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You don't see value in naked votes even as a reaction test?In post 32, JunkoChan wrote:still don't like votes without a reason, even minimal-
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Sure. That doesn't answer my question though?In post 35, JunkoChan wrote:You can disguise anything as a reaction test tho
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Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to. Additionally, I don't think a scum rosterfoster mentions this thought process at all when it basically calls himself out for being wrong. I also had the same gut reaction to BuJaber's post as he did.In post 38, rosterfoster wrote:Except I just checked and I wrongly scumread that slot (they were actually town, deep) and we almost lynched them. So I think maybe I have a bias towards that kind of post.
A naked vote is not—particularly in RVS—scummy. Junko, why do you view it as scummy?
IMO, scum is much more likely to add fluff reasons why they're voting so that they can appear involved in the discussion. Naked voting draws too much attention.-
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I don't mean to come off as know-it-all, sorry.
I don't agree that naked votes are necessarily status quo for noob mafia though? What makes you say that? When I was noob mafia I was very into the whole "come up with a fun RVS excuse to blend in and look town like everyone else" camp. Naked voting stands out, as demonstrated by you calling it out, which makes me think it's not something mafia (mostly noob mafia) is as inclined to do.-
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Why would this attitude be scummy?In post 41, Egix96 wrote:Why should you be put off by someone naked-voting in RVS? I can't really say I agree with that attitude, it seems a bit scummy to me actually.
Speaking of bad RVS posts, I don't like this. It reads like an attempt to subtly let everyone know you'reIn post 18, Egix96 wrote:Hi guys.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
You've been a townie against maf!me, then an SK against maf!me...
Now let's see if you're a mafia against town!me.definitelytown this game but comes out a bit forced.-
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I'll explain later in this post but why is two townreads (the only ones I've mentioned, I believe) "too many?" Reads can change. Also, getting strong townreads early is one of the best ways to pin down mafia by process of elimination. This is a weak thing to criticize me for. You should criticize me for the actual reasoning behind my reads, like flubbernugget did, as that gets discussion going, not "having reads." Do townreads make you nervous?In post 69, BuJaber wrote:Why? You have too many townreads so soon into the game.
Do you have any other reads, BuJaber? Why is Gamma null-scum for not following the game closely? Does town always follow the game 100%?In post 71, BuJaber wrote:Gamma is null at best and slightly scummy for not following the game closely enough.
It's not the subject of the vote that I take issue with. It's that it's naked after Dann said he thinks scum are more inclined to post reasons with their votes than not.
Also, I'm not about to townread everyone who naked votes. Naked voting is NAI more often than not and not the reason I townread rosterfoster in the first place.
This is a rather empty question, which represents my main issue with this slot in general. Lots of questions that don't really do anything but try and look productive. People have already commented on this, Gamma is bound to realize and respond. What answer are you searching for other than "Oops I didn't read carefully?" There's also been more interesting things happening in this game than Gamma missing posts, why not comment on that or people's reads?In post 73, Egix96 wrote:You popped in just to say that, after I had already questioned it and been answered? Why?
She didn't FoS him, she voted him. If she thinks that's a noob scum tell, why wouldn't she vote him at that stage of the game? Also, note that she tried (and succeeded as far as I can tell) to break the game out of RVS, and was the very first one to do this not a page in. Does scum do that? I don't think so, particularly when she had the opportunity to continue with her roleplaying fluff with Gamma.In post 73, Egix96 wrote:I don't like that she seems to feel the need to FoS someone for not giving a reason for their vote, at a stage of the game where virtually all reasons for votes are just made up (or at least not pertinent to the game) anyway.
Which is it? You say I have too many townreads too early on and then you say you'd rather someone read too much into things than dismiss things as NAI.In post 76, BuJaber wrote:I'd rather have someone read too much into things and receive additional explanations than dismiss things as NAI by default. Excluding things like trying to analyze the mod or replacements or real life events etc.
UNVOTE: Egix
VOTE: BuJaber-
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I don't think pointing certain things out as town early on is necessarily bad. I'd argue D1 is (even early) one of the best times to get clear reads. I agree conf biasing is a danger and not good for town, but I consider that a separate issue.
As Flubbernugget has already noted, scum has a harder time keeping their story straight. The whole SHROOP theory is built around this concept that scum are more likely to be careful with their posting and revise things. So I don't agree that scum can skim things and usually be fine, that's a sign of really bad scum.In post 86, BuJaber wrote:Scum can skim things and usually be fine
Why is your vote still on Nikk, a player who has not yet picked up his role PM vs. Gamma, a player you yourself said is anti-town at best and at worst scummy?
What is your opinion on Egix not reading closely enough to see that Junko voted rosterfoster instead of FoSing him? Do you also think that's scummy?
In post 73, Egix96 wrote:I don't like that she seems to feel the need to FoS someone for not giving a reason for their vote, at a stage of the game where virtually all reasons for votes are just made up (or at least not pertinent to the game) anyway.In post 84, Egix96 wrote:
Yep, seems like that's what she did.In post 24, JunkoChan wrote:The game looks too cute, so the messed up things must be like REALLY messed up, I'll give it a try.
talking about seeing some shit, 19 is a really shitty vote even for rvs
VOTE: roosterfroster
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In post 31, Egix96 wrote:
But Jaber had made two posts prior to that vote? Or am I misunderstanding?In post 27, JunkoChan wrote:
Sure, vote with no context on someone who hasn't even posted yet are always ringing bells for me, call it a hunch or actual meta gaming, either way I don't like itIn post 26, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Explain.In post 24, JunkoChan wrote:The game looks too cute, so the messed up things must be like REALLY messed up, I'll give it a try.
talking about seeing some shit, 19 is a really shitty vote even for rvs
VOTE: roosterfrosterIn post 32, JunkoChan wrote:my bad, I think I skipped those, still don't like votes without a reason, even minimal
People aren't voting you for inactivity when there are three players who haven't even posted yet.In post 58, Gamma Emerald wrote:
But BuJaber has posted...In post 27, JunkoChan wrote:
Sure, vote with no context on someone who hasn't even posted yet are always ringing bells for me, call it a hunch or actual meta gaming, either way I don't like itIn post 26, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Explain.In post 24, JunkoChan wrote:The game looks too cute, so the messed up things must be like REALLY messed up, I'll give it a try.
talking about seeing some shit, 19 is a really shitty vote even for rvs
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Why do you see Sashaddin as more fencesitty? I don't really read him that way. Xwing isn't even fencesitty she's just going along with what everyone says.
This actually goes completely along with what has already been said before. Flubber said "town read on roster bad," but the rest of my play seems fine.In post 124, Persivul wrote:
I kinda sorta agree...i agree it seems like dann is *trying* to pocket,
But no, not really.but his later posts seems fine..
And then ofc:
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It's not even fencesitty it's just saying a lot without actually having anything to say yet.
VOTE: xwing-
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Are you just sheeping Persivul or do you have other reasons to vote here
What happened to your scum read on me?-
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Not off the hook for whatIn post 130, Egix96 wrote:Gamma's not completely off the hook yet though.
Not following the game closely?
not a fan of this justification for moving your vote but I don't think the Gamma wagon is good to begin with-
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Can you elaborate on this? Other people voting her could weigh in on this too. I don't see anything Gamma has done (or hasn't done) as scum indicative. I couldIn post 137, Egix96 wrote:I still don't think Gamma is town.maybesee pressure voting her to get her to pay attention to the game, but to say you don't think she's town at this point makes me think you're seeing something I'm not.-
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Why is this a scum read? What of the very little non RP that Gamma's done has been overtly scummy? Because the way you're phrasing your read here makes me think it could apply to any number of people at this stage of the game.In post 141, Egix96 wrote:Nothing Gamma has said makes me think they could be town. That's really all there is to it.-
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You believe the scum on the xwing wagon was the first player on the wagon? Do you think the xwing wagon is bad?In post 181, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mhm, I think I found the scum from the xwing wagon, the way you care none for which of us is lynched tell me both are equal in your eyes. This also indicates xwing is town, which I wasn't sure of yet.
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In post 190, Gamma Emerald wrote:I noted that a lot of people expressed interest in voting xwing before voting. Vote order doesn’t matter that much because of that.No one expressed interest before Persivul voted here, Gamma.
When does scum!persivulstarta strong wagon on xwing and then change his mind on both xwing and sash?
If you're looking for scum on the xwing wagon, what about these votes:
In post 133, Tchill13 wrote:In post 120, Persivul wrote:
The twoIn post 119, BuJaber wrote:
Then what was scummy about xwing's post?In post 118, Persivul wrote:He has three posts. Too early to say.I agrees.Looks like scum that doesn't know how to generate content but feels a need to put content up.VOTE: xwing
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If Persivul is scum, he stays on the xwing wagon. I don't think any of his play makes sense as scum.
I gave Gamma a pass early game because I don't think not following the game closely is necessarily a scum tell, but after that she's just been blatantly getting things wrong.
Obviously, voting Persivul for BS reasons is bad, but also framing it in a way to allow herself to outright ignore themuch scummiervotes in Roster and Tchill feels intentional. This isn't just not paying attention, it's contrived.
VOTE: Gamma
I feel good about [Persivul, Flubber, Junko]
I'm feeling less good about Roster now.
I'm actually very very uneasy about Slaxx coming in and instantly townreading me, sheeping my initial read on Roster, and just generally going along with popular consensus (similar feelings to the first xwing post but less obvious). I also don't think Persivul is where you vote if you're having trouble getting a scum read.
pedit: I think BuJaber is also more likely town now-
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@Tchill, do you still think xwing is scummy?
What are your reads? #266 is a BS excuse. You don't have to go in depth about your reads, not many people are or even can do that at this point of the game with any legitimacy. Giving basic thoughts on the players in the game shouldn't be difficult.-
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Eh, scum reading Junko for lurking is kind of weak. Tchill and roster both have less posts than her.In post 306, Sashaddin wrote:Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber
Notables suspects:
Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking
I still think she's town for her early game push onto rosterfoster, though this is a little suspect:
In post 102, JunkoChan wrote:sometimes I have gotten the feeling of someone being scum right after their first post, I'm not a god or anything but it happensIn post 274, JunkoChan wrote:sorry for low participation my early game reads are not the best-
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You're note about BuJaber is interesting though. BuJaber, you still scum read Sashaddin, yea? Why did you move to the Gamma wagon?In post 281, BuJaber wrote:
Why?In post 263, xwing wrote:im not a fan of a scum!sasha anymore..
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I can't help but notice you're not voting anyone? Why wouldn't you vote one of your "notable suspects" to apply pressure?In post 306, Sashaddin wrote:Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber
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Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking
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You don't have strong scum reads but you aren't currently questioning people or attempting to gather better reads for yourself. With your vote on no one right now it looks like you're just content on posting read lists to look town without actually forwarding the state of the game. If the Gamma wagon is so mystifying to you why don't you question it? Or use your vote to pressure people who jumped in for "whatever reasons?"
"I vote easier when I'm more convinced" reads like you just don't want to look suspicious for voting for poor reasons, or you can't find good ones (which again you should be actively looking for those, which you are not). It's early D1, no one's reasons are particularly good. Regardless, your vote is your weapon, use it to find a better place to put it if you must.
VOTE: Sashaddin
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Like, you're justIn post 209, Sashaddin wrote:The fact that pushing you to L-1 would make you vulnerable to lolhammers and quickhammers. We've only started, I didn't my position was strong enough on you to push this hard, contextually.
Now that your wagon has thinned, I can vote a bit more at peace. I'll reread you in our previous game to see how you compare when I have time though.soconscious of how your vote is going to look as opposed to what it actually does and that doesn't feel particularly town. Do you tend to do this in all of your games?-
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Except my point is you're not making talk, you posted a generic reads list and aren't really attempting to sort people better or clear up confusing aspects of the game to you. If you aren't using your vote, and you aren't doing that, you're effectively doing nothing.In post 315, Sashaddin wrote:Making talk is good, too much pressure lead to myslynches imho.
You town read Haschel for these points and yet you don't townread me for making the exact same points earlier in the game. Why?In post 327, Sashaddin wrote:
I reallly liked the posts 239 to 242. really objective and to the point.In post 322, Egix96 wrote:Why is Haschel a strong townread for you?I also have a hard time imagining 280 coming from scum, especially points 3 and 4.
In post 280, Haschel Cedricson wrote: 3) Voting for the towniest person on the xwing wagon and simultaneously saying that would make tchill town.
4) When pushed on why Persival of the three options, came up with reasoning that didn't make sense. When it was pointed out that Persival was first on the wagon, Gamma made up a justification that was not only ideologically shaky but also demonstrably false. That smacks of scum making a vote and finding reasoning for it later.In post 210, Dannflor wrote:No one expressed interest before Persivul voted here, Gamma.
When does scum!persivul start a strong wagon on xwing and then change his mind on both xwing and sash?
If you're looking for scum on the xwing wagon, what about these votes:In post 253, Dannflor wrote:If Persivul is scum, he stays on the xwing wagon. I don't think any of his play makes sense as scum.
I gave Gamma a pass early game because I don't think not following the game closely is necessarily a scum tell, but after that she's just been blatantly getting things wrong.
Obviously, voting Persivul for BS reasons is bad, but also framing it in a way to allow herself to outright ignore themuch scummiervotes in Roster and Tchill feels intentional. This isn't just not paying attention, it's contrived.
VOTE: Gamma
I was going to keep my vote on Sash, but I actually looked at his meta since that's the main argument for town!Sash, and I have to agree his play matches his town games more. However, I'm not ready to strongly townread him as in his other town games he still took on a more active questioning role which I have yet to see here.In post 314, Persivul wrote:
Am I missing something? This reads like,In post 261, Tchill13 wrote:YeahI'm still fine with my xwing vote. Especially considering it went from the leading wagon and the game turned to multiple wagons with multiple votes. That means we're pretty divided on where to go.All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.yeah I'm fine parking my vote somewhere that I know it's not doing any good.
Tchill, on the other hand, disappeared as soon as pressure started being applied to him (maybe hoping it would blow over and another wagon would catch our attention?), and his last post is a BS "I don't wanna share my reads." Let's get him talking.
VOTE: Tchill
I agree on Slaxx, though I'm leaning more town as of now. I also reread Gamma's ISO and feel less good about that, namely due to #251. Looking forward to the fabled rosterfoster catch up post.-
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I'd honestly just like a response from anything from the last ~6 pages before a claim even.
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I believe you're conflating Sashaddin and rosterfoster hereIn post 360, JunkoChan wrote:he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him-
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I thought you were calling out Sashaddin for white knighting here but then your later post makes me think you're talking about rosterIn post 348, JunkoChan wrote:
looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?In post 346, Sashaddin wrote:
Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?In post 339, JunkoChan wrote:Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm
also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill
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Hey, everyone! On a computer now so I can be a bit more thorough.
- is a lazy mislynch in my opinion. The "too scummy to be scum" argument is usually WIFOM, but I think it fits in Gamma's case. She tries a lot harder when scum. Scum doesn't come into the day with #391, draw attention to themselves, and then proceed to do... nothing. In general, Gamma's kinda lame early game questioning fits my experience with her town meta, it's how she tries to get herself into the game. Also, there's NO reason as scum in #181 to go after Persivul when there are a few strong wagons going already on (presumably) town, it just draws attention to himself. This isn't scum trying to drive a mislynch, it's town trying too hard. His subsequent backing off in #251 town pings me as well.Gamma
- I've explained some reasons I thought roster was town already. Slaxx thought the same! while we're looking at dead people's reads. He can also be town pretty much for #334 alone. I don't think scum goes, "hey this is my biggest scum read and a convincing case against him, but I'm going to vote my buddy who is in danger of being lynched instead." The attitude of pushing a wagon as opposed to a lynch he believes won't go anywhere is also a town outlook on the game. Scum!roster tries way harder to push Bujaber or literally anyone as a counterwagon to his buddy here.Roster
- I'm not gonna explain these town reads right now, they aren't in order. If you have questions about them specifically, I'll explain. I've already been over Junko, everything she's posted since then has been VERY town. I am least sure of my xwing and Egix reads here, but I still think they're pretty solidly town over the remaining slots.Junko
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- Conflicted about this slot. The fact that he never voted Tchill LOOKS bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's scum. A lot of his posts flaky with poor reasoning and awkward pushes. But, this slot also gives me easy mislynch bait vibes. #382 and #408 seem just way too on the nose to come from scum.Sashaddin
- Scum. Persivul has touched on this, but I'll reiterate in more detail for people who aren't quite getting it yet. BuJaber has 23 posts. A large percentage of them are dedicated to talking about how the game should be played and game theory rather than this game itself. This is a textbook way for scum to appear involved in the game without actually risking anything. Posts #86 and #103 are particularly guilty of this. They're thicc blocks of text that really don't say much at all and advance the game exactly 0%. Additionally, BuJaber mentioned Tchill exactly once to say he was null-leaning slightly scummy, despite the face that he was a driving wagon.BuJaber
Let's look at the end of day VC.
Looking at this, we can basically clear xwing. Tchill isn't going to be bussing his buddy D1. In fact, I highly doubt there was any bussing going on in a game of this size and on D1. Sashaddin MAYBE could've been doing it because of his awkward switch away end of day, but the smartest place for scum to be is riding the counter wagon, which was most consistently the Gamma wagon throughout D1. Who is still on the Gamma wagon and failed to even mention Tchill more than once despite him being the most prominent wagon in the game? Bujaber.In post 387, Mewtaph wrote:[7]:Tchill13Persivul(199),xwing(263),Dannflor(328),JunkoChan(339),rosterfoster(365),Egix96(378),Slaxx(385)
[2]:[/color]Gamma EmeraldHaschel Cedricson(59),BuJaber(281)
[1]:[/color]xwingTchill13(133)
[1]:[/color]JunkoChanSashaddin(374)
[2] Not Voting:Gamma Emerald(251),Flubbernugget(370)
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
VOTE: Bujaber
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I don't think Slaxx was killed for this.In post 358, Slaxx wrote:I’m scumreading Sash again, especially if tchill flips red here.
This is most likely what he was killed for. It could be interpreted to mean that Slaxx is a PR that specifically makes Tchill's desperate claim very unbelievable due to game balance or setup. I think he was intentionally trying to draw the NK.
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To spend so much energy on explaining your reads this early on in the game is only fine if your reads are actually substantive. Most of your reads involve you calling people slightly scummy. Then once you call me, Haschel, and Junko "more townie" than Slaxx. Reading through your ISO I don't really get a strong sense of who you think is town or scum at all, which coincidentally is the same thing we crucified Tchill for.In post 432, BuJaber wrote:@Dann - your case on me ignores that my posts are explaining reasoning behind my reads. It also assumes that I am scum and that gamma is town before it begins to analyze the wagons and not after.
There is no reasonable reason to think that gamma was actually a counterwagon to tchill. Tchill votes piled up far too quickly for a typical day 1. I was unsure on what that meant. Gamma who was my top scumread early on was not posting and engaging with me so I had no reason to change my vote before getting a response. Also from my experience the first 1 or 2 wagons that get up there on day 1 always dissipate. I wanted to vote gamma so gamma responds to me and to see how others react, I doubt it would have even been hammered but it had to look like real pressure. And while waiting and trying to sort the nullslots I was talking to other scumreads like sasha and xwing.
You don't like how I sort what is scummy and what isn't you can give me your feedback after the game but let's not start changing the narrative of day 1 in hindsight. It's easy to call tchill scum after he flips. For me it is my first game with him, and from what I could tell he was pretty much just not posting much. Activity is not a reliable scumtell.
Sorry I wasn't on a wagon about to be hammered 4 days before deadline. I don't vote for people just cause others are.
You vote Gamma here, a good chunk of the way through the day, without actually asking him anything. You asked him questions earlier, but HE did respond and back off in post #251. YOU are changing the narrative of the day.In post 281, BuJaber wrote:
Why?In post 263, xwing wrote:im not a fan of a scum!sasha anymore..
VOTE: Gamma
I hate pretty much the entirety of your response to my case because it reads as one big AtE. Also, I have good reason to town read Gamma.-
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Junko, are you saying this post was meant for scum PT? Or are you referring to something else?In post 436, Persivul wrote:Let's get some intent on Blu. Assuming this goes through, I'm targeting sash tonight.-
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I want a claim and an answer to the above before any flip.In post 464, Dannflor wrote:BuJaber, what are your thoughts on Sashaddin? You neglect to mention him in your list of scummy Tchill votes. What do you think of his activity towards the end of D1 and interaction with the Tchill wagon? What is your read on him?
Yea this is a bad post and a good catch by xwing. "Slaxx's read" and "wagon dynamics" are both flaky non-reasons to join a wagon. In general I think I'm leaning towards Sash being newer awkward town, not scum, but maybe that gut is wrong.In post 421, Flubbernugget wrote:Uh yeah between slaxx's read, the wagon dynamics, and whatever the hell 408 just was,
VOTE: sash
One scum is among [roster, Bujaber] and I strongly think Bujaber. The other is probably among my town reads.-
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Flubber was off the Tchill wagon end of day too. He never voted Tchill until he was basically forced into it to begin with. He gave intent to hammer but scum will do that to an obviously doomed lynch anyway for town cred. If BuJaber flips scum then a Flubber/BuJaber scum team looks likely actually.-
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In post 434, BuJaber wrote:Flubber could also be scum here because he was the only one that voted for tchill but then unvoted.
Hmmmm maybe I'm confbiasingIn post 435, Flubbernugget wrote:Uhhh
You do realize I had all of two minutes to hammer after the claim right?
I'll think about it.
For now I think Bujaber is still the best lynch over Sashaddin-
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Yes, thank you this is what I want. Explain your Egix scum read?In post 503, BuJaber wrote:If you just want all the current reads in one post for clarity,
Town or townlean: {haschel, dann, persivul, junko}
Null but not scum if sasha is: {gamma, xwing}
Scum or scumlean: {sashaddin, roster, egix, flubber}