Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

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SOMETHING SMART WE CHEATED THE SYSTEM!!!!!

which probably actually just means you’re scum here. -.-

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not like this Hi """morality"""

No worries. I’m much friendlier and less sociopathic on FL.

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Are you conf!town yet? Or will it take like 5 more posts until you reach that conclusion?

I’ve already been conftown for 2 posts.

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Well, damn.

Let’s just lynch me Day 3.

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I know from Vorkuta and then all the way down on the numbered.

I might now SIV, but from above Vorkuta, that’s all

So I would say pretty well. The players I do know I’m pretty familiar with, but nobody who like...I have a soul read bond with.

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Are you conf!town yet? Or will it take like 5 more posts until you reach that conclusion?

He's been confscum since 133

All the gas we needed to get this wagon rolling.

I agree - that slot is looking scummier by the second...

VOTE: flavorleaf

I can’t tell if this vote is supposed to be serious or not.

I feel like he thought I was going to be low hanging fruit, and that RCE/SS were serious about going after me here.

Actually, I just realized, RCE, SS, Vorkuta were all just in a weird asterisk mafia victory game of mine, so they low key hate me right now.

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That was me essentially saying that I think it was pretty scummy of Baz to do that there. Almost like he’s trying to get the swing to start swinging, so he decided to give a little push.

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I really hope this was just him being scum thinking “Yeah, let’s get that new guy!!!” To his scummates, but then he does it, and can sense the awkward realization that it just had an awkward spotlight on him for a second.

Comedy.

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I wasn't even in that game at the beginning, what are you talking about?

You repped in and faked a guilty on FL right?

Vorkuta can you expand on what you think we're both doing and how it compares to our last game?

Oh, look how popular I am, I was already brought into this game.

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With RCEnigma- my first game (ever on site ) with him was where he more or less lurked as scum and got caught early on.

He also faked a PR and self-voted

Town RCE in the previous game just now

had no selfvoting

felt more solvey and much less vendetta/agenda driven.
This game's RCE reads more solvey and less agenda driven.

As for S_Smart, I feel bad about shooting him and losing the game regardless of how much his posts ping me.
His posts slightly ping me this game as well.

Did I IC that RCE game?

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SIV, are you the type of guy who wears cologne?

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SIV, are you the type of guy who wears cologne?

Only on occasions where I'm with people I might need to impress. (?)

We haven't played mafia together. I don't think you know me.

I might have been on Boonskiies or Morality. Or I might’ve just seen a game of yours. The name looks familiar, but I wouldn’t say i know you either.


What kind of cologne would you wear in that scenario? Would you say you’re at least casually knowledgeable about different fragrances?

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By itself- it would.

However I just came from a game with him where I vig-shot him for basically the same thing (and more) which lost us the game, so that's kind of fresh.....

To be fair, he claimed traitor.

Still waiting on my cologne comments once SIV comes back

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I wouldn’t know the difference.

I’ve only been mod or scum when SS plays before here.

I have to actually read him, and I’m not even going to attempt until like tomorrow

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I'm not sure if scum!SIV would do that post.
I might have raised an eyebrow when reading it, but I still think the intention behind the post was propably good.
In short: I think the level of "tryhard" makes me lean town.

Hit, my cologne posting directly slightly involves you.

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I wouldn’t say this is me being dramatic.

Assuming you’re very aware of my town gambits too. Those are more fun.

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I don't see the word cologne in that reply

He said explain it when I feel like it.

I’m also going through a total playstyle rehaul because people are catching onto me.

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VOTE: Slaxx

Hey, bud. Excited to play with you.

Also, my cologne gambit is gonna have to wait now.

ScumSIV got scared and couldn’t handle it.

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I have a soul read scum read on Slaxx, and it kinda sucks, but I wanna play with Slaxx more.

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UNVOTE: Slaxx

I will do what I must.

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VOTE: Slaxx

Hey, bud. Excited to play with you.

Also, my cologne gambit is gonna have to wait now.

ScumSIV got scared and couldn’t handle it.

Boons, man, you've changed? Or is it the new Alt?

Going through an experimental phase. People have been getting used to me, so I gotta start changing things up.

Still the same Boon, just a little older.

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Id like to think its only a matter of time before somebody nails my main down. Or maybe not, since I was common but not incredibly well-known. I have the day off, so Ill read up this afternoon. I should be sleeping.

I’ll get there.

@RCE - looks like I do in fact know everyone decently well in this game, as long as I can figure out who the alts are.

I’ll try to do some analyzing later today.

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as long as I can figure out who the alts are.

Sorry man, this is a secret alt that has no intentions of ever revealing.

Furthermore, do you want to put that cologne-thing into words at some point, or do I need to look what's under the hood myself?

SIV replaced out, I have to wait. I’ve been prepping the gambit for about a week, and was excited to try it.

And you don’t have to reveal for me to figure it out.

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1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

Don’t worry. I’ll no kill tonight. Sound good?

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I’m really upset, guys. I had some real stuff to dive into SIV from that post, and I don’t feel like giving Slaxx the Third Degree Boon.

Ausuka, what day you? Who’s off to you?

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Typo.

What say you?

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Actually, @Boon - give me this:

Setup spec. aside - what do you think is the likelyhood for Slaxx scum?

33% or more like 50/50?

57%

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Is that because of the replace out?

Both nope and yeah


Also, unpopular opinion, Baez is town.

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Also, unpopular opinion, Baez is town.

It's starting to look like it's not so unpopular anymore.

It’s unpopular, people just are thinking it.

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can you kindly stop being a shy guy and play?

>Insert appeal to Mondays

I was around literally all day yesterday but noone was posting

Anyway-

quality

content incoming.

So you were just lurking admittedly.

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Am I getting shaded for “not engaging”?

Lol. I’ll engage when it’s time for me to.

I’ll go 1v12, and put up a decent fight. I ain’t afraid of no

ghost

engaging.

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So you were just lurking admittedly.

*crickets chirping*
Yep looks I'm just active at different times

Nice. Just checking.


@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half, so if you think this is master level scum play going down, be my guest.

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@Mustang - I think I scared him off with my cologne gambit

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I’m getting Vorkuta town vibes.

His strike comments is townie. I expect scumVork to do that as well, but townVorkuta’s strikes just seem to come so naturally.

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@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

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@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

Yeah, it was 2IAM's game about a year ago. You were scum on Morality (this was actually when I learned Morality was you) with Kokichi and Maria, and Dunn and the worst used their PR's really well and kinda rolled you

Oh that game. I thought that was before?

Two confirmed a townie and refused to retract/not post even after I asked for that specifically not to, and it incriminated me and confirmed a townie, and LUV resigned.

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Oh dang. I don’t even remember that game too much.

That’s a different one.

Maria and I didn’t have much cohesion. I’m not good at scum on Morality.

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I only aspire to be the best at one thing on Mafiascum, and that is reading FL. So consider it like my life goal.

Honored.

Jingle is the best mechanical player on site. That’s his goal.


What’s mine, you ask? Well, I feel I have already achieved that.

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I am, without a doubt, the best BS’er this site has ever seen.

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I did meta on RCE last game and this is much more town-him.

I could probably bite into pressuring FL more. That’s not a terrible wagon.

If I’m being wagon’d pre late Day 2, it’s always a terrible wagon.

If I’m scum and getting pressure early, i will single handedly create a game space that will allow me to pull off the victory late game even if I die.

But I’m town, so all pressuring me is going to do is unnecessarily out multiple town PR’s.

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Is it bad that I can see an RCE/FL scum pair? (+1 if setup?)

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

Would you vote FL?

Nobody not named RadiantCowbells or Rb will go after me Day 1.

That’s just suboptimal play, and those 2 are too stubborn to realize it, and it’s hurt them multiple times.

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It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

I'm trying to spot scum theater as it's what I fell victim to in my recent games.

I recommend you not looking into that when it comes to me.

Very rarely will that help you. I always push team cohesion, and the game with Eddie and Yellow, we did not have it, especially early. You can see that in the scum thread I was actively trying to avoid that path.

Eddie’s a great player, and technically him and I are 2-0 as a scum team, they weren’t exactly smooth best scum play evarrr scum games.

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Is it bad that I can see an RCE/FL scum pair? (+1 if setup?)

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

Would you vote FL?

Nobody not named RadiantCowbells or Rb will go after me Day 1.

That’s just suboptimal play, and those 2 are too stubborn to realize it, and it’s hurt them multiple times.

I'll incorporate the day 1 push into my meta eventually.

I still don’t advise it. It’s just not worth the effort.

Same way I would never push someone like SS Day 1. If he’s scum, it’s just much better to look at it later in the game.

I town gambit too much, and as town I’m a late game hyper carry, so I play to survive when I’m town while picking up and taking in facts.

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Also, I don’t know the exact dates or confirmation yet, but I’ve been in a super rockin’ place emotionally and mentally lately. This past month has been some kind of awesome, which is really strange for the inner angsty optimistic but entirely depressed rags life I’ve lived most of my life, and I’ve literally gone from essentially nothing living in a small mountain town to being able to support myself living in the SF area by myself, and I don’t know if you all know this, but I’m an actor (also writer, trying to work on my own projects to get funded) and I just found out today that an audition I did recently, I’ll be getting flown out to LA to talk, and it’s a lead role for an upcoming pretty big film set for a 2020 theatrical release that’ll be filmed in 25 different countries, and I’m sad that if this happens, my July-October mafia career will be drastically halted. I’m technically not supposed to say any of this, but it’s totally anonymous here on MS for the most part, and I had to shout it out somewhere, and I enjoy a lot of you guys in this game a lot.

And if I ever do make it big, y’all best believe I’m going to find someway to create some kind of televised mafia thing much better than any YouTube mafia players, as I haven’t found a single mafia YouTube group that I think can light a candle to the players on this site, or the mods on this site.

Sorry for my overshare, but yeah. This place is a big part of my life, so if I disappear for a while, don’t think I’ve just left it behind.

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Clarification, I haven’t gotten it yet, but yeah. I’m moving forward so far.

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I feel for the players that get fear reads because their scum game is good. But a good scum game doesn't make them impossible to catch.

I don’t like FL’s reaction to perceived pressure, it’s got appeals to town PRs and subtle credibility digs in it.

That being said he’s claimed “weak investigative” as VT so, whatever.

I’ve claimed much more than that as VT.

@Baezu - Slaxx is scum, but I won’t vote him here.

I have a bad feeling that one of the players I know well is scum, and that will become clearer as the game progresses.

I don’t have any hard stances right now, and the only town reads I have are Baezu and Vorkuta essentially.

But I’m pretty confident in both of those.

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But you see my reasoning and why I think it's a winning scum play to earn town points by being able to deal with a really confusing slot yes?

I do like the deity comparisons though

If anything, this slight scumread is based on my

fear and despair

idea that FL physically can't be read, and anyone who claims to be able to do so is a liar.

I’m easier to read late game.

I think early game, I’d agree with that sentiment.

Tchill says that if I haven’t caught scum by the end of the game, lynch me because I’m scum.

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UnaBombah can catch me, and Something_Smart doesn’t know town me, but those are generally the three players that I have to drastically play around.

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I also play around RCow, but that’s more for the lulls because I like it when he goes aggro. It tickles my insides.

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I can catch Boon but he doesn't really have to be that afraid of me because I am awful at getting people to listen to me

I fakeclaimed a goddamn guilty on him and it didn't even help

Also yay I hope you get the part!

You and Tchill were both players I’ve had exactly 1 scum game with, and our team cohesion just flat out was off the charts. I can’t believe that was our first game with each other.

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Fair point. I should have said I can be scum read correctly, but trying to catch me is the harder part.

Technically I got around 2 guilties that game you fakeclaimed me with, SS. Creature had a legit guilty on me.

UnaBombah got me in our first game together too, the game I had to out Flavor Leaf as a Boon alt, and that’s one of the games I did the absolute most with, and mechanically made myself town.

So you gotta try to go around logic when it comes to me.

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mechanically made myself town

That phrase doesn't sound like it should be possible in my head.

Haha. You should join my next BooneyToonz game.

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Scum have probably tried to hide behind this cliquey nature that we all have seemed to create, but feel free to include yourself, lurkers. You can join the conversation about me as well.

Actually, Ausuka’s a player too I’d be generally pretty worried about if I were scum. I don’t think i’ve been scum in too many games against her, though.

I got her lynched when she was 3rd party in the game I was referencing about where I outed my FL alt and she knew I was scum by then.

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I’m so honored Performer put that as his signature.

I’m pretty sure Performer lives within 10 minutes of me, but like I don’t know him in real life or anything.

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Also, you know what. I did an invitation only for my pre-in’s this time, and I only invited 6 out of 7, so consider that your invitation.

I will from now on save 1 spot for my BooneyToonz for potential Rising Star’s and newer players. I did that with Auro/Lamees for my last game, and they did well.

@Vorkuta - I feel we have that synergy we had from that newbie game where we were like lock duo’d up, and then they killed you. That’s good. We didn’t have that last game because I was scum.

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I think I said that to you, not you to me, and you, in jest, decided to play along like you were.

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FL- why don’t you want to vote slaxx?

Just because I think he’s 100% scum doesn’t mean he’s scum.

I don’t think pushing him right now does anything but creates tunnel vision for me alongside giving him ample fire to react to me against and create a TvT cover that people dont want to go through, so it doesn’t do anyone any good.

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Look at me, Iiiiiii’m the king of New York!

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Man things have changed since I was on years ago

You’re telling me.

I’ve been here since ‘14 and witnessed it all happen. Some for the better, some for the worst.

I think we’re in a pretty solid spot, or at least in the direction of getting to a better spot at the moment.

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FL- why don’t you want to vote slaxx?

Just because I think he’s 100% scum doesn’t mean he’s scum.

I don’t think pushing him right now does anything but creates tunnel vision for me alongside giving him ample fire to react to me against and create a TvT cover that people dont want to go through, so it doesn’t do anyone any good.

I don’t get it. It looked like you wanted to pressure the slot when SIV was in it, so what’s different about Slaxx?

I can’t ask reasonings behind SIV’s thought process to Slaxx. Slaxx is a different type of player, and what works to try and figure out SIV won’t work against Slaxx.

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So then why aren’t you trying to figure out slaxx’s reasoning?

Like you even had a vote on Slaxx then dropped it because???

To let him know I mean business.

Slaxx is very much feeling the pressure, and if you happen to be his partner, you are directly hatcheting me right now to try and have any momentum I could gain chopped prematurely.

Do I think that’s happening? No, but I am taking a mental image of this interaction. I’ll be doing this throughout the game, and then I’ll put the images next to each other and see the out of context images and see who, in hindsight, is scum.

Also, by choosing to not push Slaxx, yet making sure my thoughts are known makes me a prime target for accusations, which allows me to sift through people who will come at me directly.

Why does my vote have to be on someone to pressure them? It’s not like I don’t say what’s on my mind.

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You can’t solve FL by using logical thought as a proxy, fyi. I don’t have the correct method but I promise that’s not it.

I disagree. Logically, I feel I’m pretty easy to read. Mechanically, you will never read me.

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Let’s say plane, but only because that’s wackier for me to be on a legit separate airplane.

It’s actually plain, though.

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Actually I think plane is right because it's a geometry reference

I wanted to be in an aero plane or a geographical plain, though

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@Mod - VLA until 4/7

I replaced out of all my games so I’m not distracted for my prep for what I said earlier. I’m staying in this one because it’s in its infancy still, and I love the playerlist. I’ll try and post every now and then. Probably about the same as I have been, but I’m going to officially call it a VLA, but this is my only game right now.

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No wizard that there is or was will ever bring

MEEEEEEE

DOWWWWWWNNNNNN

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Most of the game was a conversation about me, tbh.

We’re dealing with me at Day 3.

I’m also VLA.

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To be fair, I’d have told my scum partner what I’d have been doing, or at least a general thing.

I talk a lot in scum threads.


Vorkuta/Hit/Vedith/Ausuka/Baezu and I think Fus I all have some reason to town read as of right now, so I’m liking how this game is going. Do I expect to be correct on all of those...? Hmm, more like...I wouldn’t be surprised if I was correct on all of those, but I won’t assume I am this day phase.

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This makes me want to rule out {RCE, Fusco, SS, FL} for now if we accept the premise Baezu is actually town here.

If these are all town slots, whew. Ausuka/FL/SS townblock would make me sweat as scum. Sorry fusco I think you're town I just don't know you as a player.

This could be scumRCE making a play if Ausuka/SS are also both town.

Not enough for me to push RCE today. I’ll be able to read him due to how he interacts with me later.

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Not enough for me to push RCE

today

. I’ll be able to

read him

due to how he interacts with me

later

.

Bolded these because I've said and seen similar things all around this game day now.
We are going to run out of lynch-options soon.

Honestly, I think that’s fine. We’re all players who can squeak by a Day 1 as scum, we talk it over to see who is the best lynch option.

Day 1 scum lynches generally don’t happen without bussing, so I play day 1’s to force scum to play specific ways and take stances on things like this.

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Lol, RCE, pretty sure Vedith is Umlaut

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*slot

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Don’t assume it’s 10v2. This site’s been having some weird stuff lately.

I just won a 9v4 scum game, 9v3 is still viable. Maybe 9 v 2.5.

I had a theory that Cby was just scum, but Volxen post was really townie to me.

Pointing out Ausuka doesn’t likely link that as scum is townie. I don’t see a reason to comment on that either way if Volxen was scum.

Like I said, I’m starting this whole chain of actions way of finding scum, but that single chain strikes blue.

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Before recently I’d say it’s totally fine assuming 10v3 and the like, but I feel the normal Queue is trying to mess with that lately. I don’t know if I’m a fan, but change is always fine. I like things evolving.

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I’m a day 3 IC, lynch me Day 3 if I’m not proven.

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And my cologne gambit was solviness, Slaxx. I gotta save the gambit now because it’s gonna be pointless now if I just say what it was going to be.

Like, I literally can’t play right now.

There’s nothing that can stop me from flipping, it just happens, so if you don’t know I’m town that day, lynch me there.

I left myself with zero outs there as scum, that’s not how I play scum at all.

VOTE: Alchemist

He’s been hatcheting me all game. Vedith is town with a bad read. We already know Slaxx is scum.

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Day 3 comes "I was.claiming IC to survive because town need me"

Lynch me if I say that then.

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Like, RCEnigma/Vorkuta/SS will all lynch me if that’s the case.

I literally have zero outs.

That is not a scum claim.

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Like, seriously, I need to leave and not focus on this game. I will be here.

Do not lynch me. You can check how I played my last IC game, and it’s essentially the same thing, except I already was flipped as town at this point.

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I’m doing my audition stuff as we speak, so I can’t be stressing about this. This is why I replaced out of all of my other games because I wasn’t going to have to high effort this game at the time.

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I’m a day 3 IC, lynch me Day 3 if I’m not proven.

We can Lynch you tomorrow if I find you to be scum. But not day 1. I have thoughts on your slot that I won't share today. But I won't vote here.

Fine. Either way, I flip green on Day 3.

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FL, the issue is that if you’re so confident I’m scum you should be lynching me but you’re not, and I don’t buy it.

Also, if there are 3 scum, day 3 is mylo with 2 MLS and 2 kills, so if this is one of your gambits its a stupid one.

I’m not confident in you being scum, I’m just acting like I am in case you are scum. It is the way I’ve chosen to potentially help get an accurate read on your slot.

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If y’all think i’m Confident in any of my reads right now, you cray cray.

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I’m a day 3 IC

Is this an ""official"" claim, or an ""FL gambit"" claim?

It’s an official claim.

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It’s Day 1. It’s silly to think I can be without a doubt right on that sort of read.

Slaxx, you are correct. I do have an agenda, but a scum one it is not.

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I’m actually getting town vibes from Slaxx off these last few posts, Vork.

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I’m a stronger town player than I am a scum player.

My tactics are strange, but they provide results.

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@Slaxx - look at how I played that last game with us.

I also didn’t have any confident reads early, and I stated Sad Sheep was pretty lock scum Day 1, then listed the 4 names, Mohab, Dr Worm, Sad Sheep, Slaxx. I went over them all, and decided Dr Worm was the best lynch because the other 3 were better to keep around longer rather than because I thought Worm was scum. Then he flipped scum.

I’m unsure why you think this is me playing differently.

I actively play differently in every game I play, however, so I guess that fits. I just have my same personality so some games come off similarly, and I can admit that.

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@Slaxx - I consider myself a reaction test player. My town games speak for themselves. My crazier town games are generally my better town games.

I think we’re both town atm, so let’s find scum.

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Vorkuta, you’re gonna get yourself killed.

I’m literally soul reading you right now.

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This is why you were killed the last time we were T/T.

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I also have no clue where Ras came from, but I’m afraid to when i eventually roll against scum him.

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@Slaxx - look at how I played that last game with us.

I also didn’t have any confident reads early, and I stated Sad Sheep was pretty lock scum Day 1, then listed the 4 names, Mohab, Dr Worm, Sad Sheep, Slaxx. I went over them all, and decided Dr Worm was the best lynch because the other 3 were better to keep around longer rather than because I thought Worm was scum. Then he flipped scum.

I’m unsure why you think this is me playing differently.

I actively play differently in every game I play, however, so I guess that fits. I just have my same personality so some games come off similarly, and I can admit that.

My main issue was the lack of flexibility in your reads. Last game you have my brain whiplash (same with the other game we were in, sheep’s I think) but this one you seemed very stagnant.

I'll be giving your brain whiiplash later in this game too.

I lurked out most of Day 1 in that game as well. A lot of activity early, few posts here and there, but then I go "aight, y'all done bickering, I'm ready to make a decision." kind of deal. I don't do much anything most Day 1's until I push for a lynch. Most of my talking is just me talking like this on Day 1.

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You know what? We have 12 players this game, the setup probably has something cool going on here. I'm intrigued with this setup.

Let's no lynch. I've been semi wanting to figure out alternative early game strategies. This seems like a perfect game to try it. All of our PR's can basically get a free night because we won't have any other claims outed.

VOTE: No Lynch


I'm serious.

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Or we could Tradeour horror stories of failed town gambits. I have loads.

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Vork’s town.

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@Slaxx - I’m the FL from last game. Vedith’s the Vedith, hopefully you’re the Slaxx, Vorkuta is the Jibril.

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I'm just here thinking whether FL actually should be the D1 lynch here.
I've seen games where he bullshits his way into D3/D4 (as scum), partly under the promise of "you can just lynch me then".
Meanwhile he kills/lynches all the so called "power-Townies" who actually could get him lynched and would keep their heads.
Meaning that he ends with a bunch of unconfident, incohesive players who he then manipulates further to get the lynches required for the win.

Lynching me Day 1 is effectively a policy due to just the mere paranoia of thought of me being scum.

Town me generally gets night killed right before scum thinks I’ll game solve, and if I don’t, I game solve :shrug:

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does town you have a big ego too?

Town me has a bigger ego than scum me.

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@Hit - you’re probably correct with the cologne thing, but I want to actually use the gambit, and if I explain it here, I don’t get to use it elsewhere.

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Do you know what the funniest thing about me being an IC this game is?

The fact that claiming it made me less likely to be night killed. Har har har.

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Waitwaitwait, if I die N1...scum!Boon will just use that cologne thing the way they originally intended.

I’m not doing the cologne bit at all this game, likely.

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BUT HOW AM I GOING TO KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY SCUM HERE?

I guess you’re just going to have to trust me.

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I have 11 town reads.

Vorkuta’s my strongest, though, can we not go there?

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And if we have a protecting role they should actually always be on FL unless proven Scum.

FL can go down N1/N2 for all I care.
If scum go for him it will save me from the paranoia and the struggle of trying to get him lynched D3 when their "IC" turns out to be "I made myself obv.town with my play".
Then again, I'm sure someone else than me would make a different judgement on who to save, so who knows.
Just my 2 cents to consider.

If I am ever killed Night 1/2, that means I’ve already instilled my fear into scum.

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Dannflor, were you at the Titus meetup back in 2014...?

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I was

Were you....because I was. there were like 18 ish people there a couple of the nights, but like 11 that stayed there regularly.

Hmm.

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I was a little baby youngin’ at the time. Youngest one there.

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I can’t tell if he’s messing with me or not.

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I am town reading Vedith, though. I just need to start trusting myself when it comes to reading Vedith. Hell, that’s my biggest issue as town, is my doubt and paranoia of tinfoils in the mid game.

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Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,

Who are you, what have you sacrificed

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VOTE: Volxen

He made the big one post, and I think it was a scum play now.

Scum like to break apart the Vorkuta-Flavor combo.

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I really don’t think Vorkuta is scum here. His strike comments and hyphen bullet point way of speaking just screams town. His humor is too genuine here.

He’s also been giving me the benefit of the doubt this entire game even right after I just had a very imMoral(ity) victory over him.

To be fair, RCE, Vorkuta, and SS are also being rather benefit of the doubt when regards to that, like they want to believe that I’m town here, but just can’t do that at this time.

But Vorkuta actually is. And the last time we were T/T he played the exact same way. Vorkuta is town here.

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Was that before or after Vorkuta thought you were scum with me?

After

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But you can see it in our posts.

Even mine. I’ve been stating Vork’s town for a while, and scum, who knows I am town, is going to push the people on my side to break down my support.

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Dannflor, were you at the Titus meetup back in 2014...?

No. I played for a brief time in 2012 and then only recently started getting into the community again.

Neat. Hope you stick around this time. I’m liking your modding style already, and shall continue to quote lyrics from every vote count.

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Get used to the flip flops.

I’m a known flip flopper.

Won’t be the last time.

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I think once you realize that I’m just a performer in general, everything about me just becomes much easier to read.

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Volxen isn’t a policy at all for me, tbh.

It’s a POE.

I have reasons to town read every single slot in this game, which means we have to buckle down on the agendas and see who’s actively pushing forth a town mindset, and while Volxen’s made some solid posts, he makes sense as the Day 1 lynch.

Anyone else can be read much easier later in the game based on stances they’ve taken, interactions they’ve given, and general outlook on the game thus far.

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Everything you ever post is NAI.

Only at face value.

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There’s a few players on site who can spot Town me from a mile away.

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That’s why Tchill was able to blind spot me for so long, even when I stated early he’s probably scum, but kept flip flopping.

In the thread where my Scummie win was announced, I brought up Tchill being the Misty to my Ash Ketchum. Unabombah the Brock, Gamma emerald the Pikachu.

They can all spot town me, and call me out if I’m scum, which is why if I’m scum against them I drastically have to play around them, and vice versa.

The OG Boon Babes.

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Will you light my...candle?

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Also, scum doesn’t flip flop as much because they try to stay consistent. My ultra consistent scum game is a double edged sword. Generally everything lines up almost too perfectly.

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I’m not sure.

I actually think Volxen has given a decent amount with his walls. It’s kind of a what he presented, how he presented, Kinda thing. Came off very projects to me, like he was trying to appease.

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This is quality.

Yeah, but is it quality town posting, or quality scum projecting a solid case onto a townie for reasons to “mislynch” them rather than scum read them.


Or is it scum who’s going down, who sees scumminess in their partner, so they case to distance?

He claimed VT, so I say we lynch there so we don’t have anymore claims this day phase. Worst case scenario, we lose a VT here, best case, he’s a scum PR.

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Just ISO me and look at some of my last few posts.

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Kill Volxen. I’m their traitor and I’m hard bussing.

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Vorkuta, join the Volxen wagon. Best lynch for the day.

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Pre-final read: FL is doing a lot of small town in things and I want to scumread him for every one of them.

Maybe FL should be investigated rather than Baezu, then. It wouldn't exactly be shocking if Slaxx and FL are scum together.

I flip IC Day 3. I don’t need to be investigated.

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The scum team is clearly Mustang, Volxen, and RCEnigma. Something can take the spot of RCE potentially, though

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@Vorkuta - Volxen flips red here.

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He’s pulling a Morality and creating WIFOM interactions for us to try and associate, but we’d be best to not look into it too deeply else we run falling for a WIFOM trap.

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Honestly, I’d prefer the day end here rather than give scum an out and to confuse town when we don’t have enough time so we go a panic lynch.

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I feel like I die tonight, so protective...like Vedith said...on me please.

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Volxen’s posts are near identical to ScumFlavor’s posts, justmore wally.

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I feel like I die tonight, so protective...like Vedith said...on me please.

I seriously doubt you will be targeted tonight, you aren't exactly obvtown. You should be investigated.

Me not being obv town doesn’t mean the scum team isn’t going to not worry about me.

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I should not be investigated...I’m a Day 3 IC.

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Like, Volxen is definitely scum, but I would relate it to almost a, “Man, I know he bad, but he look so guuuud” kinda way

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Vedith, Slaxx, Vorkuta, Baezu are my solid town reads. Fus might be there, he’s done some things i think are townie, but he seems like the lethargic type, and I think it could just be scum, but I am lean town there. I’m in a similar position with Ausuka, where I don’t think they’ve done anything scummy, but nothing they’ve done makes hem not scum, yet they come off townie, if that makes sense.

SS/RCE I’m a little null-lean scum area, but more because of POE/paranoia, and nothing they’ve done makes them outwardly townie to me.

Then you know my thoughts on Volxen.

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I’m not using meta for you at all. I just think you’re scummy. It’s a day 1 read. I’m a flip flopper. I think you’re a solid day 1 candidate here in this game state, and you’ve already claimed.

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We don’t need anymore tbh

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Oh my goodness. He’s so red. It gives me the kind of pain you get when you’re being tickled just a little bit too rough.

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Vorkuta, that juicy $25 hammer all yours.

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I want people to read him for him, 'spec if he's half the terror people make him out to be.

You put people on a pedestal, make believe they cant be read or beaten, and you end up with nacho, tam, etc.

I was scum once and both Nacho and Tamm townread me.

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Hammer the Volxen

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anywho, Ill be reading this afternoon. whenever i get to it.

You can read when the threads locked

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Yeah. Scum chat is locked during the day.

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FL what changes in your reads if Volxen flips town?

You are my candy girl

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It’s scum WIFOM, Slaxx. He’s distancing from his buddies. He might’ve claimed a buddy even in there. No way of truly confirming it

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only other possible wagon after that unvote is Ausuka now, but I’d rather go Volxen. We don’t need another claim this day phase. Volxen claimed VT, it’s the best route to go.

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I agree with the way wagons were being formed to get reads, and this wagon likely was just all town.

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What do you mean?

There’s plenty of reasons why ScumAusuka would stop a lynch on town you.

First being you claimed VT, so if you were actually town, you’d immediately think Ausuka was trying to get some other claims and a different lynch than just a VT mislynch.

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No Vorkuta wagon or we gonna get loads of flavor.

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No lynch is anti town when we have scumVolx here ready to be killed.

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Volxen-Alchemest-Ausuka is my order of most suspicious, which guarantees that’s not the scum team, but that’s what Day 1 surface reads are presenting to me here.

If Volxen isn’t lynched, then I imagine it’s just a no lynch, which i’m okay with.

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Side note, this has been a pretty great game so far, guys. Let’s keep it up.

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Cuz I’m having a good time

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Is this the way it ends?

(Ha, you thought I wouldn’t know Death Note the Musical, but you were wrong, Dannflor. My alt is Morality with a Light Yagami gift.

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This could be an all town wagon I think.

Nah, Alchemist just finally bussed.

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What?! There are people who grow on trees?!

But really though couldn’t they have found another story? I suppose next it’ll be Attack on Titan the Musical.

Haha, the music isn’t as good as the actual Death Note, but it has that Musical Theatre quality to it that just makes it kind of fun and silly to watch with live actors. I’d love to be in a production of it, tbh.

Obviously, I’d want to play Light. The Ryuk/L parts have crazy vocals

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Actually, I don’t think it makes sense for ScumAlchemist to bus here.

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Holy scum posting everywhere.

I never kill SS Night 1 here.

Also, Baezu’s opening posts are some of the scummiest posts I’ve ever seen idk if I think hems actually scum because of it, but yeah.

VOTE: Alchemist

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I have a guilty

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Claimed my IC ability so I wouldn’t get roleblocked.

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My guilty’s on Ausuka, not Alchemist.

Thoughts?

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Let me guess- Ausuka's one-shot investigative result is a guilty on FL
But FL is Day 3 IC

Nah, she was gonna town clear scum partner Alchemist to set them up for the end game.

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RCEnigma is probably the 3rd.

Vorkuta is never scum here.
I am trusting my gut read on Baezu town.
Fusc trajectory and reads are wtf if he’s scum, that’s just bad scum play, and I don’t think he plays like this. He’s also just self voting, which does absolutely nothing for his scum team, it’s kind of troll, and I see it coming from town.
Vedith’s scum game has been really good lately, so I’m hesitant to call it town, but I don’t think he makes that never lynch here as scum nor do i think he’s been playing towards a scum agenda.
HitAlt seems like genuine town, but this is my weakest town read. Fusc could just be on it.

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RCEnigma has been playing around me from the start, almost like he’s trying to buddy up with me and pseudo defend me because I wasn’t going down anyways.

He’s also doing a “ohhhh Flavor...I’m gonna getcha!!!” Play, which is actually why i’m pretty set on RCEnigma being scum.

Alchemist’s vote on Volxen screams of scum trying to get the mislynch.

If scum get a mislynch here, then we go to 4-3 best case scenario.

This is me assuming there are 3 scum, maybe 2.5.

I also was crumbing like I was a traitor yesterday, and Ausuka and Alchemist have both been playing around me like they thought I was, so that’s why I think there’s a traitor. Even if I’m wrong on that fact, i still think they are scum.

Alchemist is group scum, though.

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Auskua seemed to imply having a guilty result so I don’t see why you would assume a clear on me. But I highly doubt either of you has a role that can hard clear or guilty and don’t believe your claim at all.

Good setup.

I don’t have a hard guilty by my role. I claimed Day 3 IC so I wouldn’t get roleblocked, so technically I have a soft utility, but I wasn’t blocked, so it was a hard guilty.

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Kill Volxen. I’m their traitor and I’m hard bussing.

The scum team is clearly Mustang, Volxen, and RCEnigma. Something can take the spot of RCE potentially, though

With the knowledge that Mustang and RCE are both scum, and the fact I was pushing Volxen.

Coincidentally, there might be a world where Ausuka isn’t scum here despite this soft hard guilty but there isn’t a world where Alchemist isn’t.

I also have another major fake traitor crumb but I wasn’t in a rush and couldn’t find it.

Let me look for it again.

I’m pretty sure Vedith noticed me doing this also.

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There’s so much bullshit in those 2 posts I could fertilize the fields with it.

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

There is, but it’s ObvtownBoon BS, not ScumFL bs.

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Or we could Tradeour horror stories of failed town gambits. I have loads.

Here.

I put tradeour like traitor together, and I capitalized the T so it stood out.

I also stated “failed town gambits” in the same post, I have loads, implying I’ve been actively pulling a town gambit game.

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@Fus: Ausuka is 1-shot, which means after tonight she's just conf!town for all intents and purposes, so why would scum NK a ""VT"" when there are other PRs in play (like the Doc that Macho Implies, or FL, or... yeah)

Also- I don't know if I should be bringing this up, but is there still the chance for a 2 scum team this game?

Also I'm sorry- I can't resist.

soft hard guilty

ENGLISH

mf

DO YOU SPEAK IT??

There’s 0 chance for a 2 person scum team this game.

It’s 2.5 or 3.

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I’m actually starting to lean more towards a 3 person scum team, no traitor. Which kinda wrecks my theory of the traitor, and Alchemist playing around it.

There’s zero doubt in my mind that RCEnigma is scum, though.

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If scum were lynched Day 1, and SS hit the other scum, this game would be over by Night 1 if it were a 2 person scum team or 2.5, not to mention my role.

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Important

I think Alchemist essentially scum claimed and implied Ausuka is actually town with the 1 shot.

I claimed a guilty on Ausuka but voted Alchemist to bait Alchemist. Him knowing Ausuka is town had him go after me, which gives credence towards TownAusuka, but allows for Ausuka to be mislynched.

I am not actually an investigative; that was a gambit. I’m day 3 IC.

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There’s no traitor this game. Not with SS role.

Alchemist/RCE scum, i’m unsure where the last one is.

Hit/Fusc/Ausuka/possible Vedith.

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Him knowing Ausuka is town

This was proven.... where...?

It’s not proven, it’s hypothetical. ScumAlchemist knows whether or not Ausuka is town or scum.

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Important

I think Alchemist essentially scum claimed and implied Ausuka is actually town with the 1 shot.

I claimed a guilty on Ausuka but voted Alchemist to bait Alchemist. Him knowing Ausuka is town had him go after me, which gives credence towards TownAusuka, but allows for Ausuka to be mislynched.

I am not actually an investigative; that was a gambit. I’m day 3 IC.

No, you just spouted bullshit in an attempt to push me. You came in this Day phase thinking you could get an easy push on me (already a bad idea) and did it in the worst way possible.

Sure, but I disagree that it’s easy. I’ll admit to all of this. Except it’s coming from TownMe towards ScumYou.

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@Alch- Is FL wrong!town or scum?

@FL- for this gambit to "work"... you need the real-time interaction with Alch yes? (like RCE hasn't reported in)
Idk I can't keep up. When my Fus wagon fails I'll probably sheep you unless something else happens, but I'd like to be spoonfed in the time being.

He getting the Third Degree Boon.

Alchemist was already aware that I saw him as scum prior to this day phase. You can look at Day 1 to see our interactions.

Also, Alchemist hasn’t been a heavy poster this game yet he just happens to be here RIGHT when I do that gambit?

I just needed someone that I didn’t necessarily town read to pull the gambit on, Alchemist/RCE were the main 2 I was baiting it out for, though, yes.

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@Alch- Is FL wrong!town or scum?

@FL- for this gambit to "work"... you need the real-time interaction with Alch yes? (like RCE hasn't reported in)
Idk I can't keep up. When my Fus wagon fails I'll probably sheep you unless something else happens, but I'd like to be spoonfed in the time being.

Scum. If I thought he was just wrong Town I wouldn’t vote him.

I guess when I flip IC tomorrow this line of thinking won’t even matter, right?

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I even called him out for chainsawing me, then called him out end of the day that it didn’t make sense for ScumAlchemist to be bussing Volxen, but he wasn’t bussing; Volxen was town.

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Also, Alchemist hasn’t been a heavy poster this game yet he just happens to be here RIGHT when I do that gambit?

Me not being a heavy poster is exactly why I think you saw me as an easy push.

I know you as a player. I think you’re a strong player. I don’t think I’ve ever implied you weren’t. Why would I see you as an easy push? I also don’t think I’ve ever pushed you before, even when I was scum.

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You joined the site just shortly after I did. There aren’t too many 2013-2014 era players on site anymore really, but we make up that portion. You can’t have been here as long as you have and be considered an easy push. I don’t like that line of reasoning.

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How many games do we even have together? I can only recall two and didn’t think I had left a strong impression on anyone in at least the Town one and I was scum in the second. And I never said you said I wasn’t a strong player, that’s what I think how scum would see me after D1.

I’m Boonskiies.

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I can’t actually recall how many games we’ve played, but I know we have played games years back.

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Hmm. Interesting. I feel like I very much know of you, though. Overkill 2 was the game I remember playing with you recently, and I had definitely known of you far before then.

Maybe the modding thing. Hmm.

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Damn, my play has evolved so much, however I got 4 of my “Did somebody say L-1?” Hammers in that game.

Although, I think you can look at that game and see that this is my town game. That was a mid 2016 game. Funny you can see that the FL vs RC heated arguments were going on then too.

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Nuff said on the games I mess around in are the town games I win.

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I actually don’t really remember that game, to be honest.

Rereading it I didn’t even get back any memories.

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Okay. It’s time then.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Good luck, RCE.

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I’m pretty sold on VorkuraTown, but if he’s scum, I’m probably just blind spotted. I do think he’s strong town, though.

I have no interest in your lynch, and I am gut town reading you despite, but actively not wanting to go along with that, if that makes sense.

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The kill on SS happens from a player who has played with SS before, I just feel it, which goes along with RCEnigma scum.

Honestly, RCE’s day 1 is pretty rough and pandering when you look back on it. He didn’t do anything necessarily wrong, and I don’t know how to explain it deeply just yet, but he’s just scum.

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I have no interest in your lynch, and I am gut town reading you despite, but actively not wanting to go along with that, if that makes sense.

But then you should have no trouble lynching Baezu with me today?
Also, dig deep with me here.
I did exactly what I set out to do.
I feel a bit ashamed though.

I have some strong gut town read and not so gut town read for Baezu, but I am debating if I should relook at that.

However, I’ve noticed I’m generally correct when players are positioned like Baezu, and then I eventually talk myself/get talked into lynching them, and then I’m night killed right after, so I kind of don’t want to fall into that trap here...

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Vorkuta
HitAlt
Baezu
Alchemist21

Vedith
Fuscosco

Ausuka

RCEnigma

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This is where I’m at right now. I think I’m nearing a solve. Even if all 3 scum are in my town reads, I think i’m Nearing whatever I need to give a solid push towards an endgame.

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Well, I'm the one trying to talk you into it, and if you read my rambling with the right kind of glasses, you should be able to see that I have nothing to kill you with.

Well, I think Baezu is town and the fact that you are just straight up trying to talk me into a possible ScumBaezu makes me think you are town, even while, actually, especially while thinking Baezu is town.

Scum are going to try and make that happen, but I don’t see them coming out of the gates like this. I noticed some kind of switch recently, where scum aren’t trying to mislynch me anymore, they’re trying to have me push mislynches, and kill me off before so a flip flop.

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This makes me want to rule out {RCE, Fusco, SS, FL} for now if we accept the premise Baezu is actually town here.

If these are all town slots, whew. Ausuka/FL/SS townblock would make me sweat as scum. Sorry fusco I think you're town I just don't know you as a player.

This pulls away from RCE/Fuos for me, it seems like he’s generallly interacting with someone who didn’t cross his mind, so not a partner.

I’m ready for Ausuka to come in, I think. That’s a slot I need to start sorting.

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Oh my gosh...I know who you are...obviously I won’t say anything, but like...I don’t actually know for sure who you are, but I know that physically...I

know

who you are.

I’m feeling a soul read, and I can’t tell if it’s because I generally think you’re town, or you’re scum who knows how to work me because of our familiarity. But like, there’s a strong familiarity between us...hmm...

I’m trusting that town read.

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Nevermind, got it.

Hit’s town.

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Vorkuta
HitAlt
Baezu
Alchemist21

Vedith
Fuscosco

Ausuka

RCEnigma

Are you saying that volx was an all town wagon?

I’m actually playing with a Baezu scum read right now.