mini normal 2042: labeled pictures meme mafia (game over)

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

WOW I HATE RVS LETS INSTEAD TWIDDLE OUR THUMBS

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

TWIDDLE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

TWIDDLE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

What's scummy about lying?

VOTE: SHOSHIN

STOP TRYING TO START THE GAME

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I will now proceed to do a deep and informative meta delve of all the players in the game

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'm done and it turns out the worst and Shoshin are the scumteam

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh yeah, and then we were the same alignment but we both replaced out, but I'm not sure if you actually know about that alt atm

That time I was incorrectly scumreading you too lol

gasp
must've been during my mass burnout a couple of weeks back! I wanna know who the alt is.

Hey Krazy, nice to see you again - can you help me lynch FWS?

for the intents and purposes of this exercise I am now Krazy

VOTE: Floofy wyatt sheepy

MODKILL THIS FOR CONFUSING VOTES

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

THE WORST ARE YOU DRINKING A MARSHMALLOW

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

gj Carmen keep up the great work

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

BAD JOB SHOSHIN DON'T KEEP UP THE NOT GOOD WORK

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE SUPER TOWNIE?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHOSHIN YOU REITERATING THE WILL TO LYNCH ME IMPLIES SERIOUSNESS AND CONFIDENCE THAT FEELS RATHER FAKE GIVEN THE FACT THAT ITS PAGE TWO.
ALSO THIS

Fluffy sheep is lying and pushing a pro-scum agenda.

Pretty good lynch for today.

PRETTY GOOD LYNCH? FRANKLY, I'M OFFENDED. AGAIN, CONFIDENCE AND STUFF.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

ALSO FREAKING OUT OVER GETTING VOTES IN EARLY GAME WHEN WE'RE DEBATABLY STILL IN RVS REEKS OF SURVIVALISTIC

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

CARMEN I'M SORRY YOUR BURN ISN'T THAT SICK

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

BREADCRUMB
I MEAN
BREAKFAST
READING TIME
EGG TIME
APPLE PICKIN' TIME
DORMATORY TIME
CAT TIME
READING TIME (AGAIN)
UNDERSTANDING TIME
MIDDAY MEALTIME
BONFIRE TIME

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I JUST REALIZED SOMEONE MIGHT BE CONFUSED BY THIS

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

THIS IS BELITTLING THE VOTE, ATTEMPTING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A BAD PLAY, SO IT IS SURVIVALISTIC

Carmen, why did you vote for me?

THIS IS NOT, BECAUSE IT IS INQUIRING SOMEONE'S VOTE AND ATTEMPTING TO PROGRESS THE SLOW EARLY GAME GAMESTATE
(ALSO 56 IS BY NO MEANS TOWN INDICATIVE, ITS RATHER EASY TO FAKE)

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHOSHIN DO YOU STILL SCUMREAD ME

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHOSHIN DO YOU STILL SCUMREAD ME

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHOSHIN DO YOU STILL SCUMREAD ME

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT NO LIE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

How about you stop?

NO

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE SUPER TOWNIE?

Yeah, I would like to conduct an acid test.
Town-Shoshin is famous for her early D1 serious-posting (amidst the carrousel of RVS and fluff posting).
I want to find out if this is REAL this game, or FORCED playstyle: ignoring the tone of player’s posts, deflective defence, scum-entrance strategy to pocket players.

HUH INTERESTING

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

FREAKING OUT OVER GETTING VOTED IS STILL PRETTY SCUMMY

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

VOTE: Shoshin
also down to policy flooflez with extreme prejudice

VOTE: the worst

Really should know better than this.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Yup, now would be a good time and place to see if she upholds this serious-posting-even-though-you’re-RVS-posting-‘how-dare-you-vote-me’ persona as both town and SCUM.

HAS SHOSHIN NEVER ROLLED SCUM?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I WILL NOT STOP
ALSO
SHOSHIN PLEASE KEEP YOUR WIKI PAGE UP TO DATE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

THE WORST IS SHOSHIN ALWAYS OVER-DEFENSIVE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

KEYSER TOWNIE

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Yes, Irrelephant11?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

OK

UNVOTING

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

WHY NOT?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

WOW NO NEED TO BE RUDE

VOTE: KRAZY

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

MOST USELESS

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHOSHIN ITS REALLY HARD TO TOWNREAD YOU WHEN YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE 2042

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I MEAN 149

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

WHY ARE WE VOTING CARMEN LAY THE DEETS

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Why is this town indicative why does it fit into town!Flufflez' trajectory and mindset?

It's town indicative because town usually look through people's games to try to figure them out more than scum do.

THEY DO?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'm surprised people are staying away from FWS. I still think he's scum, for three reasons: one, his read on me felt very faked/forced; two, his over-the-top anti-survivalistic approach to the game feels unnatural and makes much more sense from the perspective of scum trying to appear anti-survivalistic rather than town actually being anti-survivalistic; and three, if he were town mislynch bait, I think the scum would have followed me onto him instead of staying away.

1. WHY
2. WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?
3. WHY

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Shoshin

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

THIS IS RESPONDING TO THNGS THAT XWING SAID IN POSTS 186 AND 187
1. DO YOU DISAGREE? SHOULD I DISAGREE? ARE TWO OPINIONS NOT BETTER THAN ONE? IF SHOSHIN HAD A WIKI PAGE I WOULD LOOK AT HER GAMES. ALSO I don't. But I want to.
2. OH I GUESS I HAVE TO RESPOND TO OTHER THINGS ON THIS IF I WANT THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SENSE. I VOTE LAMIST. DUMB THING TO SAY WITHOUT ANY MORE THOUGHTS PRECEDING IT. I DON'T THINK THOUGHTS PRECEDED IT, NOT IMMEDIATELY, AT LEAST.
3. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE META READS? DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH TW'S? ERGO, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SHOSHIN WOULD ACT THIS WAY AS TOWN?
4. WHY AREN'T YOU CONSIDERING THAT CARMEN IS BUDDYING ME AS WELL? LIFE LESSON: TOWNREADS AREN'T BUDDYING. BUDDYING IS CHARMING SOMEONE AND A TOWNREAD CAN GO WITH IT, BUT A TOWNREAD ALONE IS NOT BUDDYING INDICATIVE.
5. DON'T TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF LESS "NICE." PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY FIND YOU MORE PLEASANT IF YOU DON'T. MANHANDLING YOUR PLAYSTYLE IN GENERAL IS A BAD IDEA. JUST GO WITH THE FLOW, YOU KNOW? WHAT COMES NATURALLY.
THE OTHERS SECTION: WAS IRREL TOWN OR SCUM THAT GAME?
NEXT POST
1. I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE INCLINED TO GIVING READS IF YOU PROD THEM ABOUT IT
2. I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN IT IN MY NEXT POST
3. https://www.google.com/search?safe=stri ... SV2k_RaMss
ALSO WITH IT BEING DAY 1 AND WITHOUT RESPONSE, IS THAT NOT REASON ENOUGH TO PRESSURE? -ISH, WHAT I SAID IS REALLY ONLY TRUE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND AS NICE WHEN I TACK ON THE VARIABLE-NESS OF PRESSURING.
4. viewtopic.php?p=10519365#p10519365
5. OK

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

MY JOKE BROKE. KEYSER SÖZE HAS GLORIOUS GAMESOLVING. PROACTIVELY GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

THE WORST DO YOU SCUMREAD ME OR JUST REALLY HATE MY POSTING STYLE?
AND SINCE WHEN DID YOU SCUMREAD ME?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SEPTEMBER 27TH, 1998

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SEPTEMBER 27TH, 1998

hm. not longer after my 5th bday
close

139?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

After a long (30 seconds) of consideration I have decided to use normal case.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Spoiler: Big

@teacher: are you implying there's scum in the wagon? why are you not probing who you think is/are scum there?
im giving you the benefit of the doubt since you said you're on your phone..it sucks to have to post from there..

I wasnt lying when I said I was still on page 1. I then follow up posted when skimming the page where my post landed, and to get a bit of a reaction to what felt forced.

Im still on page 1, with parts of page 5 and 8 read. I couldnt tell you who was on the wagon if a million bucks rode on it. I hope to be there in about 4-6 hours.

But Im at a desktop now, so will be puttering back and forth to the site until I can actually pay attention.

i never said i didnt believe you re page 1 and phone posting..also which post did you feel forced?

TOWN
{tw}
{xwing}
{Shoshin}
{Keyser}

{Krazy, Carmen}

very high sort equity
{Relly, teacher} ~ this has ............... 1.2 scum in it
{Flufflez}


i'm busy tdy but someone sort Carmen for me and I'll give them bread

im surprised im a high townread..usually my indecisiveness lands me in hot water..
im gonna be off soon..guessing you and i share nearby timezones..

THIS IS RESPONDING TO THNGS THAT XWING SAID IN POSTS 186 AND 187
1. DO YOU DISAGREE? SHOULD I DISAGREE? ARE TWO OPINIONS NOT BETTER THAN ONE? IF SHOSHIN HAD A WIKI PAGE I WOULD LOOK AT HER GAMES. ALSO I don't. But I want to.
2. OH I GUESS I HAVE TO RESPOND TO OTHER THINGS ON THIS IF I WANT THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SENSE. I VOTE LAMIST. DUMB THING TO SAY WITHOUT ANY MORE THOUGHTS PRECEDING IT. I DON'T THINK THOUGHTS PRECEDED IT, NOT IMMEDIATELY, AT LEAST.
3. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE META READS? DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH TW'S? ERGO, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SHOSHIN WOULD ACT THIS WAY AS TOWN?
4. WHY AREN'T YOU CONSIDERING THAT CARMEN IS BUDDYING ME AS WELL? LIFE LESSON: TOWNREADS AREN'T BUDDYING. BUDDYING IS CHARMING SOMEONE AND A TOWNREAD CAN GO WITH IT, BUT A TOWNREAD ALONE IS NOT BUDDYING INDICATIVE.
5. DON'T TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF LESS "NICE." PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY FIND YOU MORE PLEASANT IF YOU DON'T. MANHANDLING YOUR PLAYSTYLE IN GENERAL IS A BAD IDEA. JUST GO WITH THE FLOW, YOU KNOW? WHAT COMES NATURALLY.
THE OTHERS SECTION: WAS IRREL TOWN OR SCUM THAT GAME?
NEXT POST
1. I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE INCLINED TO GIVING READS IF YOU PROD THEM ABOUT IT
2. I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN IT IN MY NEXT POST
3. https://www.google.com/search?safe=stri ... SV2k_RaMss
ALSO WITH IT BEING DAY 1 AND WITHOUT RESPONSE, IS THAT NOT REASON ENOUGH TO PRESSURE? -ISH, WHAT I SAID IS REALLY ONLY TRUE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND AS NICE WHEN I TACK ON THE VARIABLE-NESS OF PRESSURING.
4. viewtopic.php?p=10519365#p10519365
5. OK

can you please not post in all caps..pleeeeaaase? it's really hard on the eyes..especially if it's this long..
1. i think town would take more with a grain of salt..unless you're quite sure of your tw/irrel reads?
3. i understand the explanations and im giving it some weight..but that doesnt mean i should stop forming my own read on that slot aside from others just vouching for her..
4. good point, maybe i should have said carmen gave me an easy town read instead of buddying then..i used the wrong term mb..
5. im not making myself play less nice or anything..i've always played like this..what im saying is im trying to improve on other aspects of my play (like entrance, etc.)..but im finding it hard to change certain aspects more than others..
other section: good catch..it's an ongoing game so i cant talk about it, and irrel hasn't flipped yet..so i guess i shouldnt gauge irrel based on that..
NEXT POST
1. okay..
3. im not against it, feel free to go ahead..i was just responding to the "burn" comments..im nice like that
4. thanks for the explanation

pedit: saw teacher has posted, havent read all of them..thanks for explaining what PGO is..

1. Not really, but lying about meta is usually dumb because its easy to disprove.
3. I'm just saying that your question was already answered.
4. There's no thumbs up smily I don't like that
Nothing else of interest after that

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Shoshin -- my hardest slot. By far the most content, but almost entirely self-focused. Others say that this type of defensiveness is consistent with meta. I had a scumread as of 107, but have questions about the wagon. The first RVS wagon is almost never the lynch for the day, because people have a slight psychological block about returning to where they first voted. I am confident (by both statistics and gut) that there was one scum on the wagon at the time. I am not as confident for what this means about Shoshin's own slot -- whether it was distancing or not. The most pro-town thing I am seeing so far is 166's case on FWS. Shoshin, can you provide analysis on other players completely ignoring their read on you for the time being?

I will not provide analysis that ignores relevant evidence. That's usually how scum try to push mislynches.

Key, what're your reads at this point?

Irrel I think my quietness may have come from the fact that I have more free time on the weekends.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I guess I never took those quotes out, huh.
What I was going to say about them was "Shosh I really hope you were stuck on time when you made these posts"

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

For anyone wondering (specifically xwing but maybe others) I have played with all but Carmen and the

newly-quiet-sheep

(who happen to be my two strongest scumreads, which idk I guess I should probably re-eval for that reason :/)

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oooh I see.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is

Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is

Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.

202 is NAI I think (given I'm pretty sure he's joking)
209 is a reason to scumread him but 202 isn't I don't think

220 is interesting, does anything in there give you a ping either way?

Also are you townreading Carmen or just think teacher is scummier?

I didn't really get that joking vibe from it. Also how would 209 ping someone if they didn't think 202 was scummy? Now that I think of it, 209 clarifies that he wasn't joking.
I have a few things I'd like to say about 220.
1. "People don't get wagoned twice" is an extreme pet peeve of mine.
2. I should probably respond to teacher's question. Early game is low content. Better phrasing may have been add to the content pool? Hope you understand the point I'm trying to get across.
3. "was troubled that an apparent newb knew enough to tell the mod in the confirmatory PM that they were VLA weekends" is a really weird thing to say. Not sure if it's town or scum indicative, but it definitely caught my attention. Should we go with the hard-and-fast rule "If it's weird, it's scum"?
4. No explanation on the worst townread at all. Also rather interesting. Not really sure what to glean from this? Possibly an associative tell.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

xwing is also town. Interactions do not look faked.
I'd also throw some townreads at irrelephant and the worst, though these are from gamesolving and are rather weak.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Do you believe FLUFFY’s strong reaction to Shoshin’s early “defensiveness” is rational/natural/alignment indicative?

I kinda plucked this for scum indicative. I think he identified her as LHF and tried to chomp down on it--realiasd the mislynch equity was low and UNVOTED

his earlier posting is consistent with heavy pressuring of Shoshin while generally ignoring other slots and the fact he

UN!!!VOTED!!!!!!

during a time when the rest of us were flirting between heavily pressuring other slots

he has more of an active conversing style rather than the MafiaScum.net passive conversing style which is vogue atm making me think he's probably got off-site experience in a community with pretty decent vibes

I think this is an active conversing wolf approach to town!shoshin sod1 more than it's t/t and I think it soft-spews town!Shoshin if Floofz flips red

Pressuring a single slot is pretty good for early game, I have found. Lightly pressuring everyone will make them budge a little perhaps but it's still easy to ignore. If the full force of one or even better one person plus some more pressure will make someone spin in all directions and start that game.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Is shoshin experienced at playing mafia? I feel like if she is/was a trust tell that would be her getting used to playing a different alignment and she might have been able to copy her playstyle better now? I'm asking this because I'm not sure how much weight we should put on the meta read
What's Carmen at? I don't want any accidental hammer but I'm willing to join a wagon.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I’d just prefer to see her earn town status through words and deeds before I bow down to her.

If her scum meta really that black and white?



Looks like this game has been solved

Keyser looked through the future and stole my post.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I am talking about why players are scum. Like, it's absurd that people think I'm talking about myself when I'm actually talking about others. I just happen to be talking about others in relation to myself, which is the only way anyone can talk about others.

"I'm not scum because I can't be!"
Are you guys sure that it's a townclear?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Screw this I'm voting Shoshin

Vote: Shoshin

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I feel like that's already been made very clear.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Why shouldn't I vote you/

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Why shouldn't I vote you?

EBWOP

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I feel like that's already been made very clear.

It's not clear why you're voting me. Please explain.

You shouldn't vote me because I'm town and because that fact is obvious to anyone who knows anything about how I play (e.g. Irrelephant).

I'm voting you because I scumread you. I've explained why I scumread you?
Do you feel like you would not be able to grow from your play as scum and attempt to better next time?
Could someone please link me to some town and scum games of Shoshin's? I want to see how easily she could correct her play.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

town!Shoshin
tw/shoshin t/t, heavy meta dived her lategame
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=76264

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76303

Relly/Shoshin t/t
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76215

s!tw v. t!shoshin (I had a grand scheme to mislynch her early then reached lategame ~the same time as labyrinth and it fucked up)
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=76294

s!tw t!Rel t!shoshin
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76627

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76964

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76641




scum!Shoshin
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76221

Thanks

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'm here if you're still here

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I believe that he's town

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I like that he's working with people and progressing the game. I don't feel the ulterior motive there.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh oops I missed that one
also I'm not sure what you mean by d1 pass?
Also with the moving up three people, me, obviously, irrelephant because I townlean him, and I'm not sure between Krazy and Carmen. I think I'll say Krazy because null is probably greater than could go either way.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

About 20~ games
Only really started recently

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

mind if I ask for an off-site profile link?

Sorry! I'd rather not have my internet profiles be able to be linked together.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I WILL NOT STOP
ALSO
SHOSHIN PLEASE KEEP YOUR WIKI PAGE UP TO DATE

Hi FWSheep
Do you think this post gives town-Carmen rational reason to town read you?

Even willing to put “money on” the town tell they believe is true?

Oooh maybe not.
Carmen's disappearance is rather scummy as well.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Carmen is currently at L-1. I'd rather not be hasty until Carmen comes back or we get a replacement.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

L-2* that was a typo

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

SHEEP are you at all willing to lynch the worst?

I don't have him as locktown if that's what you're asking.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Hi Krazy, one more question to answer when you return:

You say you didn't like Carmen's interactions with Soshin during early D1:

Her push on Shoshin was shitty in RVS and then she tried to backpedal.

How do you feel about MY interactions with Soshin, and FLUFFY's early interactions with Soshin - do we come out better with our pushes than Carmen?

What makes Carmen's push 'bad', and our pushes 'good'?

For you I have mixed feelings. 88 was good, less of a fan of 89. Usually mixed feelings --> town for me but we'll see

Flufflez I need to metadive probably but I've been okay just being amused by his posts in the short run. I don't think he comes out as scummier than here Carmen tho--it's the backpedal that reads as scummy to me, not just the push itself

If you look for my meta you may find yourself very disappointed.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

This is responding to 439.
1. I mean, I was looking for someone to sink my teeth into. I already explained my thoughts about Shoshin at that time if you don't understand them I can't really help you unless you state what you understand.
2. Ok. I'm going to read Shoshin's meta after I finish catching up.
3. 37 comes from scum because it's survivalistic (keep in mind this read does not keep in Shoshin's meta as of yet). 56 can come from either, it's easy to fake.
4. Ok
5. Are you saying I seem inexperienced because I'm not understanding Shoshin's meta?
6. It was still pretty early game so I was throwing my vote around. Also metareads are usually either correct or will get corrected.
7. Ok
8. Ok
9. Ok
10. Uh. I'm actually not sure what you want to from me here. Everything I didn't mention was null to me, nothing striking. Is there something I'm missing you would like me to comment on
11. Ok
12. Ok
13. Maybe Shosh should learn to react better to scumreads for her own good?
14. Ok
Wow this number thing makes me look lazy out of context.
I really like the worst's progression here, reevaluating his read. I think its townie. Now I'm going to meta Shoshin.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Like, is Irrelephant's reason for me being his strongest scumread still my "cold take"? Really? Was that ever a real reason for someone being a top scumread, or was it just that he realized that a townblock was forming too fast and he needed someone he could mislynch then?

:OOOO

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Subject: Newbie 1869 | Stuff I found online II | Over

what do you suggest we do instead?

Let's lynch MafMen.

This clears up some doubt.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Nice formatting me.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'm about as serious as I could be at this point, Invis. Voting on policy for behaviors outside this game seems like the most pro-scum thing so far, plus I wanted to start building a wagon since everyone was splitting the votes.

Another thing that Shosh did in this game that she did in another game.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Hey Stun & Aronis, help us lynch Kokichi!

and again.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Ok.
I finished reading/skimming Shosh's iso in the games the worst provided and that makes me feel better.
UNVOTE:

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh here's one thing I didn't see in the isos: being survivalistic as town.
Also scum don't want to die. I think that's common knowledge.
Did I miss something? I might have skimmed over it.
P-edit: light scumlean

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Who cares? Just lynch her. She's already refused to claim while at L-1...

Shoshin pls

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Why? Thoughts on my case?

I WILL NOT STOP
ALSO
SHOSHIN PLEASE KEEP YOUR WIKI PAGE UP TO DATE

Hi FWSheep
Do you think this post gives town-Carmen rational reason to town read you?

Even willing to put “money on” the town tell they believe is true?

Oooh maybe not.
Carmen's disappearance is rather scummy as well.

This post, mainly.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

And by mainly I mean entirely. It's not a very strong read.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'm not ignoring the second question. Give me a minute.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Krazy keep up the good work.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

FWS is reading way more into this than he should be -- there's nothing survivalistic or scummy about calling a bad vote bad.

Worse, he's placing more weight here than feels natural. Like, even if he thought this were survivalistic, it's still directly offensive and only indirectly suvivalistic... there's no reason to assume my only motive is survival... I mean, survival wasn't even on my radar when I made that post, my motive was to scumhunt by taking a strong (and valid) position about Carmen's vote... so why assume it's solely survivalistic?

Feels like FWS is strongly overreaching/tunneling in an unnatural way. I don't get the sense that he's actually trying to sort my alignment, or he would have come around on me a long time ago. It seems like he doesn't know how to fluidly change his opinion (something that some players tend to struggle with as scum).

1. Yes there is. Belittling a vote to make people not want to vote you.
2. You're either town who was actually doing that, or scum who wasn't. I believe that there is more scum motivation than town motivation there, and therefore I would believe you're scum doing the scummy thing and not town doing the towny thing.
3. I don't townread you, therefore I am scum.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

@FWS

1. Why are you assuming my intent was "to make people not want to vote"? Why can't I be town who was simply calling a vote bad without the specific intent of making people not want to vote me? Why do you insist that the only interpretation of my post was to prevent people from voting me?

2. To be clear, my intent was to get reactions from Carmen and others. My intent wasn't to prevent anyone from voting me. I actually don't mind when people vote me, because it usually helps me get a better read on them. But that doesn't mean I won't call their vote bad. because that's how I get a reaction from the person voting me as well as from others.

3. Why would calling a vote bad cause someone to stop voting me? In my experience, the opposite happens -- if you call someone's vote bad, it usually makes them defend their vote, which in turn leads them to keep voting. After all, if someone is voting you, it's because they think you're scum, so why would they care if you call their vote bad?

4. It's a very strange assumption on your part to think that people voting me would suddenly stop voting me because I called their vote on me bad... it's also strange that you think a townie wouldn't vote me out of fear that I'd call their vote bad while at the same time arguing that townies aren't survivalistic... seems like what you're saying comes from the informed perspective of scum who knows I'm town and thus assumes that what I'm saying will have much more of an impact that it actually will on a townie...

5. Why is there more scum motivation to calling a vote bad than town motivation? Do you think town are unlikely to call a vote on themselves bad? What's the basis for that claim?

6. To be clear, I think you're scum for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the fact that you're not townreading me. Yes, your terrible scumread on me is part of it, but the lack of a townread isnt. Get those two things straight.

1. Because you'd hardly done anything towny in the first place. It would make no sense for someone to think of you as obvtown. Therefore, I believe that the scum intention is more likely there than the town intention. I'm not ignoring the fact that it is possible that there is town intention there, I'm saying I believe that to be the less likely scenario.
2. Ok
3. What you say has a lot of influence over other people. Either you know this or you don't and had a kneejerk reaction to pressure if you are scum.
4. How does it seem like its coming from an informed perspective? I'm not denying that they're aren't survivalistic townies. Belittling is a little different. Also I may or may not have mentioned a second part of my Shoshin scumread (I think I hinted to to it): acting like she had before (insinuating she was town, being super confident in reads) while not doing much else for a period of the game because it matches with her meta.
5. The lack of basis for their claim.
6. "or he would have come around on me a long time ago"

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

FWS is scum. None of 572 makes any sense from a town perspective.

Why don't you break it down instead of saying "I UNLIKE IT >:(((((((("

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Floofz current read on Shoshin?

Still scum.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'd also like to remind xwing about post 44 and post 48. I gave pretty clear reasoning in those posts as to why Carmen's vote was bad, and it wasn't based on the notion that I was obvious town, as FWS wrongly suggested (he ignored these posts in all of his "attacks"). As is clear from those posts, the reason Carmen's vote was bad is because there were much better votes (e.g. FWS) and because she implicitly defended the person she should have been voting (i.e. FWS). Remember, I was at least trying to move the game forward out of RVS (a clearly pro-town action) while FWS was actively trying to delay RVS (a clearly pro-scum action). And Carmen decided to vote me instead of FWS, and she decided to do that right after I pushed for an FWS lynch, implicitly defending FWS in her actions.

It doesn't matter.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

My point still stands.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

If one of Carmen or FWS is town, xwing's the other scum.

This is stupid.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

schadd can we get a Carmen prod?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Actually the worst you should just hammer now I think.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Actually VOTE: carmen

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Hello
VOTE: Shoshin

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Sorry for jumping the gun yesterday.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

sorry to do this to you but i trust you to impart more common sense on an average day, than i can at capacity
did you have a read of my small wallpost here? if so can you see where i've kinda hit the tipping point with floofz and am leaning back towards town? do you disagree with the trajectory of this read & in isolation can you see a distinctly scummy mindset from Floofz / straight-up not see him as town?

I have no idea who this is directed at but I read the wallpost?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

quality antispew

Ok

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Ok
I have no idea what WIM means.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I'll try my best.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh, that is a problem.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Let's see...

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Krazy has posted nothing AI. Meta is easy to fake and thats mostly what he's done. Is there anything I'm missing? I feel like this is the part where I'm supposed to talk about his read on me. The read itself isn't very insightful. Just saying I'm a bad player or something.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

stufnjfaisdjfa I'm in a hurry

Could you elaborate on my tonal shift?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Spoiler: If anyone needs a reminder for why the above is scum-indicative for SHEEP

I will now proceed to do a deep and informative meta delve of all the players in the game

I'm done and it turns out the worst and Shoshin are the scumteam

FREAKING OUT OVER GETTING VOTED IS STILL PRETTY SCUMMY

I WILL NOT STOP
ALSO
SHOSHIN PLEASE KEEP YOUR WIKI PAGE UP TO DATE

THE WORST IS SHOSHIN ALWAYS OVER-DEFENSIVE

SHOSHIN ITS REALLY HARD TO TOWNREAD YOU WHEN YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE 2042

I MEAN 149

[pretends he's unfamiliar with shoshin's meta so he can scumread her] [accidentally lets slip that he had already read the parts of shoshin's meta that show why nothing she's done here is scummy]

You seem rather confident in this tinfoil, making a whole post about it after all, so I might as well give it a response.
Me typing 2042 has nothing to do with it being mini normal 2042. Also, as scum, why would I feel the need to meta without being prompted? And even if I want to wait until I was done why would I hide it? Basically I read 2042. I respond to 2042 (which would be intentional?). I hide the fact that I did that? This is very stupid. I'm also not ignoring your other post but it is long and stuff.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

To give a response before Shoshin says it, there is such a thing as intent to hammer. I will be respecting that.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Does it read like scum avoiding producing content or town who's not woke yet to you? ignoring the fact it's hard for town to be all that woke following your hammer

Huh... when I think about it I think its more unwoke.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

VOTE: FWS

VOTE: FWS
L-1

no one....?

okay I am regretting reconsidering and I'm pretty sure that hammer is close to a scumclaim so
\( ö )/

I kinda think Carmen handled her scumminess as a TPR fairly poorly by not claiming at l-1 and being resolved via nk .... and then flaking.... but there were ongoing conversations particularly and especially around Flooflez' alignment when he impulsively hammered her. I like personally strongly agreed that the urge to hammer was strong yday but we had such fucking good rhythm going that actually following through on the lolhammer is tantamount to openly admitting you don't intend to solve alignments

Just reiterating two widely townread players (Shoshin and I) were assessing a slot with diverse reads (Floofz). The slot in question then lolhammered a townie

this reds 90% of the time and if this is the other 10% I want to talk more post-game and also like. tbh I don't really feel like solving around that possibility

Agreed with 95% of this

wrt Keyser being the nk what jumps to mind right away
1) I don't THINK he townread Irrelephant11
2) he didn't like Floofz and liked my just out of rvs scumcase on him
3) he didn't interact with my reassessment of Floofz that I recall
4) he was disputed and not obvtown
5) he was off wagon

kinda falling flat on my face here but eh
we lynch Floofz 100% of the time because even if he's town I don't want that kinda WIFOM in 3v2

1) He had paranoia about me/teacher but other than that..?
2) Agreed
3) Agreed
4) Wait really? I was pretty sure he was mostly agreed upon as town.
5) Good point

soulread 2 scum on wagon bee tee dubz

This is not what I was feeling but it's interesting you say so...
Oh wait jk I just went back to check the wagon and I misremembered you as on-wagon and teacher as off-wagon. Yeah this might be true, actually. (as an aside, despite wanting to townread teacher last game day, I remember him having this super-hard WIM game-solve mode for both games I played that he was town in, and I super don't see that here)

if my soul is correct we nuke teacher after floofz
if my soul is incorrect Shoshin is probably even MORE ridiculously good than I thought she was, and also I am very bad at reading newbies

I don't wanna townread Relly rn but he's kinda floating out of my scumdar. unsure if concerning or I'm finally being good at mafia

We need to sort Krazy first I think
Still never shoshin
Not sure what the last part means. Or rather, I know that you're saying you don't scumread me, but why is it the case that you want to scumread me but don't?

just one question before I finally descend into true paranoia madness: is Krazy scum who thought I would be mislynchable because the last time he saw me in action I didn't give a fuck abt mafia and did he expect to resolve his paranoiablock via ascending his read on Shoshin (who is objectively obviously town) and descending his read on me?

free hugs to anyone who can parse this for me bc paranoia is real

This is an interesting theory... Why did he townread me again? I just accepted it because it's accurate but I can't remember any real reasons...

Hello
VOTE: Shoshin

No. Vote someone else or get lynched.

1. I nearly made a sheep pun but I stopped myself. You guys better be thankful.
2. What don't you agree with?
3. Nothing to say here. I was going to say that Keyser was relatively undisputed but Irrel already said that.
4. Huh, interesting metaread. I'll keep that in mind.
5. I think it's best to let people answer the questions that are directed at them.
6. OK
7. Why

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I did a double ISO of Sheep and teach

Spoiler:

What's scummy about lying?

VOTE: SHOSHIN

STOP TRYING TO START THE GAME

Still more scummy than not

SHOSHIN DO YOU STILL SCUMREAD ME

I feel like I've seen tilted town and scum have this reaction to Shoshin in equal measure
The caps here being a gimmick, I'm leaning towards the latter

THE WORST IS SHOSHIN ALWAYS OVER-DEFENSIVE

Yes, Irrelephant11?

OK

UNVOTING

This progression was like slightly towny, but boy does sheep flip flop on this later

SHOSHIN ITS REALLY HARD TO TOWNREAD YOU WHEN YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE 2042

tinfoil theory: Sheep *is* actually metadiving, but his results are mostly in the scum thread (trying to figure out who to mislynch), and this was a slip of that.
Note to self: Potentially it's possible to check this by seeing if Shoshin has any interesting 2042's - if I'm ever realllll bored

Why is this town indicative why does it fit into town!Flufflez' trajectory and mindset?

It's town indicative because town usually look through people's games to try to figure them out more than scum do.

THEY DO?

hm, reinforces the tinfoil theory but eh

MY JOKE BROKE. KEYSER SÖZE HAS GLORIOUS GAMESOLVING. PROACTIVELY GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.

Strong townread on Keyser is +rand scum-indicative based on Keyser's death (too hard to turn around on)
otoh if scum are the only ones sharing scumreads of Keyser that's a pretty good kill too

I will consider policying FWS if nothing strikes me on the readthrough. Please use regular caps? Pretty please? I hear there is free bread on offer.

Interesting that this gets through to sheep (though not immediately)
Tinfoil theory #2: teacher pressured sheep to drop the caps in the scum thread so he wouldn't have to go through with this/reference it ever again

also down to policy flooflez with extreme prejudice

Why was mine a wolfy pop in but this wasnt?

Still a bad post, interesting that it's kinda a chainsaw for sheep

Alright, Im through 219. Time for the effort-post catchup. The popin questions from the readthrough still stand.

Elephant -- I will be paranoid of him ever since he cakewalked our first game on site as scum (cf. 180-Nauci). But this game from him feels different than the one time we played together recently. I found it interesting that immediately after the naked and unannounced L-1, he claimed an inno on Sho (80). The Elephant I know tracks votes better than this. As a result, the catchup VC in 158 felt a bit forced as well. On the other hand, I liked 167's explanation for the take on Carmen, a slot I am being pinged by. Mostly, I want you to talk about 129. I found the reads on Shoshin and Keyser off at the time, but they may be based on Meta I dont know. Please to explain? Pure null.

Me -- dirtbag.

Keyser -- I liked the early tone of GIFS and 19, though I cant explain why. I found the unannounced L-1 concerning, especially with the later request for no quicklynch, so am interested in

The Worst

explaining why it would be a townread. As for Keyser himself, I echo Xwing's question of what was giving you wolfy vibes about that slot as of 106? The naked vote on me seems a bit much of a reaction to what was admittedly a forced post, and potentially an early jump to an incipient wagon. While I liked later posts (145, 148, 171), on balance I think this slot is posting alot without providing much. Null scum within rand.

Krazy -- AFK getting no attention for it.

Carmen -- A similar read to Keyser. There is more I like here, such as the early interactions with Shoshin in 46 and 53. I am seeing some effort to sort, but am not sure I buy the sorting that results -- the townread on Sheep from asking for a Wiki, and the scumread on elephant both seem pretty empty. I certainly dont think you can call Elephant's ISO totally devoid of content, and am not sure I buy that Sheep actually wanted to metadive. pure null.

Shoshin -- my hardest slot. By far the most content, but almost entirely self-focused. Others say that this type of defensiveness is consistent with meta. I had a scumread as of 107, but have questions about the wagon. The first RVS wagon is almost never the lynch for the day, because people have a slight psychological block about returning to where they first voted. I am confident (by both statistics and gut) that there was one scum on the wagon at the time. I am not as confident for what this means about Shoshin's own slot -- whether it was distancing or not. The most pro-town thing I am seeing so far is 166's case on FWS. Shoshin, can you provide analysis on other players completely ignoring their read on you for the time being?

Fluffy -- The caps are an eyesore, but Im liking the material there. The interchange in 177 and 178 in particular seems guided by a true effort to sort. Why did you call this (on page 3 just hours after opening) a slow early game (60)?

Xwing -- was troubled that an apparent newb knew enough to tell the mod in the confirmatory PM that they were VLA weekends, until I read that they had played three newbs already. This is my hardest townread from 94 and 124. I also think 186 is rich with potential associative tells if I need to reexamine this.

The Worst -- my second hardest townread. Why did you not mention elephant in 190? Can you speak more on your solve, because if it involves your Dayvig proposal it is off. I also want to know more about the Keyser town (from the L-1 and the naked vote on me).

teacher has referenced this post as *so obviously* stating that either me or Carmen is scum. I definitely don't read those words anywhere in here? Am I missing something?
Also read of fluffy sheep is definitely not anti-partner in any way. "liking the material"/"guided by a true effort to sort"/weak question is super easy svs material. If anything this is maybe weak svs read for someone I thought had a more impressive scum game (teacher)? But that's too generous a read I feel, especially in a micro where most players would go for easy interactions with scum partners as long as they think they can get a couple mislynches (bussing not being as helpful as in, say, a large).

If forced to vote, it would be Keyser, but Id rather not park when I might not be back.

Strange

... trying to connect me as your partner eh?

Why not vote here? I'm your strongest scum read... I am in no danger of being hammered... don't you want to see me under pressure?


Catching up now.

Not confident and n returning for 48 and have a stronger joint sr (Ie at least 1 is wolf) on CarmenElephant than on iso you.

Still don't see any explanation anywhere for this MUST HAVE ONE SCUM read of the two of us. Reads as setting up for post-Carmen-mislynch, tbh.

After a long (30 seconds) of consideration I have decided to use normal case.

Refer to tinfoil theory #2 (this happened shortly after a teacher post, meaning teacher was probably online to discuss this. Man if my tinfoil theories are correct this game.......)

sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is

Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.

Kinda over-scumreads teacher, imo. I think this is slightly partner indicative.

Screw this I'm voting Shoshin

Vote: Shoshin

I've made this post as scum. I've never made it as town
I think the reason why is "screw this" sorta pre-emptively answers the "wow that was unexpected why did you do that?" with "I just felt like it in the moment, it's super natural of me"
whereas if town's reads change suddenly because of paranoia they usually reference their paranoia or just don't explain (so as to get a reaction out of the person they think might be scum)

Im now the AFK along with Krazy, and you have my apologies because I hate that normally. I slept for 12 hours when I intended to play last night. Im judging a debate tourney today but will get in action between rounds and definitely tonight as Im rested.

My reads have gotten stronger on town TW. A little weaker on Xwing simply from coasting when they are vla weekends and didnt seem to do much after securing a townread on Thur and Fri, but I still think the contentful posts ring townie. FWS has moved way down for me, Key has moved way up. Im at the point where my pool is Krazy, Elephant, Carmen, FWS.

Im still conflicted on Carmen and Elephant. Im locked that there is a scum there, but I want to double ISO for more confidence on which one. To be clear, my pure nulls on both were thinking one must be scum but not having strong pings on which one. Im also hesistant on reading Elephant because I have a genuine like for him as a person - I like how the game isnt personal for him. In my three games with him, Ive also misread him three times, so have little confidence on my ability to read his playstyle.

In addition to that double ISO, Im going to do a game search for Krazy, because I think reactions to that AFK may be informative. I want that slot to play the weekend like they said they would, and the two Friday posts seem like posting just to post without content or taking stances.

"sorry for afk, here's my excuse"/"if one of these two townies flips town, lynch the other" both come from scum more than town imo
Still don't know why teacher thinks there has to be a scum between me and Carmen, or how he's "locked" on that (no second thoughts, after being afk and not having time to sort properly?)
Also his little thing about how he likes me and that makes it harder to read me kinda sounds like hedging his scumread so he can both push me and be allowed to be wrong
Also strong townread on Keyser similarly is +rand scum indicative because Keyser death (honestly it reads like "well we've decided to kill Keyser tonight")
with the same caveat from before that this is only true dependent on others' reads of Keyser I have yet to double check

carmen thoughts.

Sold. These were quite convincing.

Really, these were convincing??? I didn't think so

I'm about as serious as I could be at this point, Invis. Voting on policy for behaviors outside this game seems like the most pro-scum thing so far, plus I wanted to start building a wagon since everyone was splitting the votes.

Another thing that Shosh did in this game that she did in another game.

Ok.
I finished reading/skimming Shosh's iso in the games the worst provided and that makes me feel better.
UNVOTE:

Back to townreading shoshin because meta (as he should)

Who cares? Just lynch her. She's already refused to claim while at L-1...

Shoshin pls

This, given his later hammer on Carmen, is pretty terrible

I’m pretty into a Carmen sheep team atm.

Hmmm I can't decide if scum teacher would say this about scum sheep

VOTE: Carmen

L-1.

Also willing to go to FWS. Feels like the game is lagging a bit, but likely thats just the weekend absences. Im planning to be around tonight FWIW.

This one is slightly more anti-partner-y than the last, though if sheep had already said in scumtalk he would hammer Carmen at his next opportunity it's meaningless

Floofz current read on Shoshin?

Still scum.

"still"..? The unvote earlier made it seem like shoshin was a new townread. This read seems faked all around.

Actually VOTE: carmen

Crap, as we all know.

Hello
VOTE: Shoshin

Crappier, given strong meta reasons why shoshin is town. Does D1 really read like scum!shoshin picking out Carmen and leading town to a mislynch?

Sorry for jumping the gun yesterday.

No you're not.

PUTTING THIS OFF.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh so this turned out to be very easy to find, actually

2037 is a fine post, the worst. Reality shouldn't be scumreading me and her reasons for doing so are bullshit.

Let's kill sheep now because my tinfoil theory #1 is less tinfoil now and more "probably accurate theory"

Explain how this, in any way, entails that I am the mafia?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh wait I get it now. Basically the read itself is irrefutable (but not necessarily true).

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I actually want to hammer Carmen.
[snip]

was this statement true, or were you trying to test something, or a lil bit of both?

Sorry for jumping the gun yesterday.

errrr no..i gave shoshin a hard time simply for *wanting* to hammer someone who was implying a PR..what more to someone who *actually* hammered with like 6+ days left to discuss.. anyway you're at L-1 soooo there's that..
why? what's with the hammer?

:O
Just noticed -

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*quack*

happy scum day tw!!

..to be continued..

wait a minute...

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Figurative minutes

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

*sigh*
I wish I had unvoted on my v/la prodge vote

teacher, xwing, krazy, I need you three to sort each other. Thx <3

quick version:

teacher

1. liked his catch-up post, i read it as effort to sort everyone in the game..i think i mentioned this somewhere already..
2. kinda drops off near the end, might be coz of IRL stuff i dunno..
3. noted that he promised to get back on but didnt, might be coz the thread got locked before he had the chance to talk, could be busy..i dunno..giving benefit of the doubt..
4. i thought his theory on people shading his slot as scummy theory interesting..but need to hear more from him..

krazy

1. dislike early posts..got nothing to go with those..
2. dislike meta links..felt LAMIST..i dont expect everyone (i wont, honestly) to read up lots of past games to sort people, i believe in reading people in the actual game itself, though i understand that some people are good at meta and stuff, and it has some weight to a certain degree..but i've never played with all the others so it seems like a waste of time (for me anyway)..
3. i like that he put in effort to sort everyone after those early nothing posts..but i need to hear more from him too..

i feel they are both null/town to me..but if you want me to pick one over the other, i felt like krazy did more sorting than teacher in the overall game..

Quick Kray thoughts:

- consistent focus/infatuation with meta analysis (appears their strength, so obviously reliance on it is expected, instead of hiding behind it).
- In no rush to ‘do their thing’ (didn’t feel pressured/self conscious enough to produce content early for the sake of it.)
- Demonstrates no qualms putting two strong/vocal/active players in null (for paranoia/meta reasons)
- I like Kray’s references to how each player sees themselves versus how Kray sees them/the situation
- Even though there is a lot of null in their reads tiers, Kray is not afraid to include frequent reads as definitive as ‘I see this way more often from town’ / ‘town for me’. These observations make me feel better. More of these please (makes you less hedgy, and more direct).

Enough to move Kray out of null.

I think I'll sheep Keyser to town-Krazy
xwing is my new most important sort
Accidental wolf-sider or taking advantage of a split town? that is the question.
also why is xwing using so many ".." this game?

i find this segment insightful..please talk to yourself more..
1. why do you think it's wise to sheep keyser when sorting krazy (other than the flip of course)?
2. how do you determine what's your important sort?
3. go question..
4. you only noticed just now? you can refer to our past completed game..hope it's not annoying for anyone though..

Responding to walls is fun.
Teacher: Interesting how?
krazy: What do you mean by "got nothing to do with those"? Do you mean its a gutread or that Krazy is intentionally making posts that you cannot read?
Also how is posting meta reads lamist? With that logic you can call declaring intent lamist. Or making an RVS vote lamist.
Ok I'm done

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Oh wait I get it now. Basically the read itself is irrefutable (but not necessarily true).

This is not accusing Irrelephant of intentionally crafting an irrefutable tinfoil. I'm saying that I understood the tinfoil and that I had nothing else to say because it was irrefutable.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

I should do a PoE pool.

Irrelephant11 - null
teacher - A wee bit scummy. Could someone who know's teacher's meta please fill me in?
Keyser Söze - dead
Krazy - a little bit of town
Carmen - Forgive my malice
Shoshin - scum
FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP - me
xwing - town
the worst - town
So that puts me at {Shoshin, teacher} with Irrelephant and to a lesser extent Krazy as swapslots
I was pedited

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

floofz if you aren't scum who is
shoshin isn't btw

If Shoshin can't be then it's {teacher/irrelephant}

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

might be my last chance for the day to look and see, will respond tom (if there's any)..

this implies you swung scum on me at some point? where? why?

it's something I'm kinda constantly reevaluating especially since my strongest townread has you firmly PoE'd, below is an example

if my soul is correct we nuke teacher after floofz
if my soul is incorrect Shoshin is probably even MORE ridiculously good than I thought she was, and also I am very bad at reading newbies

I don't wanna townread Relly rn but he's kinda floating out of my scumdar. unsure if concerning or I'm finally being good at mafia

sorry, i dont follow still? i mean the second part of your sentence..im fine with the re-evaluating part..

[snip]
Responding to walls is fun.
Teacher: Interesting how?
krazy: What do you mean by "got nothing to do with those"? Do you mean its a gutread or that Krazy is intentionally making posts that you cannot read?
Also how is posting meta reads lamist? With that logic you can call declaring intent lamist. Or making an RVS vote lamist.
Ok I'm done

prologue: sorry if it seems i talk too much..find it hard to be concise..will try..
1. interesting because in a way he's implying those scumreading him are scum..from top of my head that's tw and irrel..i got strong town on tw, and town lean on irrel at the start of D2..so nice food for thought, though im not sold and wanna hear more..
2. i said got nothing to "GO" with those early posts, meaning NAI..
3. meta read by itself is fine, even though i dont quite agree with it..what i found lamist was actually posting the links for all of us to see that he's going to meta-dive..hope that's clear..

1. Makes sense.
2. So do you dislike the posts or are they NAI?
3. So? There's nothing wrong with that.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

sheep, krazy has given intent so in your next post you should claim

When?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

No? I explained already how sheep started the game with "I'm gonna metadive shoshin"
then he didn't share any results of that meta dive itt for a long time, and because he didn't know shoshin's meta he scumread her
but then I thought he accidentally slipped that he'd read Shoshin's post 2024 from another game, which would prove he *was* familiar with her meta and was faking the scumread on her
but then he might have said 2024 because it's the game number (still, though: what are the odds that shoshin wrote post 2024 in another game in response to something the worst said?)

I was joking when I said the metadive thing.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Irrelephant, are you scum?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Spoiler: Big quote

[snip]

[snip]
Responding to walls is fun.
Teacher: Interesting how?
krazy: What do you mean by "got nothing to do with those"? Do you mean its a gutread or that Krazy is intentionally making posts that you cannot read?
Also how is posting meta reads lamist? With that logic you can call declaring intent lamist. Or making an RVS vote lamist.
Ok I'm done

prologue: sorry if it seems i talk too much..find it hard to be concise..will try..
1. interesting because in a way he's implying those scumreading him are scum..from top of my head that's tw and irrel..i got strong town on tw, and town lean on irrel at the start of D2..so nice food for thought, though im not sold and wanna hear more..
2. i said got nothing to "GO" with those early posts, meaning NAI..
3. meta read by itself is fine, even though i dont quite agree with it..what i found lamist was actually posting the links for all of us to see that he's going to meta-dive..hope that's clear..

1. Makes sense.
2. So do you dislike the posts or are they NAI?
3. So? There's nothing wrong with that.

*sorry i messed up the quotes, dont want to start again..
2. they are NAI and didnt understand some (a lot of inside references which i just ignored)
3. i never said there was anything wrong with that..i just said it felt LAMIST to me..why does this bother you?
what are your questions supposed to suss out from me?

Like this is almost something I should ask in postgame but I guess I just need to know, Sho -- wtf is this?

viewtopic.php?t=77435&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

what are we supposed to glean from here? (too lazy, didnt read but skimmed VERY quickly and just noticed her responses were very short)..

shoshin reaffirm my townread on the worst please

xwing is there any chance sheep is town?
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at the start, i was leaning town on him, but his lolhammer is just so bad in my eyes..we got 5 or 6+ days left where we could have talked more (carmen isnt escaping anywhere)..besides that carmen was implying PR..
right now, i feel some semblance of hunting, but feels faked to me..like i dont get what his questions to me is supposed to do about my alignment..
but at least, i gleaned something..FWS seems to be (very softly) defending krazy? like i dont really get where the trajectory of his questioning re what i felt was lamist..i mean he could have just said he disagreed with it then end of story..i mean it was my read, and we dont have to concur about it, nor am i forcing him to concur with me..
so tldr, meh slight chance he's town, but im treating him as conf!scum right now unless he does something incredibly convincing..

FWIW, MY triple ISO is you Shosh FWS since Im treating FWS as claimed scum, and Krazy hasnt said enough to make it worth testing associations.

I didnt catch it in real time for 220, but I found it odd just how much attention FWS and Shosh paid each other in RVS. Fully 20% of the first hundred posts of the game is those two slots talking about the other. 17, 21, 22, 27, 30, 35, 38, 39, 40, 44, 49, 51, 60, 61, 64, 66, 67, 96, 97, 100

nice to see this..what do you think about sho-FWS interactions then?

I kinda get the read dissonance on Floofz. every time I reread him I keep seeing things that could come from town, also like, everyone looks like town atm just Floofz looks the least town and I think the timing of teacher's towny moments might be scum indicative...

re teacher, why do you think it might be scum indicative?

2. Why did you say you disliked them? Don't use "Why do you care so much?" as an answer.
3. It bothers me because what you're saying doesn't make sense. What does LAMIST mean to you?

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Look a little bit upwards.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

Hi, so I might as well claim.
I am an informed townie. I was informed that Carmen was town. That might have contributed to some weirdness around the slot.

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

@mod replace me

i have lost all interest in mafia
i was gonna reveal this when the game ended but I'm leaving know so im invisibility

[FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP]

im gonna do this know to prevent wifom from my replacee
im an informed neapolitan
i knew carmen's role
all of it
shoshin is confirmed town
lynch teacher