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Phone posting right now so not the fastest or most detailed catch up but anyway so far.
I get a town lean on Alchemist from his ISO. It feels natural and nothing pings me throughout the read of it either.
Doughboys iso is hard to understand as there are alot of posts that don't reference the player they are aimed at.
Looks like doughboy has been involved in a 1v1 with Rage (?) I'll check him out next.
Can I get a reads list from you please doughboy?
Am I missing something here? At the last vote count dva (or me) wasn't the leading wagon and I looked at dvas iso too and nothing makes me assume that my slot was being heavily pushed by anyone can you point me to the posts that make you think this?
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In post 580, Tommy wrote:Hey wilky!
Hi guys, don't worry the avatar isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'm doing my catchup but a summary of where you guys are at currently wouldn't go a miss to help me out a little.In post 581, Alchemist21 wrote:Hi Wilky. I hope you never change that avi.-
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No, no, No, No.In post 173, EzekelRAGE wrote:
As far as im concerned, previous games shouldn't be brought up, But it was brought up to try and get a lynch/wagon on me goin in this game so I had to address it.In post 172, LTVNGambit wrote:By the way, can somebody explain, why there is such a large focus on what has been done in a previous game(s)? Reads from previous games are mostly subjective, additionally, you are relying on person x playing the same way as they did in previous games. Can somebody explain why this is efficient? Or is it just to get the ball rolling? I see no point in it.
Past games are definitely not irrelevant. Meta is a massive part of mafia and should 100% be discussed. That said it should be discussed and people should be provided with examples too.
This is also so contradictory to the rest of your iso.
Why was an alch a scum lean before this?In post 506, EzekelRAGE wrote:Gambit 262
Alchemist – nice posts about reads of other player’s actions. Takes me from slight scum lean to neutral/slight town.
Right so where I'm at right now:
Town - Alchemist
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Talk to me about Ezekel? By looking at the iso's Ezekel seemed to be the one who was trying to keep the 1v1 going. The iso pretty much filled with the 1v1 until the last couple of posts and it also reminds me of a scum game I had before where I dragged Gustavo into a 1v1 and kept it going to bog down the thread, split the town and make people choose sides.In post 584, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 441, Alchemist21 wrote:
Gamma, Saudade, Doughboy, LTVN, and Ezekel are all Town to me.In post 433, ProHawk wrote:Someone to engage me? What are your reads?
Tommy, Dva, Flubber, and you are all null to me.
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Quick post before I head off then, this was the vote count at the time the mod announced he was being replaced. 5 in the leading wagon 3 on mines?? Why exactly is replacing out via pm sus and is it more sus than you conveniently ignoring my ask for a reads list?In post 590, Doughboy wrote:
Dva was the closest to l-1, somebody even said he was at l-1. After his last post of the game it was revealed he was tied with 4 but he was still the one under more pressure. There were 2 competing wagons. He also replaced out via pm and not by a post in the game thread.In post 582, wilky wrote:Am I missing something here? At the last vote count dva (or me) wasn't the leading wagon and I looked at dvas iso too and nothing makes me assume that my slot was being heavily pushed by anyone can you point me to the posts that make you think this?
That’s suspicious to me-
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Catch up continued I forgot to mention Flubbers iso because it was so bare. I'd like to see more from that slot asap.
Went through guerrillas iso I don't like how he u turns on saudade so quickly and without any real explanation why. I also don't like the pre flip associations and that his vote on my slot is purely down to gut especially when he has another scum read. Guerrilla why isn't your vote on LTVN and can you explain your read and progression on saudade?
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I may have picked it up wrong because I read both sides individually within the iso's but it seems from that that you're the one that is keeping it going.In post 600, EzekelRAGE wrote:Like I said, you have nothing else to say.
Also I’m not the one keeping the 1v1 going. Db is the one continuing it.
Also your replies are definitely the more aggressive out the two, as I said you're reminding me of my own scum game so my suspicions are definitely lying at you atm.-
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This makes it seem as if you want to start a wagon, and jump on at the end due to the unvoting.In post 168, GuerillaWoo wrote:Is it just me or are there too many inactives coming in hopping a wagon then heading out.
Saudade just so you know, you 100% deserve to be at L-1. But UNVOTE: cuz that was outta left field and it's early
UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuerillaWoo
Not caring whether somebody is town doesn't make sense to me, sure we have a town majority, but if we lose 2 town, day 1 and night 1, then it becomes more difficult.[/quote]
Can you elaborate on what you meant about Guerilla Here? I don't understand.
Quickhammers don't only happen in newbie games and in fact in my experience I've definitely seen more happen outwith newbie games.In post 270, LTVNGambit wrote:@Guerilla no.3
So you started the wagon which is true. You unvoted at L-1. This isn't a newbie game. You'd have to be stupid to randomly Hammer so early without declaring intent and without an argument. If you look recently. You said you'd get along with Saudade. As he has the same reads of me and Tommy as you so. Early bussing.
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So it's just a gut thing then? Let's say hypothetically Gamma was run up to L-1 would you hammer the slot?In post 620, Doughboy wrote:
Idk I just don’t. He’d be in my scum pile if I didn’t already have 3In post 618, wilky wrote:Why don't you trust Gamma?-
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Ok, what about leaving a game via pm is more sus than leaving it via a game post in your opinion? If you're biggest town read left a game via pm would it cause an overhaul in your reads or even just a u turn in that slot? Also, if dva left via an in game post would it have made you look at my slot differently?In post 625, Doughboy wrote:
Yes and yesIn post 623, wilky wrote:
So it's just a gut thing then? Let's say hypothetically Gamma was run up to L-1 would you hammer the slot?In post 620, Doughboy wrote:
Idk I just don’t. He’d be in my scum pile if I didn’t already have 3In post 618, wilky wrote:Why don't you trust Gamma?-
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With the risk of shading my own slot this post here did alot to cement an early town read on Tommy for me.In post 45, Tommy wrote:I disagree. It's too easy to fake.
I do. Here's an example of a game where she gives up as scum:In post 31, Alchemist21 wrote:I honestly think it's likely that Scioness saw a red role PM and replaced out in the pre-game, and I feel like the others who also voted that slot feel the same way as I do.
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What about you, ProHawk? Serious vote?
I like Tommys iso too and he's probably my biggest town read now.
Sorry for spamming the thread guys but I believe that's me read everyone's iso. Maybe not the most detailed catch up but I'm now caught up with the game.-
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Can you elaborate on what you meant about Guerilla Here? I don't understand.In post 614, wilky wrote:
This makes it seem as if you want to start a wagon, and jump on at the end due to the unvoting.In post 168, GuerillaWoo wrote:Is it just me or are there too many inactives coming in hopping a wagon then heading out.
Saudade just so you know, you 100% deserve to be at L-1. But UNVOTE: cuz that was outta left field and it's early
UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuerillaWoo
Not caring whether somebody is town doesn't make sense to me, sure we have a town majority, but if we lose 2 town, day 1 and night 1, then it becomes more difficult.
Quickhammers don't only happen in newbie games and in fact in my experience I've definitely seen more happen outwith newbie games.In post 270, LTVNGambit wrote:@Guerilla no.3
So you started the wagon which is true. You unvoted at L-1. This isn't a newbie game. You'd have to be stupid to randomly Hammer so early without declaring intent and without an argument. If you look recently. You said you'd get along with Saudade. As he has the same reads of me and Tommy as you so. Early bussing.
Outwith these quotes i like this iso another town lean for me.[/quote]
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So my reads as it stands
Town: Tommy, Alch
Town Lean: LTVN
Null town: Gamma
Null: Flubber, problem, doughboy
Scum lean: Guerilla
Scum: Ezekel
In going to stick a vote on Ezekel just now but I'm pretty close to expressing intent on Guerilla too, I'll sleep on it tonight and make a decision tomorrow.
VOTE: Ezekel-
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It's basically the fact that you're aggressively reacting to everything that doughboy says. Doughboy is alot more calm and reserved throughout and actually makes me lean town on him. You're muddying the waters and you're using this 1v1 as a reason to avoid producing other content in my opinion.In post 639, EzekelRAGE wrote:
Other than you saying me vs db is copying how you played as scum, what else do you have against me?In post 632, wilky wrote:So my reads as it stands
Town: Tommy, Alch
Town Lean: LTVN
Null town: Gamma
Null: Flubber, problem, doughboy
Scum lean: Guerilla
Scum: Ezekel
In going to stick a vote on Ezekel just now but I'm pretty close to expressing intent on Guerilla too, I'll sleep on it tonight and make a decision tomorrow.
VOTE: Ezekel
In post 640, Doughboy wrote:I don’t like the vote by wilky. Even if I wasn’t town reading rage, there are way better votes
Nope you're responses and db's responses ultimately read completely different to one another.In post 653, EzekelRAGE wrote:Wilky- the reason I called the reasoning weak is due to using your reasoning the same argument can be made for db. He just has shorter responses compared to me.
Can we get actual content instead of this bullshit thankyou.In post 655, ProHawk wrote:
What's up doc?In post 622, wilky wrote:ProHawk has 1 post that's useful. Again I want more from this slot asap. The last thing we need is passengers in d2+ and both Flubber and prohawk havent posted anywhere near enough yet
I like this wagon. I don't like that it's Flubber starting it due to the fact that I hold Flubber and prohawk in the same regard so far this game.
I mean you wanted saudade lynched then just kind if limped away from it without as much as mentioning why. That to me is an unexplained u-turn.In post 675, GuerillaWoo wrote:
I didn't U-turn on Saudade. I had doubts about him, but he was, admittedly anti-town. In his own words, "trolling". I wanted him more active and he used the wagon to start an early PoE.In post 609, wilky wrote:Catch up continued I forgot to mention Flubbers iso because it was so bare. I'd like to see more from that slot asap.
Went through guerrillas iso I don't like how he u turns on saudade so quickly and without any real explanation why. I also don't like the pre flip associations and that his vote on my slot is purely down to gut especially when he has another scum read. Guerrilla why isn't your vote on LTVN and can you explain your read and progression on saudade?
Fairly happy with that wagon but I think I'd rather see Ezekel run up so far.
I can't remember any pre-flip associations I did. But I don't see why that's at all sus.
My vote on your slot wasn't down to gut. Anytime someone comes in, throws a dozen votes and reads without explanation, then quickly leaves and never responds, that's immediately either anti-town or scummy. Like I can't be blamed here for putting your slot in my sus pool.
My vote isn't on LTVN because Tommy asked me to move on from him. Although I'd like him lynched today, everyone seems blinded by him. Read his ISO and you'll see why
Also nah I'm not gonna explain my progression on Saudade, you're asking me about events that happened decades ago.
You pre flip associated my slot and the LTVN slot by calling us out as the scum team. Why didn't you mention those reasons for the read on my slot beforehand then?
I want you're read progression on Saudade I don't care how long ago you think it was I want to know why you thought it was scum to begin with and what changed your mind. I also want to know where you stand on the slot now.
In a similar manner to how they are playing now or differently?In post 685, Gamma Emerald wrote:I recall ProHaek lurked our of his last scumgame I was present for
This is literally the only post with content from prohawk though.In post 694, Saudade wrote:
its mostly this post because I share similar readsIn post 431, ProHawk wrote:Tommy - Not a fan of his recent comment re: Saudade, sounded like a fabricated reason to get off Saudade. Could be scum.
DVa - Posts have been scummy, very probable scum - I'm voting here.
GuerillaWoo - I like his engagement, town read
Saudade - I looked back at his scum-game early on, granted it was his first scum game, but he is definitely a lot less crass than he is here. Leaning town
Flubbernugget - Need more.
LTVNGambit - Leaning town, haven't seen anything jumping out at me.
Alchemist21 - No real read here yet.... setting this in the null/sort pile
Gamma Emerald - No real read here either... setting this in the null/sort pile
Doughboy - Early town read. Still town.
EzekelRAGE - Posts feel town.
Majority of reads are from the gut, hard for me to engage stuff with all of the fighting going on in the thread.
I like the fanning the flames quote that's sort of my thinkingIn post 702, Doughboy wrote:
I know what he was doing and it isn’t fair. He’s just going to disagree with anyone who says anything negative about him. What he is doing absolutely is more likely to come from scum. He keeps fanning the flames while continuing to do jack shitIn post 672, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think Ezekiel is calling the use of “this play is like my scumplay” weak, which I think is fairIn post 649, Doughboy wrote:That’s actually not weak reasoning at all. Town want to stop arguing. Scum want it to fan the flames.
Meh. Can both if you drop this now pretty please...In post 727, Doughboy wrote:I’m not switching my vote. As long as rage is alive I’m leaving my vote on him. I gave him many chances to back off. I begged many times.
Fuck him-
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@tommy thus is the game here.
I jump on Gus's d1 opinion and exaggerated how much I disagreed with it. I then argued about it for a bit whilst insisting that Gus was misrepping me. The insisting of the misrep is like how Ezekel is persisting with the lying push. I also escaped having to post much of my own content d1 using this tactic and dragged bbt into it again insisting he was misrepping me-
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Got ninja'd by your last post so read post before that.In post 749, wilky wrote:Welcome Toranga.
@doughboy that last post has me thinking that Gamma's right. Ezekel seems happy to move on but you're baiting him as gamma said.
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Nope, this is my main and I have one alt "Tommy Egan"In post 750, Toranaga wrote:
are you virtuoso?In post 749, wilky wrote:Welcome Toranga.
@doughboy that last post has me thinking that Gamma's right. Ezekel seems happy to move on but you're baiting him as gamma said.-
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In post 754, Toranaga wrote:
depends on if the game is fun or not tbhIn post 744, Gamma Emerald wrote: PEdit: hai Tor, pls be active
30 pages and still d1 means you already talked too much and derailed yourselves onto stupid arguments that lead nowhere and are like 80% of the time tvt
and I didn't even read anything
so let's get someone lynched, shall we?
who's active lurking? let's make a list of those fellas and kill inside of it
One stupid argument but yeah pretty spot on we need a claim soon.
VOTE: prohawk-
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Quick prodge from me today. Had a real long day should be back to normal posting tomorrow nightIn post 983, EzekelRAGE wrote:
Toranaga is my most town as well. I did find it odd he flipped on thinking Prohawk is scum, which is why I dont mind Tommy posting his theory. Toranaga posted his reasoning for town reading pro. I can see a town or scum prohawk doing the "vote me" thing.In post 979, Alchemist21 wrote:I think Toranaga is being the Towniest Town and Tommy’s post looks like a scummy attempt to shade the slot to me.-
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I mean Flubber forgets the fact that my biggest scum read at the time at first wasn't going to be lynched and then was later town spewed by the mod.
Prohawk was a fairly null read to begin with but was unwilling to really provide content. I voted there as we were pushing for time and needed a claim and by the time I got back to catch up the hammer had been made.
I'm gonna do some iso's later with the knowledge of prohawk/doughboy town and with Flubber + Ezekel likely town and see where that leads me.-
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In post 1173, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Well I think Flubber’s conclusions are good. So yeah, Tommy is a good vote imoIn post 1169, Saudade wrote:Is this all you have to say?? Who be scum Gamma? TOMMY?!
Other than being on both wagons what make a Tommy a good vote?
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Sorry guys been a hectic few days and to top it all off I've broken my laptop.
So far I'm at town in Tommy, Alchemist, Flubber and Ezekel
Got a slight town read on Saudade
Toranaga I felt had a good catch up but there's nothing really outwith that. I mean the fact he can't answer my question from the beginning of day makes me think he doesn't have an answer and it was scum trying to lay foundations for a later push.
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Ok I missed tors answer to my question, it still doesn't seem a vote worthy reason though. Tor also seems to be skating on a decent catch up and done not else since.
@flubber assuming you are town would scum partners be on both mislynch wagons? D1 me and Guerilla were both on wagon and d2 we were both on you.-
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