Mini Normal 2076: Game Over

[PenguinPower]

schadd's scum

VOTE: schadd

ezpz

[PenguinPower]

schadd/vorkuta/?

[PenguinPower]

Hmm...disappointed at the drop off.

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schadd/Vorkuta/nm

perfect

[PenguinPower]

Hi MJL!

What do you think of my thoughts on the scum team?

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Good movie. Pikachu is locktown.

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You think NM is going to be easier to "work with?"

[PenguinPower]

LUV is locktown too...one step above Pikachu.

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NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[PenguinPower]

Hi MJL!

What do you think of my thoughts on the scum team?

I don't know those people, so they're as good as any other picks I guess.

Good enough for me.

Welcome to the team.

[PenguinPower]

I feel sorry for you.

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ME!

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You could help by voting schadd instead of yourself, but I'm happy to join your wagon once more have checked in.

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wtf...there is an otter in this game?

Otterguy replaces Vorkuta in my scum team.

[PenguinPower]

Somewhat inside joke.

Mostly this

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Geez...zor said the same thing.

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is this a fruit vendor claim?

I've seen it before

Really? I thought that was kinda my thing.

Also, Pikotaro is more than just PPAP.

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That's how closed setups work.

Well - you know it adheres to the normal guidelines, but other than that...what I said above.

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Got it.

[PenguinPower]

That's how closed setups work.

Well - you know it adheres to the normal guidelines, but other than that...what I said above.

Okay, then why are you voting for shadd? there's three of you voting for this player, so what do you see that I'm not seeing?

What's wrong with me voting for schadd?

How would this being an open setup change that fact?

[PenguinPower]

Welcome to 2019.

[PenguinPower]

Sure am! Especially with the higher ups of MafiaScum, if I'm correct

Will you sheep me because I have a green name?

[PenguinPower]

Hey, Performer.

What's up?

[PenguinPower]

Good, good. You?

Who are your town reads atm?

[PenguinPower]

Sorry to hear, but glad you got a new one.

Talk to me about your schadd read.

[PenguinPower]

You know what’s cool? Not talking about rep outs.

That’s cool. Also cool is discussing things relevant to the game.

[PenguinPower]

You know what’s cool? Not talking about rep outs.

That’s cool. Also cool is discussing things relevant to the game.

Actually, I have reads and question for people. I'm just too scared of people jumping at my throat lol. But it might be a good time now since no one wants to start the bal.

Just lay it out. No reason to be scared.

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You mean votes?

What's wrong with wagoning someone during RVS?

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Wow...

I will run someone up to L-1 during RVS. I don't get why this is odd or concerning.

How else do you plan to start to gain information?

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I'll wait for the VC

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I'd luv to get my buddy LUV's take on this.

We started on this site around the same time. Great guy.

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What was it that you didn't like about his answer or posts?

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This is a majority game.

Read the rules.

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A player is lynched when the majority votes the same player. Once the player is lynched, the lynchee and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.

Like...I have lots of tolerance for newer players - and I will always suggest starting in the Newbie queue - but I don't have a lot of tolerance for not reading the mods rules posts.

[PenguinPower]

See PenguinPower? This is what I'm talking about. I keep dying d1 because I speak my mind out.

See what? Where have you come close to being wagoned/lynched for speaking your mind here?

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ITT: Vorkuta being scummy.

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ITT: Newbie Listmod lynches all the newbies.

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Voting helps move the game forward. Even random votes help convey information later on.

VOTE: MJL

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I think the MJL/NM relationship is going to be interesting.

[PenguinPower]

Good take and aligns with NM always voting me.

Doubt it will count though.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe just say what you mean then.

Long shot...i know.

[PenguinPower]

solid pagetop MJL

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People who are nice don't play mafia.

VOTE: Gamma

[PenguinPower]

When did Psyche join the game?

[PenguinPower]

No idea how I missed that in the 5 post bump to pagetop.

[PenguinPower]

{penguin}
{cdb}
{psyche, redemption}
{mjl, nm}
{vorkuta, gamma, luv}
{lucky otter, detective pikachu, performer}

Don't you try to pocket me, schmod.

[PenguinPower]

I'm told penguin posts a lot as town so I buy that.

The others.... eh....

Who told you that?

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I may try - not sure I've ever been very successful.

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Performer, are you trying to pocket me again? Oh shucks. I had a slight town read on you anyway.

I'm also seeing schadd's reads in reverse, or nearly. CDB too high (null for me, might just be trying to look busy), gamma, vork and performer too low (although, schadd do you mean that the second to last tier is null and you have several layers of townreads above it?). I'm ok with Penguin high and Pika low for now.

On that note, I'm not crazy about the votes going on Gamma. I don't see it. Any of you want to elaborate?

Psyche, now would be a great time to start chiming in.

Why are you ok with me high?

[PenguinPower]

Given you said you are reading schmod's read in reverse, that means you have me as lockscum?

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I like that it's a wagon.

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I get moving the game along with wagons, but you were on a significant wagon at the time (5-person on MJL) and there were 2-person wagons going on me and Redemption as well, so there must have been something else that made you leave the MJL wagon and choose Gamma over others, no?

Sheeping LUV.

[PenguinPower]

Why is that a scumslip?

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So...scum hunting in RVS is scummy unless your MJL mentioning an RVS wagon on schadd because the RVS wagon on schadd was a ruse.

[PenguinPower]

he was scumhunting in rvs

How is that scummy?

[PenguinPower]

How is that scummy?

[PenguinPower]

How is that scummy?

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Also I'm happy w/ redemption's moonlogic.

Why are you happy with the moonlogic? It doesn't make sense at all.

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I'm so glad I got that.

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How do you know his scum range?

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I mean...the gifs are pretty self-explanatory...

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Yeah...after reading his Newbie game I'm fine throwing Redemption in my townpool.

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I'm voting Gamma my dude.

Not sure how I was defensive in trying to understand you but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Who's Easty?

[PenguinPower]

You see why I TR the guy?

Yeah, it's why I townbinned him.

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Right...but Easty is?

[PenguinPower]

Guys stahp
Also I'm happy w/ redemption's moonlogic.

What is moonlogic?

Logic that only makes sense to the person it comes from.

[PenguinPower]

Pete Rock?

Assuming LuckyOtter since Otters love their rocks.

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Give me the benefit of the doubt in regard to what? The two are completely unrelated.

Your logic re: scumslip was not explained in a manner I understood (nor others given the moonlogic comment which did not originate from me) -> I summarized my understanding of your point and used a gif to express it did not make sense -> [unrelated] N_M made an actual game-related statement -> I expressed my shock to this in gif form.

Everything after the [unrelated] tag is unrelated to your explanation on the Gamma scumslip.

Also, if I'm going to bus a scumbuddy, I'm going to do it in a way that gives me town credit and not just by sheeping someone else.

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Fair call, MJL.

NM's vote should be on Vorkuta.

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That said, get off NM and do something more productive.

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@MJL

[PenguinPower]

-typically if town is informed about stuff (ie- there are 4 mafia in this game triggered), town says so with their first post.

This is disingenuous as it depends on the information they are informed of. It doesn't always make sense for town to communicate the information they have (i.e. There is a town tracker/watcher/cop/etc in the game).

-if you were informed (via role PM) about someone being conf!town how'd you re/act? My guess is that you'll leave them alone, have like 1/2 interactions with them, and never do anything about it UNTIL they're like @L-1. I doubt you'd act on it D1.

Entirely dependent on the player.

ITT: Vorkuta loses townpoints.

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Your gifing skills are weak and your town points lower.

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That was more a joke...your town points aren't as low as your gifing skills.

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To be clear on where I stand re: your town/scum status and you gifing skill level.

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It's cool.

Spoiler: PostGame

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LUV is town and you are bad.

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I mean...I will do a side-by-side ISO compare if you want me to PetRock.

[PenguinPower]

Actually I won't tonight tbh. I will tomorrow.

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Wow...we just solved two out of three.

Good on us.

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I'm not sure what's confusing about that post, but I find it intriguing that that was the post that you chose to comment on after reading the thread.

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first replace-outs are plainly relevant to practically every game they happen in and second i can't really see how discussing replace-outs isn't almost always cool-neutral

Slot repped out. We don't know why. Sure makes sense to discuss that!

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You're advocating that speculating on an NAI action that offers no path to further understanding of said action as beneficial. It's not.

I'm done talking about it at this point though, and there's plenty else to discuss.

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it's just grating to see people say wrong or at least debatable things as authoritatively as you have itt

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it's crazy how I have expressed reads on people and reason for my gamma vote in my really long iso

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can I do your work for you...

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I mean, if you really were ctrl+f'ing you would have seen it soo....

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ooh...let's see if I can press the buttons further.

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For some reason, I feel momentarily helpful.

I like that it's a wagon.

I get moving the game along with wagons, but you were on a significant wagon at the time (5-person on MJL) and there were 2-person wagons going on me and Redemption as well, so there must have been something else that made you leave the MJL wagon and choose Gamma over others, no?

Sheeping LUV.

See how a ctrl+f of gamma would have brought up?

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^
it

"brought it up"

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I''m trolling.

Sometimes wagons for the sake of wagons is good. Like early in D1 when there is little to no info.

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i guess we have different definitions of nothing

To create a wagon and sheep a player is something...

[PenguinPower]

Create info for reference for later day phases and hope we hit scum with the lynch.

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while having fun

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We have >8 days left...we're still early on imo. And, yes, there's plenty of fluff which is why I don't gauge the game based on page number.

I think creating competing wagons is a great use of my vote. That said, Gamma seems to have siteflaked and people have hopped off so it's less useful at this point.

While I may be confident in my opinions, I'm also don't have strong reads at the moment, outside Redemption. That's what I'm trying to work on with my interactions and wagons.

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VOTE: Pikachu

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VOTE: PenguinPower

I don't really buy it. There's an overwhelming amount of real content around. I think this might be your scum game.

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Overwhelming amount of content!

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We think me because Danny Devito played the Penguin in Batman. PetRock brought it up a few pages back.

[PenguinPower]

Oh.

Then no idea.

[PenguinPower]

I applaud the effort.

Well done.

[PenguinPower]

Happy scumday, PetRock.

[PenguinPower]

my position is exact opposite of "D1 is boring let's hurry and end it" — rather i'm accusing yall of that
i think your DP and GE wagons along with the idea that there's not enough information in the thread to build any strong reads reflect defeatism about what D1 can do

Where have we advocated for hurrying and ending D1? Just because wagons are created doesn't mean that we're advocating it results in a lynch. It generates content to go off of. I think the fact that you think there is enough content to go off of is premature, especially for later day phases.

Like...in my view I can see you as relic town or scum. I'm leaning relic town.

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I didn't get the hurry up thing from that post but sure.

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I'm also going to anticipate a negative reaction to the term "relic town" and clarify that it simply means unfamiliar with the newer site meta which from a quick ISO scan I believe is a group that Psyche falls in.

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Yep - Psyche doesn't get it.

Townbin.

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PenguinPower, why do you think that Lil Uzi Vert is town? (post #398)

I have a N0 cop inno on him.

[PenguinPower]

Wagons -> fluidity of wagon -> resistance of wagon -> associations -> ??? -> solves

Yay! Vorkuta gets it.

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VOTE: MaryJoLisa

Hmmm....why?

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If he is scum this game he probably already deserves the win.

I hate this attitude.

Most of that post as well.

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I’m still trying to decide if I hate Psyche’s playstyle or if he’s just scum.

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Im leaning the former atm.

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i'd bet loads of money that he's town if it wouldn't bring outside influences into the game

I mean...I don't really have a problem that you strongly town read him. That's fine...I have one too.

I have a problem with the defeatist "if scum he should win" crapola.

I also hate that your description around his behavior in one post where he has "a potent mix of frustration, desperation, and hopelessness." That feel really fake, which is why I'm trying to determine this is your playstyle or you're scum. Btw...post 130 has no AI content in it. That could easily come from either alignment. "Hi, I'm less grump now. Here's my backstory. I hate character alts. Fluff questions and meh vote."

If Redemption hates defensiveness...this is it: "It really does set up a great explanation for his diluted activity/apparent interest in the game going forward, but hypothetical scum CBD isn't satisfied in just resting on his lurky laurels."

[PenguinPower]

wow nothing happened today
is the thread just gonna die down again if i don't stir the pot some more

Oh yes...pls continue to be our savior.

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Almost as if it's an american holiday weekend and people have real life

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I mean...we do. But not everyone.

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Um...it was a joke dude.

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Like...an obvious joke given we're in a normal game...

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This wasn't a night start game...there's no way I could have a N0 result.

ffs.

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You're in the normal queue.

Game have to abide by a standard.

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Considering your premise for voting me is wrong, I would suggest someone else (Pikachu for example)

But you do you.

[PenguinPower]

Also, it would be good if you answered questions directed toward you. That helps move the game forward.

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'night.

I'm hiking tomorrow, so I'll be back in 24-48.

[PenguinPower]

Just a friendly reminder that L-2 is the new L-1 if NM isn't on the wagon.

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Also I'm just trying to catch up to penguin's post count, don't mind me and carry on solving please

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I'm...trying to protect Redemption...

That's what you've garnered from the game so far?

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Is that the reason you scum read me? Or, is there something else?

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NM called out the mod.

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Very interesting vote Chenn.

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I'm skeptical of the claim.

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You know we already have N_M's nicknames to deal with so this isn't exactly helping

Psyche's title...under his username.

[PenguinPower]

For fear of being read as defending Redemption...there's a reason why even players with experience in Mafia are recommended to through the Newbie queue. We play Mafia on the site differently that ToS or real-life or MU. So, not being new to the game but being new to the site could produce newb!town tells.

I'm leaning town based on that, but I've also seen newb!scum use it as a crutch so I'm not as strongly reading him as town as Vorkuta is.

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For ex| I had 4 years experience with Mafia on my homesite before coming here. I played like crap in my first Open game here (to where my friend from my homesite [who was scum in this game] saved me from being lynched - which I later found out was pocketing) before I went to the Newbie queue.

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And then I got pocketed and destroyed by Thor, but he helped me learn.

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Care to answer my question or are you gonna stick with an unvote?

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Oosh, chenn. You know that's not true.

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Like there are others here who would disagree with that statement, so I'll let them weigh in before pushing further.

Thanks for giving me what I needed though.

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Maybe catch up before seriously responding then.

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schadd, the undermod.

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hmm..

PP can you scum case detective pikachu

wut?

You know me and you want me to case someone?

[PenguinPower]

also if the pp wagon wasn't on scum it was a pretty attractive honeypot imo

wut?

do you know what a honeypot is?

[PenguinPower]

wanting to vote Chenn at this point.

votecount would be good.

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PP is trying to cooperate with his townread instead of suddenly scumreading them in those quotes, that feels town indicative

Could you explain your 180 here?

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No.

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Seems like something I said.

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But at least I'm helping town.

Subject to much discussion.

[PenguinPower]

Wow...bad opinions about movies too.

[PenguinPower]

My kids enjoyed it. So...don't really care. Probably will never open your spoiler.

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Waiting for the mod to post a VC.

Don't want to sheep you on schadd.

[PenguinPower]

Oh hey...3 days left and a slot that has gone 5 days without a prod. Fantastic!

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VOTE: Chenn

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Hey Vorkuta...you think my tone here is similar to our recent Open game?

[PenguinPower]

You think I was laid back in 755...huh...not what I was expecting.

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I've already reached out.

Here's my proposal: Let's lynch Chenn.

[PenguinPower]

I've already reached out.

Here's my proposal: Let's lynch Chenn.

Why Chenn?

Because he's scum.

[PenguinPower]

Based on historical records 1.5% of the Mini Normal games since 1401 had a Town Universal Backup or Town Universal Backup + some other role/modifier.

That said - using past setups to guess at the current setup isn't necessarily a good thing to do and why are you asking me what the likelihood is?

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Who reviewed the setup and where are you seeing that? I don't see it in the first post.

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I wanna lynch Danny Devito

Could you at least vote the proper user name so it counts?

I know...tall ask.

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I have alts

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I would think it more likely they would work to modify the setup to be conducive to a UB if he wanted one. Been awhile since I reviewed a game though.

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think everyone who's posted in the last few pages are probably town

i guess i have luv chenn pp

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I would think it more likely they would work to modify the setup to be conducive to a UB if he wanted one. Been awhile since I reviewed a game though.

Ok so why have you been ignoring Performer pushing this load of crappy fake angle-shooting at me? Now he wants to pretend he hasn't figured out who I am yet, his entire load of incredulity looks really fake

Who said I'm ignoring it?

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Why is Chenn town other than schadd voting for him a few days ago?

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@pikachu

[PenguinPower]

Not helpful given his reasons for reading me as scum are/were basically made up and the rest of his ISO.

Gonna stay on Chenn.

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I can see schadd as scum - that's why I made my pocketing comment earlier. It's not strong enough for me to push atm.

Why Performer over schadd since you were pushing hard there earlier? Just because of the NRG comment?

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my strongest scumreads are still pikachu & chenn.

Why chenn?

that's funny because I myself can't meta read you that well, pp

If you can't meta read me well then...

I trust pp a lot

...why do you trust me a lot?

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and pp with the pagetop

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Why are we having this discussion when Danny Devito is obvscum?

Use the proper user name and maybe I will stop discussing things.

[PenguinPower]

Then don't ask dumb questions.

[PenguinPower]

It's not public.

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I mean - he's telling the truth and reviewers are typically put in the first post so this is kind of an anomaly.

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i dont think either of them would push against UB but i wouldnt expect either to suggest it

Agree. I reviewed Mini Normal 1983 with both of them and it was included (mafia aligned).

I don't get Performer's stance there, but I'm not sure it's scummy? I would prefer him to answer my questions.

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also how did i know you would continue to not be voting as we approach 24 hr

Deadline's frozen until we get a replacement (and the mod hasn't requested one yet).

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Maybe we'll get a PR claim out of the deal? Seriously, aren't we supposed to not talk about this? Isn't that kind of defeating the point?

Why do you want a PR claim out of it?

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Performer has already stated his opinion is based on the reviewers. Rolefishing is scummy.

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If he was counterclaiming UB (which is kinda...wut?) he would have done it.

Which two posts are you talking about?

I don't think he's trying to protect Pika...he doesn't believe the claim so why would he protect Pika?

[PenguinPower]

hmm...

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Zito isn't in this game.

[PenguinPower]

Need to talk about your Pikachu town read

I'm okay with the rest.

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huh...I thought there was going to be some interaction there...

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VOTE: Performer

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Hey nom.

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That was a fun game btw.

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VOTE: chenn

Cdb!slot is definitely town.

[PenguinPower]

You had Chenn as town.

Care to explain?

[PenguinPower]

um...

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vc was like 20 posts ago...

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You have voted MJL yet.

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^haven't

WHY CAN'T I EDIT MY POSTS?!

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Yes, but you still ignored my statement that was actually game relevant.

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nom...I get concerned when we are so closely aligned...js.

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Feels like you should try if you believe your post at the top of the page given what's occurred.

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^
@Chenn

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ew

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Are you trying to tell me you never learned from that?

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VOTE: Chennisden

Sorry, buddy.

You had Chenn as town.

Care to explain?

this is an interesting question

It is one that should be answered but has been ignored.

[PenguinPower]

my gut now says chenn is genuine and town
but it's just a gut

You're being fooled. This is caught scum.

can't wait to see who's right

Would be nice if you solidified your stance with a vote.

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No.