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THIS IS TOWN SHOSHINIn post 114, Keyser Söze wrote:
It’s me fearing you could have a good scum game.In post 107, Shoshin wrote:the worst knows this isn't my scum game because he's seen it before. That's why his vote was terrible and why I'm voting him for the rest of this game unless he really towns it up.
Irrelaphant also knows my town/scum play. He's correctly townreading me, because this is far from my scum game.
key's notion that I'm scum because I'm playing the same way I played as town is... patently absurd? Like, just take a second to think about it - "Shoshin is playing like in her town games, so let me vote her to test if she keeps playing like in her town games." Don't like Key at all this game. But I'll give it time, because I think I misread him last game and can't remember when he looks like as town/scum and he's sort of awkward in general.
What’s wrong with that Shoshin? It’s early D1. There isn’t much to chew on right now. Let me muse.
FTR: I’d prefer for other people to shout ‘this is town Shoshin’ and not you.lame I was just starting to scumread the worst (which means he's town, everyone)
what flipped it for you
Keyser/the worst/shoshin/xwing locktown this is gonna be a bad game for scum-
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now whose recent town early game does this sound like..?In post 145, Keyser Söze wrote:she basically just shot us all down... basically calling my reason to scum read her as idiotic, and that you and the worst ‘should know’ this is town her. How does that open serious dialogue? It just closes doors.
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and then you said hot take: the bottom half the of playerlist is townIn post 129, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser/the worst/shoshin/xwing locktown this is gonna be a bad game for scum
so you replaced keyser with fluffy (and me with you, though neither of us really need to say that so I don't really count it as being said) and then voted me, a player with extremely similar reads to you
pedit: I'm not avoiding the fluf, I think he's Carmen's partner-
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you can see the futureIn post 168, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:POSTS LIKE 2042-
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
trying to evaluate if I deserve "devoid of town" at this point
in a game w/o Nauci shouting about how good I am as scum I kinda feel like you should be townreading me here? idk @tw, @keyser, @shoshin am I wrong
dumb I felt like I had solved the game there for a minute
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For anyone wondering (specifically xwing but maybe others) I have played with all but Carmen and the newly-quiet-sheep (who happen to be my two strongest scumreads, which idk I guess I should probably re-eval for that reason :/)
Multiple games, in some cases
So you're not getting "yes hello I am elephant nice to meetchu" this game you're getting
I mean idc if you decide I'm whiteknighting Shoshin or just have a hard meta read I just want you to know Shoshin is 98% locktownIn post 236, teacher wrote:
wk tho?In post 232, Keyser Söze wrote:scum-Irrelephant doesn't dive in to save scum-Shoshin's bacon here.
We have played in ~4 games together now, including being partners in friemds mafia and I know a lot about how she thinks, how she earlygames, and how hard it is for her to play well as scum. I will not consider scum!shoshin until lylo
Praises beIn post 249, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:After a long (30 seconds) of consideration I have decided to use normal case.
I was worried about the eventuality where I'd want to lynch you but also not read your posts at all
Yes okay I'm at like 83% town!Keyser rnIn post 256, Keyser Söze wrote:
^In post 255, Keyser Söze wrote:[FTR for clarity: I haven't played a micro in a while so was ignorant to the fact how quickly a player can reach L-1 (only 5 votes for hammer?). I'm usually more cautious regard putting a player to L-1, especially on the first few pages of D1! My vote was a genuine/serious pressure vote though (neither RVS or a quick lynch attempt) following up to paranoia I had for Shoshin.]
Nauci recommended that I explain all my behaviour that people find scummy - instead of me just saying'it's NAI, both town and scum could put a player to L-1 by accident'.
I don't remember you complaining when I gave my locktown list?In post 264, Keyser Söze wrote:Carmen suspicions:
- bit too easy to t/read FLUFFYWS
- Not quite gauging/seeing their reason to s/read Irrelephant11 (my paranoia on Irrelephant11 actually is only based on Carmen/teacher posts - confirm bias, yes I know. Irrellephant in isolation has just been more quiet/less open than usual).
- Carmen’s ‘bottom half of playerlist are all town’ post smells like possible TMI. I’d preferred to see Carmen explain why player a, b and c are town for reasons x, y and z.
Basically, Carmen is coming to reads I don’t think are natural for a townie. I think those are enough reasons for me to be scared.
But also I agree
I am here to playyyyy
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oh someone did ask me about my meta reads on you and shoshin I think?
You can read American Presidents, Watchmen Wanted, and ummm I guess nothing else at this time lol
but those two games are ones Keyser was in (shoshin was in the first of the two) and I just think I've got a good feel for Keyser
tbf Keyser's scumgame is better than Shoshin's so if I'm wrong on one it's Keyser
while I'm at it
I'm sheeping Shoshin on calling tw locktown
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Umm teacher is like halfway between stungun and skitter imo
does that answer your question?
lol it's been a bit so if you want a deeper answer I have to go look back at those games
He's definitely wordy
FLUFF: probably/probably/probably not, except maybe it's a tiny bit scummy because shoshin tends to frustrate scum
xwing: yes so far (though I admit none of her reads are stuck in my head so I should double check this), and yes-
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202 is NAI I think (given I'm pretty sure he's joking)In post 283, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:
Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.In post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is
209 is a reason to scumread him but 202 isn't I don't think
220 is interesting, does anything in there give you a ping either way?
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Just want to point out the bolded. Basically this list is three townreads, one of which is weak, and a bunch of nulls, and I'm not a fanIn post 220, teacher wrote:Alright, Im through 219. Time for the effort-post catchup. The popin questions from the readthrough still stand.
Elephant -- I will be paranoid of him ever since he cakewalked our first game on site as scum (cf. 180-Nauci). But this game from him feels different than the one time we played together recently. I found it interesting that immediately after the naked and unannounced L-1, he claimed an inno on Sho (80). The Elephant I know tracks votes better than this. As a result, the catchup VC in 158 felt a bit forced as well. On the other hand, I liked 167's explanation for the take on Carmen, a slot I am being pinged by. Mostly, I want you to talk about 129. I found the reads on Shoshin and Keyser off at the time, but they may be based on Meta I dont know. Please to explain?Pure null.
Me -- dirtbag.
Keyser -- I liked the early tone of GIFS and 19, though I cant explain why. I found the unannounced L-1 concerning, especially with the later request for no quicklynch, so am interested inThe Worstexplaining why it would be a townread. As for Keyser himself, I echo Xwing's question of what was giving you wolfy vibes about that slot as of 106? The naked vote on me seems a bit much of a reaction to what was admittedly a forced post, and potentially an early jump to an incipient wagon. While I liked later posts (145, 148, 171), on balance I think this slot is posting alot without providing much.Nullscum within rand.
Krazy -- AFK getting no attention for it.
Carmen -- A similar read to Keyser. There is more I like here, such as the early interactions with Shoshin in 46 and 53. I am seeing some effort to sort, but am not sure I buy the sorting that results -- the townread on Sheep from asking for a Wiki, and the scumread on elephant both seem pretty empty. I certainly dont think you can call Elephant's ISO totally devoid of content, and am not sure I buy that Sheep actually wanted to metadive. purenull.
Shoshin --my hardest slot. By far the most content, but almost entirely self-focused. Others say that this type of defensiveness is consistent with meta. I had a scumread as of 107, but have questions about the wagon. The first RVS wagon is almost never the lynch for the day, because people have a slight psychological block about returning to where they first voted. I am confident (by both statistics and gut) that there was one scum on the wagon at the time. I am not as confident for what this means about Shoshin's own slot -- whether it was distancing or not. The most pro-town thing I am seeing so far is 166's case on FWS. Shoshin, can you provide analysis on other players completely ignoring their read on you for the time being?
Fluffy -- The caps are an eyesore, but Im liking the material there. The interchange in 177 and 178 in particular seems guided by a true effort to sort. Why did you call this (on page 3 just hours after opening) a slow early game (60)?
Xwing -- was troubled that an apparent newb knew enough to tell the mod in the confirmatory PM that they were VLA weekends, until I read that they had played three newbs already. This is my hardest townread from 94 and 124. I also think 186 is rich with potential associative tells if I need to reexamine this.
The Worst -- my second hardest townread. Why did you not mention elephant in 190? Can you speak more on your solve, because if it involves your Dayvig proposal it is off. I also want to know more about the Keyser town (from the L-1 and the naked vote on me).
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idk if you're asking me but the point is fair and I don't disagreeIn post 291, the worst wrote:
tbh talk to me on why you feel like there's exactly 1 scum in here, I think the two have mad s/s equityIn post 283, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:
Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.In post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
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wait no I know
the reason I townread teacher's call out of Krazy was that he was calling out "why is he getting no attention" which is a good question to ask as town because the answer might be "his partner doesn't care to call attention to his lurkiness" (assuming scum would jump on a lurker as easy mislynchbait if the lurker *isn't* scum (which relies on teacher being a townie asking the question in the first place but anyway yes I think his wording is a teeny bit towny))
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"Who wore it better? tw or Irrelephant?"In post 304, the worst wrote:TOWN
{tw} - obvscum guilty child
{xwing} - ~92% town, low chance of being wrong
{shoshin} - ~ 88%ish town
{keyser} - 80%ish town
but yes this is correct and I am glad we got here-
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ooh fun this is new for usIn post 401, Shoshin wrote:I'm not feeling town Irrelephant yet, so we'll see about that.
do one of your angle-shooty townread tests where no one can tell exactly how you're getting to the read, I'm sure I will pass
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I'm lightly townreading teacher and Krazy's most recent posts
teacher because his self meta is accurate and I like his defense of his readslist (much better than "well how can you expect me to have non-nulls so early???" that I see scum or mehtown say after an early readslist)
Krazy because gut feel but obvs this is very very light
This is the part where I'd move my vote to my strongest scumread but it's still Carmen
Still don't townread the SHEEP, either
Feeling paranoid about the worst which probably should lead me to townread him more given my history of reading him
I find shoshin's non-townread on xwing interesting and also would like to hear more there, I feel like xwing is very towny (though not as towny as Shoshin or Keyser atm)-
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v/la prod dodge
My activity isn’t AI I have had the WORST week at work (which is when I usually play mafia) and it’s affected my activity sitewide
I see Carmen thinks I’m scum because I tried to take down a town bloc? Except I’m the one who made the town bloc in the first place, just without her or sheep (and with Keyser). Like if I’m scum she at least has to admit that that literally can’t be my scum tactic here because I made the bloc first (at least accuse me of making a false town bloc, but even then I didn’t put myself in it soooo)
Reads as misreppy and scummy IMO but if I’m wrong I’m sure one of Keyser/Shoshin/xwing will let me know
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VOTE: FWS
L-1
Agreed with 95% of thisIn post 612, the worst wrote:no one....?
okay I am regretting reconsidering and I'm pretty sure that hammer is close to a scumclaim so
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I kinda think Carmen handled her scumminess as a TPR fairly poorly by not claiming at l-1 and being resolved via nk .... and then flaking.... but there were ongoing conversations particularly and especially around Flooflez' alignment when he impulsively hammered her. I like personally strongly agreed that the urge to hammer was strong yday but we had such fucking good rhythm going that actually following through on the lolhammer is tantamount to openly admitting you don't intend to solve alignments
Just reiterating two widely townread players (Shoshin and I) were assessing a slot with diverse reads (Floofz). The slot in question then lolhammered a townie
this reds 90% of the time and if this is the other 10% I want to talk more post-game and also like. tbh I don't really feel like solving around that possibility
1) He had paranoia about me/teacher but other than that..?In post 613, the worst wrote:wrt Keyser being the nk what jumps to mind right away
1) I don't THINK he townread Irrelephant11
2) he didn't like Floofz and liked my just out of rvs scumcase on him
3) he didn't interact with my reassessment of Floofz that I recall
4) he was disputed and not obvtown
5) he was off wagon
kinda falling flat on my face here but eh
we lynch Floofz 100% of the time because even if he's town I don't want that kinda WIFOM in 3v2
2) Agreed
3) Agreed
4) Wait really? I was pretty sure he was mostly agreed upon as town.
5) Good point
This is not what I was feeling but it's interesting you say so...In post 614, the worst wrote:soulread 2 scum on wagon bee tee dubz
Oh wait jk I just went back to check the wagon and I misremembered you as on-wagon and teacher as off-wagon. Yeah this might be true, actually. (as an aside, despite wanting to townread teacher last game day, I remember him having this super-hard WIM game-solve mode for both games I played that he was town in, and I super don't see that here)
We need to sort Krazy first I thinkIn post 615, the worst wrote:if my soul is correct we nuke teacher after floofz
if my soul is incorrect Shoshin is probably even MORE ridiculously good than I thought she was, and also I am very bad at reading newbies
I don't wanna townread Relly rn but he's kinda floating out of my scumdar. unsure if concerning or I'm finally being good at mafia
Still never shoshin
Not sure what the last part means. Or rather, I know that you're saying you don't scumread me, but why is it the case that you want to scumread me but don't?
This is an interesting theory... Why did he townread me again? I just accepted it because it's accurate but I can't remember any real reasons...In post 616, the worst wrote:just one question before I finally descend into true paranoia madness: is Krazy scum who thought I would be mislynchable because the last time he saw me in action I didn't give a fuck abt mafia and did he expect to resolve his paranoiablock via ascending his read on Shoshin (who is objectively obviously town) and descending his read on me?
free hugs to anyone who can parse this for me bc paranoia is realNo. Vote someone else or get lynched.
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these were Krazy's reasons to townlean me and they're fine I guessIn post 557, Krazy wrote:In post 85, Irrelephant11 wrote:UNVOTE:
shoot this is micro, not mini
sorry for L-1
or wait is shoshin l-1 idk
I think Carmen is town because it reminds me of skitter interacting with you for the first time
I think Keyser is town because I liked his gif and I want him to be town
love the sheep, interested in the development on the read of Carmen. I want to say I townlean just because this type of 180 is something I see waaaaaay more often from townIn post 158, Irrelephant11 wrote:let me think, teach is on me, sheep on krazy, keyser on teach, shoshin on teach
okay great
vote Carmen
townleanIn post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is
I want my instinct that there's always a scum between Carmen/Sheep to be right
Can it just be teacher/Sheep? Let's examine-
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I think I'll sheep Keyser to town-KrazyIn post 568, Keyser Söze wrote:Quick Kray thoughts:
- consistent focus/infatuation with meta analysis (appears their strength, so obviously reliance on it is expected, instead of hiding behind it).
- In no rush to ‘do their thing’ (didn’t feel pressured/self conscious enough to produce content early for the sake of it.)
- Demonstrates no qualms putting two strong/vocal/active players in null (for paranoia/meta reasons)
- I like Kray’s references to how each player sees themselves versus how Kray sees them/the situation
- Even though there is a lot of null in their reads tiers, Kray is not afraid to include frequent reads as definitive as ‘I see this way more often from town’ / ‘town for me’. These observations make me feel better. More of these please (makes you less hedgy, and more direct).
Enough to move Kray out of null.
xwing is my new most important sort
Accidental wolf-sider or taking advantage of a split town? that is the question.
also why is xwing using so many ".." this game?
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Oh so this turned out to be very easy to find, actually
Let's kill sheep now because my tinfoil theory #1 is less tinfoil now and more "probably accurate theory"In post 2042, Shoshin wrote:2037 is a fine post, the worst. Reality shouldn't be scumreading me and her reasons for doing so are bullshit.-
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sheep, krazy has given intent so in your next post you should claim
pedit: ?
I mean, I guess
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pedit2: what's your question? I thought I'd caught scum accidentally revealing things from scum chat, in which case I was at 98%. But the lolhammer + lots of scumreads all game mean he's almost definitely scum anyway (compare 83% sure with random=33% sure). Do you disagree that sheep is scum?-
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