Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah, man...is it Hit and Vorkuta...?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh no!!!!

It’s Vorkuta, HitAlt, RCEnigma team!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

HitAlt’s is seducing me off his partner. This is like hatcheting, but instead of discrediting me while I’m pushing a partner, he’s working with me, and AtE’ing, and pulling on my strings to get me to move off his partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Baezu
Alchemist
Ausuka

Vedith/Fuos

Vorkuta
HitAlt

RCEnigma

______

Aaaaah...Vedith, I need a reason to town read you harder.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I blink 1 more time, will you 180 and pull 3 completely new names out of a hat or....?

Maybe. I’m debating switching you and Fuos...

But I think i got you guys?

I also haven’t 180’d as you’re pushing that many times, this is essentially just one exact 180, and not even that much, as RCEnigma has been there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Booooooooooooooooonnnnnnnn.......

You were seducing me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if anyone had ANY doubt that I was town before, I feel that doubt should be gone.

[Flavor Leaf]

I. THINK. VORK. IS. A. GOOD. LYNCH. SAID. IT. A. HUNDRED. TIMES.

Yeah, maybe I want to switch you with Fuos...

[Flavor Leaf]

Interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

only other possible wagon after that unvote is Ausuka now, but I’d rather go Volxen. We don’t need another claim this day phase. Volxen claimed VT, it’s the best route to go.

Flavor explain this read please.

Your D3 IC is a real claim if you're town right?

Day 3 I will become confirmed town, yes.

I didn’t want any more claims coming out of Volxen, and at the time of the game, I didn’t really have many scum reads, and Volxen was a good lynch who I thought was scum. I believe the wagon is actually going to be pretty relevant laterq

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - when were you going to claim your result? I believe you’re town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm going to claim my result later. I think that, if I reveal it now, we might lose out on how scum plays around a slot that is confirmed to be innocent or guilty. So in the long run, I think that for now it's better to hide it. I'm definitely going to reveal it on d2 far away from deadline, though.

Sounds good. Play close to your chest here. I got you as locktown.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do I need to lynch Ausuka?

I don't know, do you?

RCE what are your reads right now?

Ausuka/fusco/baezu/SS/cby as town or townleans

FL is in a void of his own.

I like slaxx better than siv but not enough to move into my town.
Liked Vorkuta early but he's playing at this ate game that I don't really recall from his town games.

I think my pool would probably be something like Vorkuta/alchemist/slaxx/HitAlt

I think Umlaut is the only person I'm leaving out but I have 0 read and anyone that claims otherwise is bs'ing.

We know two of RCE’s town reads were town, and one of his pool reads were town. I believe Alchemist to be scum, and I don’t think he lists both his partners here.

Exactly one of Vorkuta/Hit is scum. Ausuka is town from claim, as there’s zero reason to play as she is right now as scum.

Leaves Fusco and Baezu.


RCEnigma, one of Vorkuta-Hit, one of Baezu-Fuos.

Only wild card is Vedith.

Hit/Fuos or Vork/Baezu are the likely pairings of the 2, so gotta figure out which. I can make a case for Hit either way because I’m naturally town reading them, but I feel it could be a scum player who knows now to work me well because it feels similar to how Tchill deals with me when he’s scum.

@Vedith - would you agree with ScumTchill’s play towards me is pretty similar to a combination of RCEnigma and Hit?

[Flavor Leaf]

So I don't really buy into the FL-Slaxx scum team based on how 1,2,3 their interactions are. So I don't see them going hard 1v1 with each other sure (not saying they did here, just saying I think it's too basic for it to be the play) and they way they interacted was :

Slaxx: you aren't flipping your reads like you would as town.
FL: -flips reads-
Slaxx: well he did that thing I said he does as town.

FL wouldn't let scum theatre like that fly he would drive his partner into the dirt over it.

FL/Slaxx is never 2 scum. 1 between them I could see, it's still a weird interaction imo in isolation.

Incredibly easy to make case that ends up being complete fluff once one of us flip and while knowing we are both green.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL shouldn't be investigated as he resolves himself. I have a solid read on him already but it won't matter till tomorrow and even then it's going to be largely ignored because he claimed for day 3 so people are gonna defend with that.

Protective should probably be on him though.

This is actively making sure an investigative doesn’t target me to clear me so there’s still that Flavor Leaf paranoia in the game.

Case in point, I am always a solid investigation for Night 1, no questions about it. RCE is the type of player who wouldn’t argue this as town, but could get away with it as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pre-final read: FL is doing a lot of small town in things and I want to scumread him for every one of them.

This is a hatchet to halt any momentum townie things I’d be doing.

[Flavor Leaf]

he's not a fukkin ic.

like, i thought vedi was just going along w/it, but this, this is getting ooh

It literally doesn't matter.

Can you guys not compartmentalize?
What you should be doing is putting his claim in a box and setting it to the side. If he's scum its not important to catching his partners and shouldn't be the basis you scumhunt him on.

This is a point towards not a Fuos/RCEnigma pairing.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL what changes in your reads if Volxen flips town?

TMI

[Flavor Leaf]

Volxen is town, Ausuka is town, FL is town and scum biased but he'll figure it out. Alchemist would have been a way better Lynch today.

Setup for a future Alchemist lynch without hard pushing.

[Flavor Leaf]

This makes me want to rule out {RCE, Fusco, SS, FL} for now if we accept the premise Baezu is actually town here.

If these are all town slots, whew. Ausuka/FL/SS townblock would make me sweat as scum. Sorry fusco I think you're town I just don't know you as a player.

This is actually the most telling considering SS was killed. SS might not have been killed for a Vig crumb. I didn’t pick it up. Ausuka and I were just setup to be more targetable, and we were of this dangerous town block.

Also, the fact he made this list while omitting himself is scum indicative.

If we were pondering the Ausuka/FL/SS all town, he would also be a part of that block this he should have put himself in there as well. Even if you say he’s being hypothetical, he brings up it would make him sweat as scum, and it

did

make him sweat as scum. That’s why he killed SS. That’s why when you look in his ISO he has played completely in a way to simply survive a political game with Ausuka and Myself in this game, 2 of his self claimed threats to scum of town. He’s been pseudo defending us to keep us nice and not pushing him, while making sure he can turn on us if need be.

RCEnigma is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm willing to buy town!FL due to the promised D3 IC flip.

no shit right

However this reasoning is not something I can blindly sheep behind, ESPECIALLY considering the volxen mislynch.

Good hatchet.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCEnigma, one of Vorkuta-Hit, one of Baezu-Fuos.

Here's my issue. FL. Almost every other post of yours on D2 has been a gambit, or a read change, or a plot to get bussing, or something to get people to distance.
Obviously I'm slightly butthurt that the FL-Vork bros4lyfe is no longer a thing, but I don't remember town FL being THIS disruptive.

I am always a solid investigation for Night 1

Will this stand in any and all future games we might have together?
If so, can I quote this in said future games?

Yeah, haha. I already expect to get investigated Night 1 for the most part.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I’m correct on RCEnigma. I’ll have some more stuff to say on this post game about everything, but I’m not gambiting here. I swear on UnaBombah, and I wouldn’t do anything to harm that fella.

I think your defense of RCEnigma is unwarranted, to be honest, as I believe I have a rather strong case in that last section to implicate ScumRCE.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would I do that? I think RCEnigma’s scum.

I don’t believe I 180’d really, tbh, and if I did, I only did it once. I think I just analyzed the game, and my reads evolved.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, Ausuka.

Or he’s just scum. :shrug:

I’m assuming that’s your investigation then because you seemed to have a strong thought on it.

If so, I guess I’m wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d also like to point out when regarding Vorkuta, that even when I started to push him in late game in that last game, where he was town he didn’t start shading me ever. I was scum there.

I think this is ScumVorkuta who doesn’t know how to react towards me not town reading him anymore when he was confident in that being a thing here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, and I don’t want you today.

I feel I’ve been very transparent in my reads, tbh. Even my Flips.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, you can, but I will have an answer for everything.

I’m not afraid of retaliation. I get in most of my more infamous 1v1s when I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s also irrelevant because I’ll be confirmed tomorrow, and you said you put stock into that, so that’s just sort of an empty statement.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bar an Inno, RCEnigma.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it’s okay to shade in games. Nothing personal attached.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hit

I’m not really sure pairing wise, but I can do a one or the other kind of deal.

Vedith or Ausuka, never both.

I don’t think both Hit and Vorkuta are scum together, but probably one, so if you’re town Hit, I think you’re probably right about Vorkuta.

Baezu’s town, though. Fuos is in a weird spot for me because he keeps voting himself and I can’t tell if it’s a scum ploy or town doing it.

RCEnigma is still scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, I scum slip as town more than I do as scum.

I think I did mean Alchemist is town not scum. Lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Baezu
Alchemist
Ausuka

Vedith/Fuos

Vorkuta
HitAlt

RCEnigma

______

Aaaaah...Vedith, I need a reason to town read you harder.

Pretty sure this solve list is just correct.

3 of the 5 not too town reads are scum. Just gotta find the 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vedith baaaaabyyyy shark dudududu.

Could this be a bus vote?

[Flavor Leaf]

1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

Hmm, initially I thought this was a joke at him calling me Mafia, but after SS flip I think scum might have been informed of a Vigilante, and they were potentially fishing.

There was a lot of Vig talk in the latter half of Day 1, I’m gonna go back and look at it. I feel scum knew there was a Vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Baezu - I’m flip flopping on everyone’s slot for the most part. I think it’s good to do that so people don’t go through my blind spot. It gets me closer to a solve. I think you’re town, though. I’m not not trusting that.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vedith baaaaabyyyy shark dudududu.

Could this be a bus vote?

Any vote could be, if you scumbias yourself enough.

Idk. I don’t think Ausuka-Vedith is scum/scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I’m willing to lynch in Vorkuta and Fuos today if I can’t get RCE. Once I’m conf town, I’ll 1v1 RCE if I don’t die tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think scum kill me, though, for the sake they might think I’m town faking it. Am I faking it, scum? Am I?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the team is RCE, Vorkuta, and then one of Vedith/Fuos.

VOTE: Vorkuta

I’ll just go here then. Sorry, Vorky. I think you’re scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m being non stop hatcheted this game which makes me feel I’m on the right path, but can’t do much about it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

Well if it's just going to be discussion on how Volxen is scum then there isn't much point and you should hammer now.

Dude

You can hammer too

Lmfao

I'm not going to hammer someone I think is town.

See slaxx- I outed scum!vedith. All aboard the vedith wagon

train leaves in 3 hours

/s

No, I'm asking you why you're concerned about waiting another hour or so for the lynch.
Like look- not hammering puts ME in a really really bad game spot.
Similarly, anyone jumping off the wagon before the will put THEM in a bad game spot.
Both of these cases are pretty much akin to a scum claim.

Think Vedith is scum, might explain tomorrow, might die. Exciting.

Think Vedith is scum, might explain tomorrow, might die. Exciting.

No might about it!

A mix of #1088 and

Vedith I'm scared of from #1106

I think Vedith has a playstyle that has little counterplay when it comes to reading it, and I don't like that.
He can hide behind "LOL WAS TROLL" regardless of what he says and that kind of bugs me, but from what I understand that's Vedith in every game.
He's also been shown to try quite hard to go with the flow, asking people which way to sheep, and that bugs me, but I'm pretty sure this is slightly more town!Vedith behavior.

Also he joined my fus wagon for a bit, so that was nice

Think Vedith is scum, explain tomorrow, die. Exciting.

No might about it!

Are you... threatening RCE...? really?

I mean ^ case in point, but still.

I nominate that to the

journal of obvious grammar

Have any of you actually played against scum me?
Actually wondering.

-1
You were town neighbor in our only game together (NK's 2058) so I'm primarily deferring to FL's read on you for my meta.

I'm not arguing how you should read me btw I actually wondered.
FL might be the only one I think.

I give up- I want to sleep, and there's really no point now that I see the lack of anything.

VOTE: Volxen = Hammered.

3 way scum theatre...?

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s a mixture of your hatcheting instantly once I took off my rose colored glasses, the fact you were on the final 4 of the Volxen wagon, which I now believe there’s probably 2 scum on, Vedith, Hit, Alchemist, Vorkuta were the final 4, Baezu/Slaxx were right after me, so i know those are all green bar an Ausuka/Baezu scum team, but that’s it.

You pandered at the end of the day yesterday. You make sense as the one of Hit/Vorkuta. You started to come off politically rather than town agenda’d to keep balance, which is destroyed when I flip flop, so you flailed a bit afterwards.

You were being protected by both Vedith and RCE alongside myself meaning that staying on my good side was likely a planned thing, even if they don’t end up being your partners.

RCE’s town case into losing it is looking like semi setting up distance.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’ve been pretty consistent with my thoughts, tbh. My reads just change.

And you wanting a case on me looks like you just want to try to hatchet it all in one fell swoop.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid

[Flavor Leaf]

Do I even want to read that giant axe swing?

[Flavor Leaf]

SS was night killed because of the Ausuka/FL/SS all town threat.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t wanna go down the rabbit hole of NKA WIFOM right now.

It ain’t WIFOM. Even if that isn’t the direct reason, it’s definitely subconscious.

I am getting some hesitation with Vorkuta, but mainly because I’d feel bad if I mislynch him, but that kind of thinking gets me in trouble when players like him do roll scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think he had a point about nobody being able to justify not being on Fus though. Fus is kinda just skating by and if nothing else I think the slot does need pressure.

While I do feel Fus has a slight chance of being scum, I just think that makes her the more obvious scape goat for scum, which is a reason I don’t really want to go there.

She also doesn’t make it through end game, so if we hit her buddies, I don’t think she wins it solo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, you did.

[Flavor Leaf]

Typically it wouldn’t be “technically” hatcheting if it isn’t scum doing it, because like chainsawing, it requires players helping a partner out, but the enthusiasm is great.

[Flavor Leaf]

And then Seducing, which I tried coining earlier, not sure if that one’s gonna stock , is also similar, but instead of discrediting to protect a partner, you charm said player and buddy up with them to “get them off”. Not in a dirty way, but :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

You mean like how Palpatine seduced Anakin to the dark side?

Yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

So when my scum buddies say "hey FL- you TR me, so let's get off scum!vork", that's seducing,
But when my scum buddies say "hey FL- NO, that's not really true and here's why...", that's hatcheting.

And regardless of which term is used, I am still scum.
Do you guys... see a slight problem with this?

This is an example of a hatchet.

I wasn’t saying you were seducing anyone, though, so that’s a misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

You mean like how Palpatine seduced Anakin to the dark side?

Yes.

Well, that’s actually a more Warlocking. Anakin wasnt going after a partner of Palpatine. He just made Anakin do his dirty work and kill off the town while Anakin. Anakin takes the brunt of the damage done, while Palpatine gets to sit behind, and just had to deal with the actual townie, Yoda, who could see through Mafia Palpatine’s warlocking attempt on Anakin. That’s why Yoda was fuzzy. He was null on Anakin, but Anakin was actually town aligned, and ended up seeing that in 3p LYLO with Luke, Palpatine, and Vader, so Town won.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s go Fusc today then.

VOTE: Fuscosco

I’m still thinking it’s RCE-Vorkuta with Hit/Vedith/Fusc as the last slot.

Some flips will do this game good.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dude I think you just hammered him

That’s what I do best.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also how is Baezu town with those posts.

Something Smart in dead thread: it’s...because she’s not...

I still think Baezu is town for the record.

[Flavor Leaf]

So scummy to hammer without stating intent, asking for claim, or even pointing out L-1

I’m town, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is an example of a hatchet.

When scum!vork attacks a scum!vork claim, it becomes a hatchet.
What about when town!vork attacks a scum!vork push?

Vork getting stuck on annoyance/semantics doesn't help my read on them at all.

I'm being facetious in trying to get my point across.
FL has vomited ALL OF THE TEXT- (feel free to ISO him)
IN THAT PILE of vomit, there is a case for scum!(anyone), town!(anyone), scum!pair(almost anyone), and he's free to cherry pick as he chooses whenever he wants to.
That is my 'annoyance'- a criticism of what he's doing this game, and an 'appeal' to the rest of town that this should not be acceptable.

Yeah, you’ve never played with town me past Day 1 before, have you? Haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, you can tell that I actually didn’t know it was L-1, or I’d have said “Did somebody say L-1?”

Regardless, I let it be known that that’s where I was fine with the lynch for the day anyways.

I don’t necessarily think it reds.

[Flavor Leaf]

I almost strictly mobile post. I think it’s funny that I’ve gotten to the point where I can ninja people fast this way.

[Flavor Leaf]

I knew people were on it, but I didn’t think about it only needed 5 people.

I would have likely hammered either way.

[Flavor Leaf]

GET OUTTA HERE BOYS I FREAKIN DID IT

[Flavor Leaf]

I spent so much time making sure I got the right person.

Not only did I choose Hit, but I actually called him out as the protective role.

It’s all in my personal PT, you can check my excellence after the match.

[Flavor Leaf]

And guess what else?!?

Alchemist and Vedith is the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mass claim time.

Vedith and Alchemist first.

RCE and Vorkuta next.

Baezu.

Then Ausuka.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, RCE, can you claim right now.

The majority of my analysis, it was in my head that you were lock scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Had I miskilled and a mafia had a kill go through, that would have been game over.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll go after Vorkuta tbh. Think there is gonna be a 1v1 anyways.

P.s massclaim blows but eh.

Nope.

I have plenty of analysis to bring up that implicates certain scum teams and why certain ones don’t exist.

[Flavor Leaf]

2 scum within Alchemist/RCEnigma/Vedith/Vorkuta

I could see me being wrong with Alchemist/Vedith, so let’s talk this out.

This game is solved today.

I had some paranoia about Ausuka being a gunsmith, and Baezu a scum doctor, but Hit breaks that theory.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually that was probably a mistake. This seems really townsided tbh.

Well, we had one less player than we normally do.

Setups are being created to play with scum amount, I feel. This had 12 players.

Loyal doc. Got it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just so you know, you are coming off super scummy here like scum upset that the setup isn’t seeming fair.

[Flavor Leaf]

1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

Don’t worry. I’ll no kill tonight. Sound good?

And No Kill Night 1, I did.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, choose any one of the remaining 3 to shoot and I'll save them. If they live they're town, if they die they're scum.

Sounds good.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd just complain post game if I was scum being screwed by the setup. But double vig with loyal doc and an invest, even if it's 1 shot. Even in a 12 man setup feels...bad for scum idk.

They had a doctor :shrug: probably something else as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Obviously going Alchemist here, because RCE’s just dead tomorrow, and RCE claimed a protective.

I’m 2 shot, so I’d just kill RCE. It literally doesn’t matter.

This is a town victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

*if scum, dead.

And he claimed to have more protective shots, which I’m willing to believe because I’ll just shoot him otherwise.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith/Vorkuta claim in their next post.

Ausuka/Baezu claim after they do.

[Flavor Leaf]

1 in Alchemist/RCE

1 in Vedith/Vorkuta

Let’s talk this out a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually willing to lynch within Vedith/Vorkuta today, because then I’m forced to not be killed because of RCE’s loyal doc.

If we’re wrong on Vorkuta/Vedith, I’ll kill the other.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not relying. We’re 5-2, we have a mislynch.

I’d rather just have the extra potential night alive. We have the same set of 1v1’s anyways.

Vedith/Vorkuta are now also a direct 1v1.

[Flavor Leaf]

No we are lynching within me and alchemist. I wouldn't save you when we can confirm/kill by coordinating the save and shot.

No, you save me because we don’t trust you. After we go in Vorkuta/Vedith, you physically will have to know it’s Alchemist already anyways.

If we go in Vorkuta/Vedith, you 100% know the scum team no matter what.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me/alchemist is the better path for town. Still won't be saving you either way.

This is a scum agenda path.

It’s not better for town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s literally the same thing: your hesitance is just making it seem like you’re scum trying to avoid the scenario so the partner in Vorkuta/Vedith can sweep it out.

That means the roleblocker is probably in one of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

We go in Vorkuta/Vedith today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which of Vorkuta/Vedith do you think it is, Alchemist?

[Flavor Leaf]

I started the night shooting Alchemist, then changed it to RCEnigma before eventually settling on Hit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let me pull some of my research in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Guys Vedith is never scum here. Trust me on this one.

I’m not sure but I’d lean more towards Vedith. His play was kinda what I would expect if he had a PR, even before and after all the vig stuff, so I’m thinking he’s the best bet for a scum Roleblocker.

[Flavor Leaf]

If me Ausuka and Volxen are all alive tonight then Vig shoots in these 3.
Then we lynch in these 3 until there are 2 red flips.

Fuck, I'm good at this game.

This is an easy play to make and come off as townie when you know a Mafia Doctor is your buddy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually have zero doubt Vedith is scum here, tbh.

One of my biggest things I was looking for was a reason to town read Vedith. Just any actual good reason. And he’s just scum here.

With you or RCE. Vorkuta is likely town based on Hit’s push.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel Alchemist is distancing right now.

I’m okay lynching Alchemist then killing RCEnigma if I need to.

Lynch Vedith tomorrow.

He’s gonna try and talk and bs his way out of it, but yeah. He’s gonna do it well, but he’s scum.

Ausuka has that correct yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

I told you guys I was coming to a game solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

[7]

volxen

:

Flavor Leaf

890,

Baezu

903,

Slaxx

930,

Vedith

1008,

HitAlt

1097,

Alchemist21

1306,

Vorkuta

1374
[2]

Vorkuta

:

RCEnigma

722,

Something_Smart

1202
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Fuscosco

1050
[1]

Slaxx

:

volxen

1015
[1]

Vedith

:

Ausuka

1242

Day 2

[5]

Fuscosco

:

Vorkuta

1395,

Fuscosco

1397,

Alchemist21

1633,

Ausuka

1661,

Flavor Leaf

1663
[1]

Ausuka

:

Vedith

1580
[1]

Vedith

:

RCEnigma

1584
[1]

Vorkuta

:

HitAlt

1614

[1] Not Voting :

Baezu

[Flavor Leaf]

Alchemist joins that wagon late after being on another wagon for a bit and uses the end of day excuse.

It also makes sense considering the first 4 on wagon were all town, the 3 who don’t hammer are scum

I don’t think both scum needed to be on Fusc, tbh.

And Vork has a lot of pressure. I think Alchemist joined the wagon and that setup the wagon there.

If Vorkuta is town, he should see Alchemist as 100% scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually fully plan on lynching Alchemist then shooting Vedith.

Honestly, this is probably GG.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly this game is done. Vedith is scum, Ausuka confirmed town.

RCEnigma if scum is caught already. It’s Vedith and one of RCE/Alchemist.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh yeah, there’s a giant case to be made for RCE to be scum. I thought he was lock scum at the start of the night.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can wagon there but was hoping you’d have a more confident read. I think wagoning him will help more for sorting the people on/off the wagon rather than Boon himself, but I don’t really know Boon well enough to know his tells.

Not really feeling the Baezu vote anymore though.

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

VOTE: FL

Also right after Slaxx made a case on me this happened, and Alchemist has come at me every single day phase. I voted Alchemist right after this, and he knew he wasn’t hatcheting because he knew Volxen was town.

Vedith also played around me like he wanted me here because, as scum, he knew town me was bs’ing and probably planned on getting me today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, hindsight, besides the self voting, Fusc had some pretty fire content that snuck under the radar. His reads have been great. He was constantly saying Hit was scum, and Hit avoided Fusc and is a proven scum off the wagon.

We know one of Alchemist or Vorkuta are scum. We know one Alchemist or RCEnigma are scum. We know 1 of Vorkuta and Vedith are scum.

RCE / Alchemist aren’t gambiting here or else town would have an actual protective here and cause another doctor counter claim. So we good.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE did choose to follow onto vedith which I thought looked like a bus vote, but it was just almost to busy after looking at it.

It’s just Alchemist/Vedith.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: FL
I'm a simple person- I don't see the promised D3 IC flip, I don't believe a word he says, and I don't buy his "choose 2 out of 4" solve.
I have never played a game where it was ALLEGEDLY this 'easy and simple'.

Is this a scum claim...?

Lol.

I am confirm town because of the uncounter claimed Vig shot and scum flip.

Maybe I’m wrong on Vedith if this is him legit pushing me here.

Only one of Vedith/Vorkuta is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also say it was simple, but it was hard as hell to get to this point. You can see post game how much effort I put into it.

I have effectively flipped green this game after the Hit flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, damn, ya got me there...

I’m kind of in shock right now, but alright. I see no reason to continue this. I’m kind of stuck in a disbelief and laughing at how hard core paranoid you seem right now, that I still think that you are town and throwing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk what you’re talking about.

I was nearly town clearing you, Vork. I said Vedith was scum, and you and Vedith are exactly 1 scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already lost my scum streak.

Vedith and I lost in a recent game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also said yesterday i thought 1 of Hit and Vorkuta were scum.

There is also at least 1 scum in Vorkuta/Alchemist.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why tonight? Because I claimed Day 3 IC and I had to get a kill.

@Vork - Why, as ScumPartners with Hit, do I kill there, and make this game twice as hard instead of just killing town and going into lylo can where I would just push you anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Vork - Why, as ScumPartners with Hit, do I kill there, and make this game twice as hard instead of just killing town and going into lylo can where I would just push you anyways.

So you can ask this very question and leave every single player here stumped.

Vorkuta...I don’t play anti wincon, and there’s 2 other players I’d have to worry about.

Unvote please. Let’s take time for this day. Wasn’t that what you were pushing Day 1?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wtf. Who votes anyone claiming a kill on scum?

You never vote that unless it’s RadiantCowbells and the start of D2.

Yeah, it’s a crazy bold scum play move if he’s scum, but maybe the legend of the Boon just broke him :shrug: mad paranoia.

This changes things.

Maybe he’ll out the partner with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Vorkuta - I’m known as one of the most helpful scum mates. I don’t screw my partners over like that, and I like to win perfect scum victories because my scum game strength is in the early mid game. I also am known not to bus without a lot of merit because I like pushing together.

Vedith just posted at the beginning of our last scum game, paraphrasing “awesome FL, I don’t have to do anything”

And Tchill brought up in another game how helpful as scum I am.

I don’t take out my partners without their permission

Also, that’s literally game throwing. Vorkuta, If you’re scum you’re some sick minded heathen, and I freakin’ love it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Its not an outside my scum range, it’s under my scum range. That’s just bad play.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know if Ausuka doesn’t have an actual 100% clear on Baezu, I will think that the team is Vork and Baezu because both have hinted at scum somehow knowing there would be a vig kill last Night. There’s no reason anyone should have expected that unless scum were informed 2 vigs existed.

They were. Vedith was trying to bait vigilante’s on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

And that fits with Vedith and co trying to figure out who the vig’s We’re.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait I forgot about Rce lmao

[Flavor Leaf]

You might as well vote me, Alchemist.

Maybe someone else misreads it, and votes, me then your buddy Vedith can hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Had I miskilled and a mafia had a kill go through, that would have been game over.

This was why I was so pissed about the fusc lynch

Wait, what do you mean? You didn’t know I was a Vigilante and thus had no reason to say this.

We are in need of an Ausuka claim.

Also, Vorkuta, you didn’t claim either.

Probably waiting for Vedith, I guess.

You need to claim, though

[Flavor Leaf]

You might as well vote me, Alchemist.

Maybe someone else misreads it, and votes, me then your buddy Vedith can hammer.

Lmao there’s no reason I’d vote you here.

I was sassin.

I’m actually not entirely sure the exact scum team without some doubt.

RCE-Vorkuta works too. It just doesn’t matter to me too much right now because I’ll just kill whoever’s counterpart if we mislynch, and if we correctly lynch, I’ll shoot in the 50/50, but the one more likely to be scum. Automatic win

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless I did that crazy killing my scum partner ploy, I am mechanically, and objectively, confirmed town. This means for that ploy, I’d have had to actively throw away a scummate, need an extra mislynch to win the game, and have to risk the other partner going down.

[Flavor Leaf]

For all you know, that’s a potential scum slip.

It’s not “for all you know”, it’s a fact. For you to believe I am scum, you HAVE to believe that happpened. There is zero other possibilities.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually believe Vork might just be crazy paranoid because I don’t think any scum commits the suicide move of doubting Boon here.

I don’t think we can let it slide, though. He’s effectively made it so he can’t be alive in LYLO with those posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

This means for that ploy, I’d have had to actively throw away a scummate, need an extra mislynch to win the game, and have to risk the other partner going down.

Idk FL might want to replace out of his other games so he can play on HARD MODE in this game for the bragging rights and future legends.

Nah, this game was just early on, the others were nearing end game already.

[Flavor Leaf]

If it’s Vorkuta/RCE I think Vorkuta just lost the game for em. Which is why i have doubt that he’s scum. Because like...does this just happen?

[Flavor Leaf]

This is late game, Vorkuta.

I’m a late game town hard carry.

Gambit time is over, this is game solve time....

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m trying to have a standout town year this year. I posted that in that last scum game on Morality in the PT

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol real vig does not stay quiet, Alchemist. This is why you’re probably the scum.

Setting Vedith up for a potential claim? I don’t think he makes that claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alchemist-Vedith or Vorkuta-RCEnigma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like even if Boon is somehow scum doing this then there is no reason to worry because it resolves itself.

ScumVorkuta actually has to push me in this situation, tbh.

We lynch you, you flip town, I kill Vorkuta at night.

Getting rid of me during th Day gets rid of my night kill.

I think Vorkuta might have just went for it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then it’s probably RCEnigma/Vorkuta? That team definitely knows my IC claim is crap.

Oh, I actually do have some Hit/Vorkuta/RCE notes.

[Flavor Leaf]

When we were talking about amount of scum, throughout Day 1, RCE, Vorkuta, and Hit all brought up “2 scum team” into the conversation, which seemed like it was trying to get that mindset into the atmosphere for a sneaky 3 scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, I have some RCE-Hit-Vedith notes too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hit all brought up “2 scum team” into the conversation

But ausuka who brought it up is all 100% in the clear because reasons.

She’s brought it up, she didn’t continue to bring it up.

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing about the Vorkuta, Hit, RCEnigma team i noticed, they are the 3 people who induced all the paranoia on my slot, and they gave me “town points” but kept the paranoia in the open. They also tried to talk and socialize with me, but when i came to any conclusion they weren’t a fan of, all 3 of them lightly slapped me across the face each time.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I "brought it up" because I am a newbie who recently got screwed over by a 9-4 setup.
But TL;DR vork is still scum.

Like how is FL allowed to have ALL THE THINGS HE WANTS and BOTH WAYS?

Idk why you assume that I’m saying you’re scum.

Get off that. I’m just trying to figure out who scum IS.

This is no longer about finding 1 scum, Vorkuta. You gotta find the pair. Which pair of scum makes sense to you with me?

You think i’m Scum with Alchemist? I’ve been going at it with him all game. RCE? I lock scum’d him yesterday. Vedith? I guess I don’t have a defense for that one. But yeah, so that means, even if you are town and think I’m scum, you essentially have to believe Vedith is my partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, no, you have to think I’m partnered with RCE or Alchemist. They’re counterclaiming each other.

So which of them would be my partner?!?

Also, Vorkuta, YOU NEED TO CLAIM. We’ve said this multiple times, haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

Except you are ignoring any context around the 2 scum discussion and I doubled down on FL as town yesterday when you opened with your case on me.

Don’t worry, I’m not sold on you yet. The only combination of you guys it can’t be is Alchemist-RCE.

However, from your perspective, RCE. The entire scum team is on the Volxen wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE, you need to look for the scum in Vedith/Vorkuta, if you’re town.

Same to you, Alchemist. You guys are direct counterclaiming each other, and I honestly have no clue which of you is telling the truth.

So you’re gonna need to give thoughts on which is the other’s partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've been hinting that I've stumbled into a town tell of yours and this game you played up the things that I know I have specifically told you or hinted at that I've noticed about your town game.

But I have the knowledge that I've told you these things and you could have just been covering your bases, so I remained skeptical until your tell kicked in which is usually a day 2 thing. It could be day 1 if I get into your head for a bit but there was a lot of noise tbf.

I have a hard town tell, and it’s been shining bright since Day 2

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith probably sees my town tell hard right now.

Slaxxy girl in the dead thread as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

there’s a princess in a tower

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[1]

HitAlt

:

Slaxx

194
[1]

SLaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf,

Baezu

156

everybody’s playing the game but nobody’s rules are the same

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[2]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14,

Fuscosco

347
[1]

Ausuka

:

Baezu

222
[1]

Fusosco : Slaxx

340
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

250,

Vedith

272

Look at me, I’m the king of new york

[5]

Baezu

:

Alchemist21

107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168,

Slaxx

424
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Ausuka : Baezu

222
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[3] Not Voting : Flavor Leaf 250, Umlaut 272, Fuscosco 377

This is points against Vorkuta-Alchemist ever being partners.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is points against Vorkuta-Alchemist ever being partners.

You forgot the fus wagon

2 scum might’ve been on it, but I agree. At least one of you are scum from that. I would say exactly 1 of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can someone TL;DR remind me why Ausuka and Baezu are conf!town, and that literally no one is considering theater in there?
I remember Ausuka is a 1-shot town investig and cleared Baezu. Anything else/followup?

I say this

because scum!Vork wants to open up the lynchpool

because I've been in a game where a scum!PTcop cleared a townie D1, cleared fellow scum D2, and it didn't matter what happened D3.

We can’t talk about this until AFTER you claim.

Next post, or I’m going to see it as you trying to come up with a fake claim. Like honestly dude, if you’re town, claim. If you’re scum, do whatever. We need you to do it before Ausuka/Baezu.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dude he shot hit, if he didn't the vig shoots him anyways, no matter what we end up with a scum down tomorrow.

I've been the vig in a position where I could've shot notlying!Morality.
To be blunt- I probably "would not have shot him" again.

Our """clear""" for FL has always been the same: "he resolves himself LATER, and he's being an asset to us NOW".
I do not let this stand anymore.

I am an asset now.

This is literally the reason why people allow me to do this stuff because I have a history of solving games.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already resolved.

VORKUTA YOU NEED TO CLAIM. If you’re trying to resolve it now, you and Vedith claim, then Ausuka/Baezu.

That’s literally how we would resolve it

[Flavor Leaf]

What even is this game anymore?

It’s ScumAlch/Vedith losing hope then slowly regaining it with a wtf lol tunnel or it’s scumvorkuta who went too deep and now has to steer into the skid with RCE easing the gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

The team is Alchemist/Vedith, Vorkuta/RCEnigma, or Vedith/RCEnigma, I think order of likeliness is that order too.

There are no other options. If I’m lying, I die from the real Vig tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

The team is Alchemist/Vedith, Vorkuta/RCEnigma, or Vedith/RCEnigma, I think order of likeliness is that order too.

There are no other options. If I’m lying, I die from the real Vig tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I broke Vorkuta.

[Flavor Leaf]

I hadn't thought about it but there is really no reason for me to shoot Ausuka or Baezu as scum. Both townread me all game and I feel confident I could talk them away from "FL conf scummed him" so I just shoot FL who probably isn't getting protected with the IC gambit.

Then I just ride those reads into Mylo/lylo whichever happens.

Is this a PT slip? Wtf.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol I'll flip a table if we lose to Alchemist + FL

It’s just Alchemist and Vedith.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, Vorkuta’s been perspective slipping, but I don’t get why TownVedjth would push me here

[Flavor Leaf]

Vorkuta, I think you should claim now while we wait for Vedith.

Town loses if the vig dies tonight

What makes you think this? How do we know there's another vig at all?

FL is vig hunting.
He took credit for the vig kill today so he's trying to get the ML via counter claim.
Town loses if the vig dies tonight, and he's trying to get it via mislynch as opposed to an NK, which requires the doctor lynch.

This is kind of a scum slip, because it implies he knows there is a Vig out there who killed his partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mod - Can scum kill themselves?

[Flavor Leaf]

Is Vorkuta just being bad and it’s RCE/Vedith?

[Flavor Leaf]

To believe that I am scum, it literally has to be believed that the decision was made to not go to lylo today, and to shoot Hit rather than allow Hit and whoever the other scum would be to just bus me the next day phase.

This is for post game to anyone who is potentially town pushing me right now to make yourself look in the mirror to see how ridiculous you’re being.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d just like to point out, that if I were scum, my partner would have to be one of Alchemist and RCE, so with that in mind, if EITHER of them actually vote me, and I flip town, that one is CONFIRMED scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

1.10

[4]

volxen : Flavor Leaf

890,

Baezu

903,

Slaxx

930,

Ausuka

970
[2]

Fuscosco

:

Vorkuta

630,

Vedith

898
[2]

Vorkuta

:

volxen

14,

RCEnigma

722
[1]

Baezu

:

HitAlt

923
[1]

Flavor Leaf

:

Alchemist21

758
[1]

HitAlt

:

Something_Smart

941

[1] Not Voting :

Fuscosco

377

Fusc has both Vorkuta and Vedith on it, and that’s it. Implies one of them is scum.

RCEnigma is on Vorkuta, and only flipped Volxen is town here.

Alchemist is on me.

For an Alchemist/FL pairing, you have to assume the Fuscosco, Vorkuta wagon are all town, and that I’d be the only scum on at the beginning of Volxen wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why can't we have two doctors here? Like, people seem very willing to believe we have 2 vigs, in a 12 player game, which could result in d2 mylo, but not two doctors when one of them is gated with two-shot and our vig is macho?

Then it’s just Vorkuta and Vedith?

[Flavor Leaf]

Is self targeting allowed in normals? Like that mini theme was the first time I had seen it but doesn't seem like a normal mechanic.

Yes it is allowed.

So you’re thinking that I shot my own partner, and purposefully got out of Lylo, and gained an extra mislynch.

You.

The person who has literally been on a team with me when I put myself at risk to protect my partners.

If you’re town Vedith, you should know that I never make that play as scum here. I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you’re scum, carry on, because I understand why you pushing me makes sense for your wincon.

But gut says one of you or Vorkuta is town, and that’s just ultra paranoid play that’s bringing in a poor performance.

Scum side it’s rather strong on your part, bold, but strong. Vorkuta’s would be what we said earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why can't we have two doctors here? Like, people seem very willing to believe we have 2 vigs, in a 12 player game, which could result in d2 mylo, but not two doctors when one of them is gated with two-shot and our vig is macho?

We don't have 2 vigs and there was 2 docs... one already flipped.

I'm claiming hard scum on FL here.
You have confirmed scum in me or FL.

Then the other in RCE and Alch.

It's not hard to work out.
Raise your hand if you have played with FL before.

I asked Dann on day start if he would let scum kill themselves he said he would allow it.
This is scum killing a PR who has no use to them to try and have FL and game it.

Again. Raise your hand if you've played with FL.

This is an easy fix.

I’ll just shoot you tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith is setting up a a scenario where I’m mislynched, then he can go down, which leaves RCE/Alchemist/Vorkuta triangle and you just need 1 mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you’re scum, carry on, because I understand why you pushing me makes sense for your wincon.

But gut says one of you or Vorkuta is town, and that’s just ultra paranoid play that’s bringing in a poor performance.

Scum side it’s rather strong on your part, bold, but strong. Vorkuta’s would be what we said earlier.

I'm okay to be lynched before you to prove you as scum.
And you know as town I won't back on that.

Sure. But if you’re town, you take responsibility for it as well when you see I’m green.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hit was the least suspicious one. He was even voting Vorkuta yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

So to believe I am scum, you also have to believe Alchemist or RCE would go along with it.

On top of that, you would have to believe RCE fake claiming doctor for a counter claim, essentially creating a 1v1 in themselves and vice versa with Alchemist.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hit was the least suspicious one. He was even voting Vorkuta yesterday.

What do you mean?

Vedith is still pushing that I killed my own partner.

And he stated he’d let himself go first to prove it, but that just implies he’s not a Vig who can save it himself.

You literally have to believe that I killed my own teammate, the least suspicious teammate on our team, to believe that i am scum here. If I were scum, i literally forced myself to have to do 2 mislynches instead of 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

the least suspicious teammate on our team

Where are you getting this from? Why do you think Hit was the least suspicious player on your team?

Because I spent 30 posts in my personal PT doing loads of analysis to make sure I not only hit scum, but hit the protective role as scum.

Hit played like that on purpose.

Vedith earlier even stated that you, Volxen, or himself should be a Vig Target because he knew Hit was a Doctor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith was being targeted yesterday, I called RCEnigma lock scum yesterday, and Vorkuta and Alchemist were both on Fusc.

He was LITERALLY the least suspicious of them all.

Not only that, but I LITERALLY shot him. So you pushing that thought process of why do I think he was the less suspicious as a means of killing him as scum, i literally killed him AS TOWN.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - are you really falling for the train of thought that I killed my own partner here as scum?

I don’t care what happens, but if I die this game, you all look at the game I’ve played this game, and realize I’ve had a ridiculously strong town game solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is the best town game I’ve played since I was IC in a large normal about 6 months ago.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s RCE-Vedith or Vedith-Vorkuta right now because Alchemist is defending me when he really shouldn’t right now, if he’s scum.

I am the most optimal lynch for any scum pairing that doesn’t involve me here, Ausuka, and to believe I am scum, you HAVE to believe I killed my own teammate. There’s absolutely no going around that. You HAVE to believe I did that, and admit that before believing I’m scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL you should vote me here and it's one of us.
Don't back out of it now my dear friend. \o/

I have want to take the death to look at what townies are just being super bad here, and bait scum to me.

You literally can’t kill me without getting both Baezu and Ausuka to agree, though.

RCE-Alchemist can’t vote me if one of them is scum, and the other of them as town should never vote me.

To be fair, the town in Vorkuta-Vedith should never vote me either, but that’s besides the point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Half*

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mod - Can scum kill themselves?

There is no explicit rule about it. I would allow it only if the entire scum team agreed and it was clear it served their win condition somehow.

Oh look, what a nice play, FL.
I bet you're furious on how I know you're lying right now.

I bet the dead thread is more furious than I am.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vedith

Lynch Vedith, I’ll shoot Alchemist. Deal?

If I were scum, Alchemist doesn’t actually die.

If they happened to both be town, and I were scum, we go into 3-2 tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm 99% sure nobody was townreading hitalt; any towncred they had was burned out by how they kept going on about how scum was definitely in {Baezu, Vorkuta, volxen}. If we lynched you d3, I would've voted for them d4 and I don't think I'd be the only one to do so.

I seriously don't understand how you can claim here that you're not suspicious at all. There was no scumkill present on n2, you didn't shoot n1, Hitalt had become an useless role and wasn't actually doing anything, you could have skated to endgame based on that claim, our vig already flipped - and a full vig- and we could have had MyLo on day 2 if you were town and shot somebody n1. Like I don't even plan to lynch you today rn, because tonight you have a chance to prove yourself by making an unique kill, but you're not towny.

I was suspicious. Look back on yesterday, I pushed Hit and Vorkuta.

I said one of them were lock scum with RCEnigma. I spent the majority of my early night analysis thinking scum was RCE-Vorkuta-Hit.

Eventually morphed into Vedith-Alchemist-Hit

[Flavor Leaf]

FL won't lynch me because my lynch makes him guilty.
And I'm claiming he's hard scum here so he should always be thinking I'm nothing but scum here.

Edit- perfect.
We can lynch FL now and then I think Alch tomorrow.

No, we lynch you today, and I use my last Vig shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know if Ausuka doesn’t have an actual 100% clear on Baezu, I will think that the team is Vork and Baezu because both have hinted at scum somehow knowing there would be a vig kill last Night. There’s no reason anyone should have expected that unless scum were informed 2 vigs existed.

I actually woke up in a panic two nights ago and a thought dawned on me that I was afraid to even consider...if ausuka is scum, she would know I’m town so if her and FL are the scum team, FL could have helped her crumb, fake claim and then “investigate” me to make her “100% conftown”

So you think Ausuka and Myself, killed Partner Hit, instead of killing a TOWNIE and going for the win today on any of Vedith, Vorkuta, RCE, or Alchemist.

To believe that I am scum, you HAVE to believe scum killed themselves.

I’m actually astonished at how bad the town in y’all are being, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

We can lynch you and lynch confirmed scum.
Tomorrow you claim a roleblocker or something stupid and I don't trust the players in this game considering you wasn't lynched already.

I have a hard guilty on you though.

You don’t.

And wanna know the best part about why this makes you scum.

You have to claim a guilty on me because you thought I had an extra night kill.

I’M A FUCKING 1 SHOT!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

Imagine not lynching confscum RCE.

Imagine lynching confTown Flavor Leaf.

Is today just Opposite Day?

I’m like in shock right now, Alchemist.

Vedith conf scummed himself.

It’s just Vedith and RCE.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually high key offended anyone in this game thinks I’d put my partner’s life above me. Everyone always tries to push the mindset of me thinking I’m the best player on the team, but my scum game relies on my team. Look at literally any of my scum games, and you can see I’m constantly day talking constantly trying to work with my teammates.

I do not kill a competent player like Hit ever, and I rely on having the numbers game when I’m scum to manipulate the game state.

I go for the perfect scum victories.

I am never scum in this situation, and you can use that as a tell any time.

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Sorry, I don’t ever shoot a scum partner. That’s against my playstyle/moral compass play.

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Baezu (vt presumably)
Vorkuta (vt presumably)
Alchemist21 (2-shot doc)
Ausuka (1-shot invest)
RCEnigma (loyal doc)
Vedith (role that can generate soft-guilties)

I’m 2 shot, not night 2, but this is its

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I’ve been lynched as scum and town recently. It doesn’t matter anymore.

And Vedith isn’t claiming because he doesn’t want to get countered by Ausuka.

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@Ausuka - I’m WIFOMing scum.

@Baezu - RCE is probably scum with Vedith, is the conclusion I’m at.

Vedith saw that Vorkuta gave him an opening and Vedith the strong scum player he is hopped on that.

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Ausuka, Vedith has no reason not to claim if he actually had a guilty on me.

He’s only doing it so he doesn’t accidentally claim your role.

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So 3 doctors?!?!?!?

Alchemist and RCE counterclaimed each other, but then vorkuta came after me which set Vedith up for me.

I am actually confirmed town.

They’re just pushing the idea that I killed my own scummate instead of going for a townie and bringing this game into lylo.

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We are also 12 players, not 13. It’s one of the doctors and Vedith as the scum team.

RCE-Vedith.

Alchemist is getting setup for a mislynch.

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Ausuka, you are last to claim. I know you know that, but yeah.

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Macho Vig
X shot Vig
1-shot investigative
X-shot doc or Loyal doc
Vt
Vt
Vt
Vt
Vt

Maf 2 shot doc
Maf
Maf

Vedith’s hinted role does not exist anywhere in this game.

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12 players with a possibility of scum winning day 2 if 2 vigs.
Take that in everyone.

You had a doctor, and whatever else you have.

You were also likely informed, so you knew to play in a specific way so that didn’t happen.

You baited SS Day 1 with it.

You talked about Vig should shoot within Volxen, Ausuka, yourself because you knew you had a doctor.

Scum doctor 100% protected you Night 1, and it’s even more confirmed that that is true because both RCE and Alchemist claimed to protect you Night 1, meaning the scum in them isn’t lying, and Hit targeted you Night 1.

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Doesn't really matter what my specific role is but sure I'll claim after vork does.

pedit: If he's town fakeclaiming, does that make you town?

Only way Vedith isn’t scum is if if’s Vorkuta-RCEnigma. There are no other possibilities.

I’m town in every situation here. I literally killed scum.

As scum, you have to believe that I’d risk victory by taking ourselves out of lylo, losing Hit, and then having another partner get in a 1v1 with the Doctor.

There is no situation where I am ever not town here. Plain and simple.

I work with my scum mates always, and that’s the strongest part of my scum game bar my bs’ing, but I need my partners as scum for that.

I don’t kill my partner.

Go back and look at how Hit was acting towards me all game. He was playing up to me, and anytime he didn’t like one of my conclusions, he’d lightly slap me in the face to hatchet me.

That’s actually why I thought RCE-Hit-Vorkuta were the scum team. They all were doing that to me.

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12 players with a possibility of scum winning day 2 if 2 vigs.
Take that in everyone.

You had a doctor, and whatever else you have.

You were also likely informed, so you knew to play in a specific way so that didn’t happen.

You baited SS Day 1 with it.

You talked about Vig should shoot within Volxen, Ausuka, yourself because you knew you had a doctor.

Scum doctor 100% protected you Night 1, and it’s even more confirmed that that is true because both RCE and Alchemist claimed to protect you Night 1, meaning the scum in them isn’t lying, and Hit targeted you Night 1.

I know you're a goon

So Role cop claim. Got it.

Ausuka, he rolecopped you Night 1.

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They’re pushing the fact that shooting the mafia doctor was a useless play, but that gives a confirmed scum role knowledge to the town. One of my biggest scum strengths is being able to push fake setup spec. Ausuka, look at that game that Vedith and I were scum in years ago, where you were SK.

I relied on my team following my claim path to cover our tracks. Here I’m playing by myself.

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1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

FL if you kill me tonight I'll be extremely disappointed and highly upset.

Don’t worry. I’ll no kill tonight. Sound good?

And I no killed Night 1, which is why I claimed Day 3 IC, because I knew I could prove myself, which I have, but people are literally pushing the notion I killed scum in this situation.

Sorry, that’s just bad.

This is why I believe Scum is informed of Vigilantes, though.

Both Vedith and RCEnigma have played in a way where I feel they’ve been fishing for Vigilantes Day 1.

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What was your Night 1 target. Say the player, not the result.

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Let's also keep in mind.
FL says I'm a strong scum player. But also says I've putted myself as scum... which is it FL?
Am I really strong and can lift a mafia car or am I shit and I putted myself as scum without needing to?

\o/

What do you mean without needing to?

ScumYou needs to, and it was good play of you to put yourself to me.

You haven’t outed yourself to others somehow

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I do agree, however, that FL introduces a lot of obfuscation to the game

I’m confirmed town.