Mini Normal 2060: World Architecture [Endgame]

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Posting from mobile but initial thoughts:

Chenn’s thing about the playerlist being smaller seems town and not faked
TChill is being way more proactive and open with his reads than he was as scum in our last game

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Noted

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VOTE: Emperor Flippy Nips

Lots of active lurkers and gimmicks but this one stands out.

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Hell yeah it was great they get you attached to all these characters then BOOOM. Idk how I’ll feel about the others when they’re a complete trilogy that might change something but right here right now Rouge One all the way

Posts like these that show they’re paying attention but going out of their way to not post anything game-related.

Jibril isn’t posting a lot but they have a couple of game-related posts.

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Jibrils posts are always yuck. They’re a policy lynch or later sort. Let’s call it what it is.

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I did think that there were later posts in Flippys ISO, didn’t realize they were all that early. Thanks for that context.

Still a good vote though.

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Jibs play IS like NMs though, SS. I’ve played with both-alignments Jib and the play is just withdrawn and meme-y.

Are we playing Mafia or “policy lynch the bad slots?”

Like I’m the first to say that being a bad town player doesn’t mean you can’t be scum but there’s so many policy-lynchable people in this game I find it very suspect we are focusing on Jibril.

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I’m gonna be blunt here

There’s too many shitty players to be an advocate of policy lynching this game

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That’s not meant to be specific to any one player and I’m not going to name them.

It’s a rough list.

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“Bad at obvtowning” is probably better than shitty so let’s use that.

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I find it very suspect we are focusing on Jibril.

sounds like youre saying scum is voting jibril - so who would you say is scummy on his wagon ?

Pers or PP. Chenn and TChill are townreads.

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Yeah I know.

I’m leaning more towards Pers after ISOing both of you.

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SS, But have you played with town Jib?

These arguments about meta baffle me sometimes.

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VOTE: Mr. DrWorm

There’s a perfectly good flippy wagon

Are we lynching dr Worm cuz scum or cuz annoying?

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Not for sure what to make of the claim, doesn’t really change much tbh.

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Oh I typically refer to any vote as a wagon.

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Not for sure what to make of the claim, doesn’t really change much tbh.

It got votes off me, which is what I wanted.

...

Ok

Got any reads?

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Do you manufacture your reads locally or is it all done overseas?

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FlipNips is town.

Nah

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I think saying he couldn’t make that post up as scum is a stretch. It seemed pretty typically fence-sitty and just rehashing points other people touched on re: the claim.

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UNVOTE:

That’s more Townie.

I’ll comb through the thread again.

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I actually thought that was more town.

FN scum could have easily left an opening for the Jibril wagon there. It’s a popular one.

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Why am I in your PoE enter?

You’ve pushed Mohab for a bit and went as far as say he was scumposting, but then voted me, who you haven’t really said much about.

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PP/Chenn/TChill/Emperor/FL

Is kind of the vague town group I’m working with this game.

PP mainly due to having similar reads, Chenn I’ve explained, TChill for his general game difference and his “don’t meta me from that game post”, Emperor and FL I think have the potential to be the same alignment and FL is a weak townread and Flip is a stronger one due to his reluctance to leave an opening for Jibril wagon in his reads when he was a competing wagon. FL stuck his neck out farther than S/T would need to for Flip, so I think that’s probably T/T.

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VOTE: Emperor Flippy Nips

Lots of active lurkers and gimmicks but this one stands out.

Hell yeah it was great they get you attached to all these characters then BOOOM. Idk how I’ll feel about the others when they’re a complete trilogy that might change something but right here right now Rouge One all the way

Posts like these that show they’re paying attention but going out of their way to not post anything game-related.

Jibril isn’t posting a lot but they have a couple of game-related posts.

This reads fake, and I haven't seen you do anything that makes me think you're town.

That's why you're on my scum list.

First I’m hearing of it. What about it reads fake?

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Then I remembered what game I was in and got scared of three people jumping on all at once

that would be some serious insanity

and how come chen isnt in your pool

We have at least three certified (by me) insane people in this game, so not out of the question.

Also, you glossed over this Enter.

I think Chen is town but I’m curious as to why you do.

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Also, you’re not really trying to get a read on me. You’ve written my slot off as lynchable and aren’t concerned with my actual thought processes or flip. Same for Mohab, actually.

You’re not really interacting in a way with your votes that makes it evident you’re discerning their alignments.

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I asked Jibril for a reads list, tried to press Emp with a sassy comment, literally just gave a list of why my townreads are the way they are, and am currently engaging with you. And I’ve been here like... 2 days?

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Also my dialogue with SS re: Jibril.

There’s been quite a bit actually.

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What about my posts makes me look more like someone trying to look Town than to solve?

And are you seriously asking me to explain why my reads feel fake to you? That’s literally your job here.

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What about my posts makes me look more like someone trying to look Town than to solve?

And are you seriously asking me to explain why my reads feel fake to you? That’s literally your job here.

You asked me to explain why I'm scumreading you and I gave it to you. Why are you complaining?

You have yet to explain why any of my posts are scummy besides that they feel faked.

I ask you why they feel faked, and you asked me why you feel that they are faked. I literally think that’s where we are at right now.

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Yeah that's pretty close to it.

And... that’s where you want to leave the conversation at?

Not expanding on why the reads come off disingenuous? Or refuting any of the points about my interactions with others I listed? Or pick my brain about any of my thought processes?

Are you absolutely sure you want to leave the conversation right here?

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This might be a weird nitpick but isn’t the adjective usually after the alignment?

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PP he softed cop with the little poem thing

I started pressuring him because he wasn’t playing much like a powerful PR would

Idk

If he’s Ascetic then mafia have to choose whether to kill him or risk him getting results so I don’t think he’s ever the lynch today

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Well it is a bad idea if they’re town. He’s Ascetic.

Enter for future reference you should probably be less aggressive as town and actually stand behind your pushes. I believe the claim is real.

Here’s my logic:
He can’t be roleblocked due to Ascetic. So he’s going to get results and he can’t be protected. Mafia won’t keep him to be mislynched, because after two nights he can clear or catch two people which is a terrible trade off. So I say let him live.

Pedit: Welp fuck this game

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I feel like I just signed myself up for intermittent frustration for a month

I’m more inclined to believe NMs claim if it’s a serious CC, given he claimed it right away and Enter wasnt playing like PR.

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My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

What was any of this

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FL. You think the game is solved with TChill and one of Ss/Me?

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Oh, I thought you quoted a different post.

That was my read on the slots of the four. I don’t understand your statement at all. Do you want me to not give insight, because that’s not gonna happen.

That’s a scummy post by you, and it seems like you’re only doing it because your buddy is getting wagon’d, and you want to try hatcheting me before it goes down.

This is a stretch. How did you get a chainsaw vibe from my post? The post I asked about was barely coherent.

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My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

You’re going to tell me that you genuinely think this post didn’t need clarification?

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I’m obviously testing something here with Sheep.

I think that defeats the purpose if you explicitly stating.

What in the hell are you doing.

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Which previous posts provide that context?

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I get that the post was justifications for the lynch but they are very empty. I tend to scrutinize vague accusations like the top two bullet points of 559.

The language in itself was weird but it looks like posting just to post without saying anything as well. Those aren’t in-game reasons for reads, they’re just platitudes.

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For example, you could say “their alignment will become clear” or “they’re projecting” about any read but it doesn’t really highlight how you got to that point.

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Your previous post has more vague statements like “from their positioning in the game”

I’m not shutting this conversation down because it’s pertinent on getting a read on you.

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Pertinent to? Not pertinent on. Contingent on.

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You need to get a read on me, alright.

You think ScumFL, a known person who doesn’t like to hardbus, move the wagon after not posting much, to a scum partner, and get him lynched within a couple pages?

You don’t think I could have figured a way out of going through with that as scum?

First off, I don’t know your scum game.

Secondly, Im leaning town on you based on Worm interactions but that doesn’t mean I just conftown you the rest of the game. This discussion could be beneficial now or much later.

I’m trying to dig into your thought process and you’re dancing around it.

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Whatever. This interaction is here for later. I’m not pushing it any more.

Also, this will probably get me strung up, but we should consider the primary watcher could be Mafia.

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is slaxx the type that always shuts down tests?

big fan of boonskies tests here. I encourage them for the most part (he's not a god he's occasionally wrong) Usually only use them after a town flip because he does the same shit as scum. You can usually tell when he's scum if he keeps mislynching. His reads are too good on a regular basis to be constantly pushing town players.

I didn’t shut it down. He, I thought at the time, inadvertently shut it down himself.

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Which makes me start to lean Chennis scum

You think a wagon that fast with that many lower-effort votes had zero scum on it?

The last all town scum wagon I had on Day 1 almost killed me it was so hard to get through.

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IF ANYBIDY PUTS ENTRE TO L-1 I CAN"T PROMIS I WON'T HAMMMMEERR!! DR WORM WILL TRY NOT TO DO IT BUT I PROBIBLY WILL!!

Enter. Remember what I said about policy? This is why I won't put people at L-1 until I am ready for them to be hammered.

I've seen Dr. Worm lolhammer all the time. Voting you is akin to lynching you.

WHY CHUMBADEN talk to ENTRE LIKE THIS IF HE SCUMLEAN??

This seems like some shade throwing more than distancing. Chenn is probably town and if they flip scum I’m willing to deal with the reprucussions of that.

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VC 1.07

Russia

votes

[5] Jibril

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Tchill13 234, Persivul 242, PenguinPower 245, chennisden 250, Sad Sheep 268

[3] Enter

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Emperor flippyNips 15, Mohab500 52, Not_Mafia 205

[1] Emperor flippyNips

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Slaxx 260

[1] Dr Worm

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Enter 276

[3] Not Voting

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Dr Worm, Flavor Leaf 78, Jibril 209

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-03-08 13:43:59)

Mod Notes

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PARSLYVILLE is MOST SCUM on JIBROL WAGON!!

EVERYBIDY ELSE on wagon TROWN in DR WORM"S HEART!! NOT EVERYBIDY!! PONGWIN NULL!!

VOTE: PARSLYVILLE

Putting this here so I don’t forget.

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THIS makes NO SENCE TOOOOOO!! PONGWIN is voting DR WORM right now!! Why ENTREE changing VOTE??

Tchill left this wagon, it's losing popularity, and I'm not picky over who we Lynch today.

MOHAIR only 1VOTE wagon!! IF NOT PICKY WHY LEAVE BIG WAGON FOR SMALL WAGON??

Also seems like rotating around a possible push and not distancing.

I’d say Chenn and Enter are most likely town given their Worm interactions. Just looking at Worm->Everyone right now. Will do Veryone->Worm at like... some point this week.

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So we had a cop investigate their CC (didn’t catch this among FL’s other rambling) and a Jailkeeper jail an ascetic.

Cool.

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Oh. Jibril telegraphed the JK target because of course.

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I guess WOTM wasn't in effect...

Wormie, are you like this at night too?

Also, policy:

VOTE: Dr Worm

What's the policy?

Oh my, that looks like a direct challenge to Wormie!

VOTE: Mohab

VOTE: Worm

That's L-1.

I'm not a fan of D1 claims, but in this game I think it makes sense for me to add mine, as it's far down the list of importance and I'm hoping not to get jailed so I can use it. I'm a town

neighborizer

. One person invited to hood each night, hood only open at night. At this point I'm planning on inviting Flavor, because I have a good town lean on him and as mentioned we recently won a game together as scum, and that game featured hoods. Seems fitting.

Pers did some early game distancing with Worm but never followed up on a vote until the L-1. Also, they targeted Jibril and Mohab which were some other low hanging lynches. No offense.

VOTE: Persivul

This is good.

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There was supposed to be a quote where he voted Jibril too. Oh well.

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VOTE: Jibril
If you have to ask, you haven't read her ISO.

There we go.

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The cop was fine. It was meant to force scum to kill within the PR’s so we don’t mislynch both.

I’m just going to assume nothing you says makes sense.

If one was scum we wouldn’t mislynch both. Obviously now both those claims can be true but we didn’t really have reason to believe that yesterday.

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(PP, Chenn, Enter, Emp)
(FL, TChill, Jibril)
(SS, Mohab)
(Pers)

I could actually get behind the tinfoil SS/Pers thing though I got there in a very different way. If Pers is mafia I think Mohab town equity goes up.

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Dr Worm wanted to kill parsley. I dont understand why you have chennisden town.

No, Dr Worm parked his vote on Purrsleigh and then threw shade at other people. He never really pushed the wagon or lobbied for it in a meaningful way.

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Look at Worm’s ISO and tell me he really wanted that lynch to go through.

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SADSHIP and CHUMBADEN are TROWN in MY HEART!!

Do you think this game is as easy as lynching his town reads? I appreciate the solving but I think it’s misguided.

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Look at Worm’s ISO and tell me he really wanted that lynch to go through.

They both voted each other. Parsley voted him to L-1 without a claim. I think Werebeasts would want to claim. But I can be wrong.

Pers has zero votes when Dr. Worm voted and didn’t lobby, push, or pressure for more.

The fact Pers put him to L-1 without a claim should worry you, not make you townread Pers. To me that indicates he knew there wouldn’t be ramifications for L-1ing a town PR.

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Once again, thanks for actually helping solve today, and I don’t mean to be patronizing but I feel like I should encourage that.

But I think you’re looking at Day 1 on a superficial level.

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SADSHIP and CHUMBADEN are TROWN in MY HEART!!

Do you think this game is as easy as lynching his town reads? I appreciate the solving but I think it’s misguided.

I think the people he called town who also didn't vote him is the best place to look for Werebeasts.

Why? I get the point of the game is to try to keep your buddies around but I think the dissonance between Worm’s vote on Pers and his pressuring and shading of people like Enter and Chenn are more reliable than just looking at the votes and his reads.

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VOTE: persivul

I agree with the overall premise of Slaxx push. Especially when I take into consideration what I believe Dr. Worms skill level probably is. Makes a good point with that in mind.

Jibril why did you JK the ascetic?

I’m assuming you think Worm is an alt if someone decent? Bit off topic but I can’t exactly ask anywhere else, so.

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I never voted the other Werebeasts when I was one. You can be right or you can be thinking too hard. I will make a note of it. ❤

You’re hunting scum like you’re looking for scum-you and I’m doing the same for me. It’s fine.

Also fairly confident in Jib-town now, I’d move that up to the top tier.

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I have something I want to say about TChill but it has to wait a bit.

It’s about the wording of the vote onto Pers.

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VOTE: persivul

I agree with the overall premise of Slaxx push. Especially when I take into consideration what I believe Dr. Worms skill level probably is. Makes a good point with that in mind.

Jibril why did you JK the ascetic?

I’m assuming you think Worm is an alt if someone decent? Bit off topic but I can’t exactly ask anywhere else, so.

Comes off as an entry level player to me so I agree with the points you made about distancing. I think it's something that a player of his caliber would do. That's assuming I'm correct about his skill level.

Oh.

I’ve been working under the assumption it was a gimmicky alt. I think entry players as scum tend to avoid talking much about their buddies, where your average to good player might try to do a more light bus like what we saw.

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Jibril jail kept an ascetic instead of a claimed cop? (although fake claim). That's nice. That's real nice.

This is about jibril doing a pretty stupid thing imo. Has nothing to do with enter or his claim. This ACTUALLY had a whole point to it. Of course I'm quite stupid and only ask dumb questions. So maybe it's worthless.

I think the idea was that if he is telling the truth nothing bad would happen, but if he is lying they might stop a kill or maybe a mafia PR action.

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The cop was fine. It was meant to force scum to kill within the PR’s so we don’t mislynch both.

I’m just going to assume nothing you says makes sense.

If one was scum we wouldn’t mislynch both. Obviously now both those claims can be true but we didn’t really have reason to believe that yesterday.

This makes no sense. If you didn't think both were believable yesterday, and NM flipped green, you should be pushing Enter.

It makes perfect sense given they both claimed cop.

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Pers did some early game distancing with Worm but never followed up on a vote until the L-1.

It's a troll account. What kind of interactions do you expect? I took it as a policy lynch, and I'm a known supporter of D1 PLs on unreadables unless there's an obv scum.

That’s great but if you’re that big of a fan I find it mildly convienient that you were on the back end of his wagon while being earlier on the others.

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Sad Sheep saying TMI for Mafia Watcher while in the same post pulling a traitor out of nowhere is def +scum

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UNVOTE: Sheep

Why?

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Pers has zero votes when Dr. Worm voted and didn’t lobby, push, or pressure for more.

The fact Pers put him to L-1 without a claim should worry you, not make you townread Pers. To me that indicates he knew there wouldn’t be ramifications for L-1ing a town PR.

Er, when did we start asking for claims at L-2?

Your vote was L-1 I thought?

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VOTE: Worm

That's L-1.

I'm not a fan of D1 claims, but in this game I think it makes sense for me to add mine, as it's far down the list of importance and I'm hoping not to get jailed so I can use it. I'm a town

neighborizer

. One person invited to hood each night, hood only open at night. At this point I'm planning on inviting Flavor, because I have a good town lean on him and as mentioned we recently won a game together as scum, and that game featured hoods. Seems fitting.

Yea

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Pers did some early game distancing with Worm but never followed up on a vote until the L-1.

It's a troll account. What kind of interactions do you expect? I took it as a policy lynch, and I'm a known supporter of D1 PLs on unreadables unless there's an obv scum.

That’s great but if you’re that big of a fan I find it mildly convienient that you were on the back end of his wagon while being earlier on the others.

I'm not a fan of PLs early, before we've gotten information from the day.

Bunk.

You could have circled back if you were that big of a fan of PLs.

I’m not going to buy that your last post before the worm wagon started and your L-1 was the difference between “early” and long enough.

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I’ve seen claims with an L-1 vote and claims with intent to hammer. That’s far from the main point I’m making any way and was a response to Jibrils thought process.

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when jib is on, i want her to answer my question - why did you vote me
i also still cant tell why fl is voting me...

im getting more and more uneasy about how emp/mohab have been mia

This is lurker hunting without even committing to it which is lol

My thought process is if two-three of the lurkers/ less experienced players are scum this is probably a win and if I’m wagoned for defending them that’s fine.

What have Mohab and Emp done that’s actually AI? Are you insinuating that activity is AI for both of them or either of them?

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I’ve seen claims with an L-1 vote and claims with intent to hammer.

Yep, and you're criticizing me for not waiting for a claim when he was at L-2.

That’s far from the main point I’m making any way and was a response to Jibrils thought process.

Yes, your main point is that I lacked interaction with and analysis on a joke account, yet voted it.

Did all the other 6 people on the wagon have such interaction and analysis? I haven't looked, but I really doubt it, because it's Dr Worm FFS.

You put him at L-1 and didn’t ask for a claim. I get why it’s not the same as hammering without a claim but you’re still taking the risk of an lolhammer without prompting him. Once again, not the main point. The main point is...

Not to the degree you did, I looked. I think I might have came in a close second because I asked PP if we were lynching him because he was scum or just annoying.

I still don’t buy this narrative that you are a big supporter of policy lynches and then never really pushed Worm again until the wagon formed. That’s the main issue we were talking about,

particularly when that action was reciprocated by Worm as well

. It looks like classic distancing.

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Just realized you said on the wagon.

I ISO’d everyone. Yours stuck out the most, because there was distancing both ways.

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Just realized you said on the wagon.

I ISO’d everyone. Yours stuck out the most, because there was distancing both ways.

Interesting. You're arguing that I'm scummy because I bused my partner without making a big push on him - i.e. in a way that

wouldn't

get me much town cred anyway.

What was my scum motivation for that?

I get that if I were on the beginning of the wagon, you could say it was distancing gone bad, and as the wagon took off I couldn't think of a way to reasonably get off it.

Were you the one telling other people their analysis was superficial?

Bussing and distancing are different and you know that.

You can throw a vanity vote (like DW did with you) to distance. That’s an interaction I think is SvS indicative. Especially when it is paired with throwing shade at Enter and Chenn while not pressuring you. I feel like I’ve been over this multiple times now. It’s the dissonance with the vote from Worm and lack of push that indicates distancing.

Being on a scum wagon is probably better than not being on, as evidenced by the narrative cropping up today that there’s more likely 0 scum on the wagon than 2. So yes, you get towncred for that.

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I guess WOTM wasn't in effect...

Wormie, are you like this at night too?

Slaxx, when you ISO'd me, did you catch the point of this post?

Looked like distancing. I’m open to your explanation.

Also you probably have me pegged as stubborn, but don’t write the discussion off like I can’t change my mind. This needs to happen.

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UNVOTE: Sheep

Why?

:shrug: don’t think he’s scum anymore. The gamestate progressed in a way where I can see his actions coming from a town mindset.

Can you get more specific? These types of posts are killing me.

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UNVOTE:

Pers back and forth was productive.

And...Cool, I’m one of the only ones engaging and pressing people and not just looking at a VC and like four new people scum lean me.

I think Sad is the only one to articulate why and I’m not even sure it was coherent. Anyone else want to hop in and explain?

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I joined this game to work on having more patient and sympathetic reactions with people I might normally not.

It was going well.

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Chenn wagon was dumb.

I was going to start on SS tonight or tomorrow but okay.

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I was going to start on SS tonight or tomorrow but okay.

im town


you are not

Riveting

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I’m at work. I am not casing someone. I’m lucky I drank a double coffee this morning otherwise I wouldn’t even be reading this.

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Their case one me Enter is that suggesting mafia watcher was TMI (even though there were already powerful Town PR claims at play) and some dissonance about how I treated the Jibril wagon that might actually be valid.

If Chenn flips scum I would like to be jailkept and investigated so we don’t lynch me tomorrow because I know that’s where this is headed.

I don’t think that will happen though.

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VOTE: Sad Sheep

Hey there bud.

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Who claimed what?

Nothing yet

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Maybe not in isolation, but when you basically massclaim D1 it is.

Should I claim?

No

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~I know why SS mentioned traaaaaaaaitor ~

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~I know why SS mentioned traaaaaaaaitor ~

?

!

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~I know why SS mentioned traaaaaaaaitor ~

OH HOT DOG THATS WHY THERE’S A PT COP. TRAITOR GETS A FALSE INNO.

A hip hop hippopotamus.

Ding ding.

That traitor mention came out of fucking NOWHERE.

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Yeah I'm actually surprised sad sheep wagon shot up instead of Slaxx. If it's only due to the fact SS said the word traitor... I think that's kinda weak.

Start a wagon on me then

You started shading me after soft-defending me once other people mentioned they didn’t like me

The fact you’re saying one wagon is bad and another is better but not driving that wagon is high +scum

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Slaxx, you're Scum, right?

Boo

What about my post prompted you to say that?

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Jailkept Mr Werebeast.

VOTE: Sad Sheep
Sheeping.

what?? no. still town here. this an alarmingly suspicious series of posts.

ved i dont understand why you would hard defend after just replacing in...but ok.

looking at how slaax is twisting my words, that's scummy. ive got a good grasp of setups and how they work on this forum mafia site, and he just twists it entirely. not feeling like fl is town either

So you’re fencesitting on the JK and think FL/I are scum together?

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, you're Scum, right?

Boo

What about my post prompted you to say that?

Trying to distract and look town by saying vote you.
Ignoring me trying to discuss your Scum read because it's a fake read...
Enough right now?

If tchill believed what he said he would be voting me.

Also, I’ve explained SS. In the same breath he accused me of having TMI for suggesting mafia watcher but then mentioned a traitor after nowhere. And now he is saying that because he has extensive knowledge on setups that somehow justifies it? There’s no reason someone should think there’s a traitor in a game until there actually is one. Yea?

[Slaxx]

It’s the equivalent of saying “oh I bet there’s a mafia roleblocked”

Like why

I mentioned mafia watcher because of the backup town watcher and other claimed PRs

There was some sort of precedent for that

He mentions traitor before anymore flips then presses me for having TMI

That never comes from town.

[Slaxx]

If tchill believed what he said he would be voting me.

Also, I’ve explained SS. In the same breath he accused me of having TMI for suggesting mafia watcher but then mentioned a traitor after nowhere. And now he is saying that because he has extensive knowledge on setups that somehow justifies it? There’s no reason someone should think there’s a traitor in a game until there actually is one. Yea?

You haven't explained anything, to me at least.
So suggesting game setup is likely Scum? I do this generally as any align. Will it Make Me me Scum?
I think there's a traitor in the game. Am I a worthy lynch?

Why should I have to explain it directly to you? Have you been reading? By default, if I explain it, I’ve explained it to everyone.

And the setup spec isn’t the only piece. It’s mentioning my setup spec being TMI and then doing even more unfounded setup spec.

[Slaxx]

You realise that Scum watcher is more likely if JK is town right?
Wasn't the argument earlier on Sad Sheep for saying that?

lol

no

SS's argument on ME was that

Read the thread

[Slaxx]

Vedith I'm not holding your hand. Read the thread if you want to see the interactions I am talking about. I'm not enabling your sloth.

[Slaxx]

He mean TChill Emp

I think

[Slaxx]

-follow-up on fl/pers/vedith/emp reads
-slaax clearly continued tunneling me today on day 3: at least 19 of 106 posts (18% of his entire ISO of posting) were about me being scum

1/5 of my posts are saying you’re a scumread. Wow.

Tunneling is focusing solely on one player and not pressing other players. I’ve pressed FL, Pers, You, and to a lesser extent Jib, TChill, Vedith, and Enter. I’ve engaged significantly with about half the playerlist.

[Slaxx]

Also I probably pressed Pers heavier than you but your post before assumes Me/Pers.

This logic doesn’t freaking come from town.

“Mafia Watcher is tmi with flipped backup Watcher and many claimed PRs but also there might be a traitor”

“Slaxx has tunneled me but he has also pressed Pers so they’re scum together”

Nothing you say makes a lick of sense.

[Slaxx]

Also you’re targeting Pers for something he explained in thread. I mean Christ dude.

[Slaxx]

Also Watcher/backup Watcher/Jailkeeper/PT cop is freaking heavy town power.

I’m starting to think maybe the informed piece was that there wasn’t a Watcher at all.

[Slaxx]

Everything you’ve said looks like you decided the conclusion you wanted to come to before actually looking at the information in front of you, particularly the Pers push and setup spec.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: vedith

Thought you were confident it was Pers/Me?

[Slaxx]

VOTE: vedith

Why don't you case yourself on why YOU'RE town silly vedith?

Also ew

[Slaxx]

Everyone has ignored my back and forth with SS but is suddenly very interested in the Vedith wagon and we think that’s a coincidence?

TChill said he still hasn’t ISO’d Me/SS but is happy to place a vote on an easy target (no offense Ved).

And SS has this long post about it being Pers and I, but Vedith starts Vedithing and now we can abandon that for a naked vote?

I was tumbling around in my head about the possibility of a TChill/SS team but with the back to back votes I don’t think that’s as likely.

[Slaxx]

I guess with SS being at 2 votes it might be plausible that they would shift momentum heavily like that but still unlikely I think.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: vedith

Thought you were confident it was Pers/Me?

probably a scum or more between ved/you/pers. im willing to sheep the biggest wagon on a scumread . you can go see the recent interactions ved had to see why im scumreading him.
emp keeps stalling in his ISO about catching up or being behind


and suggesting a chill+me team is impossible

Why?

[Slaxx]

Everyone has ignored my back and forth with SS but is suddenly very interested in the Vedith wagon and we think that’s a coincidence?

TChill said he still hasn’t ISO’d Me/SS but is happy to place a vote on an easy target (no offense Ved).

And SS has this long post about it being Pers and I, but Vedith starts Vedithing and now we can abandon that for a naked vote?

I was tumbling around in my head about the possibility of a TChill/SS team but with the back to back votes I don’t think that’s as likely.

I figured someone would point out I moved my vote without giving the cases. Not too surprised it was you. I also didn't want it sitting on jibril any longer.

If you’re not surprised it was me, I assume that means you think I’m scum. Why do you keep avoid pushing me for easier lynches? Is it because you know I’m going to fight?

The way I see it, if you think I am scum, which you clearly do, you would be pushing my lynch. But all day you’ve been voting easier targets like Vedith And Jibril hoping someone else would. And your skepticism of me didn’t even emerge until AFTER I became a popular scumread.

VOTE: tChill

This has a higher scum equity than SS now.

[Slaxx]

Convenient you've been thinking about me and SS as scum together but decide not to tell anyone that until our votes on vedith lol.

How’s that convenient? What’s the scum motivation for that over the town motivation?

As soon as I say it, you guys would know to distance from each other. But since I WAITED, I saw a series of posts that probably didn’t come from a TChill/SS pair. And, as soon as I saw something that falsified that thought, I pointed it out for later.

You’ve ramped up your rhetoric on me as I become more vulnerable but have made it very clear you’re afraid to vote me. You’re Mafia.

Which means SS is almost surely somehow town, but whatever. I’ll deal with that.

[Slaxx]

Also: to directly refute your shade...

Are you really saying... noticing and vocalizing someone who voted Vedith when they said they were going to ISO Sheep v Me and trying keep track of their intentions... are you genuinely saying that makes me more scummy? Trying to hold you accountable for what you said you were going to do and picking up on patterns in dissonance in your play is scummy?

I get how Sad’s point on my reaction to Jib could be scummy. I get how waving away the Worm lynch as a policy lynch could be scummy. But I’d love to hear how you think me pointing that out is alignment indicative.

[Slaxx]

Annnnnd you won’t even commit to saying I’m scum. Lmfao.

[Slaxx]

I think Vedith is scum...fits into when I put Mohab500 into the 4, and named Worm/sad Sheep/slaxx/Mohab500.

I just feel like his read on me is to try and keep me on the table rather than actually him thinking I could be scum.

How can you say that and then not feel the same way about Chill’s stance on me?

[Slaxx]

I think Vedith is scum...fits into when I put Mohab500 into the 4, and named Worm/sad Sheep/slaxx/Mohab500.

I just feel like his read on me is to try and keep me on the table rather than actually him thinking I could be scum.

How can you say that and then not feel the same way about Chill’s stance on me?

Because I understand the push on you. I felt the same way. I also know how Tchill thinks, so him pushing you isn’t out of the ordinary for him as town. Vedith doesn’t feel normal to me. I’m still trying to find the words for it

What part of his push do you agree with?

[Slaxx]

I'll point this out and then I'll try to do some research before my next post...

Slaxx. It's not beneficial for me, as town or as scum, to turn this into a 1v1 (you've made it pretty obvious that'd happen if I push you) especially considering the lack of preparation I've done around your slot. If we are both town that will be ugly and will only help scum. If I'm town and you're scum I need a case strong enough to convince others before I push you in a way that only clogs the game. If I'm scum and you're town once again it'd be more beneficial to be prepared to push for an actual lynch that I'm fully prepared for opposed to just blindly trying to 1v1 you just to make noise. I'd fear that approach would be seen as a little more obv scum.

So I don't really understand the obsession with shade equals scum. It's given me some good reactions regarding your slot but I don't think it's accomplishing what you'd like it to on your end. Besides imo it doesn't even make much seems. Makes it seem like you're just determined to call me scum. If that's because you're scum well I'd like to believe I'd figure that out. If you're town I'd highly recommend making a better case on me opposed to just finger pointing. It's just causing noise the best I can tell.

I have made points on you. You are positioning yourself on my slot based on how the rest of the town feels about it and refusing to commit to my push, but also any push.

Also in the time it took you to pontificate in those two paragraphs you could have ISO’ed at least one of Sheep and I. You just look particularly non commital and opportunistic.

[Slaxx]

1/5 of my posts are saying you’re a scumread. Wow.

Tunneling is focusing solely on one player and not pressing other players. I’ve pressed FL, Pers, You, and to a lesser extent Jib, TChill, Vedith, and Enter. I’ve engaged significantly with about half the playerlist.

Where are you on sad sheep now? (Apologies if you've already spelled it out.)

TChill has higher scum equity than SS.

SS has at least brought up some decent points on why I could be scum.But their overconfidence in their reads, especially in a game where players are struggling to form them, is concerning. However..,

TChill is just being noncommittal to every lynch and leaving his options open. His suspicion of me has risen with more people suspecting me, but he has only interacted with me to shade me and not discern alignment. He claims he didn’t imply I was scum but if you look at his posting history there’s no way he has plausible deniability on that point. He voted on the Vedith bandwagon which is meh, and he keeps referencing Sheep and I but not taking any stances on either.

His last post was like all fluff, and I got a heavy vibe it was one of those posts meant to look Town without any actual content in it. I mean look at it. What did he say from that post? It looks like someone trying to really get across that they don’t know anyone’s alignment but it doesn’t serve to solve for any slots or pressure any players. It’s more of the same hedging we have seen from him. Can anyone really tell me where he stands on anything? Where was his last real attempt to solve?

[Slaxx]

I just got into a huge 1v1 with Scum Vedith last game, and this is Night and Day it’s almost unreal.

Also I just saw him finish another game where he was scum. I modded it.

Vedith does a lot of posturing in his games as scum. He will make sure to look town and prioritize that. As town he seems much less concerned with his standing in the town, and I’m thinking this is more town Vedith.

[Slaxx]

man my reads are a mess

Jib->Vedith->FL->Pers->PP->Emp->SS->tChill

I think that’s town to scum in order

[Slaxx]

Maybe switch SS and Emp. Their point on Vedith is something I was going to bring up but they beat me to it. His explanation was Townie though.

[Slaxx]

I’m infinitely more confident on TChill right now than anyone else though.

[Slaxx]

I think it’s telling pretty much every wagon besides my TChill wagon has picked up.

Take it from someone who’s been suspecting SS: they’re not as high scum equity as TChill.

[Slaxx]

I mean I guess the argument can be made that mine didn’t either LOL

But I think relative to how hard they’ve been driven and lobbied for the TChill wagon is telling.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, we can look at Tchill stuff tomorrow

Equally true statement:

We can look at TChill stuff today.

[Slaxx]

Not for me. The later into the game it is, the better chance I have at being sure of Tchill’s alignment.

He hasn’t made a play towards me yet, and when we’re separate alignments, generally eventually that has to come.

You’re not the only person in the game.

[Slaxx]

To hammer or not to hammer... That is the question...

You’re debating on a hammer on Sheep before you’ve even read both out ISOs?

Lmfao

[Slaxx]

This is pretty fun for me not gonna lie. I haven't posted in quite some time. What makes you think I haven't done it? Just because I haven't broken it down yet?

Because you haven’t indicated you’ve done it. In a game where people are trying to read you, as town, I’d assume before a hammer you would explain your conclusions on reads that include the hammer, particularly after you said you’d read the ISOs.

You’re being purposefully obfuscating.

[Slaxx]

I also find this pontificating on and joking about hammering disingenuous from someone who was apparently upset about yesterday’s hammer. It’s not even remotely consistent.

[Slaxx]

Not for me. The later into the game it is, the better chance I have at being sure of Tchill’s alignment.

He hasn’t made a play towards me yet, and when we’re separate alignments, generally eventually that has to come.

You’re not the only person in the game.

Sure, but I’m the only one with my vote.

Okay, but there’s assumedly 2 scum left.

If you discount TChill and he’s scum you’re halving your chances of finding one (Not quite, 2/8 V 1/7 but you get it).

[Slaxx]

Me no scum
Just haven’t had time to read again.
But flavor lead the lynch on worm so I’m willing to follow on this one too

Yeah this isn't town.

Is his play really any different than 2057?

[Slaxx]

Nips has been pretty up front about not having reads and as FL said his play is consistent with that

tChill has been trying to hide his lack of reads under fluffposting and pontification

I will love you forever Vedith, forever, if you just look at the last 15ish posts of tChill's ISO and tell me what his stances are on anyone

At all

[Slaxx]

Okay I'll read them now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHTsc9PU2A

[Slaxx]

Chilly posting about ISO Sad Sheep and Slaxx while just ignoring it and throwing shade outside of them constantly is pretty alarming.

And looks to be avoiding Sad Sheep while still interaction to about Slaxx without checking ISO.

Basically listed some sort of shade on each other player.

Slaxx might be right.

Not only that but her has said for at least a week he would ISO us, but comes in and votes YOU, then later comes in and tests the waters on our hammer. Without letting us see into his thought processes at all. It. Doesn't. Come. From. Town.

[Slaxx]

All it suggests is that Chilly is Scum if Sad Sheep is Scum

I'm not sold on them as a pair because they voted back to back on you. I think tChill is mafia here though.

I was TRing him heavily Day 1 but his play looks more and more like the opaque BS he was throwing out as scum in our last game.

[Slaxx]

[7] Dr Worm : Flavor Leaf 557, PenguinPower 558, Tchill13 560, Enter 561, Not_Mafia 563, Persivul 584, Emperor flippyNips 587

And what do you know, the narrative coming out of Day 2 was to lynch off the wagon and he has been coasting ever since.

[Slaxx]

Applause.gif

[Slaxx]

Sad Sheep is providing more content than Chilly too. And Chilly Scum means we can start trying to confirmed town including on Sad Sheep

I’m all for a chill wagon but in interest of fairness that’s true for any scum lynch unless it’s Jib

[Slaxx]

ScumTchill isn’t a player to just not do anything, so that’s NAI really.

Oh he’s doing a lot it’s just that none of it is productive beyond making him look busy

[Slaxx]

Obligatory catch up tonight. Haven't tried hard enough in a game that includes FL PP and vedith.

Perfect. This will be helpful.

[Slaxx]

ScumTchill isn’t a player to just not do anything, so that’s NAI really.

Oh he’s doing a lot it’s just that none of it is productive beyond making him look busy

And ScumTchill is very capable of doing much more than that.

He’s gone along with some crazy gambits before, and he’s survived the Third Degree Boon before. He’s capable as scum

Annnnnd he also active lurkers as scum our last game so now we are back to square one in that regard.

Let’s see what he has to say.

[Slaxx]

He’s getting pressure he has every reason to start up here

Come on

[Slaxx]

Oh Jesus Christ

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Fine. If this flips scum just jail me. I’m done putting effort into this game I just get frustrated every time I do.

[Slaxx]

And the Tchill push definitely heated up after Flips wagon derailed and Sheep picked up, so I feel like Slaxx might have added pressure to where they were already pushing in order for it to seem believable. It did.

I just think that was a scum play when I look back on it.

Slaxx/Sad Sheep for scum.

@Jibril - if there’s a scum lynch today, jail me. Even if you aren’t a full JK and you can’t use any shots, don’t out that info.

That way, we can for sure get a 3rd member into the neighborhood, and potentially confirm some people.

This is the most stupid shit ever if you think it’s me Sheep.

Just lynch Sheep and jail me and it’s gg

Why the fuck worry with the hood

[Slaxx]

We do need Jibril to say who they jail tonight just in case it does flip scum and there’s a kill

That way there’s a clear

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Fine. If this flips scum just jail me. I’m done putting effort into this game I just get frustrated every time I do.

Remember when I said, recently, I was waiting for two more things?

Remember that?

UNVOTE:

Nope

But I’m sure it’s there.

[Slaxx]

Pers did some early game distancing with Worm but never followed up on a vote until the L-1.

It's a troll account. What kind of interactions do you expect? I took it as a policy lynch, and I'm a known supporter of D1 PLs on unreadables unless there's an obv scum.

That’s great but if you’re that big of a fan I find it mildly convienient that you were on the back end of his wagon while being earlier on the others.

[Slaxx]

Meh. I didn’t like TChills first few posts because they felt like rehashes of the thread but the past few have been better.

I’m cool with sheep. Let’s do that, and jail me.

[Slaxx]

Meh. I didn’t like TChills first few posts because they felt like rehashes of the thread but the past few have been better.

I’m cool with sheep. Let’s do that, and jail me.

Lol?
What?
Huh?

Ew sorry. The last few have been alright.

The part where he was asking you whether you think scum were on/off certain wagons felt Townie.

[Slaxx]

Pers

Slaxx

SS

Jibril

PP

FL

Chilly

Nips

Nips Scum makes FL Scum
Chilly Scum makes SS Scum

Game is sorted within the next 3 lynches.

also this is about as opposite as you can get if you prioritize the vote break downs. The only thing that makes this make any kind of sense is if you believe scum bussed d1. Then the question becomes did scum bus d1 and hop on the lynch d2? (me, pers, PP) or did scum bus and hop off the lynch d2? (FL, Emperor Flippynips)

I'd like vedith and vedith only to answer that one.

This post.

It’s a pretty deep pry into your motivations. I mean if TChill just slinks back off into the shadows then it’s going to be an issue again but if he can keep doing stuff like this I think I feel much better about the slot.

[Slaxx]

I think you’re town Vedith but I think that particular line of questions from him was genuine. Didn’t look like empty shade to me.

[Slaxx]

Wait you still haven’t read?

Dude.

[Slaxx]

Intent to hammer.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Picking it up

Actually that was hammer

Lol

Nice one

[Slaxx]

Okay I’ll just mod.

Slaxx is a confirmed innocent child mason.
Vedith was his Mason buddy.
PP was the town BoomBoomBap
u r a person 2 is now in the game and has a dayvig shot
A wild Caterpie appeared and nothing really matters

[Slaxx]

Mod, spoil me who the last scum are when I reach dead thread

LAMIST

This is flipping red. Nice job Vedith.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sad Sheep

You can’t do this to me on a Saturday night you m ow I’m out getting shitfaced

[Slaxx]

Happy cake day or whatever they call it here

TChill do you really think EmpFlips reads are going to change anything? I mean I really like that slot but I’m not sheeping it.

I think the only players I’d sheep are URAP2 and the Irish dude who used to come here and now he doesn’t

The hell was his name

[Slaxx]

Faraday maybe

[Slaxx]

Yeah faraday

I miss him.

[Slaxx]

Also everyone agrees Jibril is town yeah? Strong townread all around?

[Slaxx]

Yeah you do.

[Slaxx]

Wowwwww guys why the echo chamber chamber chamber

[Slaxx]

Was this the wrong decision decision decision

[Slaxx]

This is what happens when URAP2 and I don’t have an active hydra PT to post in

Blame him I don’t want to be accountable for my actions actions actions

[Slaxx]

I'd like to think my family, friends and teachers that said I'd never amount to anything that motivated me to make it a full year on Mafiascum.net and not entirely lose my sanity.

birthday.gif

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Picking it up

Actually that was hammer

Lol

Nice one

You probably shouldn't mod given that you couldn't count votes since my last unofficial vc...

js

Still want Nips to give his reads after ISOs.

Lol I knew that wasn’t hammer I was trying to fish for reactions.

[Slaxx]

Vedith that post was just me trying to get a reaction from Sheep. To be clear I still think you’re town.

[Slaxx]

Jibril is the vote today every time.

[Slaxx]

#1525 was Townie and so was a lot of his ISO overall. I’m kinda working with a (Vedith/Pers/FL) townblock now.

Vedith I have explained, and Pers is more setup based. I think a scum Neighborizer with a town PT cop would be really powerful. And an informed goon has already flipped.

I’m running out of PoE and my towntell on EmpFlip is mainly from day 1. I’d say Jib + one of (TChill/Emp) solves it. But I’m not as confident as I usually am this far in a game either.

Normally if I’m alive this late I’m either mafia or very wrong.

[Slaxx]

Jailkeeper and Watcher/Backup is just too much town power.

[Slaxx]

Yes, because the best thing to do as scum here would be to lament the amount of town power in the game.

I'm stating that because the correct vote today is Jib.

VOTE: Jibril

[Slaxx]

My whole "Jib is town" late yesterday and putting Jib so high on my townreads was banking on the fact Jib would eat the night kill so I didn't have to sort the slot.

If Watcher hadn't flipped today would be a lot tougher, but this is the right move today.

[Slaxx]

If it’s Jib/Flip, that would make sense.

If it’s anybody else, Jibril would have been coached better.

If that makes sense, I'd ignore your gut. I was gutreading Jib in our game with her (sheep's) and I was wrong.

I'm leaning town on Pers through play and mechanics, and I think Watcher/BU Watcher/Ascetic PT Cop/Jailkeeper/Neighborizer is hugely townsided. Doesn't even really matter what scum has with the informed goon flipped. And you can crow about this being me whining about getting an unbalanced game or whatever, but it is pertinent to the discussion we are having so yes I'm going to keep bringing it up.

My tinfoil hat is that Jib is maybe gated Scum RB.

[Slaxx]

Yeah

And I said that was super unbalanced and shouldn’t have been passed.

[Slaxx]

Persivul is town. There’s three options.

1. Persivul was roleblocked by scum
2. TChill is an Ascetic Goon, or a Mafia Commuter, lying about his role.
3. Persivul lied about his neighbor shots

3 makes no sense to do day 1. Like, why. The other two mean that Persivul is town.

TChill is an Ascetic Goon or Jibril is a mafia roleblocker who claimed Jailkeeper and RBed Pers. It’s not hard.

[Slaxx]

(Pers, Vedith, FL) is the town block.

(TChill) who knows. His frustration seems genuine but his D2 and D3 were gross.

(Jibril, Flip) is where we lynch.

[Slaxx]

#1665 assumes a town’s person didn’t block Pers and TChill isn’t an Ascetic Townie. Really hope that isn’t Che case as they should have said something.

[Slaxx]

VT

I want Flip to go next

[Slaxx]

Because I don’t need to manufacture my reads to appease y’all.

Vedith is town here. I’ve seen him in two scum games and he does a lot of LAMIST shit and posturing. He hasn’t done any of that here. This is town Vedith.

[Slaxx]

If I’m wrong, oops. I put as much effort in here as anyone else so I ain’t shout to feel guilty on it. Lol.

He’s town.

[Slaxx]

it.

That’s what we’re trying to figure out. Haha.

Persivul’s action could have been role blocked.

Persivul could have been lying about using his ability.

Tchill could be an Ascetic role, which means he can’t be targeted. Generally a scummy role

Ascetic isn’t generally a scummy role, but with an already-flipped Ascetic Town role, in this context, it is.

[Slaxx]

Do we really think we had three protective roles? Like really?

Watcher, backup, AND JK?

The only scenario that PP dies over Jib is with a rolecop.

And if there’s a rolecop... theres a roleblocker or Ascetic Goon because of the Neighborizer cancelled action. So now the scumteam is supposedly rolecop/informed/(Ascetic/roleblocker).

Nah. Much simpler Jibs the RB and we don’t have JK. If the mass claim reveals something different I’ll adjust.

[Slaxx]

It’s a modifier.

Like. Enter flipped Ascetic cop so he’s a cop that can’t be targeted by any night actions except a kill. So Watcher wouldn’t get a result if they watched him, but a roleblock wouldn’t affect him.

[Slaxx]

I'm vt.

Effort doesn't absolve you of not taking responsibility for wrong reads Slaax. "oops I tried, sorry". Yeah great mindset.

I’m not asking to be absolved of anything lmfao

I said I’m not going to feel guilty. Of course if we lose that’s partly my bad. But I feel I’ve done what I can this game, so, no regrets or whatever the kids say now.

[Slaxx]

You're using a weak reason to clear vedith so you can declare a town block. Then you state "well I tried" in case you're wrong because you know it's a weak reason.

The kids say no regrats.

Weak? Are you kidding me?

The entirety of this fucking game has been arbitrary, opaque, unsubstantiated claims. I’ve given clear,

Good

reasons as to why he’s town. Dead Townie SS said that they really, really liked my reasoning on it. Get over yourself lmfao.

[Slaxx]

Is that the hammer?

Yes.

[Slaxx]

I’d just like to point out how clearly scum Flippy is here, and you can tell by the lack of anything being pushed there.

His scum partner is avoiding that as an option, which makes me lean towards Vedith/Slaxx with Flips.

I literally have been saying flips/Jib all day.

I also pushed him Day 1 when everyone else was giving him a pass.

[Slaxx]

I’m also obviously dead this night phase, and scum are going to use that to drown my thoughts out.

You’re doing a fine job of that without their help whiplashing your reads back and forth.

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How confident are you on Flips, FL?

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Just remember if Jibril flips Scum here then FL is Scum 100%

No way jibril plays the way he did if scum with FL. Sorry.

Why

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Cool TChill can be town too.

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VOTE: Emperor

Vedith didn’t actually hammer. Let’s lynch here.