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VOTE: DVa

Sheeping the sheep.

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Are you therefore a wolf?

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DVa is at L2 I believe.

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Thanks. Helps go read the rules.

Prob Town.

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hi

Are you feeling nostalgic?

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Damn.... that was a lot more than I was excepting to have to digest after taking some time off for the weekend...

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What about you, ProHawk? Serious vote?

No?

VOTE: tommy

Takes the time to find a ss replace out but can't be bothered to check if this is the only game she replaced out of now (it's not)

Way to take a sitequit as a scum replaceout fam, good hunting there /s

Wasn't it Alchemist who used this as a realvote? So why not question him too?

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So.... theres a Doughboy vs Ezekiel based on past history... and then Saudade vs Guerilla for a testosterone contest? Then Saudade who claimed to self-bait himself to analyze his wagon for scum? And a bit of commentary inbetween... Did I miss anything?

Curious as to why Saudade didn't include the L-1 vote from DVa in his analysis of scum... Considering it was the "scummiest" vote that I saw...?

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.... naww just been busy work and probably just sad cause other peeps get all the attention and its weird for me not to be the D1 lynch nominee... BUT I did look at like one or two games of Saudade and he was a lot more cautious as scum, so his play here doesn't strike me as being very scum-like.

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Also would like to point out that too scummy to be scum is not a real thing.

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I think that as scum, he would have lazily tunnelled me all day, and he hasn't.

Really?

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Tommy - Not a fan of his recent comment re: Saudade, sounded like a fabricated reason to get off Saudade. Could be scum.
DVa - Posts have been scummy, very probable scum - I'm voting here.
GuerillaWoo - I like his engagement, town read
Saudade - I looked back at his scum-game early on, granted it was his first scum game, but he is definitely a lot less crass than he is here. Leaning town
Flubbernugget - Need more.
LTVNGambit - Leaning town, haven't seen anything jumping out at me.
Alchemist21 - No real read here yet.... setting this in the null/sort pile
Gamma Emerald - No real read here either... setting this in the null/sort pile
Doughboy - Early town read. Still town.
EzekelRAGE - Posts feel town.

Majority of reads are from the gut, hard for me to engage stuff with all of the fighting going on in the thread.

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Someone to engage me? What are your reads?

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I think we should get a final lynch and claim setup soon.

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Before people start replacing out

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I'm also familiar with pro hawk being more aggressive than what I have seen in this game so far

Truth. I'm lost in all of the aggressiveness that already is.

Before people start replacing out

Why would people replace out? This seems like fearmongering to push my wagon

Sounds like something scum would say.... People replace out because emotions are high

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This is interesting with two competing wagons though.

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This is interesting with two competing wagons though.

You should say more to this because they both look like lynchbait cws to me

It'll be better to analyze after flips. But it's interesting because it provides a lot of information to work with from D1

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ProHawk has 1 post that's useful. Again I want more from this slot asap. The last thing we need is passengers in d2+ and both Flubber and prohawk havent posted anywhere near enough yet

What's up doc?

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VOTE: prohawk

Flashwagon?

Same could be said for you flubby

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VOTE: prohawk

Flashwagon?

After a quick iso, I’ll hammer if he gets to l-1. He’s done less sorting than sauade which I thought was impossible

What exactly do you want me to sort? Your personal vendetta from past games you've brought over?

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Who said you weren't? You've been about as active and participating about as much as I have.

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You and me both Doughboy.

Im in the middle of work but I'll get a post up hopefully tonight... Unless I get some free time at work. Scum thought they would get a quick Lynch on an easy target... Think again suckers

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Hi shit-head. Nice to meet you too.

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***Personal Rant***

I join games on this site because the majority of players here are fun and enjoyable to play with. I don't get into a lot of games because life takes a lot of my time and leaves me with little for other things that I like to do. This game has ABSOLUTELY proved this wrong. The people in this playerlist are uninviting, people who resort insults rather than invistigate, people who could care less to have a little light-hearted fun and play a GAME. This probably doesn't apply to all of you but to the majority it does unfortunately. And it sucks, and it makes it so you don't have motivation to sift through the drudgery in order to play the game and make posts. Hell look at all of the replacements that have already replaced out.

***Personal Rant***

With that said, I make it a point to not replace out of games that I have committed to unless there is a reason I cannot play which this is not. This is people not liking my time commitment to scour the thread making posts which unfortunately the meta here is to equate this as "town". It is also the reason why we are jumping down a quick-lynch rabbit hole with less than three days remaining to secure a lynch, which should have been started a few real days ago.

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Who said you weren't? You've been about as active and participating about as much as I have.

The difference is he nearly site flaked and you didn’t. You are still voting your rvs vote which somehow became serious because his “posts have been scummy”.

What kind of reason is that anyway?

WTF is a site-flake?

My vote was based on the fact that DVa was lurking, which they said was because they didn't have time to play. The replace-out gives that a lot of weight.

VOTE: ProHawk

My entire case on him is that he lurks.

This is piss-poor considering DVa never said they didn't have time to play. Would me replacing out change your mind on my slot?

I recall ProHaek lurked our of his last scumgame I was present for

What scum-game were you present for?

2. I want you to sort players in the game. I want you to scum hunt and be useful. Right now you look like lurking scum hoping to fly under the radar. You definitely don’t look like town who wants to find scum and win. If you are town, do something to change that please.

Fair enough. I'm not someone who telegraphs a lot, so if you are wondering, just ask. Like...

and the fact that i read everything else by him and nothing pinged me as too odd

His lack of scum hunting wasn’t odd? His lack of actual reasons for scum reading dva wasn’t either?

Yeah you are scum.

VOTE: saudade

Just because I hadn't made a "case" or a post about them doesn't mean that I don't have actual reasons. And yeah Saudade hit the nail on the head here with this post.

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In post 655, ProHawk wrote:
In post 622, wilky wrote:
ProHawk has 1 post that's useful. Again I want more from this slot asap. The last thing we need is passengers in d2+ and both Flubber and prohawk havent posted anywhere near enough yet


What's up doc?


Can we get actual content instead of this bullshit thankyou.

Fuck you. No like actually FUCK you. Who the hell do you think you are? I made the doc post in reference to your avatar. It was a reach out to start a fucking conversation. Get that stick out of your ass.

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prohawk's ISO: the only relatively towny thing he did was apparently check for saudade's meta and ended up townreading him. other posts are descriptive and he seems pretty disengaged. I'm fine with the lynch. I'm leaning more scum on hawk than dva and I don't like the way hawk pushed dva as probably scum without explaining his lean to any detail.

Why? What about DVa's posts compared to mine are more scummy? Did anyone give a shit about my vote or my reads until the end of the freaking day? NO.

P-EDIT: No, to make pre-flip associations will lead you down the wrong road most often that not. I want to examine wagons and trains after people alignments are known. I'm not sure where you came up with the assumption that I want to lynch people to examine their behavior after a flip? I don't think you understood what I meant there? IE: Flubbernugget is using the two wagons as two town-wagons to scum-hunt BEFORE he actually KNOWS that they are both town wagons, which will provide false results should one of the wagons actually be SCUM.

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I was in Scumteam UnPick for a time. I ended up replacing out and getting replaced by Ms Colombo

Go actually read that game and tell me what you find.

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In post 655, ProHawk wrote:
In post 622, wilky wrote:
ProHawk has 1 post that's useful. Again I want more from this slot asap. The last thing we need is passengers in d2+ and both Flubber and prohawk havent posted anywhere near enough yet


What's up doc?


Can we get actual content instead of this bullshit thankyou.

Fuck you. No like actually FUCK you. Who the hell do you think you are? I made the doc post in reference to your avatar. It was a reach out to start a fucking conversation. Get that stick out of your ass.

This response doesn’t fit what the post you just made 898
I just found it odd looking at the two posts is all.

If you play with ass-holes, gotta be one to fit in....

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This response doesn’t fit what the post you just made 898
I just found it odd looking at the two posts is all.

Like... I'm just curious. Do you like to fan-fires for the hell of it? Or do you actually have a game-relevant point you are trying to make but don't want to actually come out and say it?

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Also I think ProHawk forgot the game existed lol

.... naww just been busy work and probably just sad cause other peeps get all the attention and its weird for me not to be the D1 lynch nominee... BUT I did look at like one or two games of Saudade and he was a lot more cautious as scum, so his play here doesn't strike me as being very scum-like.

and this is how scum is currently playing on mafiascum

it's not even fun to play here anymore

Aren't you gonna feel like an idiot? I think I'll save this for post-game.

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Yo Toranga, are you scared of the bunny boy or what? Cause your nose is browwwwwwn.

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Like seriously though, your catchup was literally DVa... "Posts are so dope yo! Town all the way".
ProHawk "Look at this scummy shit."
Dva Town
ProHawk Scum
DVa more Town
ProHawk More Scum.

And some iterations in between, like you are using Dva as a sounding board to strengthen your position that I am scum and using it as a back-drop for which to call people scum. Which is dumb because DVa's posts WERE scummy.

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Why? He accused you of actively lurking and then you came in and started contributing. He's not wrong just cuz you changed your behavior after he accused you of something.

Like going through your ISO I was legit surprised how sparse your presence was and how I never noticed.

Because someone actually gave me a reason to come into the thread and make a post. I don't remember who said it but literally if I was scum I would INTENTIONALLY not post after someone calls me into the thread. Maybe wait for a prod or some shit to back up some dumb reason why I wasn't posting.

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This response doesn’t fit what the post you just made 898
I just found it odd looking at the two posts is all.

Like... I'm just curious. Do you like to fan-fires for the hell of it? Or do you actually have a game-relevant point you are trying to make but don't want to actually come out and say it?

You complained about the toxicity in the game and then turn around and start doing it yourself. With the way you are continuing to go about things, seems you just faked concern with the post on 898.

This is a bit of a stretch. What do you expect me to do?

Guys, guys guys please it hurts my feelings. Just stop stop stop. I'm gonna replace out guyz!!!

But by all means if you think I'm fake vote me.

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I was in Scumteam UnPick for a time. I ended up replacing out and getting replaced by Ms Colombo

Go actually read that game and tell me what you find.

Already did that buddy
I’m gonna go see whether you’ve reached the post where that happened

God forbit I missed a post.

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So I was wrong saying that ProHawk was lurking in the other game he was in with me in the past
But I do think his posting was pretty evidently wolfy that game so I’ll probably ISO dive him here and compare

You mean this post? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ISO DRIVE ME AND THERE WHAT DID YOU FIND?!?!?!?!?!?

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Why? He accused you of actively lurking and then you came in and started contributing. He's not wrong just cuz you changed your behavior after he accused you of something.

Like going through your ISO I was legit surprised how sparse your presence was and how I never noticed.

Because someone actually gave me a reason to come into the thread and make a post. I don't remember who said it but literally if I was scum I would INTENTIONALLY not post after someone calls me into the thread. Maybe wait for a prod or some shit to back up some dumb reason why I wasn't posting.

I said it but you using it makes it pretty damn WIFOM-y. Plus calling him out for having egg on his face cuz

you

changed your behavior is pushing it. I'm not buying this anger either.

Can you give us a readlist please.

Sure. It actually hasn't changed much since the beginning except moving Flubber down a bit, especially if one of the two competing wagons at the time he flash-wagoned are scum.

Scum are likely in <Tommy, Wilky, Flubber- this could just be conf-bias?>

Toranga sits firmly in the middle with probably Ezekel and Gamma.

Leaning town on Guerilla, doesn't feel like a scum-wagon here.

Town sits with Saudade, Doughboy.... having a hard time sorting town with blood-eyes. Maybe Alchemist town?

I feel like wilky has definitely improved the outlook of the slot, however the color of the slot doesn't change with a new player. I'm actually good moving my vote.

VOTE: Tommy

I think his votes and vote changes have been very opportunistic.

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I don't get why Gorilla is up for lynch?

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Can you explain what you mean by confirmation bias there?

In this particular context it's that I'm town and scum is jumping on my lynch which was originally pushed by Flubber

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The hesitation to Lynch me is intriguing, I'm pretty sure everyone and their dog has called me scum. Incorrectly for what it's worth.

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....probably waiting for the deadline excuse

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Did toranga throw a vote down on me?

P-edit stop being a pussy and vote me then. Damn

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stop being a pussy and vote me then

Uh huh.

Got an associative tell for you all: I suggest that Toranaga's behaviour strengthens the case on ProHawk.

Toranaga posted a lot of stuff about how ProHawk is scum. Then ProHawk made a major swerve in approach. Then Toranaga did the same. My theory is:

1) Toranaga arrives and sees that ProHawk's play has been scummy.
2) Toranaga tells ProHawk to change his approach and warns him that he (Toranaga) will need to distance himself.
3) Toranaga proceeds to trash ProHawk's play in the game thread.
4) ProHawk makes an abrupt and unconvincing change in tone, which attracts votes and makes him the leading wagon. Toranaga hasn't anticipated this, and now has a difficult choice.
5) Toranaga elects not to bus his partner, choosing the unpalatable option of jumping on a wagon that he'd hitherto set up as a null read.

Or maybe he's actually good at this game?

I already covered this but associative tells come after you have solid evidence, before you're just digging a deeper hole, but then again it's probably what you're intending to do...

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VOTE: ProHawk
I ISOd him and I think he’s rather defensive

What does that even mean?

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Anyone when they are attacked is defensive. So again, what does that even mean? But I appreciate you Captain Obvious. Your brilliance is quite stunning.

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Questioning? ROFL. People are not questioning me.

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A question is not an attack, and yes the natural response to an attack is fight or flight.

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you seem done with this game since it started prohawk.

An attack on my effort in this game, which granted hasn't been top-notch, but also hasn't been nothing either. - No scum calling here.

Tommy - Not a fan of his recent comment re: Saudade, sounded like a fabricated reason to get off Saudade. Could be scum.
DVa - Posts have been scummy, very probable scum - I'm voting here.
GuerillaWoo - I like his engagement, town read
Saudade - I looked back at his scum-game early on, granted it was his first scum game, but he is definitely a lot less crass than he is here. Leaning town
Flubbernugget - Need more.
LTVNGambit - Leaning town, haven't seen anything jumping out at me.
Alchemist21 - No real read here yet.... setting this in the null/sort pile
Gamma Emerald - No real read here either... setting this in the null/sort pile
Doughboy - Early town read. Still town.
EzekelRAGE - Posts feel town.

Majority of reads are from the gut, hard for me to engage stuff with all of the fighting going on in the thread.

this is always the lynch

look at the scumreadslist.txt this guy just made

come on now

An attack on my reads which are being discredited as false.

Also I think ProHawk forgot the game existed lol

.... naww just been busy work and probably just sad cause other peeps get all the attention and its weird for me not to be the D1 lynch nominee... BUT I did look at like one or two games of Saudade and he was a lot more cautious as scum, so his play here doesn't strike me as being very scum-like.

and this is how scum is currently playing on mafiascum

it's not even fun to play here anymore

An attack again on my effort.

This is just one person. Would you like me to continue Doughboy?

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I can handle people calling me scum, it's part of the game. What I dislike is people being assholes.

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And let me clarify, my previous examples are not examples of people being assholey, but of examples of attacks that are not just "you are scum".

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An attack on my effort in this game, which granted hasn't been top-notch, but also hasn't been nothing either. - No scum calling here.

A pretty factual statement about your effort. You’ve done nothing this game. You can protest all you want but not a lot of people are disagreeing.

An attack on my reads which are being discredited as false.

As far as reads lists goes, this is a very weak attempt. I made a point earlier about how you could have done a better job. “So and so made a bunch of scummy posts so he’s probably scum” paraphrasing of course. A real reads list has some substance behind it. At least link 3/4 really scummy posts and explain why you think they are scummy.

An attack again on my effort.

Factual statement about your effort. You have done jack fucking squat all game. Active lurking and now you’ve been caught doing it, you claim people are attacking you which is bullshit.

People giving their opinions of your play this game, is not and never will be an attack

People have to give reasons why they think you are scum, or could be scum. Those things you just quoted were those reasons.

Feel free to do the same for my posts, I’ll be more than happy to school you some more.

idgaf anymore. Kill me.

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I honestly have never felt the need to self-hammer as town as much as I do right now.

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I can handle people calling me scum, it's part of the game. What I dislike is people being assholes.

Nobody has been an asshole to you yet. I can start if you’d like.

Yeah, because that wasn't being an asshole anyway.

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Have fun with the game. I'll be sure and make sure I don't sign up with a game with you all in it.

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Not scum by the way. Cheers.

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That was the hammer Mr. Toranaga

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You're lucky cause I'm vanilla.

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Well, not exactly sure it's lucky for you but yeah.

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I didn't fucking lurk you little shit

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This site used to have quality players

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You like to argue don't you?

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And it's pretty clear I'm not scum so you should prob figure out some other way to track them down... Unless you are scum, in which case you made out swimmingly

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Who was going to give me that dictionary? Pretty sure Doughboy just defined asshole for me right there...

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Prob 1 scum on my wagon, lynch was too easy for scum to need to throw both eggs into 1 basket. my lynch also had too much resistance which also points to reluctant scum

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People have lives bro. Sue me.

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I appreciate that.

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Gamma didn't actually go back and look at my scum game, or at least brushed it off after it didn't fit their hypothesis instead of using it to rethink their position. My play between this game and that game is STARKLY different and didn't even process those differences except to say that it wasnt what they thought.

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ProHawk (6) - Flubbernugget, Tommy, wilky, GuerillaWoo, Gamma Emerald, Toranga.

Gammas vote honestly fits with the theory that scum let town roll with the lynch which would explain why it took so long to run me up and without a request for a claim. Maybe Tommy as a runner up for red on my wagon.

If there are two red there, it's btwn Wilky and Toranga.

P-edit - just hunting off my wagon. So if you did then why didn't you readjust your read if your read was based on a defensive playstyle?

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And yes you explained why my posts there looked scum (obv I was scum) but not how they compared.

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I’m down for a gamma lynch at some point but I think rage will be confirmed scum tomorrow.

Yeah, Rage for scum off my wagon absolutely.

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Well I'm off, that's it for my unadulterated analysis of my wagon, hopefully my flip will lead to the Swift and ultimate decline of the scumbodies.

I apologise for most of my emotional outbursts. GL town.