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VOTE: TemporalLich
disagree with you agreeing with me-
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Don't like the addition of "don't think there's anything scummy about that"
Is town so concerned with their actions being perceived as scummy, esp this early on over something so little?
Why did you choose to naked vote someone who hasn't posted yet as opposed to interacting with someone who has? It's true that they will be there eventually but you haven't given them anything to react to/produce content with-
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I like to grill awkward town first to make sure they're awkward town and not awkward scum.In post 36, Yumeko Jabami wrote:However, post 33 by Dannflor looks like scum grilling awkward town to me... or at least it's what I'd expect to be happening. Dannflor would certainly be the logical place to place a vote right now.
Just paranoia, mostly.In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:Explain? I take special interest in this post due to past problems with early agreeing with people.
For example, this response is very town imo. In my experience, scum will try a lot harder to justify themselves when put under pressure early. This is too simple for that.In post 45, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I mean it’s just RVS I wanted to vote someone who hadn’t been voted yet
Haha, true. Also town pings though. DDL has faced some suspicion and just had a case built on him, and choosing to soft defend his potential counter wagon,:not the best choice for scum.In post 48, DrDolittle wrote:I think this is just Dannflor looking like a Dannflor. Most likely not AI
Yuck. Don't like this entrance. Comes in and calls one random post towny with no explanation and then hops on an already built wagon while adding nothing to it.
VOTE: Lovebird
Lovebird, if you're lacking town reads, why don't you try questioning people to change that? Or, at the very least add something of value to the DDL wagon by interrogating him or building a different case. Your entrance just jumps on the easiest wagon without adding anything else.-
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That's like four people now who've called me or one of my posts scummy without actually voting for me
Why do you think DDL was the best place to put your vote?In post 60, Lovebird wrote:I don't ask questions because I didn't think of any. I don't think I'm good at questions to figure people out. I'm not in a rush. So, I'm fine with waiting to see things-
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Emperor's responses have been very town
How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from thatSince he said random, then that he wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then random again... his vote is baseless and Lovebird is town. That's a complete 360 right there.
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And that's what I concluded after questioning him, but I wanted to make sure. I would have voted him if I thought it was enough to really go on.In post 109, Mary Saotome wrote:ewwww ew ew ew. You're grasping at straws so early! Who cares if he says his action wasn't scummy. Newsflash, it wasn't. That's not really the point here though. You're pushing him because he said so? Yeah that's more likely to come from town because scum know this kind of stuff gets pushed on. Even if he didn't the way you're phasing this statement is gross.It was a RVS with probably no thought put into it.
Also, I think grasping at straws is exactly what you should do early on until you're able to get a better grasp on the game.-
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It's not entirely useless considering Slaxx did this very thing in the VC just before his post.In post 109, Mary Saotome wrote:Baka. What is this useless question for? The answer here is obviously no. Of course, it's not okay to do this. You bringing up this topic in the first place is dumb!-
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Depends on the situation, that's why I wanted to pressure Emperor to explain himself to find out. I think if he was scum, he would've tried a little harder to justify himself and cover for the (yes slightly ridiculous) reason people were attacking him for.In post 112, Mary Saotome wrote:What makes someone awk town and what makes them awk scum. Kinda hard to tell if you ask me.
What do you qualify as getting the game moving? My push helped me sort Emperor, though I'll agree Gamma coming in and restating the same spew after people had moved on is not a good look and definitely doesn't move the game forward or help in sortingIn post 114, Mary Saotome wrote:It depends how serious the push is. If it was clearly to try and get the game moving and nothing else I'd agree. That isn't the case with a lot of these pushes though!
Who are your two town reads? Emperor obviously and...?-
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I also think along these lines. Specifically, the ways people get defensive (or lack of defensiveness) can be telling.In post 119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think being directly confronted makes people more transparent, and thus easier to sort.
What do you two think about Lovebird's entrance and subsequent wagon hop? Scummy or just lazy town?
Gamma, what does this post mean?
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If you believe this, why not vote for her?In post 126, Gamma Emerald wrote:Maybe it's the roleplaying but Mary Saotome's play seems very agenda-driven.-
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I never voted for EmperorIn post 139, Hopkirk wrote:@Mary: what would you have considered to be a legitimate, not just ‘convenient’ reason for Dan to vote Emperor? The phrasing ‘convenient’ feels odd.-
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if I remember correctly*In post 166, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Who’s iirc I looked at everyone & couldn’t figure it out
It happened in a game I played with him and it's what I remember from doing a meta dive on him previously
I don't like Gamma unvoting, calling another slot sus, and then failing to vote that slot
Vedith, could you elaborate on your Lich town read? His behavior is not what I'd expect from a new player tbh so I'm not following your logic here-
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I'd expect less confidence and "willingness to be under pressure" as you put it and more waffleing. As both alignments. I don't think the fact that he's a new player really impacts my read in this case.
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I said the fact that he's new is NAI, since he's not behaving like I would expect a new player of either alignment to act. I'm treating the slot like I would any other particularly as I have no meta to compare with him to see if he really would be more worried about how he's read as scum.-
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I don't think them being new is AI.
My scum read is off their play putting aside the fact that they're new.
Your reason for town reading is the fact that they're new?-
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I said the way they're playing isn't what I'd expect from a new player.In post 187, Vedith wrote:But you said the way they are playing isn't what you expect from either alignment?
So your reason for them as scum is their play, which you don't expect town or scum to do?!
As a regular player, his play is scummy imo
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What about voting her doesn't give a chance to respond? She's not a major wagon or at L-1. At this stage your vote should be on someoneIn post 190, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I want to give her a chance to respond.-
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You can change your vote at any timeIn post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:Her response could change my mind, so I didn't vote yet.-
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You have 3 votes actually, I believeIn post 197, Gamma Emerald wrote:I actually try to contribute to a game I'm in with Dannflor and I get turbowagoned Day 1. Fuck efforting I'll just coast as town from now on.
Dunno what Emperor is on-
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That's exactly what I was thinkingIn post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Are you scared of what it would look like if you voted someone because you were suspicious and then changed your mind and unvoted after your suspicions were assuaged?-
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I'm having a hard time understanding/parsing your posts I thinkIn post 196, Vedith wrote:What's the difference of that vote to 18?
It seems that because more people mentioned 76 you jumped onto it?
18 is a worlds apart RVS post
I don't know what you mean about 76, it's the post that caught my attention and my vote-
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I don't see #18 as that awkward
You prompted me to look at the timing of the post though, and Lich hops from the DDL wagon from an equal sized wagon on Emperor. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing that and possibly drawing attention to himself, unless DDL/Lich are buddies but I'm not sure that makes sense. Maybe it is just awkward town.
You've convinced me vedith
UNVOTE: Lich
VOTE: Hopkirk
I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions-
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TBH, I initially interpreted your post as you "don't like Lich as the lynch," because your post makes 0 sense otherwise.
What do you think about the fact that TL hopped equal strength wagons in #76 when he could have just stayed on DDL easily?
If you think TL is still the lynch, why don't you vote it? If you're still trying to get a read on Gamma, she's been around, interact with her.-
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Meaning she's nowhere near L-1 unless I missed a lot of votesIn post 208, Emperor flippyNips wrote:What do you mean?-
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I answered you already Emperor, I was referring to you saying Gamma was at L-1.
whyIn post 221, RadiantCowbells wrote:No-
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Don't think town cares as much about looking suspicious. Why doesn't it seem realistic?In post 230, Lovebird wrote:IDK, that doesn't seem realistic. And, wouldn't that be towny anyways?
Gamma, I fail to understand why you aren't using your vote to pressure/get reactions out of people. It looks like you're trying to play overly safe.
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Why do you believe Lich is the lynch for the day?In post 219, Hopkirk wrote:Process is ongoing, but I am getting reads/thoughts/questions out of the vote.-
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DDL and I have played one game together I believe. We were both town and I pushed him initially until I did a meta dive on him.In post 247, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Furthermore, would you say DDN's playstyle holds a special exemption to what you said here, or do you think this isn't an applicable situation?
I would like to pressure this slot eventually and get a solid read but I don't think voting it right now is going to do anything so I'm waiting for him to actually start playing the game.
@RC, I know you think TL is still the best lynch, but opinion on Gamma/Hopkirk?-
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What suggests that SSBM is town to you?In post 265, TemporalLich wrote:There is nothing that suggests SSBM could be scum. Fight me.-
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How did you get that second part + enough to say "probably town" after two posts from Kyouko at the beginning of the game?In post 274, TemporalLich wrote:There's nothing scummy in his ISO. Of course, nothing scummy is merely neutral at worst.
To add some weight to the town_Kyouko theory, he seems to be of the confident demeanor so he won't back down if the pressure were to ever fall on him.-
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Yep I remember this in particular, and it stuck out because you ended up being town. Sure, we're friends!In post 278, DrDolittle wrote:Cause in the game Dann and I played I literally expressed exasperation over "get scum read for not doing much early game regardless of alignment". Dann are we friends? I would say so.-
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In post 276, DrDolittle wrote:Eyes on Dannflor. Feeling definitely a bit uneasy here.
Hm? Did your uneasiness fade, or...?In post 280, DrDolittle wrote:Thoughts on gamma + dann aligns with me.-
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Did you want to answer this:
In post 277, Dannflor wrote:
How did you get that second part + enough to say "probably town" after two posts from Kyouko at the beginning of the game?In post 274, TemporalLich wrote:There's nothing scummy in his ISO. Of course, nothing scummy is merely neutral at worst.
To add some weight to the town_Kyouko theory, he seems to be of the confident demeanor so he won't back down if the pressure were to ever fall on him.-
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you are wronggggIn post 306, Vedith wrote:Gamma and Dann for scum so far. I'm not wrong.-
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I believe we still have a good amount of time, I just don't see a countdown anywhere.
I didn't realize I was the L-1 but I'm fine being that. I have a lot of town reads right now and I think a Lich flip is best and will help me sort regardless of alignment (though I do really think it's a scum flip now)
My only worries right now are Gamma and DDL skating by/not really commenting on the TL wagon in their cases, but that just makes a flip here more important.-
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Aight not a lot of time today but here's the scoop
SSBM is also my strongest town read DDL, I can quote her specific quotes later that really exemplify this but honestly if you ISO them and they're questioning/logic throughout the game it looks really obv town imo
In response to Vedith asking me for more reasoning, I think it's been laid out by RC pretty well so far. I think I was overthinking with my previous wagon hopping argument. The strongest point I've seen for town!lich, is Mary's (I think she was the one who made it) point about scum trying to coach him. Honestly though, I think Lich already put himself in a hole with his previous posting. His posting since than has been pretty WTF with SKs and stuff, in a way that to me does not read genuine. It feels like trying really hard to seem like dumb newbie because that's the best and only defense he has.
In addition, there's so much fucking resistance to this wagon. You're painting this narrative of scum just sitting back and being happy but I don't see that here. I see Lich being scum and his partners being among Yumeko/DDL/Gamma/Mary trying desperately to get counter wagons going and painting this as an easy mislynch. The only person I could see as scum on the Lich wagon is Lovebird. Probably, it's a town driven wagon on scum caught early, and scum are working really hard to make sure this lynch doesn't go through because if it does the game looks bad for them.
I don't know why you are trying so hard to fight this lynch when it seems it helps your reads a lot to know this flip. If Lich is indeed town, he's obviously not a strong player (sorry) by the way he's playing. I honestly don't really know where your scum read on me comes at all here, and I think we should lynch this, it'll probably flip red, and then you can refocus because whatever beef you have with RC has tilted you and your reads into the ground.
idk if i missed anything but still 100% think this is the best lynch today, flip gives a lot of information either way too-
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^^^In post 461, xwing wrote:im really annoyed with vedith but i think he's town..
Highly doubt scum hard defends his buddy all day and then changes his mind right before they're about to be lynched. If anything, especially with day chat, they'd be working to distance each other and build good associatives before the flip. That assumes this flips red of course but I don't really doubt that-
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The wagon has a lot of resistance for what it should have imo if it really was an easy mislynchIn post 478, Mary Saotome wrote:AHAHAHA don't make me laugh! You say the Lichi wagon has resistance? You're wrong. The only other person you could calla 'wagon' is Gamma who is in your little list. So do you think town has just nailed the scumteam? No, the only big wagon has been Lichi all game. I won't go into details on how the Lichi wagon doesn't make me look bad (because that should be obvious) but you're really making me laugh with how bad of a post this is. I just need to figure out if your backwards logic is coming from town or scum.
Vedith and Yumeko have defended him pretty hard
There's also passive resistance in both the Gamma wagon and players like Gamma and DDL straight up ignoring the slot. I don't know why you think I'm saying town has just nailed the scum team and it bother me that you took that out of what I was saying. I said that's where I see potential partners because I'm fairly certain this flips red. I don't think me listing like 5 people counts as "town nailing the scum team." That's such a strange thing to say-
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Although, in regards to your earlier points, I do think I overstated how much resistance the wagon had. That was a knee jerk reaction to Vedith using the game state to case why it was a mislynch. I however do think that there is a decent amount of resistance and the type of resistance it is makes this more likely scum than not. This might be case where I'm conf biasing super hard but I don't know how to read this game and not see Lich as scum at this point