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Post Post #437 (isolation #0) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:56 pm

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In post 89, Inferno390 wrote:Another thought is that everyone really needs to watch how interactions with Uzi go down. Since Uzi is IC (Innocent Child), it means that where his vote goes and what he says can have a huge impact on the game and the wagons. So anyone trying to manipulate that needs to be looked at hard.
This post really pings me as scummy.
To this point URA and Exilon look town.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #1) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:01 pm

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In post 100, u r a person 2 wrote:well I'm going to actively discourage your lynch, so if you are lynched and flip town, I will hold no blame.
I regret considering you as town already, this just looks bad and not from a town motivated view.
At this point there's no threat to this lynch happening but you are already writing it off as a town with very little doubt, and already preparing for the town credit on a town flip.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 107, Egix96 wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Delibird
This appears to be an attempt to vote where popular right now.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #3) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:39 pm

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In post 154, Garmr wrote:Channel
Other than Channel at this point, this is a really strong reads list.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:41 pm

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I'm currently on page 8, I'm going to continue reading this tomorrow.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #5) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:10 am

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I haven't forgotten about the game I just had something come up sadly.
This is my next priority.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #6) » Thu May 02, 2019 5:58 am

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In post 201, skitter30 wrote:i'm not actually scumreading you inherently for your sash vote
idk if i actually have a good have a good reason (ie one i can articulate rn) for thinking you might be scum; atm it's largely a gut read. like i read your posts and think they feel ????? weird and wrong.
like weirdly timed. making weird observations. idk just feel weird.
your sash vote/post was one such post. it's not inherently scummy but it's another post that feels kinda off, and you've made a whole bunch of them.

like i don't follow your reasons for voting sash. i don't know what prompted you to read sash's iso there. i don't like how you started the post with 'hey anyone else read sash's iso?' ; it feels like you're trying to drum up support for a read that i don't really feel you necessarily ~have~ so much as trying to get momentum for this push

i can give you the weekend, sure, the game is early (by weekend i mean probably until like monday since i'm at least semi-v/la until then)
i'm going to circle back to this then tho

when u do have a chance:
1. why is sash's iso scummy af?
2. why is the ate-y reaction townie?

idk let's go here for now
VOTE: ruirui

pedit @urap
I really liked this post up until the vote.
It just doesn't follow a line of thought of voting scum. I'm not sure if it's scum going for an easier target or not though.
Regardless this should be pressured more in think so I may re address this after catch up.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #7) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:04 am

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In post 231, Inferno390 wrote:Thx m8
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I’m a little hesitant on the Sash wagon. It formed really fast, and I’m not entirely convinced it’s legit. I’m gonna have to go back and read it to see how it formed.
This is a town post
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Post Post #695 (isolation #8) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:07 am

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In post 233, Egix96 wrote:Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui
It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?
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Post Post #696 (isolation #9) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:09 am

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In post 234, Exilon wrote:
In post 232, ChannelDelibird wrote:FYI, I'm going to be limited to phoneposting until Sunday evening.

Those squeamish about the Sash wagon should come hang out on the infinitely more wholesome RuiRui wagon, which grows more righteous with every passing minute since her last (awful) post.
ok actually I'm ok with this

VOTE: RuiRui
This ones even worse since your attraction hasn't been any where near RuiRui. What made you feel that this is solid reasoning as scummy here?
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Post Post #697 (isolation #10) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:14 am

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In post 283, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm gonna go right for the cliche here

*ahem*

I think this is TvT
This feels highly possible while scum are just sitting back.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #11) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:22 am

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Page 16 so far and Egix, URA, and Asuka look pretty good diverting against or ruling out scum in Inferno/Garmr 1 v 1
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Post Post #700 (isolation #12) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:33 am

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In post 443, Inferno390 wrote:Hey, HRG, welcome to the game!
Any other general thoughts 8 pages in?
A general readlist?
{Asuka, CDB, URA}
{Garmr, Egix, Exlion}

{Bob's, RuiRui, Inferno}

{Sash}
{Skitter}

Skitter just really pings me with their posting and just feels like a lot of empty posting.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #13) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:34 am

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I'm going to eat then read the last 10 pages.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #14) » Thu May 02, 2019 9:02 am

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So this is where I'm at after the catch up fully.

URA is obvious town right now and the fact his wagon started is really bad.
I'm feel less like Sash scum with the VT claim and even though VT lynch / scum lynch isn't a bad choice day 1 I don't think Sash flips scum here.

I don't think that URA's wagon was all town either so Skitter, Inferno or RuiRui have 1-2 scum.

The current RuiRui wagon looks all town other than Skitter. Skitter is just looking for a lynch rather scum hunting and their voting patterns/reasons show this.

If it comes to it I'll vote RuiRui over Sash and URA but I think Skitter is just out right scum and it doesn't look like bussing.

VOTE: Skitter
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Post Post #705 (isolation #15) » Thu May 02, 2019 9:05 am

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I'm going to be here tonight if anyone wants to discuss back and forth to why I'm wrong or why you're right.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #16) » Thu May 02, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 712, Ausuka wrote:i don't understand the skitter push. what about her posting is empty?
The fact that she isn't scum hunting just voting where looks viable?
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Post Post #754 (isolation #17) » Thu May 02, 2019 8:04 pm

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VOTE: RuiRui

Don't just lynch Sash because of the time. There's plenty of time to vote RuiRui up, get a claim and decide from there.
RuiRui has a lot more potential than Sash to flip scum here.
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Post Post #903 (isolation #18) » Sun May 05, 2019 7:59 pm

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There's going to be scum in the players trying to push a narrative on the NK.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #19) » Sun May 05, 2019 8:02 pm

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In post 859, skitter30 wrote:i'm kinda dubious of high risk gamble's vote (esp. since he had criticized the formation of the wagon earlier?)
I made it clear before my vote that I would vote RuiRui over Sash instead of just wasting my vote of no one followed.
This is just typical shade for someone who just skimmed events of yesterday.

My scum read still hasn't changed on Skitter and I'm going to address your questions from yesterday later.
The fact I posted though between you questioning them and now without calling me out for not answering tells me that they are empty questions.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #20) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:26 am

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In post 730, skitter30 wrote:i wasn't particularly trying to vote scum there, i was trying to find somewhere to vote and most other votes didnt' feel right so i voted there
Up to page 9, what made RuiRui stand out as a vote that felt right?
I'm not expecting you to have straight up solid reads by this point but you're saying that voting majority players felt wrong but RuiRui was acceptable?
In post 731, skitter30 wrote:oh? do tell

show me some examples of empty-posting

(inb4 you point to this one. before u tell me this is an empty post, it isn't)
Of course I won't be pointing towards this one.
Your posting early game is full of filler questions/opinions, or just questions/opinions you don't really show interest in properly following up.
Excluding the more obvious empty posts that are blatantly in lack of... well anything.

Is basically a mixture of following popular opinion without actually making a stance, empty shading followed by an over explanation towards Ausuka with a comment resulting of "You may or may not be scum." You are trying to over justify your read (or what should be the read) to look like you're active hunting. The issue I have with this is you leave little no space for read progression with your reason and it's basically a halted read.
Your maybe town read of Inferno has no justification to this point other than you're trying to divert from the negative opinion Inferno has on you there. Once again, it's an empty read and the way you added it into a wall post means it's empty and just there to make you look like you're trying more.

First question to URA I'm in favour of, but again concerning Ausuka you give another baseless read of "You may or may not be scum." with no option for progression. It's noise to be noise. You're just trying to tred lightly at this stage to give further options.

Is actually a good post, but again the read on Inferno seems forced here and is an entirely empty read from a town perspective.
What experience have you got with Inferno as like I said already, it just seems that when Inferno has a negative opinion on you, you try and divert it.

Another empty post. Starts with worthless self meta, a town read list with no reasoning to why other than safe town reads, and worthless "new scum/town do this" opinion that again, has no progression options.

By this point, given that I'm expecting you to claim that your wall posts are the more useful posts, do you notice what's lacking like I do?
That's right, scum reads or actual pushes. Majority of your questions are generic, sit back and see how wagons fold questions.
At this stage of the game we have the following reads from you "townreads: bob, inferno, maybe garmr, maybe cdb" "Ausuka may or may not be scum."
If you or anyone feel that this kind of ISO or reads come from anything other than empty posting, then explain why I'm wrong.
Your ISO rarely gets better either, which I can go through more of your "informational" posts if needed.
In post 732, skitter30 wrote:it's not like i've said i have significantly more townreads than scumreads or anything

i've also, you know, repeatedly tried to wagon the one scumread that i have but that hasn't exactly taken off

and yeah the rui vote was a compromise vote (ie and not on someone i'm really scumreading), i 100% agree. it's getting close to eod and i don't really see the point of no-lynching
I don't really have anything against this post. I think if you're scum it didn't matter which lynch at this point, and it favours town view to lynch over no lynch (However, see below).
But the "repeatedly" tried to wagon the scum read of yours is actually really bad here considering you voted URA twice outside of RVS with where you waited a whole 7 posts to vote back to RuiRui and where you vote URA and even apologies during the time with your only push to vote URA is with, once again, empty shading and just being a voice to show you have "a read". Just posting "vote this player", or "that's a scum post" is not you genuinely believing URA as scum. Scum do this as a tactic all game, sit and call X scum to show that their voice was loud on a player that's not overly likely to be lynched early.
In post 918, skitter30 wrote:A) i would characterize calling how i interacted with the thread yesterday to be skimming as shade

B) what do u mean by 'wasting my vote if no one followed'?

C) no, i kinda just took note that u didnt answer it but given how u interacted with the thread yesterday i dont particularly expect u to. Like i'd be pleasantly surprised if u did, not surprised if u don't, and if u didnt at some point i's point out that you'd been ignoring me. Just cuz i didnt explicitly point out that you didnt answer doesnt mean i didnt notice that u didnt

Also my questions aren't empty. They lead somewhere useful for *me*, even if you don't see how/why and even if i dont explicitly say how/why in thread
A) I don't understand what you are posting here?

b) Your lynch wasn't happening, sitting on it with less than 24hours to go would have been worthless.

C) At what stage did I give the impression that I would ignore questions to me for you to expect me not to respond? Just because I was posting and logging on with a slower rate doesn't mean I was ignoring things in the game, so your wording here pings me really hard. This basically reads as, you forgot you asked questions because you didn't actually want answers so instead you wanted to use them for late game to shade me.

Tell me, why do you think Sash is scum here?
You seem to have wanted to test the view on Sash before putting a vote down.

is dreadful if town. You spent majority of yetserday calling Sash town why they were the leading wagon. Then when RuiRui looked like the promising wagon you move over to Sash and say that you think that they are both town. This is standard scum play to be off the lynch and explains the change of heart. It also doesn't match up to how you ended the day and started the day with the reads. Not to mention your vote on Sash was an obvious in favour of no lynch over lynching.
Always the better wagon was wrong, when Sash looks town. The flipped reads are just forced.
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Post Post #965 (isolation #21) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:42 am

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We're not voting Sash or URA today.
Sash is just an easy target right now for a mis lynch.

If you think Sash is scum, then hold on to that for now until I can be bothered to explain why you're wrong and explain to me why X or Y are scum instead so we can work towards an actual lynch.

{URA, Sash, Garmr}
{Inferno, Egix, Exilon}

{Ausuka}
{Skitter, Bob}

That's where I'm leaning right now.
I'm going to post on Bob shortly, and I feel that Skitter/Ausuka were scum theatre.
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Post Post #977 (isolation #22) » Mon May 06, 2019 10:28 am

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In post 970, bob3141 wrote:Looks very much like determined effort to push a counter wagon. You say dont lynch sach because of teh time, yet start pushing on Rui.

In another post starts claiming at taht point he thinks the wagon is all town. And who was teh first to vote for rui. No otehr CBH

Its very hard to argue some is scum later on if you said the wagon looked town. And that was your justification

And you seem to be question teh others that voted for it


On top of it you tried to preemtt any discussion on cbh nk by tying to claim only scum would run a narrative on it.
- My town reads are Asuka, CDB, URA.
- I Vote Skitter. I also say I would vote RuiRui over Sash. I explain that Sash claim and posting suggests town.
- I vote RuiRui without a further explanation.
- I said that there is scum in the narrative NK. At no point did I say that only scum run a narrative.

This is just direct shade to try and discredit me, and happens just as soon as I call both you and Skitter scum.
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #23) » Tue May 07, 2019 8:36 pm

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VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #24) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:22 pm

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In post 1117, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
Skitter is not my first choice here, but since we talked she's the one I'm most curious to see flip.
Why don't you like the Egix wagon, HRG?
Well Egix doesn't look like scum here.
And if I'm wrong on my scum reads then I'm going with deep wolf in my town reads rather than my town lean reads.

You can explain further why I should vote Egix though.
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #25) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:23 pm

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In post 1124, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
I kinda feel like this stems from a playstyle clash more than anything else, but go for it
Possibly so.
I'm currently in the middle of reading 2 scum games with you in.
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #26) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:24 pm

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In post 1127, Garmr wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
I have a strong town read on two of those, skitter is a nullish at the momment.
Outside of Sash, where would you be voting?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #27) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:24 pm

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In post 1131, Inferno390 wrote:Our dog went to the emergency room, he’s really really sick. Don’t know if he’ll make it. Assume I’m on V/LA until further notice.
That's sad to hear, all the best.
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #28) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 1144, bob3141 wrote:Ausuka post even looked like pre excuse for him jumping off. Yet not preventing him jumping it on a later date.

There even looks like posts were he is trying to fabricate fall guys for that lynch if sash turns out town. And if sash is his scum buddy it could give him an excuse to jump off. Ironicly him being that scum he is talking out
So what's your read on Ausuka as a whole and are you willing to vote there?
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #29) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:33 pm

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UNVOTE: Skitter
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #30) » Thu May 09, 2019 1:34 am

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In post 1175, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1155, u r a person 2 wrote:and updated thoughts from HRG on Bob and Egix?
Hi HRG you did not respond to this and that made me sad. Please rectify
I originally thought it was my thoughts in general.
I've already stated on both, Egix even so after your post.

Nothing has changed from then and I'm waiting to see how Bob actions over Ausuka.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #31) » Thu May 09, 2019 8:23 pm

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In post 1177, u r a person 2 wrote:Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG
Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.
I'm sure that scum Egix votes Sash here as scum even if buddies together.
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #32) » Thu May 09, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 1210, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1170, High Risk Gamble wrote:UNVOTE: Skitter
why don't u think i'm scum anymore?
what do u think of exilon?
Well I still a few marked up to read but you seem very one tracked minded and a lot more direct as scum. I'm sure the effort if pit in 100% but you come off as less caring to how the game state is as scum.

Here although I'm disagreeing with a lot of what your saying the posting style is very different and although I think the questions look/appear like they lack genuine attitude you're not just sitting on a read and trying to skim by.

I'm confident enough to not vote you for now.

Exilon I really like as town.
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #33) » Thu May 09, 2019 9:07 pm

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In post 1230, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1229, High Risk Gamble wrote:
In post 1177, u r a person 2 wrote:Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG
Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.
I'm sure that scum Egix votes Sash here as scum even if buddies together.
let's say i sheep skitter on you
and i sheep you on egix

give me some options for today's lynch
Sorry my uber turned up.
Bob or Ausuka. Both promising lynches but I really need to stop being lazy and explain why.

Also I thought you had Skitter as town already?
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #34) » Sun May 12, 2019 11:34 am

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Weekends are always pretty bad for me, sorry.

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