/tchill team IN LYLO.

He lock Towned the kookoo/eddie slot without explanation.

Yeah eddie is locktown not because his behaviour wasn't scummy to me. It was.
Lovebird thought eddie/kookoo to be not scum and they promptly died.
Others on that day thought kookoo was town, not scum, for their behaviour.
And I am inclined to follow that because eddie did not give me cause for concern ever again.
And now Tchill Mohab and TIAM are lock scum for me which means that eddie has to be town.

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So the fake guilty flipping town did nothing to further your suspicion of that slot?

You TR eddie now solely because others did for their own reasons while you do now have a specific one?

The fake guilty was suspect...

You TR eddie now solely because others did for their own reasons while you do now have a specific one?

I do not understand what you are trying to say.

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I'm saying you've failed to give a distinct reason to hard TR a slot you pushed hard for half your iso.

You've lock Towned them by default without an individual reason to TR them.

Yes ik the fake guilty was suspect. I'm not asking that.

I'm asking the fake guilty FLIPPED TOWN. WHICH SHOULD FURTHER YOU'RE SUSPICION OF EDDIE/KOOKOO AT THAT POINT BUT YOU DROPPED HIM ENTIRELY.

YOU DO NOT EVEN MENTION EDDIE AGAIN AFTER THE PROPOSED FAKE GUILTY FLIPPED TOWN UNTIL YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO COMMENT ON IT.

The same night after the lynch Lovebird died. Which made me suspect that scum might try to set them up
And then nothing suspect came from Eddie anymore which is why I forgot the connection at some point until you pointed it out.

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Connect mohab and tiam as a team for me.

well they voted tiam but TIAM wasn't in danger of being lynched.
Then they did not vote TIAM anymore but TIAM looks like they are constantly above the zone of players to lynch.
Could be a initially attempted bus/distancing for towncred that Mohab wanted to get out of.
TIAM has not stated any reads on Mohab and other people.

Not to mention that I suddenly went from Number 1 townread before the last lynch to a very scummy player(for Mohab)
Tchill probably thought I would not find anything.

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What do you think about rb's mentions of tiam? Do you feel strong enough to say rb is for sure not scum with tiam?

The general highpoints of your case of mohab/tiam could be made for rb/tiam

The case is not really strong.
...because Mohab is guilty by association to YOU.

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Yeah we made some misplays(such as letting Mohab instead of Eddie live last night)
and town made it at the end.
I am not really

happy

about what rb did, though(gamethrowing).

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you would have lost anyways my guy, but yea it wasnt good

Before rb voted and then openly gamethrew we had a chance.
After that only if TIAM had let you live and you had lynched Mort in paranoia.


In the dead chat Boonskies told us that this game was scumsided; I doubt that.
Sure, it isn't townsided; I'd call it actually balanced.
Just like you have to factor in that town will not accurately use its actions you also have to factor in that the Mafia has no idea on what the town roles are.
As a result, the Sticky Fruit Vendor was not as powerful as Boon thought.

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Also lol, giving dunker the fruit and killing him the same night

... makes protections and Watchers useless.