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VT claim could be laughed off as a joke but could also be a way to be ignored by investigatives. She HAS made a lot of noise but seems to have only gained negative attention from me.
Like i said earlier i don't see scum approaching d1 in that manner. I'm a big proponent of the fact not everyone plays scum the same way or the way you'd expect them to. Purely off of possible scum motivation, oath is a strong candidate for scum here. Lack of stances, nothing to look back on, appears to be active but isn't doing much in all honesty, SUPER early VT claim.-
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i agree.
I CAN'T town clear Gus for you. I can tell you he's town based on familiarity with the player. I've never seen him tunnel in a toxic manner as town. Now if he wants to claim he isn't who i think he is, fine whatever idc im just gonna ignore that. He has the right to make an alt i have a right to believe who his main is. He's town because of the noise. Why attract that attention?There's no self preservation in his play. Unlike Oath he has been loud with multiple reads and aggressive with multiple reads.
He has made 2 weird claims and he is REAL close to becoming policied because i've seen what his play is like from here on out and its not benefecial to town.
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inconsistent because im sorting on limited info considering its d1. the misrep conversation is futile as you believe i've done that on purpose. I'd be willing to discuss the hypocricy.In post 891, Oath wrote:
When I presented the issues surrounding your scumminess to me, you basically called it ridiculous. You've offered nothing but push back when I've mentioned your inconsistency, hypocricy, and misrepping nature. So I'm frankly tired of going over these things with you. You know I'm town. So IF you're town, you want me here simply because the slot I occupy is town. If you and Yuurei are town and there for means the town is in good hands, then my one little vote here against you means nothing. We lynch scum. I am not scum and you know that. You may be annoyed with me. Unhappy that I won't bother elsewhere right now, but that is basically it.In post 888, Tchill13 wrote:if im town why would i want you in the game oath? if you're wrong and im town how can i show you that? im not subtly pushing for your lynch. im asking where i benefit from being your teammate.
your one "little vote" is a chance for a major contribution form a player but you refuse to contribute in a meaningful away while there are MULTIPLE scum members. That is the issue. I DO NOT KNOW YOU ARE TOWN BECAUSE YOUR PLAY SHOWS...
self preservation if the form of limited reads, a VT gambit, a lack of sorting (even a lack of town hunting), refusal to meet your SR in the middle. We can agree to disagree on the misreps. You SR'd me before the accusation of misreps. I'm not concerned with having consistent reads that follow my early d1 reads. I'd be a fool to think i was correct about ppl's alignments first guess. Now you can work with me and point out flaws in progression of my reads, thats more than welcome actually, but to just sit and point at one slot is useless. It's justa less toxic form of what Gus is doing atm.
If im town and yuurei is town i feel comfortable not because im so great and wonderful but because we are the only ppl showing consistent effort in sorting and evaluating what we can. If i wasnt paranoid about tw's slot I'D PROBABLY LOCK TOWN YUUREI. Either way he''s doing a great job as either alignment at the moment. idk his range. If i seen this from a player i was familiar with i'd probably lock town them based off play alone.-
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like seriously oath and gus don't seem town but they just seem not town. They don't seem like scum. if that makes sense.
I really would like to lynch ceejay as gus avoided that wagon and instead voted you yuurei, he did have no problem voting osuka though. That and a few other vote changes plus ceejays play/lurk slot makes me think he flips red.-
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town is supposed to be town enough to not be lynched. Scum care more about and prioritize being universally TR'd.
learned my lesson from just assuming ppl would understand i'll give you that. You're playing for pride at this point if you're town. Some post game congratulations that you nailed scum d1 but town just wouldn't listen. I am not scum. Your time and energy have been wasted this game due to the fact you can't expand to multiple, in depth, reads with substance.
You're going to push me until one of us flip i assume? How do i handle that as town? Even if i was a cop, investigated you, knew you were town how would i go about making your presence in this game beneficial to me and the rest of town? If i was scum would i try to reason with you or just ignore the annoying voice, NK you, then throw a little wifom in there? you'd be a low info nk. It'd raise questions about whether tchill was scum. That'd probably get lost in the shuffle because of wifom potential then town would move on.
THERE IS NO POINT IN ME WORKING WITH YOU AS SCUM HERE. THERE'S ALREADY ONE SLOT TUNNELING THIS GAME. PLEASE STOP. 2 tunnelers, a handful of lurkers... what a d1. YOU MADE THE VT CLAIM, YOU REFUSE TO SORT. you're much easier to lynch atm than I am I can promise you that. Town does not benefit from that though given i can see this coming from town as much as scum and i can not adequately read you.-
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answer this.In post 899, Tchill13 wrote:oath how do you expect me to react here if im town?-
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In post 901, Tchill13 wrote:
answer this.In post 899, Tchill13 wrote:oath how do you expect me to react here if im town?-
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That's my stance on you. For real.In post 913, Oath wrote:Also lol at "You're town" to "I really hope you're scum." in 6 minutes.-
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Scum should lynch yuurei or me.In post 939, Gustavo wrote:I’m supposed to believe that after this game - viewtopic.php?p=10160423#p10160423
You are ignorant to what is and isn’t allowed in normals?
No. This is fake ignorance imo.
Besides the fact I already called you scum for believing such a ridiculous fake claim, you should know that a 2 shot can never resolve both shots in the same day.
Yes I’m hard claiming mason
No I’m not a day cop
Today town should lynch yuri or you. Hopefully they come to their senses once they realize this is all an act by you.-
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Gus if there's a freaking weak neighborizer allowed in normals I do not care to know what the other roles are as I disagree with that.
You want to call me scum for assuming someone wouldn't make illegal claims in normals? How about the guy making illegal claims?
That first illegal claim followed reads that were synonymous to mine. That was targeted at me.-
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"It's a joke bro just a joke claim" gtfo. You attack ppl for what is gus's rules that so and so would never do "blank" as town. You tunnel after that. So if you want to openly push a lynch on the two players that are actually sorting Go ahead.
The best part of this is both oath and gus could have been lynched by now but I've hard defended gus and oath. I've waffled on oath for obvious reasons but I've defended as much as I've pushed oath.
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You said you 2 shotted lalendra and yuurei.In post 951, Gustavo wrote:Idk what you’re taking about
Yuurei scum lalendra town.
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im a little irritated that before you claim i hard defend you at a time a wagon could have taken off on you and you still assume im scum when this is easily the most effort i've put into sorting d1.In post 955, Gustavo wrote:
Your mad cause you could have lynched oath or me (town mason)?In post 952, Tchill13 wrote:The best part of this is both oath and gus could have been lynched by now but I've hard defended gus and oath. I've waffled on oath for obvious reasons but I've defended as much as I've pushed oath.
This is infuriating.
Why would you be mad that you could of lynched me but now I’m basically confirmed town?-
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no im boon.In post 957, Boris wrote:
You betIn post 948, Gustavo wrote:
Are you?In post 946, Boris wrote:
he is almost certainly notIn post 943, Gustavo wrote:Also I have a sneaky suspicion that yuri is boon but can’t prove it.-
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In post 627, Tchill13 wrote:Yuurei tw and Tommy would be my guess atm.
Tacos, mumble, lalendra, gus, oath, ofrhz. I'm fine with confdenctly calling these players town.In post 682, Gustavo wrote:Guys. I’m 2 shot day cop. Yuri is scum. Lalendra is town. Lynch him.In post 686, Gustavo wrote:
There goes my town read on you. You should know that 2 shot day cop where both shots can be used on the same day wouldn’t ever pass normal review. I appreciate the vote but you should know that was a joke.In post 684, Tchill13 wrote:
Where was this action performed and why?In post 682, Gustavo wrote:Guys. I’m 2 shot day cop. Yuri is scum. Lalendra is town. Lynch him.
For the sake of transparency I'd like to say something about play from your main account. I can't prove it's your main account therefore I doubt it would progress anything. If yuurie is town here and you're VT you will be black listed.
VOTE: yuureiIn post 950, Tchill13 wrote:Gus if there's a freaking weak neighborizer allowed in normals I do not care to know what the other roles are as I disagree with that.
You want to call me scum for assuming someone wouldn't make illegal claims in normals? How about the guy making illegal claims?
That first illegal claim followed reads that were synonymous to mine. That was targeted at me.In post 953, Tchill13 wrote:
You said you 2 shotted lalendra and yuurei.In post 951, Gustavo wrote:Idk what you’re taking about
Yuurei scum lalendra town.
These were my leans at the time you made that claim.In post 954, Gustavo wrote:I’m lost as shit right now. I don’t understand the words that are coming out of your keyboard.In post 956, Gustavo wrote:Sounds like you are mad you got caught by a joke claim-
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if we lynch tommy, ceejay, osuka, ofrhz, mumble, taco we win.
if im wrong with my TR's im wrong about boris, oath.
these are my locked in TR's.
willing to policy Gus, oath over lynching anyone except ceejay.
if we absolutely refuse to lynch ceejay im pushing PL.
i hope ppl watching the game have gotten a kick out of it if gus and oath are town like i assume.-
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Ego? What the hell does this have to do with ego?
If I'm wrong here I'd assume that's just as entertaining. Arguing with scum but TR'ing them. That's gotta be fun to watch too.
I could have stopped at the 2nd "flavor". There's a reason you're push isn't picking up steam. It's obvious I'm sorting and not just pushing lynches that will go through or we could have had a lynch A LONG TIME AGO.
You and gus have lost credibility due to your thick headedness and unreasonable line of thinking. He gets a hard TR though.
I ask how I would go about helping you as town. You tell me you don't want to coach me on how to be towny.
I refuse to push your lynch early as I can see you being town here. Well that's just one of the 7 "flavors" that didn't go through.
I ask what I could do to benefit from you being town with me in this game. You declare your one vote isn't meaningful and I shouldn't be worried about it. That statement in itself means you've self declared to be actually useless to town until a tchill flip happens.
I bend over backwards to have a very detailed, complex, cluttered discussion with you and I get accused of mindfully misreping you.
So regarding you, nothing personal. Regarding your play. It's is utter horse shit if you're town. You can't KNOW I'm scum. If I was to flip town and you were still alive you'd be a likely lynch candidate because now it's proven that you spent your time pushing one town slot that's left your slot with minimal info to look back on. That time could have been spent pushing MULTIPLE people. Having PoE discussions about who's town.
You've argued that "you'd just be ignored" since they ignore you about me. That's an excuse to lazily continue to do the same thing (if you're town). There's a reason they've ignored you about me. Your push is terrible. It shows clear bias. It has tunnel tendencies. You've been awful at persuading ppl to vote me. That's half the game. Find scum, persuade the group to lynch scum. You're terrible at both because I'm town and you can't even get 3 votes on me.
It's not a cop out. I just wanted to play day 1 the right way damn it. Not this scummy BS that site meta allows. Two players have effectively ruined that opportunity for me this game and worn me down to agreeing to a policy lynch.
1 claimed VT early and tunneled me shortly after. 1 has made 2 illegal claims and painted me as scum because of my reaction towards said illegal claims.
I'm done cluttering the thread. I'll only respond to players not named gus and oath at this point. I've adequately made clear where each one of them are in the wrong and will address others on that topic but not those two. I've bent over backwards to help. Once gus understands what I'm getting at about him targeting me with his illegal claim I'm done with them.-
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I won't believe it till another person confirms it then we have a Mason flip. That's just me though.In post 978, ofrhz wrote:
hmm, do you think this is scum motivated?In post 976, Yuurei wrote: 1. I don't particularly have a strong opinion on Tchill right now, it's possible to explain what he has been doing on a town pov to be honest
2. Ceejay might be scum for real here
3. Tchill wagon right now is starting to look like a counter wagon to Ceejay, being driven by Gustavo.
or what i'm really trying to ask here is that do you not believe gus's mason claim?-
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In post 960, Tchill13 wrote:In post 627, Tchill13 wrote:Yuurei tw and Tommy would be my guess atm.
Tacos, mumble, lalendra, gus, oath, ofrhz. I'm fine with confdenctly calling these players town.In post 682, Gustavo wrote:Guys. I’m 2 shot day cop. Yuri is scum. Lalendra is town. Lynch him.In post 686, Gustavo wrote:
There goes my town read on you. You should know that 2 shot day cop where both shots can be used on the same day wouldn’t ever pass normal review. I appreciate the vote but you should know that was a joke.In post 684, Tchill13 wrote:
Where was this action performed and why?In post 682, Gustavo wrote:Guys. I’m 2 shot day cop. Yuri is scum. Lalendra is town. Lynch him.
For the sake of transparency I'd like to say something about play from your main account. I can't prove it's your main account therefore I doubt it would progress anything. If yuurie is town here and you're VT you will be black listed.
VOTE: yuureiIn post 950, Tchill13 wrote:Gus if there's a freaking weak neighborizer allowed in normals I do not care to know what the other roles are as I disagree with that.
You want to call me scum for assuming someone wouldn't make illegal claims in normals? How about the guy making illegal claims?
That first illegal claim followed reads that were synonymous to mine. That was targeted at me.In post 953, Tchill13 wrote:
You said you 2 shotted lalendra and yuurei.In post 951, Gustavo wrote:Idk what you’re taking about
Yuurei scum lalendra town.
These were my leans at the time you made that claim.In post 954, Gustavo wrote:I’m lost as shit right now. I don’t understand the words that are coming out of your keyboard.In post 956, Gustavo wrote:Sounds like you are mad you got caught by a joke claim-
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Ceejays a good lynch. Replaced in. Really did nothing to clear up his slot. No firm backed up stances. No sorting.
I refuse to find scum in the active players just to do it. I don't see scum motivation in those that are playing for the most part.
Ceejay is a good flip due to the fact some ppl hopped on osuka after leaving Tommy but not ceejay.
Yuurei if your negative reads are only from my interactions with oath and gus then I'd beg you to notice that and reevaluate. If it's more than that I'd be happy to discuss.-
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Don't blame you. If you don't replace out I'm working with you primarily moving forward. Boris seems like an ideal player to work with also.
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Trying to pocket hard or finding a little bit of comfort in the only reasonable voice in 3 active posters I'm playing with? You gotta wonder how you'd react if you were in my position. You knew you were town. For the first time ever on mafia you really don't know how to convince someone you're town. 2 ppl for that matter that are determined to SR you. Then there's another active player actually sorting. It's not pocketing at all. It's literally the fact you're the only person I can justifiably work with atm.-
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Well sorry for playing town so poorly. I'd like to blame it on things but that's just excuses.
I don't usually have good progressions early game. I usually don't worry about being consistent until d3. I work towards getting to a game solving state d3 then with flips and associations solve the game. I tried to do that without the "lynch to lynch" mentality of d1 and d2 this game.-
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osuka would you rather lynch tommy or ceejay?
of oath, yuurei, me and guerilla's slot whos the scummiest and why?
I'd personally like an investigative to clear the masons n1 thats just me though. "tchill is scum because he wants to waste an investigation" i'd rather not be tricked by a scum fake claim.-
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In post 49, Tchill13 wrote:I'm just referring to lalendra. Play here so far lines up with play in last game. Eager town that reads too much into things.In post 185, Tchill13 wrote:OK play times over.
Guerrilla and oath could easily be TvT.
Scum had had to have posted already unless the scum team is the 3 I mentioned earlier which I doubt.
I'm hoping the worst is actually town here.
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My name is tchill, you killed my father, prepare to die.In post 338, Tchill13 wrote:IF THIS WAS A SIX PLAYER GAME SURE TWO PLAYER SCUM TEAMS ARE GOOD GUESSES BUT HALF THE PLAYER LIST HASN'T EVEN PLAYED YET.
PUMP THE BRAKES.yep. i've been looking for easy lynches the whole game
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True. Thanks for the apology. Yes ik my reactions to jokes were weird. I understand the suspicion but I don't degree with the extent of it but I understand the basis.
If I'm scum here I'd have to be playing a pretty solid d1 with some MAJOR foot in mouth moments. I'd like to feel like I exercise caution a little more as scum.
Mumble plays well when he picks up activity. He lurks as scum. 80 percent of the time he lurks as town. I was pretty irritated one game when he lurked to a win simply because town let him.
Lurkers gotta be lynched. Simple as that. Specifically when it comes to this game the mod hasn't been very active, we can't find replacements and half the player list isn't playing.
I'm almost willing to create a town block of gus, oath, yuurei and me and just mow through the rest of the game.-
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Gus, lalendra, me, oath, yuurei.
I think we can agree at most there's one scum there unless you believe yuurei and I are together.
So why not just work towards getting it to this group? By the time that happens we should have AT LEAST 2 scum flips if not the whole team. If we haven't. We can look at yuurei/tchill as scum. Does anyone have any issues with what I'm proposing?-
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I highly doubt all 3 scum are in the group I just listed.
If we get down to that group without 2 scum flips the masons would be in question and yuurei/tchill would be in question.
If we get to that group with 2 scum flips I'm pretty sure I'd be a big target, gus and lalendra would be cleared. Oath, yuurei and I could be narrowed down by PoE, flip associations stuff like that.-
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If we're just gonna let oath play this way the whole game we might as well just ask the mod to force replace her.In post 1107, Oath wrote:AAAAAAND we're just gonna let TChill line up lynches? Seriously at this point if TChill is scum we might as well call it a scum win.-
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