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[Ruby Red]

sup

mumble town, flippy probtown, rb probtown is what i've got so far

[Ruby Red]

Yeah, Flavor. If town!Flavor thinks the activity is a town tell, he should have waited a couple days to see if it continued, rather than telegraphing that it looks townie to him. From a scum!flavor perspective, it could be early buddying.

pretty good thought actually

towny

[Ruby Red]

thespio is town btw, if i get lynched you don't lynch him

btw t4 is town

saudade can be town for now too

I would like you to town read me as well, thank you.

you may be town too

smh these people copying my style

[Ruby Red]

wow my opinions are facts imo

wow what's wrong with it

Rb confuses me...

Not Voting (4): 214chrnor, joges, Persivul, Flavor Leaf

who the hell is 214chrrhcnor?!

game solved

CONFSCUM
Bittersweet
Emperor flippyNips
214chrnor*
Thespio
Mumble
Flavor Leaf
stan1ey
or
joges
Saudade
Persivul
rb
CONFTOWN

Yeah, sounds reasonable.

bonus points to anyone who can tell me what all three of these posts have in common

[Ruby Red]

bittersweet and tttt wagons both good choices imo

thespio's a good vote but not really a wagon right now so
VOTE: bittersweet

[Ruby Red]

bonus points to anyone who can tell me what all three of these posts have in common

I get two...but not three.

Fail.

don't worry, you were probably thinking like 4 levels above me

the correct answer was:

they're all wolfy

@ruby are you an alt?
cuz nobody's copying your style if that's your join-date
sorry

i retroactively brought it into style.

everybody wants to talk about bittersweet but the rest of my reads are spot-on too

tbh i didn't even realize that post was a readslist, i thought you were just calling the entire playerlist confscum as a joke or something

why is joges scum

[Ruby Red]

i'm not really feeling joges wolf, why are you

[Ruby Red]

my poe rn is {Bittersweet, TTTT, thespio, stan1ey}

flavor can move in or out, same with joges maybe

[Ruby Red]

hard changing wagons

VOTE: Thespio

i've decided. this lynches a wolf one hundred percent of the time.

[Ruby Red]

i will scream this shit down if need be. one hundred percent confident.

if you want a scum lynch day one, sheep this shit.

[Ruby Red]

i read into his soul. i saw his scum role pm.

[Ruby Red]

you know what? maybe i'll sit back with this and just partner hunt off of it.

day one ends in his lynch, though.

[Ruby Red]

rb, thespio scum is something that you're going to have to accept before the day ends.

[Ruby Red]

Doesn’t a nice old Ruby wagon sound fun right about now?

something you'd like to say?

[Ruby Red]

hey ruby red, lynch FL today and i follow you tomorrow

not an option an dnot up for negotiation.

[Ruby Red]

congrats, your alt has fulfilled its purpose.

[Ruby Red]

wait... Ruby Red is right.

VOTE: Thespio

you might be town after all

or if you're bussing you're making the right play

I guess it's time for me to start actually playing, huh?

probably

There's not really much to go off of, but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf and rb being town.

why

[Ruby Red]

this needs to stop before it stats

everyone please stop being distracted by the dangling, shiny keys that is flavor leaf being weird and doing weird shit

direct your gaze towards thespio being scum that will coast by if you don't listen to me

[Ruby Red]

that's not to say that i townread flavor. i don't.

i just know that thespio is always scum here, whereas it's up in the air on FL

[Ruby Red]

not before now you haven't, no. at least on MS.

that's why you're so frozen right now.

[Ruby Red]

that's not to say that i townread flavor. i don't.

i just know that thespio is always scum here, whereas it's up in the air on FL

What are you talking about, I have, to date, Never flipped scum. Im never scum on here.

by the way, i'd just like everyone to consider this response to what i said. really just turn it over in your mind for a minute.

does it make sense from a town perspective? is it logical?

[Ruby Red]

Why do you think im scum?

well, the fact that your first response to me calling you scum was "i've never been scum before" before you even asked what my reasons were is a part of it

[Ruby Red]

Well, yeah, it's logical. When you claim to have a scum read on him by meta, it's valid for him to note that he doesn't have a scum game here to compare this to.

when did i claim that

[Ruby Red]

Ruby, when you're scum, do you tend to come in and try to be a town leader D1?

lol.

Why do you think im scum?

well, the fact that your first response to me calling you scum was "i've never been scum before" before you even asked what my reasons were is a part of it

He said that because he mistook you saying he is always scum "here" as you saying he is always scum on this website

that's not a sensical way to read that sentence. why the fuck would i be voting someone because "they were scum in all of their previous games, must be scum here"? sick gambler's fallacy.

Why do you think im scum?

well, the fact that your first response to me calling you scum was "i've never been scum before" before you even asked what my reasons were is a part of it

But seriously, why do you think im scum. Whats your rationale?

i was being serious.

[Ruby Red]

Well, yeah, it's logical. When you claim to have a scum read on him by meta, it's valid for him to note that he doesn't have a scum game here to compare this to.

when did i claim that

You said, "i just know that thespio is always scum here." The "always" implies that you see a pattern in his play in this game that you've seen from him before, but only when he's scum.

no, it really doesn't.

it's a statement of confidence.

[Ruby Red]

that's not a sensical way to read that sentence. why the fuck would i be voting someone because "they were scum in all of their previous games, must be scum here"? sick gambler's fallacy.

it is, and we know, thats why I think its off you asked it, what were you saying then?

no, it fucking

is not

. who in their right mind actually reads "yeah this person is always scum here" or "this person is always town here" as referring to the website and not

the game

?

obviously i was referring to THIS FUCKING GAME

[Ruby Red]

random note: did a post just get deleted somewhere? could've sworn that post you just made was 299 but when i looked again it changed

[Ruby Red]

that's an utter misrep. never have i scumread him

for

or because he misread something.

[Ruby Red]

read what i say there. do i say "you're scum because you misinterpreted what i said?"

no. within the context of thinking that what i wrote was something someone could actually read and understand (it is), i scumread him for his response.

not

because

he misinterpreted something,

because

of his response. you're misrepresenting my reasoning.


the fact that his response turned out to be a misinterpretation of what i said is something that came out later.

[Ruby Red]

I'm a pedant? I'm not the one who's saying that a person must be out of their mind to read it as it's actually written.

that's not how "it's actually written". i used the word "here".

you're

the one who took it to mean "this website" and not "this game that we are currently playing in".

doesn't matter though.

[Ruby Red]

???

dude this discussion just really doesn't matter and i've been trying to say as much. it really doesn't matter to me that people didn't get what i was saying

however i worded something it was just to get my point across

[Ruby Red]

i'm sorry that we disagree over how understandable the wording of my sentence was, didn't realize it bothered you that much?

[Ruby Red]

mfw

[Ruby Red]

what if every single one of us requested replacement

[Ruby Red]

@Thespio - can you give an updated read on rb since you voted him back in 73? thx

@Thespio - I think you missed 304

Oh thanks, ill reread him.

and after you reread him can you share your updated read?
plz and thankyou

I've asked four times now

psst....

that's why he's scum

[Ruby Red]

man why does this shit have to happen in a game where i feel like my reads are on point

[Ruby Red]

my poe rn is {Bittersweet, TTTT, thespio, stan1ey}

flavor can move in or out, same with joges maybe

[Ruby Red]

haven't figured out if you're bussing thespio here or not yet

[Ruby Red]

mfw saudade is being replaced too

[Ruby Red]

or, you have not mentioned thespio a single time this entire game. why is that?

[Ruby Red]

man, names that i can't control + f bother me.

anyways, not sure why i didn't have or in my poe before this, but i think it might've been a mistake

need to reread

[Ruby Red]

saudade i think was just for inactivity

[Ruby Red]

Slaxx replaces Thespio!

oh jesus fuck

[Ruby Red]

uuuuughhhhgh

getting this scum lynch just got an order of magnitude harder

[Ruby Red]

dude this is not cool

[Ruby Red]

Bit of an overreaction don't you think?

i mean like

lynching a slot which i am

very

confident will now be harder given that a decent scumplayer just replaced in

i think the frustration is a little warranted

[Ruby Red]

Rules

Miscellaneous

• Use of Outside of Game Information is strictly prohibited. This includes alignment reads off of almost anything not a product of posts in thread, such as reports, online status or forum signature changes.

[Ruby Red]

Humor me and help me lynch Stan1ey, you should have no problem with that yes?

he's in my poe but i'm not really feeling it and i'm not compromising if it's not absolutely necessary

@Ruby - how confident are you?

very

[Ruby Red]

actually fuck it, i can case thespio

[Ruby Red]

so this is crossbussing right

or no

[Ruby Red]

So the first and most important thing you need to realize to see that Thespio is scum is that he just isn't playing his towngame here. Might sound like circular reasoning, but it's not. Let's review his ISO this game to see what he did post, and more importantly the things he

didn't

post.

Here's a summary of my points:

• He never had any real scumreads.
  
• His votes (or rather, vote, singular) were (was) terrible with terrible reasoning, which I don't think is present in his towngame.
  
• His activity was poor, and he didn't make good use of the small time that he
  was
  in-thread.
  
• His depth of thought was lacking compared to previous towngames.

1. No Real Scumreads

Unless you expect me to quote every post of his ISO there's not a great way for me to demonstrate this, so I encourage you – go read through his ISO. It's not long. Search for a real scumread, because you won't be able to find one. Now, some people might say rb, but rb wasn't a real scumread of his. He never calls rb scum and never brings him up outside of his initial vote.

Also, nobody ever makes a post like this about someone that they're scumreading:

wow my opinions are facts imo

wow what's wrong with it

Rb confuses me...

If he had unvoted while making this post, I would consider it genuine towny confusion. If he had mentioned in some future post "not sure what to think about rb", I wouldn't be making this point. He didn't. Even further, the posts that he quoted are really just rb being weird / goofy, so I don't think Thespio was even saying "Rb confuses me" in terms of his alignment – he was just joking around about those posts.

In fact, I titled this "no real scumreads", but Thespio didn't have any real reads period, town or scum.

This is pretty closely related to the next point, so:

2. Bad Vote

The rb vote is just not good. It's as simple as that. It's not good and it's not good in a way that is pretty easily scum indicative.

wow wagons are fun imo VOTE: TTTTT

Youre a very eager beaver to lynch someone.
VOTE: RB

y dat scummy tho

People who ride wagons for the sake of riding wagons are scummy imo, your reason sucks.

Notice how he doesn't even call rb scum, he just says "people who do the thing that you're doing are scummy". He never even says "you are scummy". The only direct statement he makes towards rb is "your reason sucks".
This is scum talking to someone they know is town.

3. Poor Activity

I looked into Thespio's soul. Maybe you should do some soul searching yourself?

• Use of Outside of Game Information is strictly prohibited. This includes alignment reads off of almost anything not a product of posts in thread, such as reports, online status or forum signature changes.

Anyways, Thespio had pretty weak thread presence during his time in this game, and he made

really

scum-indicative use of what time he did spend in the thread.

Let's look at everything he did between entering the thread on January 14th with 284 and leaving after 305:

It's literally nothing but asking me why I think he's scum.

Now, don't get me wrong: that's a reasonable question to ask. The thing is, this happens a lot with me: scum get hyperfocused on hounding me for reasons why I think they're scum. Even apart from rule reasons, I was deliberately avoiding giving concrete answers just to see if Thespio would fall into this scum behavior. Town in this situation does

something

other than just asking me for reasons. They'd catch up and respond to posts they missed, they'd maybe give their thoughts on my own alignment for not giving a reason, they'd do

something

else. Thespio didn't.

That's a point to emphasize, too:

Thespio never once gave a read on me.

4. This isn't his Towngame

Let's look at Thepsio's last game before this one. The first thing I want you to do is just look at it. There's a really obvious just

visual

difference between his ISO here and there. Even beyond that, let's analyze. Let's take a look at just the sixth post of his ISO:

So hear me out here, just want all your opinions on this, I’m currently scum leaning on RCE but assuming he is just saying I think we’re simmiliar then the most beneficial thing for teacher if he was scum would be for them to lean into this idea that they are similar, this would let him pick up a townie and he could attempt to shift suspicion off of their pocketed townie to gain their trust. At the time there wasn’t really any pressure on teacher so they didn’t have to worry about us flipping on them. But now teacher is trying to justify their interactions and even more he strait up says he thinks it’s weird how similar they are. Meanwhile I think the rest of us are like ‘wtf are they talking about?’

Currently feel this makes teacher scum and a hard lean with RCL
VOTE: Teacher

More reads in one post than in his entire ISO this game.

I think I've made my point. Thespio was a frozen wolf who just wasn't playing his scumgame.

[Ruby Red]

don't ever expect me to do this again btw

this is a special circumstance

[Ruby Red]

Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?

you can do whatever you want

[Ruby Red]

the first three points are pointing out things that happened that

are scum indicative

[Ruby Red]

the fourth point is the main one that the rest of the three are in the context of though, you're right

[Ruby Red]

you're just wrong

[Ruby Red]

like i try to operate on a higher level of dialogue here and make a huge case and pull out all these reasons and formatting but if this is the response i'm going to get then i'll just scream and scream to get lynches through

that's not something i want to do, someone already replaced out just because we disagreed over the meaning of a sentence

[Ruby Red]

yeah dude, totally no "substance" to that case

you can get policy lynched after thespio slot

[Ruby Red]

yeah dude, totally no "substance" to that case

you can get policy lynched after thespio slot

Why do you say policy here? Why isn’t it scum aligned? How come that was completely glossed over as a possible outcome?

i call it a policy lynch because it would be more out of personal anger than any real reasons

although yeah i recognize there are real reasons

[Ruby Red]

go for it

[Ruby Red]

I do not like posts about confidence on D1. How confident can anyone who is town be? And by asking this, you make me feel you're town reading them, so how is asking them if they're confident when they have absolutely no info to go off of at all a good thing.

i will never ever agree with anyone who says that day 1s are useless or that you can't catch anything on d1

[Ruby Red]

like never ever

fundamentally opposed

[Ruby Red]

I do not like posts about confidence on D1. How confident can anyone who is town be?

And by asking this, you make me feel you're town reading them, so how is asking them if they're confident

when they have absolutely no info to go off of at all

a good thing.

the philosophy seems inherent here

[Ruby Red]

I guess. I read it more as making someone commit to a read like TTTT did with you pre-flip.

what

D1s are NOT useless. BUT saying you're confident on D1 is not sensible. I scum read confidence on D1 because they're usually the only people in place to not be paranoid about anyone.

i am confident on day one when i have reasons that warrant confidence

this is one of those scenarios.

[Ruby Red]

why do you townread slaxx

[Ruby Red]

okay

i don't disagree that TTTT could be scum but his question has nothing to do with my degree of confidence

even if he were scum i would be surprised if his plan specifically with that question was to set me up to have false confidence or something. i just don't think that's something wolves do

[Ruby Red]

Because I'm town, and scum wouldn't forget a town player like this. They'd be sure to come up with something.

no, i;m sorry. you're just wrong. this isn't a reason to townread him.

[Ruby Red]

like you need more than that because i have cased this guy more than i've ever cased anyone before ever and this really small shit just does not outweigh everything i laid out

[Ruby Red]

i guarantee you slaxx probably feels guilty to some degree about this entire situation

i guarantee you if there's daychat there's a post in the scum pt like that

i would, at least.

[Ruby Red]

okay

i don't disagree that TTTT could be scum but his question has nothing to do with my degree of confidence

even if he were scum i would be surprised if his plan specifically with that question was to set me up to have false confidence or something. i just don't think that's something wolves do

I fucking hate that "its too blatant/obvious to be scum" schtick

You should know that Ruby. I don't think its scummy but is is steeped so fucking deep in fallacy.

where did i say "too blatant"?

Because I'm town, and scum wouldn't forget a town player like this. They'd be sure to come up with something.

no, i;m sorry. you're just wrong. this isn't a reason to townread him.

I can have whatever reason I want to town read someone.

From my point of view, I see this as something I wouldn't do as scum, and would do as town. So he gets my town read.

WOW SICK COUNTERARGUMENT

I'm not saying you "can't" townread him for that reason. I'm saying it's a drop dead stupid reason to townread someone who (as you will find out later) is scum.

[Ruby Red]

jibril please speak to me

what do you think of slaxx

[Ruby Red]

like you need more than that because i have cased this guy more than i've ever cased anyone before ever and this really small shit just does not outweigh everything i laid out

Maybe you're right about your case and I'm wrong? I don't know. But I would find it hard to lynch him today because of that post. It stands out to me specifically because I'm the one he forgot, and therefore I get to have my opinion about it. I don't expect people to share it, or see the logic to it because it's completely from my point of view.

you're falling into the classic trap of basing your reads too much off of yourself and not taking an objective standpoint

i think it's a very town thing to do but i also think it's a pretty big mistake that people fall into and something that pretty often leads to them getting pocketed (not that slaxx was deliberately trying to pocket you with that post)

@Ruby, was it not implied in "Wolves don't do that"

no

[Ruby Red]

Subject: Newbie 1898: [GAME OVER]

i genuinely apologize if i am wrong, but i don't think i am. i can only go off of what i see and what i see points to you being a wolf. given that i am playing to make the most out of what could very likely be my only day alive in this game.

[Ruby Red]

By the way Ruby, the shit you listed about not asking you for your reasoning or trying to sort your push...the stuff you thought would be townie for Thespio...I did all that before you listed it.

you're a different player than thespio and i would never read the two of you the same way.

like, the reasons i townread mumble for example would just not apply to anyone else.

And I don't freaking get why you can't maybe wrap your head around the fact that the slot was just disinterested.

of course i considered that. the overwhelming likelihood was that he was scum moreso than bored.

[Ruby Red]

I hope, if I'm around for it, that my D1 reads will differ from my D2 and so on. On D1 I like to find reasons not to lynch someone and reasons to lynch someone. D1 I take things a lot more personal, like you calling me stupid if I wasn't already feeling good about wanting you around D2 probably would have got you a scum read for the day because I would feel like I can't see a future working with you.

please don't get me wrong. i'm not calling you stupid. i'm saying that your reason for townreading someone is incredibly poor, and i'm trying to get that point across.

either way, i should hope that you wouldn't scumread someone just for them theoretically insulting you – that would be an even worse version of the (for lack of a better term) self-centered style of forming reads that i mentioned.

I really don't like going in to "I think they're town/scum" (on D1) personally, but do it for the sake of having this conversation every game. In D1 no one has made any decisions that effect the game until someone hammers. Then there's people who decided to lynch and didn't. That's when people being town and scum can truly begin in my opinion.

I look at it like, you can't solve a puzzle without the first clue. The first clue, in my opinion, is the first lynch.

this is basically what i was getting at with the "day 1s are useless" thing, the idea that there's nothing to go off of before a lynch and a nightkill

and like i've said, i will never ever agree with it.

[Ruby Red]

Aren't you doing exactly what you're scolding me for, then?

elaborate? i have no idea what you're getting at with just those two quotes there.

[Ruby Red]

Okay, maybe we can get somewhere with this, probably not but what the hell.

What's your read on me, in isolation, completely separate of Thespio? I'm not asking you to commit to that, I'm not going to dick you around and try to use that read against you. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact you're not letting up off this slot. But I'm trying to get you to think in a different way because this problem isn't going to go away.

it isn't town

[Ruby Red]

wow imo

[Ruby Red]

nothing like a nice screaming deathtunnel game to make me hate myself

[Ruby Red]

This specifically, but let's not cloud the game up, I don't think it matters, I just felt it was hypocritical. Like you saying it's okay for you to townread someone for your personal reasons but not for someone else to do the same.

You're misunderstanding me. Of course I'm not saying that you can't read someone based on "personal reasons". I have no idea how

else

anyone would read someone.

What I'm saying is a bad reason is reading people based

specifically on how they interact with your slot

: that is, if i were to say "Mumble is town because he townreads me" or something similar. My townread on mumble has nothing to do with me specifically: it's mostly objective. Like, if I weren't actually a player in the game and I were just spectating, I would still have the read because it doesn't depend on anything that relates specifically to me.

Oh god it might just be better to lynch me today

I don't like the company I'm in anymore.

sorry if i'm making this hell

[Ruby Red]

like here's the thing slaxx and anyone else

i'm doing this to get someone lynched who, completely objectively, is scummy.

i laid it all out in 475. there are

objective

reasons to point to thespio not playing his towngame here. what else can i go off of?

i have no personal investment in slaxx being dead. do you think i would be screaming against a town that's just opposing me just because i find it fun or something?

there are objective reasons that i can't ignore. they point to slaxx's slot being scum. that gives me an obligation to ensure it gets lynched.

[Ruby Red]

This is my last post for the night, but what is your opinion of the replace outs? Seems like a lot to me, but I've been gone a long time, so maybe it's more common now.

sheep doesn't like us making reads based on replaces outs i'm pretty sure so i'm not gonna, not that i had anything to say anyways

i think they were annoying. can't really say whether or not they worsened the game

[Ruby Red]

joges and jib i am both fairly strongly townreading

[Ruby Red]

sometimes

[Ruby Red]

let me put it better:

i would on players that i am somewhat lost on how to read personally

[Ruby Red]

i have no problem with any of that

[Ruby Red]

can't wait for you to get townread for this

[Ruby Red]

my readslist was just the playerlist from post 0
I even left the * in there indicating 214chrnor's prod

i swear i recognized this unconsciously and just psyched myself out later

[Ruby Red]

eddie?

[Ruby Red]

my money's on TTTT scum on the slaxx wagon

[Ruby Red]

What TTTT left out of that post was there aren’t any scum games to compare Thespio’s play to.

not on-site

[Ruby Red]

my money's on TTTT scum on the slaxx wagon

I’d take that bet.

you still have to die first

[Ruby Red]

i crossed into being ridiculous...

by stating a fact.

[Ruby Red]

no, i haven't brought it up before. i don't see what's ridiculous about it.

whatever, this isn't a meaningful discussion. i'm just dropping this here.

[Ruby Red]

I think I can see why Ruby would push here given that Thespio never really got into this game in the way that he does for the others. So I agree that he was outside his meta. But that doesn't in and of itself make him scum, to be honest, particularly coming off the holidays.

normally i would agree with you but that isn't the case here

[Ruby Red]

oh lol i said "wasn't playing his scumgame" there at the end of the case huh

[Ruby Red]

is that some Blatant Pontificating of your own or are you asking me a question

[Ruby Red]

i don't think rb is "master"

[Ruby Red]

Weiss that posts sounds weird AF because he was clearly not telling the truth there.

We lynch me, Ruby is like of my god Slaxx was right because he has a history of being right and wow it’s all coming together

And then you lynch TTTT and go from there.

you know regardless of how you flip this game i'm going to be memeing on you in every single game we play from now on for some of the stuff you've said so far

you know that, right slaxx?

[Ruby Red]

did fl call my case garbage?

I think the first 3 points are just stating things that happened, and could be coming from town Thesp.

I think it’s a solid case, however.

4 especially, but I don’t necessarily think it makes him scum.

That is drastically different, but I have games where I’m just not able to put stuff together, and games where I have reads early and can make a case. Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?

[Ruby Red]

pretty decent reads, we basically have the same poe except i have jibril as town

i do think you should be careful about not letting or get too easy of a townread though

[Ruby Red]

Yeah, the mod lied to me when I asked if you had replaced back in so I think that made me a bit more confused

what

[Ruby Red]

From meta I know this is exactly how and what Flavour would do as town here, but its way less obvious to new players what ego posts are, and I question the use here beyond looking to trigger someone new.

rb isn't new

If I would accuse Flavour of overdoing it, I gotta cast an accusing eye at RR also.

no, you really don't

[Ruby Red]

I don't think Stanley is scum anymore because there were three really bad votes on his wagon. Even though his profile is scummy, it was a red flag. I think the plan is to lynch him today, and then let ruby tunnel me tomorrow, then lynch ruby the following day. That's what I would do as scum here.

nobody has ever mislynched me for pushing a town wagon and nobody ever will

[Ruby Red]

If it's just to sort a tunnel then it's pointless, tunnelers will just change their target.

categorically false

if slaxx is scum obviously i reconsider, nevermind that scum probably tries to take a shot at me

Creature you're currently on Flavor Leaf, but that was where your predecessor left your vote... are you too indifferent about it to unvote or are you ok with your vote there?

I'm actually okay with my vote there, I could also do RR.

wow, awesome

fucking why? because you think i'm RC or some shit?

[Ruby Red]

@mumble, hop on slaxx

[Ruby Red]

nobody has given me a reason why slaxx is a bad vote

[Ruby Red]

Ruby is stan town?

probs? i don't tr him but he wouldn't be my first vote after slaxx is lynched regardless of flip

[Ruby Red]

creature you didn't answer me

why am i potential scum in your eyes when slaxx isn't

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: slaxx

Are you voting him based on who had his slot last?

do you have a problem with that

[Ruby Red]

was i too quick to townclear mumble?

[Ruby Red]

prodge, too much to catch up on, will read up in the morning

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: tttt

[Ruby Red]

best normal game 2k19

the worst part is that i contributed to this

[Ruby Red]

i think tttt is likely scum and think you all should probably not be ignoring everything that went on yesterday that happened with slaxx as it seems is happening

mumble also prob scum