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[GuerillaWoo]

Hey y'all i'm a day late soz, good to be back playing mafia Don't see any familiar names tho if I played with u before and don't recognize you immediately i'm sorry haha.

Aight game stuff. Skimmed through and hopefully things pick up.

Alchemist seems a little controlling but I think it's unavoidable with inactivity. I've never played with Scioness and don't usually care about meta, so eh. Possible but I'd rather vote based on player behavior and not their proxy that never posted.

Saudade is... strange. VOTE: Saudade 2irony4me. Hasn't really chimed in even when prompted, quadruple posting, essentially gave a non-answer with that short story collection. Can't tell if scummy or just annoying. Guess we'll find out what the price is for voting for him second?

Leaning town on Doughboy.

Nothing else pops out at me this early.

Ok. Mine was serious though. I honestly think it's likely that Scioness saw a red role PM and replaced out in the pre-game, and I feel like the others who also voted that slot feel the same way as I do.

por que roll of the eyes?

[GuerillaWoo]

Wrong
I don’t think Saudade’s current actions are scummy

Ah well I guess I'll change my vote then lol

[GuerillaWoo]

"If you guys are serious then I think it's scummy but if not I don't think it's scummy I'm town btw"

[GuerillaWoo]

"If you guys are serious then I think it's scummy but if not I don't think it's scummy I'm town btw"

2 diff situations are they not?

It reads like you're asking for consensus or permission from us. Why not just vote for who you think is scummy? As opposed to trying to co-opt our approval.

por que roll of the eyes?

It is a really bad reason to scumnread somebody. I scum read somebody who was getting some pressure, logged in multiple times but didn’t post and I thought he was afraid he didn’t know how to respond. He flipped town.

I don't disagree tbh, you can't exactly ask a replacement to defend someone else's pre-game meta, but I don't see it as bad that we get some discussion based off of it rolling.

[GuerillaWoo]

I'm not a fan of how he said "I read it as scummy". Like, clearly the origin of his 'suspicion' isn't a read, it's Alchemist's meta guess.

Feels like a good place to nest my vote rn VOTE: Ezekiel but I still wanna hear something serious from Saudade.

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't think prior grudges are very conducive to scumhunting tbh, although I think meta can be a partial reason to vote for someone I don't like thinking of it as the main course? But it's good that you brought up his voting confidence, it is definitely of interest here.

I'm not a fan of how he said "I read it as scummy". Like, clearly the origin of his 'suspicion' isn't a read, it's Alchemist's meta guess.

Feels like a good place to nest my vote rn VOTE: Ezekiel but I still wanna hear something serious from Saudade.

Well, can’t do anything about that, but it won’t be the last time you see that phrase or something similar to it from me.

Seriousness of the guess - my bad on missing/forgetting that part. Was reading thread earlier, was about to make post, got busy but tha part about lynching based on such a weak angle stuck out to me. When I got a little bit of free time again I made that post instead of going back and rereading that part. Only thing that changes is I view them as scummy for attempting it.

My issue isn't that you didn't read that he was serious, it's that you asked. My issue isn't the statement "I read him as scummy" in a vacuum, it's a pretty innocuous statement, it's the context you presented it in where it wasn't a read on a player, and it clearly wasn't one you reached on your own.

The first is an attempt to get permission from town to vote for someone. The second is a misrepresentation. Together, they read like you're trying to buddy up to the thread, both by piggybacking off someone else's early wagons and then by presenting yourself as scumhunting.

So, one last time, what are

your

reads? Why is Doughboy your vote and not Scioness/Dva? Why did you immediately trust that Alchemist is town and not possibly scum gambiting for an early lynch?

Why is it feeling more and more like you're not going through a townie process?

Those are reasonable asks at this point

[GuerillaWoo]

OHH shit lol my fault, totally misread that. I thought you were asking if people were serious about the Scioness thing so you could vote for that slot. Ye gonna have to reread and recontextualize some stuff.

[GuerillaWoo]

Actually having reread the thread, and despite honestly having zero issues with a Saudade lynch on D1, this is where my vote belongs

VOTE: LTVNGambit

[GuerillaWoo]

EzekelRAGE can be town for now.

VOTE: Saudade

Content please.

Lol
You don’t get a guy like Saudade to do what you want by brute forcing him
You appease him

Yeah, again, zero issues with lynching someone that's contributing nothing and refuses to help outta spite.

[GuerillaWoo]

GuerillaWoo, why LTVNGambit?

Gamma Emerald, do you think Saudade's posts are coming from town?

Came in and voted Saudade then left. Think that was his only game related post. There's another user who hasn't come in at all afaik but I'm guessing the kick will catch him instead. I'd rather get people contributing rn tbh

Good vote though, you win games on this website often?

Yeah, again, not a single issue if y'all wanna lynch this guy. Don't care if he's scum or not. If he's scum he's just gonna linger in the background doing this shit, and if he's town he's just gonna linger in the background doing this shit. Lame

[GuerillaWoo]

If I were to vote every person I didn't like I'd probably never win at all
at least not as town

I love me a D1 policy lynch tbh. Best and probably only time for it.

[GuerillaWoo]

Thank you for admitting that you vote me due to policy and not because you scum.
Thus, you're not scumhunting but doing something else entirely

Yeah, I'm the one not scumhunting lol. The one who's been here questioning everyone? That's the one not contributing. The guy in the back just insulting people from a distance? Scumhunting. Super winner of games. The best at helping.

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol ok

VOTE: Saudade idc, this entire dynamic isn't one I wanna be around at all.

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol ok

VOTE: Saudade idc, this entire dynamic isn't one I wanna be around at all.

no one's forcing you to focus on just me, plenty of players to scumhunt around.

Idk what this has to do with anything. You're literally just here insulting people. I don't need to be forced into voting for lynching that. Grow up and contribute something.

[GuerillaWoo]

I think Gamma has grown to like me
funny enough his reaction to me in our first game was much like Guerilla's

Gonna tell you right now this isn't gonna happen. Contribute something.

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't need 30 pages to get an idea of your character. Contribute something.

[GuerillaWoo]

Are you gonna do something helpful and not antagonistic anytime soon

When I first voted for you I legit just wanted to gauge your reaction, thinking it's TvT cuz of your response to Alchemist about the Scioness slot. Now I'm doubtful of that and frankly don't care. You've been dodgy on way too many questions and prods.

Contribute something

[GuerillaWoo]

I'm a little null on doughboy. He's sheeping me, which is great but also worrying

[GuerillaWoo]

I'm not all that sure what's going on in this argument. Ezekel is the issue just that he said you were more confident in your voting in a previous game?

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah I went through DB's ISO literally all he said is Zeke was confident in a previous game.

[GuerillaWoo]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

[GuerillaWoo]

Let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding, I can see this going on for pages.

Still need to hear from LTVN, ProHawk (hasn't been in for a bit), Dva, and Flubbernugget. If scum's in there we could argue our heads off while they fly under. Gonna take a moment to go through the thread and see if i missed someone flying under the radar.

Also

@mod:

can we get an idea of who's been prodded thus far? I'm assuming Flubber must be nearing one.

[GuerillaWoo]

Um wat.

[GuerillaWoo]

Is it just me or are there too many inactives coming in hopping a wagon then heading out.

Saudade just so you know, you 100% deserve to be at L-1. But UNVOTE: cuz that was outta left field and it's early

[GuerillaWoo]

This makes it seem as if you want to start a wagon, and jump on at the end due to the unvoting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuerillaWoo
Not caring whether somebody is town doesn't make sense to me, sure we have a town majority, but if we lose 2 town, day 1 and night 1, then it becomes more difficult.

This is... What. Who unvoted other than me? It's my wagon, I literally started it. I hopped off because L-1 at page 7 is cutting it close and I'm trying to prevent an early lynch.

How in the blissful divine swan fuck is that "jumping on at the end due to unvoting."

[GuerillaWoo]

tfw you're a thought leader but someone accuses you of following the herd you're shepherding

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah that's a good wagon. Ditto LTVN or even Doughboy. Although I think DB's being a little confident if he's scum, but I dunno I also feel like Alchemist could easily be faking his good will. Same with Saudade, although coming in to push someone without engaging me and deferring people off my wagon makes me think he's more anti-town than scum looking for an easy lynch.

I like Tommy's vibe though, don't think our focus should go there.

[GuerillaWoo]

Tfw we're rekindling something but the thread dies anyway

[GuerillaWoo]

lmao, you understand there are 11 players right? Settle down captain happy

[GuerillaWoo]

y'all ever hear of a read list

[GuerillaWoo]

Nyet

y'all ever hear of a read list

Where’s the townreads you wingnut

Saudade and Tommy were what

[GuerillaWoo]

Hahaha nvm just lynch me good lord

[GuerillaWoo]

how are you feeling Gorilla

tfw you're a thought leader but someone accuses you of following the herd you're shepherding

[GuerillaWoo]

is this slip gonna be faked twice tho

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't mind your wagon on Tommy for now but what do you think about Dva and their vote on you? Also LTVN: bad town or bad scum?

[GuerillaWoo]

Get of my nuts brah, I just wanna hear him explain it


And yeah I don't think our focus should go to Tommy but I can't actually stop him

[GuerillaWoo]

Off* obvsly

[GuerillaWoo]

But they came in with like two random votes after afking. Sometimes simple is just straightforward


Ok nvm for now, tell me the tale of LVTN yung traveler

[GuerillaWoo]

o k

You're defs the scummiest fish in my lynchpool... Or some other analogy that makes sense

If you tell us who ur partner is I'll send u baked goods before the rope

[GuerillaWoo]

Ugh actually I'll be nice. Lemme get on my PC

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't mind your wagon on Tommy for now but what do you think about Dva and their vote on you? Also LTVN: bad town or bad scum?

What have I done in your eyes which makes me out to be bad town or bad scum? This is just posting for the sake of looking like you are inputting. Why don't you do what you asked Saudade. Try to do something helpful rather than antagonistic.

How about having bad reads for one. Not just in terms of content, but you don't seem to have any townie paranoia at all. All I'm getting from you is this sense that you're looking for an excuse to vote and pretend you're aggressive by acting like i guess the nice way of putting it is the protagonist of a greek tragedy

You also only started actively posting directly after being called out for coming in, voting, then leaving with like your first post multiple pages in. If you go back and read my post where I first pointed this out, you got super defensive about "lurking" when I legit never brought that up. Like I never actually said you were lurking. At all. Which is hilarious, you literally gave yourself up as a lurker. You're playing reactively to people's reads of you.

Now you've accused two people of not posting content which is p funny.

It isn't informed scum content, and it isn't a scumslip. First of all there is a difference between declaration and an assumption. He didn't say with certainty that they are town v town. "Feels like" is an assumption.

This sentence right here. Good semantic analysis there bud.

You defended Tommy pretty strongly and I'm assuming that's why Saudade put you two in his lynchpool. Shame, woulda liked to hear it from him tbh.

Hey here's a bad read

Feels like town v town to me.

informed scum content, scumslip =]


VOTE: Tommy

if the whole doughnut ezkielrage and the angry guy tunnelling guy could unvote because you guys are playing into a bad position

Okay, let's say hypothetically you are right about it. What do you think about this:

Feels like town v town to me.

I feel the same.

Ezekel ISO in the previous game shows that he does withhold his vote.

Doughboy has been doing some ballsy stuff this game if he’s scum, and the last game shows a big back and forth between him and Ezekel and that old interaction has probably painted Doughboy’s memory of him especially considering Doughboy had never mentioned Ezekel in that game until shit went down.

Or are you just not going to bother to respond because you cbb to read walls of quotes?

Ezki's probably town as well but I cbb to read his walls

Pretty lazy for a "town" don't you think?

Like someone saying they don't wanna read three walls of text that say the same thing is scummy now. Good thing you put town in quote marks otherwise, phew.

To be fair, this is as close as you get to a proactive read, and you're just doing it in defense of another user.

This makes it seem as if you want to start a wagon, and jump on at the end due to the unvoting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuerillaWoo
Not caring whether somebody is town doesn't make sense to me, sure we have a town majority, but if we lose 2 town, day 1 and night 1, then it becomes more difficult.

This is... What. Who unvoted other than me? It's my wagon, I literally started it. I hopped off because L-1 at page 7 is cutting it close and I'm trying to prevent an early lynch.

How in the blissful divine swan fuck is that "jumping on at the end due to unvoting."

This is such an obvious lie. You. Trying to prevent an early lynch? In what world? You are the one who is pushing most for an early lynch along with Saudade

Calling someone a liar then lying you lyish lie man pants on liar

It's actually pretty weird that I'm having to defend unvoting someone under the accusation that I didn't in fact unvote, I actually voted. This is a bad read. Actually it's the reason I'm having some doubts about you being scum. You rarely see scum make bad pushes like this. The possibility that you're bad town exists.

There's also your weird unspoken relationship with Tommy (hubba hubba). So, I think I misspoke, you're not bad scum, pal. Cuz you've essentially forced us all to look at Tommy suspiciously, but I honestly think it's very possible you're setting him up.

If you're not setting him up, yeah, bad scum. But who am I to judge, I'm the king of bad plays lol

Anyhoo, that's the gist of it. I'll be doing a quick audience q&a after a five minute break, thank you all, remember to like follow & subscribe

[GuerillaWoo]

You do need to know that you caught me in a lie, sorta. I'm not very good at baking and you definitely never wanna eat that garbage ever.

[GuerillaWoo]

what's all this barking you're doing

by the gods am I really that good
is it Tommy and Gambit

yanno i was wrong, i am gonna get along with u fine

[GuerillaWoo]

Wall is big.

weren't you throwing accusations of laziness all game

as to the rest of your post: h o l y s h i t

@Guerilla. I never said I was lurking.

I never said you said you were lurking, I said you were defensive about me accusing you of lurking when I never did.

This is about to get funny y'all, brace yourselves:

I said there was an assumption from you that I have been lurking.

Yeah haha, that's the entire point. I said, "LTVN came in voted then left" and you went "SO YOU ASSUME I LURK EH? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?"

After all: Linger in the background is aynonymous to lurking. Unless if you didn't actually say that and I'm high

pahahaha why would you say this lie when you know you're gonna get caught. In case any of you are wondering, here's the post here's referring to:

GuerillaWoo, why LTVNGambit?

Gamma Emerald, do you think Saudade's posts are coming from town?

Came in and voted Saudade then left. Think that was his only game related post. There's another user who hasn't come in at all afaik but I'm guessing the kick will catch him instead. I'd rather get people contributing rn tbh

Good vote though, you win games on this website often?

Yeah, again, not a single issue if y'all wanna lynch this guy. Don't care if he's scum or not. If he's scum he's just gonna linger in the background doing this shit, and if he's town he's just gonna linger in the background doing this shit. Lame

I do appreciate the assumption that I've been lurking, rather than if I've been doing something else or not, but whatever, you do you.

absolutely didn't say he was "lingering in the background". Dude's just tryna build deniability rn.

i'm about to officially baptize this baby
VOTE: LTVNGambit

[GuerillaWoo]

@Guerilla no.2
Sure I defended Tommy. Was it a strong defence? Of course not. I didn't attempt to make people believe he is town or that he isn't scum. It was also done to point out that Saudade didn't have any substance. Also if we are talking about me and Tommy being scum partners. Okay. Evidence for that instead of a hypothetical accusal would be nice.

wtf evidence do you want dna swabs of microscopic jacket fibers

also I didn't say you're Tommy's scum partner, I'm actually not at all sure who your partner is. It's someone in Dva, DB, ProHawk, the dude that's gonna get modkilled, or, yes, maybe Tommy. Doesn't matter, this is good PoE foundation for essentially the first few pages of D1

and yes you did defend him with much gusto, would you like me to link these bud cuz remember it's all in ur ISO

[GuerillaWoo]

7th line and 8th line from the bottom. He definitely didn't say "hes just gonna linger in the background" my bad.

this isn't the gotcha you think it is. i clearly didn't say it to you. that's the point. is this your entire playstyle? saying a lie, accusing others of lying, then when you're called out you play the VI card

[GuerillaWoo]

If you call Gorilla bussing me you've got to have peanuts for a brain

there's no way in hell he faked those negative emotions
I trolled the living daylights out of him yesterday

um excuse me

[GuerillaWoo]

fair


also on LTVN, i've often avoided good lynches that would've won us the game cuz I fell into a cycle of VI Town/Obv!Scum WIFOM. i have learned my lesson

[GuerillaWoo]

What do you find Town about 285? I think LTVN made a mistake that was an easy push for Guerilla. That post isn’t a beacon of Towniness to me and it certainly doesn’t outweigh the case on him.

Lmao

Honestly I think this is too desperate of Alchemist to be scummy, he doesn't seem like the kinda scum player who'd blow his wad over someone not agreeing 100% with him

[GuerillaWoo]

Also VOTE: Tommy

>:)

[GuerillaWoo]

Nah I just felt like your post on the last page wasn't enough. Still don't want you lynched tbh.

Actually I think our scum is LTVN and someone on Saudade's wagon. Trying to find a way to verbalize why but I really can't, I just don't understand the reasons why people are still voting for him and they just feel made up. Actually Tommy's the only one on his wagon whose read I buy.

Dva came in with... Just about the least townie appearance. Just hopped in and left and it's like no one called it out.
Doughboy is still making up excuses to vote for him
Also still funny that Alchemist referred to what LTVN did as one mistake. That's just dumb jesus. He purposely misrepresented the truth over several post to build wagons against only two players, trying to co-opt "town's" sentiments into his argument with, and I paraphrase, "we all think you're scum". However I still don't think alchemist would be so dumb as scum as to vote with his buddy on the same wagon. It's WIFOM but it's also what's giving me pause about him being his scum buddy.

So yeah, LTVN and either Dva or Doughboy. Mayyybe Alch but it's unlikely.

That's all I have for now, gonna play BF1 now

[GuerillaWoo]

Also we should probably wait for Flubber's replacement to show up and catch up. Mid-game replacements are scary tbh, they're always a weak source of reads for me.

[GuerillaWoo]

I'm on mobile and multitasking, don't worry brah I won't let ya get quick hammered.

If you just wanna know who I'm voting for in spirit it's LTVN

[GuerillaWoo]

Ok so it feels like the thread died cuz we're all on different wagons. What would y'all like to do?

[GuerillaWoo]

Saudade is scumhunting tho. Dude let me wagon him as a reaction test for the thread. I'm not a fan of how he dismissed Tommy's post there, and like I said there are other more opportunistic players on that wagon including, according to Alchemist, myself. So I'm just waiting to see more from him and what his process is rn.

I think you're confusing his initial flippancy with now making short posts. I certainly see why he thinks Tommy's post isn't convincing.

GuerillaWoo: what happened, man? You were town-reading me 24 hours ago and now you're voting me? Is it because I'm in a 'weird unspoken relationship' or are you sheeping Saudade?

I think it’s pretty clear that this was Guerilla’s cheeky reaponse to me saying Saudade was Town partly due to him not voting for the counterwagon to him. So Guerilla just plopped a vote on the same wagon as Saudade as a middle finger to me. Don’t buy into his tactics. Vote Guerilla.

Haha what. I'm not trying to send you a "middle finger code" bud. The reason I put the face in is cuz every time I've swapped votes this game about seven of you crawled into my asshole and set up camp there.

Like you realize you and gamma pushed me for writing a read list, right? Whatever floats your boat there

[GuerillaWoo]

I reread your post and lol you've lost the plot homie

[GuerillaWoo]

Get him!

[GuerillaWoo]

Anyway VOTE: LTVN for VC

[GuerillaWoo]

Can someone just read Gambit's ISO please I feel like I'm going crazy. How are we not wagoning the guy who lied multiple times? Like I'm not OMGUSing him at all, dude straight up went afk for a day when he was caught lying and it's like no one here's noticed.

[GuerillaWoo]

Also I think ProHawk forgot the game existed lol

[GuerillaWoo]

Whoa can I make people appear by saying their name in this thread


Kehlani

[GuerillaWoo]

>:(

[GuerillaWoo]

Also would like to point out that too scummy to be scum is not a real thing.

Yeah lol I've been saying this for hours, simple is just simple. Straightforward is just straightforward.

Can someone just read Gambit's ISO please I feel like I'm going crazy. How are we not wagoning the guy who lied multiple times? Like I'm not OMGUSing him at all, dude straight up went afk for a day when he was caught lying and it's like no one here's noticed.

I did
im not feeling it mate seems like hes trying to me
quite invested too
a bit of emotion here and there
dont think he flipped red so far

His emotionality came outta nowhere, it wasn't gradual or responsive. Like the dude literally tried to pass off me unvoting as me voting. He tried to use my words to another user as evidence that I'd said them to him. He's played almost entirely reactively.

If he "made a mistake" why's he still on my wagon? Why hasn't his read changed? He's sticking by these mistakes. Normally what would that tell you, when a player's so adamant to get a lynch they lie, disappear when confronted, then reappear having not even addressed them as errors and in fact avoided discussing the wagon at all?

Don't just read his arguments, verify whether they're true or not.

[GuerillaWoo]

Lmao bae is here

[GuerillaWoo]

A great man once said, "Simple is just simple. Straightforward is just straightforward."

[GuerillaWoo]

lol jfc it's vote count, literally the acronym the mod posts every time he tallies

Also I've literally posted more joke posts than Saudade. Like he even posted that pic in response to my joke. Why does he get "reconsidered" and not me? Why am I your town read? Ignore his Mila Kunis joke, what made you scum read him and then almost change your mind?

[GuerillaWoo]

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This post is why I even have an internet connection

[GuerillaWoo]

Where'd he do it twice?

[GuerillaWoo]

I was talking about Saudade's anti-town play. Holy fucking shit.

[GuerillaWoo]

Omg fuck this

[GuerillaWoo]

If this game ends and you're not scum, you need to reevaluate some things in life.

[GuerillaWoo]

No, seriously, no one is this dense. No one. Lynch this guy for the love of christ

[GuerillaWoo]

I literally couldn't restate my argument in a way that wouldn't result in an aneurysm for me.

[GuerillaWoo]

I'm just mulling over this exchange rn. I honestly don't know if he's lying or not here. Like I think he genuinely doesn't understand that it wasn't directed at him, but I dunno, he could just be saving face. Like he knew he was lying earlier and now he's trying to play up the VI card? Does that make sense?

I dunno. UNVOTE: for now. Like if he were scum, what would the point be in in blatantly drawing attention to himself with these big VI gestures? If I were to assume he were scum this would be a very public and risky gambit play.

Although it's not like I haven't seen bigger gambits, I've used the VI routine myself, and AS TOWN.

Legit don't know what to think here. Is he really not seeing it? How? Is anyone else here reading that post up there the way he is?

[GuerillaWoo]

Guerilla, I think he's really not seeing it.

Saudade, what does that mean?

You don't think it's possible he's faking the blindness?

[GuerillaWoo]

Guerilla, I think he's really not seeing it.

Saudade, what does that mean?

If Guerilla won't specify it, and if you can see it, you can say it right Tommy. Who was Guerilla referring to in post 99, when he referred to lingering in the background.

Saudade you wanna tell him who I was referring to

This can't be real. If it's pretend it's pushing believability.

Lemme ask you this, Gambit, who is quoted over the part where I supposedly accused you of lurking

Like here's the thing. I can buy that you misread it. Hell, maybe, just maybe, I can buy that you misread it then pushed this hard on it and refused to admit your mistake.

You know why it's possible for me to believe that? Because I quoted Saudade and spoke in the third person.

But the fact that this has become such an issue for you, and the fact that everyone else understood me, has actually let me come to one important conclusion:

You're bullshitting.

Here's why. You're still going on about this. Your entire argument for me being a liar is hinged on this being believed. But here's where you fucked up: it's very clear from the context who it's in reference to. Saudade and I had an argument over that post.

My bringing up policy lynches became an issue.

This is important because you read this exchange. I know you read and understood that exchange because you accused us of bussing one another. Meaning you knew we had that disagreement over anti-town policy lynches.

Here's the other important part: everyone else understood, because people talked about it. You're the only one.

So this very important part of your argument: you didn't think to double check? You didn't think to read the context? And now you're asking me who it's in reference to even though I fucking told you who on the last page???? You're gonna pretend now that the issue is I just never informed you? That I never explained?

I'm not giving you that out. You wanna cop to saying something dumb, you do that yourself and don't use me for it. But that's not what you're doing here. Because you know you're reaching. Because this isn't your only lie. Remember this gem?

This makes it seem as if you want to start a wagon, and jump on at the end due to the unvoting.

Yeah.

VOTE: LTVNGambit

[GuerillaWoo]

LTVN can you give me the numbers or names of or links to your previous games on this site

[GuerillaWoo]

I was talking about Saudade's anti-town play. Holy fucking shit.

I SAID IT ON THE LAST PAGE HOLY SHIT

[GuerillaWoo]

Holy fucking shit*

[GuerillaWoo]

Now he's gonna say again "Well if it's so obvious why won't guerrilla just tell us who he was talking about"

Also screw you Alch I'm tired of everyone's terrible reads of me I just spent a page talking to a sentient plaster cast of another plaster cast. You wanna give half a shred of an argument as to why I'm scum other than a fucking joke I made about the thread being inactive.

[GuerillaWoo]

I was never even scumreading you for the joke and it’s a misrep to say I was. And there’s been more reasons since then. The only people you could fool into thinking there isn’t a case on you are people who haven’t read.

The issue is I was town reading you until I made the realization just now: you're not trying to convince anyone. You have very much maintained a low profile on pushing me other than just calling me scum.

Also I genuinely don't see how that's a misrepresentation. I made a joke about how the thread died after someone wanted to "light a fire" or something on Dva's wagon and you accused me of being their scum partner because I used the first person plural case in my joke but didn't vote for Dva. You said I deflected attention off them when I was the one who fucking brought their behavior, and not a stupid read on their slot, to the thread's attention. The core of your suspicion is an associative read based on a joke. Also, if you think Dva's so scummy that even a HINT of defending them makes me such conf!scum, why the hell aren't you voting for Dva? Why the hell didn't you push them? Why aren't you even pushing me? There are two people on my wagon and one of them you and I both know wouldn't understand the kind of argument you've made about throwing shade without a vote. You're not even trying.

The only other point in your case about me is a smiley face I used that you took as a personal insult, because of something I still don't understand. Have I missed anything?

[GuerillaWoo]

What did I misrepresent? You can't not provide a case for why I'm scum and then claim I'm misrepresenting said case. You won't try to "convince" me, which I never asked you to--i asked what your argument

is

, but you expect me to just, what, read your mind?

[GuerillaWoo]

lmao i was just going through your ISO to essentially quote everything you've said about me. Forgot you're the one that crawled up my asking for asking Saudade his read on Gambit after he called him scum.


Your case is dumb, I didn't misrepresent shit, and you know it. I'm not gonna bother with this tbh, guess we'll wait for you to lynch me??? Counting the seconds xoxo

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't think Flubbernugget's coming back, is he?

[GuerillaWoo]

- Gamm votes Dva
- Guerilla calls it good wagon; also throws shade on a ton of other slots and doesn’t vote anyone
- I vote Dva
- Guerilla still doesn’t join (but talks as if he had)
- Guerilla proceeds to scum flail and attempt several scummy tactics to defend himself

That’s the in-a-nutshell version.

So uh, where in the holy fuck did I misrepresent this? Literally exactly what I described on the last page.

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol no.

Me: lol we're "rekindling" something but the thread died

You: who's this we? What's this we?. why's this we? Why hasn't guerrilla formally submitted a lynch vote through the UN?? How dare he express support for a wagon without voting? WAS THAT AN EMOTICON I SAW????

[GuerillaWoo]

Also VOTE: Tommy

>:)

GuerillaWoo: what happened, man? You were town-reading me 24 hours ago and now you're voting me? Is it because I'm in a 'weird unspoken relationship' or are you sheeping Saudade?

I think it’s pretty clear that this was Guerilla’s cheeky reaponse to me saying Saudade was Town partly due to him not voting for the counterwagon to him.

So Guerilla just plopped a vote on the same wagon as Saudade as a middle finger to me. Don’t buy into his tactics.

Vote Guerilla.

In case anyone's wondering what I mean by 'emoticon'. Alch I will never not remind you of this stupid ass post.

[GuerillaWoo]

Someone voted for someone and it's a middle finger to me. Was I mentioned? No. Was I present to inform any context, you ask? No, I answer. Did it have anything to do with me? Probably not, but it was an insult anyway ://// please lynch this person and keep your thoughts and prayers with my family :////

[GuerillaWoo]

Sigh. Not gonna deal with this tonight. If anyone has questions, go ahead, I'll check periodically

[GuerillaWoo]

I already have. Dva's my top pick for LTVN's partner. Less active but just on a gut level, whenever either of em are here, I get a feeling like everyone's not seeing what's clear as day.

[GuerillaWoo]

Want to switch your vote over then? You're not getting much traction on Gambit.

Yeah no probs, but I'm pretty bitter about the fact that no one's seeing it in LTVN. I don't know what else I could do to convince y'all. I'm probably gonna make a big post pointing out every time he actually lied.

VOTE: Dva Plus it's like every day's the same dream with this one. Comes in, triple posts about who's town or scum, and then votes without a real explanation,

~~never to be heard from again~~

[GuerillaWoo]

~~never to be heard from again~~

Alchemist in case you're wondering this is a joke, sorry I forgot to label it I know you have an allergy to humor.


And in case you're also wondering, this post

is

a middle finger to you.

[GuerillaWoo]

Soz bud, don't buy that Tommy is scum.

[GuerillaWoo]

The way Woo went about minimizing my argument to “it’s just about him saying something about your voting confidence”. If he read what I posted he would know it wasn’t just that.

Honestly I just wanted it to end and for you two to kiss and make up cuz seriously? I'm the king of petty arguments and even that made me wanna blow my brains out.

I think we should get a final lynch and claim setup soon.

what's a claim setup?

intent to hammer

then.

I still strongly prefer Guerilla but I’m not opposed to a DVA lynch.

lol, y'all he

strongly

prefers me, but eh let's lynch anyway eh

[GuerillaWoo]

UNVOTE: DVa

Flubbernugget, when do you think you'll be caught up?

I am on page 11. I have also read the previous 4 pages. Based on what I've seen so far, Dva is probably a compromise lynch throughout a very opinionated town. I'm probably okay with this atm

Well said.

[GuerillaWoo]

I do not think I claim just because alchemist is threatening to put me at l1

You're already at L-1 my dude/dudette, he's threatening to lynch you.

[GuerillaWoo]

How do I only spend 20 minutes on this thread but somehow I am the only one that notices when people change votes?

Like at least when I am here I actually read the thread

You swap votes every single time you're here. Like that's the pot calling the kettle black.

[GuerillaWoo]

Ah shit hate it when my palm carves a hole through my face

[GuerillaWoo]

jfc is this thread compulsively obtuse or what. I give up convincing anyone here of anything. Saudade was pretty much right all along.


Good luck with the lynch, I'll check in occasionally =]

[GuerillaWoo]

Should I just hammer myself and get it over with. Legit can't be bothered with this game, it's like 2±2=7 in this weird ass twilight zone. Four people on my wagon are there cuz they can't fucking read words. It's impossible that all the dumbasses on my wagon are there cuz they're scum, and I definitely don't wanna be in lylo with this.

[GuerillaWoo]

Oh wow a second player doing catch up this game isn't cursed at all.

Also lol @ him defending meta reads, wait until you find out how your slot's been read buddy.

[GuerillaWoo]

Eh sorry it's been a long D1, welcome to the game bud

[GuerillaWoo]

Someone to engage me? What are your reads?

Gamma, Saudade, Doughboy, LTVN, and Ezekel are all Town to me.

Tommy, Dva, Flubber, and you are all null to me.

Guerilla is scum to me.

Still can't tell if you're dumb or what. So because you thought I was defending Dva, you read me as scum because you wagoned that slot, but now you're null on it again? So I'm scum why? Because of your read on my "rekindling" joke? A first person plural pronoun that's still rubbing you the wrong way?

I think it's pretty important we find out whether you're a dumbass townie, cuz otherwise I'm seeing terrible consistency from you.

[GuerillaWoo]

Also VOTE: Flubbernugget

[GuerillaWoo]

Please lynch me rage. Go ahead and do it. I want you to realize that’s it’s always you. It’s never me. You’ll have misread me twice cause you suck at mafia.

Yo, what is your angle here? Why are you steady bitching and whining and attacking me? Everyone can see how you misplayed last game as a pr. I have no regrets about last game when it comes to you. You played like a jackass because you were upset about the mod. You also had your head stuck up your own ass because you felt you played a perfect game, which you didn’t. Now your resorting to bullying because your just a shitty player who can’t handle being pressured about anything. So your go to this tactic, which is pitiful.

Neither one of us got scum last game. You were focused on me and ff. Wrong on both accounts.
I was focused on you, due to your shitty antitown actions.

This game you lied about me on multiple accounts. Which is why you made this post. 550
You also can’t seem to comprehend the difference between stating an opinion and stating something as fact. Also, even if something is an opinion it can still be wrong.

I know I’m not a perfect mafia player. It’s why I try to post my thinking on matters so I can allow others to poke at it. This allows me to see a different view and see something that I may not. It’s also why I don’t mind going back and forth with someone when they think I may be scum. Just to understand their thinking about me and my actions.

That alone makes me a better mafia player than you ever will be.

You are just a toxic shitty player. You won’t learn from your mistakes because you don’t take criticism well. When things don’t go your way you just insult, that lets me know you are mentally weak. Do you have anything to say about me other than you saying I’m a bad player( see that’s an opinion) and bitching about idk what at this point?

Oh my fucking god give it a rest

[GuerillaWoo]

Also I’m not the one keeping the 1v1 going. Db is the one continuing it.

Jesus wept


Both of you are strong and handsome, are ya happy now. Like I don't actually mind sifting through long 1v1s but you guys aren't arguing about this game. It gives us zero to read off of you.

[GuerillaWoo]

So he's town for defending his slot but I'm scum for a readlist you think should've been labeled a readlist.

And those two are still going on about whether one of em was confident in another game or not.

If someone here owns a gun, please come to my house and shoot me

[GuerillaWoo]

UNVOTE:

Glad to see some activity but I'd need to get some coffee before I start sifting through. Anyone wanna give me cliff notes on anything directed at me?

[GuerillaWoo]

Catch up continued I forgot to mention Flubbers iso because it was so bare. I'd like to see more from that slot asap.

Went through guerrillas iso I don't like how he u turns on saudade so quickly and without any real explanation why. I also don't like the pre flip associations and that his vote on my slot is purely down to gut especially when he has another scum read. Guerrilla why isn't your vote on LTVN and can you explain your read and progression on saudade?

Fairly happy with that wagon but I think I'd rather see Ezekel run up so far.

I didn't U-turn on Saudade. I had doubts about him, but he was, admittedly anti-town. In his own words, "trolling". I wanted him more active and he used the wagon to start an early PoE.

I can't remember any pre-flip associations I did. But I don't see why that's at all sus.

My vote on your slot wasn't down to gut. Anytime someone comes in, throws a dozen votes and reads without explanation, then quickly leaves and never responds, that's immediately either anti-town or scummy. Like I can't be blamed here for putting your slot in my sus pool.

My vote isn't on LTVN because Tommy asked me to move on from him. Although I'd like him lynched today, everyone seems blinded by him. Read his ISO and you'll see why

Also nah I'm not gonna explain my progression on Saudade, you're asking me about events that happened decades ago.

[GuerillaWoo]

Im calling you scum cuz I felt like you lied on me.

Town lie. Lying isn’t a scumtell.

Dude like I’ve already asked you earlier. Start taking this game seriously.

Wait I'm sorry, what did you lie about??

[GuerillaWoo]

@Tommy it was wilky's intro that sorta helped the vote. I realized that this dude played more catch up in like 30 mins than Flubber had since the game's start. Like if this wilky guy can come in and in less than a couple hours essentially go through the thread, why has he just been in the background for days? I felt he might be town earlier in the game cuz his absence was justifiable, almost got replaced, but if he's still here and a replacement is doing more, I'm not happy about it.

I unvoted cuz he came back to contribute and why even fucking bother scumreading or trying to wagon anyone. If no one's listening to me on Gambit, if no one's looking through his ISO seriously, I'm not helping anyone sort anything.

ProHawk is a good wagon. All the null low activity players are good.

[GuerillaWoo]

Ezekel if I were interested in your opinion I'd have asked you

[GuerillaWoo]

No, frustrated and snappy we're all still talking about you two's ego trip from like page 3.

[GuerillaWoo]

Jfc you're insufferable

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't even know what you accused me of and honestly I don't care lol, you don't seem like the kind to be reasoned with. Keep your vote on me.

[GuerillaWoo]

No clue anymore.

[GuerillaWoo]

Honestly I can't even get a beat on Ezekel. He's gone on with this so long I can't make heads or tails of him. I understand you're frustrated but I'd rather hold off on lynching him right. I get the sense that this D1 is barreling towards a lynch just out of frustration.

[GuerillaWoo]

I don't think I've ever seen a policy lynch lead to a win. The better way to deal with EzekelRAGE is to filter him out. Literally never quote him or address him. You say he's the one continuing it, but that isn't the whole truth. Either of you can stop this.

Meh, I tried b4, will try again.
UNVOTE: doughboy
VOTE: woo

Will not address anything db has to post about me for remainder of the game. For the betterment of the game.

Legit don't understand how you've been playing this game for three years and still produce thoughts like this in your brain

[GuerillaWoo]

"I legit don’t understand how you don’t see how me vs db just creates noise for most ppl. I’m trying to lessen it."

Fucking lol.

[GuerillaWoo]

@wilky

"You pre flip associated my slot and the LTVN slot by calling us out as the scum team. Why didn't you mention those reasons for the read on my slot beforehand then?"

I did. Read harder. My reasoning for either your slot or Gambit's slot being scummy was never an association.

I can give you my process with Saudade or I can do something not boring and pointless. If you wanna scum read Saudade and then bring out Gambit's old line about me bussing him, just do it, don't make me put effort in for a bs accusation you wanna build up to.

[GuerillaWoo]

I didn't evade it tho. I blatantly explained my Saudade process as it happened and now I'm not interested in recounting it. Plus my battery's low and I don't wanna keep pausing my movie, maybe later if I think it's necessary

[GuerillaWoo]

GuerillaWoo, wait until your movie is over. Wait until you've charged your phone. Then give me the whole story.

Yanno what, just cuz I like you.

Saudade was anti-town and non-contributing at the start and I wanted to pressure him to see how he responds. He dared people to vote for him. I didn't like that at all. Any time a player does nothing but make jokes and get aggro, I worry.

And yes, I am a believer in policy lynches. Not pure policy lynches, but the kind where your uncertainty won't make you feel guilty, or act like a win-win. i.e. if he's scum, we got one, if he's not, we got rid of a problem.

I also got pretty mad, not gonna lie. Dude was obstinate.

Dva came in and acted scummy. So I backed off. That's when I began to learn that many in this thread are sadly suffering from head trauma. Send your thoughts & prayers.

Then he came back, didn't flail or counterwagon me, just got down to business and looked at his own wagon as lynchbait. Then he started pursuing his leads. He helped us PoE a scum pool with one early wagon.

So I TR'd him. I wouldn't call him locktown, he just became very useful in very few posts and it counterbalanced, and maybe even recontexualized, his earlier style.

The end. If anyone asks me to recount this again I'm afraid I'm not gonna be responsible for what I say.

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah.


Toranga your read-based PoE is missing the central conceit that the guy you replaced into, Ezekel, and most people on my wagon are fucking dumb. I've had to be in this thread answering questions like "Why didn't you label it a readlist" and "You unvoted therefore you voted" and "Why didn't you do this thing you very obviously did/why did you do this thing you blatantly didn't do". I've had someone literally to my face explain to me why a stupid 1v1 they've carried 20 pages that I've asked them to shut up about in various tones of politeness and impoliteness, why it is in fact a very distracting and unproductive 1v1.

No one here seems to empathize with the fact I've spent a week trapped in a q&a with paranoid schizophrenic lobotomy patients. Actually once wilky came in and asked me something sensible I was fucking grateful.

So you can call my frustration "annoying" or you can understand the immediate shit throwing apeishness that occurred every time I did something sensible.

Either way, I absolutely refuse to contribute until someone fucking acknowledges this so I don't feel insane.

[GuerillaWoo]

Null afker. He's slipped under even my own radar admittedly. The dynamics of the game before Dva and Gambit replaced out had me looking at different lurkers, so maybe reexamining him is a good idea. I actually like your read on him showing up suddenly, I hadn't really payed attention to that. However, lurking isn't inherently bad. Like your predecessor made a whole big thing about me accusing him of lurking (which I didn't but wtv) but the issue with it is the intent of staying back. Also I don't think scum would be like "here I am!" as soon as someone wonders where they are, although the way I worded my post didn't throw any suspicion at him so maybe he felt it was safe.

[GuerillaWoo]

Np. I woke up today and saw 5 new pages then rolled my eyes so, can't imagine what 30's been like.

Right now I think we should collectively wait.

[GuerillaWoo]

Actually maybe I should be reexamining all my reads.

[GuerillaWoo]

This is interesting with two competing wagons though.

You should say more to this because they both look like lynchbait cws to me

It'll be better to analyze after flips. But it's interesting because it provides a lot of information to work with from D1

Ok so this post just rubs me the wrong way. You wanna lynch people to examine their behavior after a flip?

PEdit- speak of the devil. Answer please

[GuerillaWoo]

Why? He accused you of actively lurking and then you came in and started contributing. He's not wrong just cuz you changed your behavior after he accused you of something.

Like going through your ISO I was legit surprised how sparse your presence was and how I never noticed.

[GuerillaWoo]

prohawk's ISO: the only relatively towny thing he did was apparently check for saudade's meta and ended up townreading him. other posts are descriptive and he seems pretty disengaged. I'm fine with the lynch. I'm leaning more scum on hawk than dva and I don't like the way hawk pushed dva as probably scum without explaining his lean to any detail.

Why? What about DVa's posts compared to mine are more scummy? Did anyone give a shit about my vote or my reads until the end of the freaking day? NO.

P-EDIT: No, to make pre-flip associations will lead you down the wrong road most often that not. I want to examine wagons and trains after people alignments are known. I'm not sure where you came up with the assumption that I want to lynch people to examine their behavior after a flip? I don't think you understood what I meant there? IE: Flubbernugget is using the two wagons as two town-wagons to scum-hunt BEFORE he actually KNOWS that they are both town wagons, which will provide false results should one of the wagons actually be SCUM.

Fair enough on this though

[GuerillaWoo]

Why? He accused you of actively lurking and then you came in and started contributing. He's not wrong just cuz you changed your behavior after he accused you of something.

Like going through your ISO I was legit surprised how sparse your presence was and how I never noticed.

Because someone actually gave me a reason to come into the thread and make a post. I don't remember who said it but literally if I was scum I would INTENTIONALLY not post after someone calls me into the thread. Maybe wait for a prod or some shit to back up some dumb reason why I wasn't posting.

I said it but you using it makes it pretty damn WIFOM-y. Plus calling him out for having egg on his face cuz

you

changed your behavior is pushing it. I'm not buying this anger either.

Can you give us a readlist please.

[GuerillaWoo]

Good vote tbh. Was just gonna say I'm worried about Flubber again

But I need to redo my readlist player by player. Too much changed in a short time span.

[GuerillaWoo]

Everything's changed

[GuerillaWoo]

Can you explain what you mean by confirmation bias there?

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol legit good I waited to vote for ProHawk

[GuerillaWoo]

Oh whoops nevermind, misread your count

VOTE: ProHawk

just imagine this is bold

[GuerillaWoo]

If the mod gets who you're voting for they don't care

[GuerillaWoo]

Fuck's sake this game

VOTE: ProHawk

[GuerillaWoo]

Yes. The one thing that gives me pause on Guerilla was his earlier threat to self-hammer but I don’t know how serious he was about that and I’ve been mulling over whether that alone outweighs everything I scumread him for.

Lol let's please relitigate this, remember when you felt personally insulted by a vote and emoticon

[GuerillaWoo]

I dont like the way you're bouncing between me an prohawk though

It really looks like you dont care who gets lynched

I well and truly don't.

Although at least the less cerebrally inclined among us are finally in the background

[GuerillaWoo]

Everytime I join a forum and get hooked, there's a new version around the corner that never comes

[GuerillaWoo]

Jfc did we seriously accidentally hammer someone.

Maybe we can get a redo or something

[GuerillaWoo]

Actually I don't think he is? Wouldn't the thread close already?

[GuerillaWoo]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[GuerillaWoo]

I had nothing to do with that wagon

Mind explaining yourself on this mr first-on-the-wagon?

Yeah, I meant hammer. I pretty obviously had a lot to do with the wagon.

No you didn't lol

[GuerillaWoo]

Doughboy is a bad nk unless he was tunneling scum

Hoo boy.

[GuerillaWoo]

I had nothing to do with that wagon

Mind explaining yourself on this mr first-on-the-wagon?

Yeah, I meant hammer. I pretty obviously had a lot to do with the wagon.

No you didn't lol

Explain to me what sense it makes as either alignment to overtly flashwagon someone and then say they didn't do it?

Especially when said "denial" is literally right under a post mentioning my name next to an "interesting" hammer?

I'm not saying you didn't vote for him, I'm saying you were in the back of the hall throwing peanuts at the stage while the rest of the wagon did the heavy lifting. Wagons are group efforts, I don't buy that you contributed to that from your ISO.

I think you had no idea he was gonna be lynched, was surprised when he was, immediately tried to distance yourself, got called out, then tried to reverse that with some bravado that doesn't fit.

The issue isn't whether or not you voted for him, it's how you're behaving after he was hammered & flipped. And immediately after pretending you have no problem associating yourself with his wagon, you wanna start shading the nk's wagons.

This is very, very classic scum shit.

[GuerillaWoo]

Jfc did we seriously accidentally hammer someone.

Maybe we can get a redo or something

Question on this woo? Were you serious about this?

From your earlier posts iirc, you said you don't care who gets lynched.
So this reads like fake outrage/concern over the hammer.

I was sincere both times, go wild

[GuerillaWoo]

One was a response to someone in my sus pool tryna tell me that switching votes is a sign of apathy, the other a response to an accidental hammer. Change isn't a factor.

[GuerillaWoo]

Nope

[GuerillaWoo]

That wasn't an answer btw, I'm objecting to the premise of your dumbass question. Would you like to read back into my ISO to know why or will I have to explain it to you

[GuerillaWoo]

Where?

[GuerillaWoo]

Guerilla took issue with things I already called out and then said a ph lynch was for it's own sake

Is this why you wrote that post about how lies are NAI?

[GuerillaWoo]

Oh, looks like you made a beetlejuice comment and asked for a reads list too

Fucking yawn

So yes I lied

Yah this is scum, shoulda listened to Saudade yesterday

[GuerillaWoo]

Flubber provide a read list please

[GuerillaWoo]

Here we go lol

[GuerillaWoo]

Let's get him talking about it.

[GuerillaWoo]

Why did you protect alchemist?

[GuerillaWoo]

VOTE: Ezekel
gut vote

[GuerillaWoo]

GuerillaWoo, do you think the mod would have intervened in Doughboy and EzekelRAGE's fight if either of them had been scum?

Yeah I don't think mods enforce rules based on player alignment, though I sorta missed this. Where'd the mod intervene?

[GuerillaWoo]

Tommy's been the only solid TR I've had so far. Everyone else is noise tbh, no clue how to proceed here.

Flubber hasn't even been back yet and it's worrying. I'm simultaneously not TRing him, don't wanna risk lynching a PR, and concerned about writing him off entirely without some sort of confirmation. I'd actually love to hear some arguments on why we shouldn't worry about him. The only confirmation we can get is if scum decide to kill him at night, but then they could just keep him alive and WIFOM the ever loving fuck out of it. If he's scum, this is gonna be the argument: they kept me alive so you can lynch me.

So it makes no sense to me that everyone's calm about it. There's nothing we can do but wait, and either he'll be NK'd at some point or he won't... Forever.

What's the strategy on this?

[GuerillaWoo]

@Tommy, I'm guessing DB was just being whiny. I'm sure the mod didn't tell him he can't bring up Ezekel's meta at all and just meant the ongoing game they were yelling about. In any case, I don't necessarily see it as having pointed to them as town.

I vaguely leaned town on Ezekel cuz I didn't think scum would risk being that petty and thick for so many pages, but right now my gut's telling me I should be on him. I don't like his shallow reads and I don't like this weird woe is me aura he keeps putting up.

[GuerillaWoo]

DB was just being whiny and the mod didn't spew him town at all. I was scumreading tommy for saying that, it's reading too much into it and it felt like scum complaining somehow.

You were scumreading Tommy for defending a player we know is town? Like, walk me through your process here cuz this logic does not look townie at first glance.

[GuerillaWoo]

Not at first, it later turned into one though. He sorta went from quadruple posting jokes to later insulting people. There was also an element of sketchiness to his early play, like stating that whoever votes for him gets lynched or something. Someone called it bravado way down the line, but rvs bravado always feels like scum tryna look confident.

So it was more a mixture of all three.

[GuerillaWoo]

Initially I wasn't thinking in terms of lynching at all, policy or not


Also people always give me shit over my defense of policy lynches, in like every game I've played so far, but my first game here we could've lynched scum if we'd policy lynched. It's a good option for D1s.

[GuerillaWoo]

Settle down captain happy.

Gamma though for real can you stop sheeping wagons

[GuerillaWoo]

@Tommy Gamma did initially sheep Saudade on my wagon, but later that died down. Then he started sheeping alchemist when he revived the wagon. It's not necessarily scummy, I've just assumed he's lazy and a little daft, but it helps to keep the record straight.

We'd do well to push Ezekel right now. Gamma may not be saying much but at least he's showing his face. Even Toranga, wilky, and alchemist seem to be in here sporadically now.

[GuerillaWoo]

^ also ezekel

[GuerillaWoo]

You know I would be very surprised if Flubber is actually doc as he claims to be

Why?

[GuerillaWoo]

Fair nuff


Aight. Right now I'm thinking Ezekel,. Gamma, and Alchemist for a sus pool. Tommy and Saudade still towny. Willky and Torabga null-ish to green-ish. Flubber wild card as of now, could be doc or scum depending on what time of day you ask me.

I think if we manage to lynch scum today I could revisit his wagon

There's more I wanna say but I'mma hit post cuz I can't keep my eyes open

[GuerillaWoo]

Someone say something controversial

[GuerillaWoo]

My vote's already on Gamma is it not? VOTE: Gamma anyway

Someone say something controversial

I hate beanie babies

Ice cold

[GuerillaWoo]

Actually, Flubber, there's no need to shade your slot at all lol. You're the scummiest motherfucker in here. If you're not scum, I hope that scum kills you, because I don't trust you and I don't trust your claim.

[GuerillaWoo]

Guerilla, if he's not scum, you hope that we lose our doctor?

Yip

[GuerillaWoo]

Mine? Null. Waiting to see if he's gonna stay in the game or get kicked.

[GuerillaWoo]

Yes. But the problem is, I claimed, and massive didnt.

So the ultimate question becomes, "Does guerilla make a push this brazenly bad as scum?"

Lol I'm not pushing you. I don't know whether you're scum or town. All I'm saying is, if you actually are a doctor, I hope you get killed because I don't wanna deal with you. Because you fucked up and I don't want you fucking up again.


Glad you're shading me apropos of nil, though. That's surely helping you look townie.

[GuerillaWoo]

Yes. But the problem is, I claimed, and massive didnt.

So the ultimate question becomes, "Does guerilla make a push this brazenly bad as scum?"

Lol I'm not pushing you. I don't know whether you're scum or town. All I'm saying is, if you actually are a doctor, I hope you get killed because I don't wanna deal with you. Because you fucked up and I don't want you fucking up again.


Glad you're shading me apropos of nil, though. That's surely helping you look townie.

You were on the same mislynch as I was. If i really played that bad you wouldn't have done that. D1 mislynch is common so I have no clue why you are so high strung on this one.

Hey wilky, your teammate sucks at his job. This is what distancing

actually

looks like.

And yeah , you've been one of the most sanctimonious players with regard to everyone else's activity, so the fact that you cant read wilky after he replaced in and produced a bunch of content shows you're fake as fuck right now. You've pretty much damned yourself and wilky as scumbuddies.

Sith

[GuerillaWoo]

Sigh*

[GuerillaWoo]

So um. I dunno how to read Ezekel's sudden absence. Hang on.

[GuerillaWoo]

There's actually some interesting interaction between flub and rage. He sorta shades flub but never actually pushes him. Even ignoring his shallow ass reads, I can't tell what he's doing at D2 start. He's sorta just asking questions that seemed not to exist in the world of the context, which he's been doing since the start.

No point in pushing rage rn but I hope he doesn't replace out in case he's scum, I wanna get a consistent read on the slot.

days without lynching gamma: 20

So this is legit funny and I dunno how I missed it.


I've mostly ignored Toranga tbh (it's not you it's me) but I think I was right to gut read him as town. He's been committed thus far.

I'll do a deeper dive later. Not to sound ~~sanctimonious about activity~~ but the entire game feels futile rn.

[GuerillaWoo]

Mmmh yeah still hoping (and pretty much starting to believe) that Flubber is a doc and gets nk'd. Not gonna bother even. At least it tells me that I should be paying attention to wilky. Like, there's no way he'd buss him as scum, and no sense in dredging up a new wagon against a player that comes off strong. I honestly think he'd have jumped on my Ezekel vote or the Tommy vote when he had the chance, would've given him cred with two different wagons and he could've bussed right before the lynch to give his partner room. Instead he... Pushes me and wilky. Which for scum flubber makes zero sense unless he's just irritated, but he's been here longer than to do that.

That leaves me with a POE-ish wilky I like less than Toranga. I think I'd like to compare those two at some point. Cuz like yeah everyone has a different process but if one of our two replace ins could be scum I'm sure there'll be some sort of sign in there.

As for Alchemist, I'm... Not quite sure. His backing off my wagon is nai. He didn't do so in response to anything, he just seemingly provided the excuses way down the line. I think I also don't understand his process, he has this weird confidence that verges on confirmation bias-ish. Like I kept making fun of him over the smiley face thing but he did it again with Tommy. And it leaves me wondering why I'd ever thought of as a town lean on D1, cuz as far as strategy goes he's been so effective if he's scum. He's picked two reads and he's pretty much stuck with em all game. He seemingly conjures up evidence from his imagination but they came off, at least to me, like erroneous high level reads. I thought he was sincerely trying but ironically his capacity to go that in-depth coupled with his hardheadedness as far as who his pushes are, are the very things that have made me doubt his town lean.

It comes down to this: if he's scum, he's very talented, almost could be said to be playing the best scum game anyone has ever played, and if he's town, he should know better. Does that make sense? He's very difficult to read, because he's clearly good at mafiascum, but he's also been wrong this game and smart enough to avoid the prohawk flashwagon (although scum!Alchemist wouldn't have known it would lead anywhere, he wouldn't jump on a flashwagon, right?). If he's town then he's a solid player actin a fool. Confirmation bias, a lack of real arguments for his reads, not a lotta communication, passive attitude towards his wagons. I don't see us winning this game if he's scum, I absolutely don't think I could read him properly. I'm... Probably just gonna make a wager on ovcam's razor here. Not really interested in lynching him for the rest of the game.

So I guess it's just Gamma left. I need water let's see if my little heart can give enough of a shit tonight

[GuerillaWoo]

Pretty tired, he's a good scumread though

[GuerillaWoo]

Why's it hard to get into?

[GuerillaWoo]

Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller.

[GuerillaWoo]

This is torture for me cuz I have no life

[GuerillaWoo]

Gamma, who is scum?

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah but one's vla and the other will probably replace out tomorrow. It's probably the best sus pool we have.

Unless I'm forgetting something.

Sidenote I'm glad I joined a mini, I have so much trouble remembering names even IRL. Prolly gonna go back and spend more time in newbie games cuz like at least then with one claim you could have an idea of what scum could have.

[GuerillaWoo]

Also something to note, rereading Ezekel I'm starting to get the impression that his reads weren't shallow, just bad? But Gamma doesn't fit that bill. He looks for excuses, whereas Rage seems to either genuinely struggle with misreading easy nai tell, or at least fake it enough so he can do what he wants while people overlook him.

All of which is to say the smart thing to do is reread his entire ISO, even the doughboy fight, and get a sense of his sincerity. But I'm not one to do the smart thing.

oh ezekel is replacing out? damn

He hasn't said so, but he was prodded 24 hours ago so tomorrow's prolly either the final prod or a replacement search.

[GuerillaWoo]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

Will you ever stop sniffing his butt or what


Still not seeing you labeling your readlists properly. Wanna talk about that? About how you sheeped alchie but didn't actually understand his accusation so you accused me of being scum for improper post labeling?

[GuerillaWoo]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

Will you ever stop sniffing his butt or what


Still not seeing you labeling your readlists properly. Wanna talk about that? About how you sheeped alchie but didn't actually understand his accusation so you accused me of being scum for improper post labeling?

Do I have to post “OMFG THIS IS A READLIST”? No. When I posted a readlist I formatted it properly so it came across clearly. If YOU can’t tell that, that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

O shit r u rly this dumb

[GuerillaWoo]

Ok
Still think it’s pretty shady
Like why wouldn’t you state it was a read list in the post?

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol yeah remember how you didn't actually read it and told me it wasn't a readlist cuz it had no town reads but it did

Are you actually going to try to at least look like you're scumhunting or is your scumgame always this easy

OMGUS harder

[GuerillaWoo]

Mmhmmm

[GuerillaWoo]

Dude I don't think you realize I don't give a shit whether you label your posts or not. I just wanted to see how you'd react when you're accused of making shallow reads. Your defensiveness speaks volumes here.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I literally brought it up. Projecting much

[GuerillaWoo]

Dude I don't think you realize I don't give a shit whether you label your posts or not. I just wanted to see how you'd react when you're accused of making shallow reads. Your defensiveness speaks volumes here.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I literally brought it up. Projecting much

You didn't call my reads shallow FUCKING ONCE. Nice. Motherfucking. Try.
VOTE: GuerillaWoo
I'm not moving this 99% of the time

Lol then what's saying that you sheeped Alchie but couldn't actually understand the basis of his read so came up with "u didn't label it a readlist"?

Why so mad? Hit a nerve did I?

[GuerillaWoo]

what's all this barking you're doing

by the gods am I really that good
is it Tommy and Gambit

yanno i was wrong, i am gonna get along with u fine

lolno
town have a tendency to stick to reads even when being disproven. This lacks that pretty severely

shallow

opportunistic jump on the wagon

There was barely a wagon to begin with it was just a handful of random votes.

Thanks mate, but I was fourth on the wagon.

I thought the case on GuerillaWoo is pretty good until I got to post 258, which is very town.

I don't believe either of Saudade's 'town slips' about the set-up.

Not ready to go back to DVa yet. Let's get some more posts from them first. Don't think there's much of a case on LTVNGambit either.

Meh don't like this from tommy, could be scum

ass

Well that only emphasizes my point

btw while the slips don't really mean anything the way Saudade carries on after them is towny imo

reads

Saudade (5) - Doughboy, LTVNGambit, Tommy, GuerillaWoo, DVa
The peak of the wagon
I think it’s probably at least one of LTVNGambit or DVa, with Tommy also under consideration

Switch LTVN with GW and that's my scumreads as of this point

so shallow

You switch between townreading me n scumreading me n its very confusing
Does it depend on the day of the week

It depends on what part of your play I'm focusing on
when you started being uber-confident during today I thought you could be playing the same way you did in large 215
but otherwise, I think your play is towny

you could

Meh don't like this from tommy, could be scum

Want to give some more details about what you don't like in my post? Or is it another gut thing?

I don't like the way you're deferring attention from DVa

walk in it

[GuerillaWoo]

what's all this barking you're doing

by the gods am I really that good
is it Tommy and Gambit

yanno i was wrong, i am gonna get along with u fine

lolno
town have a tendency to stick to reads even when being disproven. This lacks that pretty severely

Haha

"Hey town, I'm not scum, but I gotta say, quickest way to get them sumbishes (whomst I hate cuz I'm not scum like you) is to find anyone who won't change their minds even when they're wrong. If I'm caught in a lie it's just cuz I'm townie"

[GuerillaWoo]

But for real, Gamma buddy why all the aggression?? You were so docile and then blamo, had your little hissy fit and pretty much decided you'd tunnel me regardless of whether you know you're wrong. Hmm what did I say in particular that has her riled up so

[GuerillaWoo]

it'll be real cool if you two can vote wilky

Read the context of what Gamma's saying on this page then convince me he's not scum.

[GuerillaWoo]

Haha how is it that every time you fling your shit at me you end up walking it back

Maybe
It's cuz
You're not reading

Like why are you explaining yourself to me right now

Tell me why is it that I'm conveniently scum for not voting wilky only when a wagon formed on him

[GuerillaWoo]

Oooh it's a narrative now.

Shallow, superficial, not engaging content, skimming posts and forming confident reads off them while pretending you read them only to later backpedal when you're called out.

Saying shit like "town has a tendency to stick to reads even when being disproven" only to then literally say "ok, but I didn't realize that's what you meant".

When you read the above paragraph, btw, I'm pretty sure your playstyle here dictates that you use your "99% of the time" statement to disagree, using the fact that your vote's on me to defend backpedaling every time.

And at the endgame you're gonna look back at this and realize: this was your mistake. This is what shallowness looks like.

Good enuff a definition for ya bud?