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I claimed miller because I believe that is the correct play, I don't think claiming miller after a cop check is believable and it wastes investigative actions.
I doubt that both axe and Inferno are scum together, I think scum are more hesitant to start bussing each other, It looks like they voted each other when they got moderately close to being lynched, only thing that gives me pause is axe voting me in post 34 after inferno is talking about millers, but then the fast flip to going after Inferno doesn't seem like something 2 scum do together so early - I'd expect there to be more hesitance-
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Why didn't you like them?In post 126, Vorkuta wrote:and partially because I didn't like his miller questions.-
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No, that would imply the oppositeIn post 144, Inferno390 wrote:If you think Axe’s move was survivalistic, are he and I scumbuddies?-
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I think it's too early in the game to lock someone in as mafia and not want to talk to them.
I think Inferno can be town who made some suspect posts early on, that you quickly jumped on - in that case trying to argue about you if you're right that hecouldbe mafia for those posts, or that it's more likely to come from mafia etc. is a waste of time. I thought the post he made talking about Vorkuta being town and the few after that looked more like town than scum.-
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It kind of feels like John Pierce Gantt is softly defending AxeIn post 156, themilkcartonkid wrote:
When someone quotes a post, that is an interaction. Axe interacted with you and either their interaction or your original response pinged me. Not sure yet whyIn post 150, John Pierce Gantt wrote:
Maybe it pinged for you because you viewed the whole post as an interaction when it really wasn't one?In post 146, themilkcartonkid wrote:This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it
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Can you explain this to me, does this mean you are going to reconsider your read on me because of my claim later, or that you're treating me differently because of my claim, or what?In post 224, NotAnAxehole wrote:Let's play a little game shall we?
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John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz,RuiRui
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RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet
Erza Scarlet(1)-Tchill13
Not voting:chennisden,Skellen
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.
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Well that was fun, it seems like the Inferno wagon built so much early confidence that scum got really confused and forgot that they should be bussing.-
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I believe in it - kind ofIn post 307, Vorkuta wrote:I will, once I try and get people to believe in my JP wagon.
Upon rereading his ISO, I find myself shaking my head at every other one of his comments, WHICH IS BAD because he's also mostly engaging Tchill and Inferno.
Like I don't understand how I like my scumreads' answers/defense more than JP's posts/questions.
I'm able and willing to show support for an Axe lynch
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{Skellen, Egix96} are the reads I feel best aboutIn post 391, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think there are a shit ton of super towny slots
{Vorkuta, RadiantCowbells, Inferno390, ThemilkKartonkid} Is my next tier where I'm not so certain but they look town-
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HiIn post 471, NotAnAxehole wrote:
Yes. Get off my lawnIn post 470, RadiantCowbells wrote:Are you claiming cop?
Can you explain your play around my claim now:
In post 37, NotAnAxehole wrote:Is there any pro-town reason to claim Miller before day 2? The only reason to claim Miller is to protect a cop no?In post 224, NotAnAxehole wrote:Let's play a little game shall we?
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Well that was fun, it seems like the Inferno wagon built so much early confidence that scum got really confused and forgot that they should be bussing.
It doesn't make sense to me that you seem to doubt my claim so much if you're actually a cop?In post 229, NotAnAxehole wrote:Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum, it's clear we aren't lynching him and it feels like a town counter-wagon. Ruirui to be re-evaluated if it looks like we're going towards LyLo... But eh...
RC, I see your posts about Skellen, I'm not sure how to feel about that right now, I don't think I agree but I'll keep it in mind-
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Tchill, this is a really weird post for you to be making when you're an ascetic yourself and softing it...?In post 43, Tchill13 wrote:Any competent group of town makes sure the Miller is lynched before lylo if we ever reach that point. I propose we carry on as normal and if we're pushed to that brink THEN we with it.
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I don't think it's impossible for there to be both a miller and an asceticIn post 649, RadiantCowbells wrote:ruirui
i think you're pretty awesome
but i don't understand how you don't realize that he's an outed wolf
I do think it's pretty weird that he waited this long, but also I think ascetic is a weird fakeclaim as scum here (but maybe that's why he would make it)
I don't really trust Axe and I think the way he treated my claim was weird, I understand it's better to leave him alive for today though
Some of the reasoning for lynching Tchill seems to be that the cop would check two people when there's no guarantee of a cop anyway
Basically, if Axe is scum, I think Tchill can be town with his claim - setup wise, if town had a rolecop or something it would really change the way a miller interacts with the setup without changing the way ascetic does-
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Oh, but you think he's scum anyway?In post 686, RadiantCowbells wrote:
he likely is ascetic, and he's already softed it, so...In post 686, RuiRui wrote:I do think it's pretty weird that he waited this long, but also I think ascetic is a weird fakeclaim as scum here (but maybe that's why he would make it)-
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Why did you claim cop...?In post 697, NotAnAxehole wrote:I'm hard claiming VT-
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Notably, the miller crumb you're talking about came out after I had already claimed millerIn post 727, Vorkuta wrote:
We're just trolling, please keep on doing good workIn post 713, Nero Cain wrote:Yes. I mean, if posting frequent VC's with no vote changes bothers anyone I'll stop.and don't modkill us
I mean you have a miller "fake claim" that you might've used, but then you were like "nah, let's use the ascetic one instead" and tried to get brownie points for the miller crumb.In post 717, Tchill13 wrote:No. I don't fake claim hardly at all and when I fake claim I do not crumb
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Maybe you should have let it play out a bit more?
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Hi guys, the 1-shot bulletproof made me think that we had a vigilante, and Axe dying makes me think of that as a vigilante kill as well, it's possible that the mafia kill was stopped? That's especially pointed towards Vorkuta.
RadiantCowbells, It's foolish to continue to try to outguess the setup before a mass claim. Why do I look like a strong scum candidate?
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I'm not 100% but I believe Egix, Skellen, and themilkcartonkid are all town
Making a mental note that Jingle is claiming to be in a neighborhood, same as Egix I have no reason to dispute the claim
chennisden, what was up with your play with the end of the last day?
For now:
VOTE: vorkuta
Because he's a part of my personal POE of ~5 players I feel need to be focused on today
A vig isn't confirmed yet, it could be that the cop claim spooked scum and so they killed him just in case, it was just a theory because I was thinking that if we had a vig they would shoot Axe-
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Vorkuta said he couldn't think of another reason for the nightkill and voted themilkcarton, I pointed out that it could have been a Vig - I wasn't asking him for his roleIn post 818, Skellen wrote:Sounded a bit like a rolefishing attempt in Vorkuta's direction, unless I misunderstood here something.-
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I think it's pretty clear that there has to be additional town power beyond a vig and a neighborizor in a setup, I don't really consider the 1-shot bulletproof ascetic to be particularly valuable when it comes to balancing the setup. The Vig isn't confirmed, Axe could have also been killed because he claimed cop on day 1. it can be figured out later. Speculating about this kind of thing isn't particularly helpful because it calls into question what the rest of our power roles are when we should instead be focusing on individual players and trying to find mafia today and not worrying so much about setup speculation today IMOIn post 835, themilkcartonkid wrote:I do have a question, why if we have an ascetic and at least 1 of a miller, vig, and neighborizer would prs need to share info?-
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Isn't there an investigative in almost every setup? This is a really weak point you're pushing. The answer is that you do it so you can later point to it as something you wouldn't do. Also, you tried directing investigative actions yesterday by telling a cop to check Skellen.In post 852, RadiantCowbells wrote:3) If RuiRui and Tchill13 were both town (which you seem to believe) there is almost confirmed to be a cop. I as scum would know this. Why would I stick my neck way the fuck out and be an extremely likely cop target as scum in this situation?
What is the argument for Informed? IIRC I told you I had mafia experience in the last game, so this and the part where you said I'd have my team telling me what to do is a weird angle to be genuinely coming at this at..In post 852, RadiantCowbells wrote:2) Correct me if I'm wrong but you're a NRG members as well? How often do you see two cop failures in one setup as the same alignment. OTOH, Informed is heavily used these days.
My perspective: yesterday you pushed tchill and axe (both town), and called for a cop on Skellen (probably town), and today it looks like you want to push me (town) - that's 4 townies or likely townies that you've pushed for a lynch, or in Skellen's case tried to dismantle townreads and direct cop actions. That's too many too fast, it means if you're town you're a serious liability right now and need to try playing at less of a town leader role and more of a role where you somehow show that you're town because right now I have serious doubtsIn post 852, RadiantCowbells wrote:1) At the very least, the reason I could have made that mistake as town should be obvious to you. They both objectively played to the world I was concerned about.-
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What do you mean here? Do you think mafia are going to want to kill Jingle just for being in a neighborhood?In post 858, chennisden wrote:
Why would you out yourself like this? Now you've given scum an easy agenda to play to.In post 810, Jingle wrote:Jingle probably scum.
I was neighborized last night. My neighborized has a shot remaining. Please let me know if you want to join me and a mysterious third person in partying hardy.
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Yes I agree, I think I said something like thisIn post 861, RadiantCowbells wrote:Here's the other option
What if scum thought that Axe was actually the cop and was lolcatting afterwards to look like they weren't the cop
Why would that be a thing? Mafia being informed that there's no millers when there's an ascetic in the setup?In post 861, RadiantCowbells wrote:If one of your team members (presumably you) is informed that there are no millers, well, you would claim miller.
But I'm not scumIn post 861, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your slot is mechanically scum 80%+ of the time.-
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I kind of feel like you brushed past some points to write this. Who do you think is Mafia?In post 866, chennisden wrote:I don't think it's RC fault he helped mislynch
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I think if you're scum you wouldn't play around an investigative nearly as much as you're making this out to be, Tchill had explained that you were making a push that wouldn't look like it's coming from scum. I think if your scum your plan is to do as much damage as you possibly can, thinking that you can be copped at any time-
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RadiantCowbells I'm suspicious of you because your actions so far have benefited mafia in my eyes, you might just be having a bad game or whatever, I don't really believe in any of that stuff about not sticking your neck out for investigative, it's like you're trying to get out of a read on a technicality that doesn't matter very much - that's just how I feel about it.-
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In post 842, RuiRui wrote:The Vig isn't confirmed, Axe could have also been killed because he claimed cop on day 1.-
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Why do you think this is worth a vote on Skellen? How is it not something town would ask?In post 921, John Pierce Gantt wrote:Greetings. I have been quite busy today but I did read up, and there was one thing that caught my eyes.
I believe this is not what town would ask.
VOTE: Skellen-
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Why is Vorkuta more likely to kill RadiantCowbells than any other player?In post 922, John Pierce Gantt wrote:I still think Vorkuta is town because I think if he was Mafia he still would have tried to kill the seal despite what happened yesterday.
Of course, the other explanation is "they are Mafia together," but I highly doubt it because I think the seal is quite transparently town.-
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Chenn is saying that he wouldn't kill lynchbait who was pushing him, but also said that themilkcartonkid is the only person who it makes sense to nightkill Axe.
I don't agree with his thinking there either, and I've already explained why between vig possibilities and mafia killing the person who briefly claimed cop, it does appear to be an inconsistency in his thinking though, I want to see him expand on it.-
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This is a good point, nobody has referenced the case axe made which I think Chen would have brought it up if he really believed it had meritIn post 1023, Jingle wrote:
What merits?In post 1017, chennisden wrote:Because the case on Milk that Axe made at end of day had legitimate merits.
If the case had merits before the nightkill, why does your case appear to be solely based on the nightkill?
Vorkuta, do you want to talk about your secret read now? How come you didn't say themilkcartonkid when I asked you if you had any suspicions?-
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What does this mean? Why does that line by Jingle make you say that?In post 1028, themilkcartonkid wrote:
Dont add me to the neighborhood then...In post 1022, Jingle wrote:
Both me and my neighbor noticed it immediately. It was a sloppy crumb.In post 1020, chennisden wrote:
one person was voting himIn post 1015, Jingle wrote:Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.
Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.
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Do you think that action by Jingle was alignment indicative?In post 1020, chennisden wrote:
one person was voting himIn post 1015, Jingle wrote:Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.
Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.
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In post 1023, Jingle wrote:
What merits?In post 1017, chennisden wrote:Because the case on Milk that Axe made at end of day had legitimate merits.
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What was your independent case?In post 1184, Vorkuta wrote:My own independent case of milkcartonkid just happened to align with Axehole's "dying proclamation"-
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In post 1191, RuiRui wrote:
What was your independent case?In post 1184, Vorkuta wrote:My own independent case of milkcartonkid just happened to align with Axehole's "dying proclamation"-
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Buki is likely town by both play and role soft - saying he's confirmed town when there hasn't been full claims, only speculation so far, is incorrectIn post 1210, RadiantCowbells wrote:conftown-
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