Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:30 pm

I just think Nero is a scum rolecop.
The more I think about it the more I'm confident in it.

He's also approaching this VERY differently than the last large we played together on LYLO... hm...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:32 pm

I'll basically be ignoring the AtE post. I need you to reason with me, just like in the last large we played.
But I'm not getting that. You're acting radically differently to normal discussion.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:38 pm

What about creature?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:39 pm

Need PK to claim now.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:44 pm

It is literally impossible that this is the setup spec and unless you are very bad then you should have realized how impossible this is lol

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:47 pm

In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh

This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:53 pm

In post 4641, Creature wrote:
In post 4639, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh
This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?
doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.

With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:54 pm

In post 4642, Nero Cain wrote:Who, if not Skitter, is Vorks buddy then, Nom?

It must be between PK, Creature and you.
I've been trying to discuss about that but you went off the AtE end.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:59 pm

It's only confirmed from your perspective and you know this.
Again, how you're acting right now is the opposite of the large we played together.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:00 pm

Can PK claim already or is this one of these instances where one person just zips shut the entire game phase

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 4651, Nero Cain wrote:you keep saying "hey reason with me" but I'm not sure what you even want. It seems like you've just made up your mind so w/e.

I need to discuss with people to make up my mind.
I'm leaning on you being scum. I'm not 100% sure on it, but that seems like the simplest solution.
There are certains problems with you being town that need to be addressed, and your answer to them is "I have a confirmed scum sheep me!". If you can't understand how radically different that is from what you've done in the past with me? I don't know what to tell you.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:14 pm

In post 4655, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4643, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4641, Creature wrote:
In post 4639, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh
This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?
doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.
With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.
Why am i conftown here?

If Nero is scum that means you and him spent the entire game setting up a thorough and long scumtheater taking up a shit load of pages and I guess I'll admit defeat if this is REALLY what happened.

If Nero is town that means that from a setup perspective it literally is impossible that you can be scum because that would mean the scumteam consists of 2 goons and 1 encryptor vs all these power roles.

So his claim is basically making you conftown. And given he hasn't realized that, it makes me think that scum!Nero perhaps didn't think that claim through.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:15 pm

In post 4657, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4653, nomnomnom wrote:There are certains problems with you being town that need to be addressed
What do you need me to address?

I was claiming an investigation pr and the beginning of the day phase, why did the rolecop and guilty on Vork change things?

I want you to address who you think is the remaining scum with all this information.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:17 pm

In post 4662, Nero Cain wrote:nom, we are votng vork not skitter today.

You're missing the point.
This is what I'm saying you're not acting like the large we played in together.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Also, for the record

Setup spec and recognizing impossible setup specs is NOT trying to outguess the mod, it's basic logic.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:24 pm

In post 4665, Nero Cain wrote:I thought our roles made him somewhat likely to be town

Please explain.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:29 pm

Skitter I have a question.

What do you think about Nero not claiming when being put at L-1 day 1?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:30 pm

by the way I am starting to realize I have been pushing you for two days straight and now that there is a claim basically confirming you town I feel extremely guilty about it, sorry about that... urgh

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:33 pm

In post 4671, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4669, nomnomnom wrote:by the way I am starting to realize I have been pushing you for two days straight and now that there is a claim basically confirming you town I feel extremely guilty about it, sorry about that... urgh
That's ok, sorry for getting annoyed at some points

Nah I just feel very bad, the other experience with you was a game where I managed to ramble like a maniac and basically destroy town's remaining chances.

I feel extremely bad for almost getting there again. I'm so fucking bad at this game jesus christ.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:35 pm

Let's admit that Nero is right and that Vork is an encryptor.

What's a role that completes the scumteam this game that isn't a rolecop? Strongman? Roleblocker? An invest? I'm not sure.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:36 pm

and that isn't a goon, I guess.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:37 pm

Wait but then again why the hell would I have a no visit on Vork...

In that world the last scum would need to be multitasking or something right? Or they're x-shot?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 4679, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4678, nomnomnom wrote:Wait but then again why the hell would I have a no visit on Vork...
b/c encryptor is passive and he didn't do the kill that night.

Yes but in a world where I'm fairly sure the team would have a last scum PR to compliment the team isn't it way more likely that Vork makes the kill last night?

I guess that's not true if the PR in question is something like a strongman, but yeah.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:44 pm

Again I believe this kind of setup would make 100% sense for a scum rolecop to exist in. With a town rolecop there's a bit of fuckery and more things need to fit into place, I guess.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:45 pm

In post 4681, Vorkuta wrote:Ha ha HAAAAAA No.
Wow being on the receiving side of a fake guilty feelsbadman.jpg
VOTE: NC

Everything about this is wrong

If NC is scum who is his partner?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:47 pm

We still don't know the other modifier on the miller though.

PK really needs to claim.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:50 pm

In post 4687, Nero Cain wrote:there's an older axiom that the least scummy member of the scum team does the kill b/c they are less likely to be tracked/blocked etc. I'm not really understanding why you think Vork would be the one to make a kill.

Because he's an encryptor in a scumteam with at least 99% of having another PR in it.

Mechanically speaking he would be making the kill unless the PR is something specific like a strongman or a x-shot PR.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:51 pm

So mechanically speaking I have reservations on him being scum for that reason alone.

On the other hand, mechanically speaking there is a giant neon sign that says "SCUM" pointing at you.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:52 pm

Creature ducking out of this discussion is making me feel anxious honestly. I should feel relaxed because of skitter being basically conftown but this is stressful with two people watching this happen.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:54 pm

God fucking damn it not this again.

This is Eevee/Skygazer all over again.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:57 pm

In post 4695, Vorkuta wrote:Also I am 99% sure that town!PR nero outs such a hard guilty in his VERY FIRST POST and VOTE OF THE DAY, and not.... 'slow-draw mass claim' which we're obviously going to be doing anyway.

No I disagree, I think this is perhaps the only element that perhaps makes him town.
I think that with how yesterday went the more likely thing that scum!nero would have done is claim a guilty on Skitter. I think.

What he did has done the complete opposite and basically made Skitter conftown. So unless they're galaxy brain scumbuddies this is not the best move for scum!nero, methinks.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:59 pm

Creature would you vote Nero today?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:00 pm

In post 4700, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4695, Vorkuta wrote:lso I am 99% sure that town!PR nero outs such a hard guilty in his VERY FIRST POST and VOTE OF THE DAY, and not.... 'slow-draw mass claim' which we're obviously going to be doing anyway.
encryptor can be either alignment. It wasn't a hard guilty until you fake claimed vanilla.

checkmate

Huuuuh...

What kind of setup has a town encryptor fullstop?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:04 pm

All this approach about not realizing the gamestate and ignoring the discussion entirely is very VERY scummy though. Like town!nero last time answered all my questions, went through with his analysis everytime, went through them calmly and his decision making made sense. Here there are a lot of things that honestly make no sense from both a mechanical perspective but also from a read perspective.

It's just more likely Nero is scum.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:05 pm

In post 4706, Creature wrote:
In post 4699, nomnomnom wrote:Creature would you vote Nero today?
Not feeling it

What do you think of the mechanical situation of town then? And the fact that Nero was not capable of recognizing the gamestate he was in?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 pm

Like I don't doubt for one second that Nero is rolecop.

But the claim has so many implications that he *somehow* missed that it makes me think it is a scum trying to end the game today...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:09 pm

In post 4714, Creature wrote:
In post 4710, nomnomnom wrote:What do you think of the mechanical situation of town then?
We're gonna have to deduce who's more likely to flip scum between Nero and Vork.

...yes, that's what I've been trying to do since he claimed his guilty.
I'm talking from a mechanical perspective here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:10 pm

In post 4716, skitter30 wrote:i don't think there are enough votes for nero so this will be fun, i guess

If you and I vote Nero I guess we'd need creature or PK to sheep.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:12 pm

In post 4721, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4710, nomnomnom wrote:And the fact that Nero was not capable of recognizing the gamestate he was in?
????

I mean....Vork is scum. If Skitter is not his scumbuddy though it certainly looks like it FMPOV but again, I prob won't be here to make that call so let's just lynch the guilty yea?

You don't realize how bad that is? That you somehow miss something that makes someone conftown through your role, even though that's what you're going on about?

It's incongruent. Like come on. I'm sure that must have gone through your head that Skitter could not have been the last scum so why have you been pushing her, god damn it....

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 4725, skitter30 wrote:that's my point

pedit @nom

but at least i don't think there are 4 votes for vork either so

Yeah, you're opposed to vork still?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:15 pm

I think he Neap'd urap and that was the main reason behind his push, tbh. Nothing that helps us here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:18 pm

In post 4732, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4711, nomnomnom wrote:But the claim has so many implications that he *somehow* missed that it makes me think it is a scum trying to end the game today...
What did I "miss"? Also, scum Nero wouldn't claim cop here b/c it puts all kinds of undue pressure on me and there's a good chance that there'd be a lynch elsewhere and win the game.

Also lol @ anyone that thinks I killed BUJ on n2.

You literally missed your inspection making Skitter conftown.
How on earth is that possible? Hello?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:20 pm

In post 4736, skitter30 wrote:nero i think you could have lynched me today if you claimed vt

I think that if nero is scum, he claimed rolecop because that's his role.
If the intent was to push the easy skitter lynch, he would have done something different. So yeah.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:21 pm

In post 4735, Nero Cain wrote:
OKAY

Skitter is confirmed town but we aren't even lynching Skitter today so why the fuck should I care?

You should care because your entire reasoning is on your role and that literally anyone with two braincells would have figured out that it's literally impossible with your results that skitter is town!!!!!!!!!!!

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:21 pm

that skitter is scum*

I'm losing my words

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 4740, skitter30 wrote:i mean but he would have just won so claiming not his role seems like a decent trade-off

idk maybe he checked u one night and knew there was a tracker floating about so real-claimed

really idk

just speculating aloud

I think the scumteam must have checked me eventually and decided not to kill me because my role is not even that strong all things considered.
It's possible.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 pm

It's an argument for scum!nero anyway.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:24 pm

If the scumteam doesn't have a rolecop then the chances of me being alive decrease drastically because leaving a townie that softed a form of invest PR is kinda suicide. And given I had my results the chances that there is a scum roleblocker is even lower.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:26 pm

Seeing that I have a GS shot maybe scums it would be smart to leave me alive and have Nero claim rolecop because it's a free out-of-jail card.
If I end up tracking nero he can also produce the false sentiment that he's a town pr.

a team with scum!nero has reasons to leave me alive.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:27 pm

What reasons does a team with scum!vork have to leave me, a softed PR, alive? It's more yolo and I have more chances to get a guilty on them.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:29 pm

@Creature if me and skitter were to vote nero right now would you hammer/sheep?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:30 pm

In post 4753, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 4748, nomnomnom wrote:Seeing that I have a GS shot

In post 4457, nomnomnom wrote:JOAT, with a tracker and gs shot.

Used my GS shot
on Buj day 1, got a negative result.

Used my tracker shot last night on Vork, he did not visit anyone.
Explain

What do you want explained?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:32 pm

In post 4756, Vorkuta wrote:Oh this was all hypothetical and works under the assumption that scum found your role out

If nero is scum!rolecop then I believe his night 1 move is to check me night 1 immediatly.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:32 pm

In post 4757, skitter30 wrote:@nom we're not voting until pk gets in here

shhhh I'm still trying to sort him

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:35 pm

Can I just say how unreal this is that everyone on this table is accepting my claim as gospel?
Like
there isn't one player between you 4 that has doubted my role and my gut tells me that should have happened???

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:36 pm

Like aside from Vork it's just weird.
Skitter is conftown I guess but Nero and Creature just saying "ok"?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:37 pm

In post 4755, Nero Cain wrote:you are scum with Vork, vork was one of your main pushes so if you were dead he wouldn't have a you to push.

but who cares about the why. Its a hard guilty.

So I take it you'll take any explanation in the world, as long as people vote Vork?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:38 pm

In post 4765, Nero Cain wrote:Why should we doubt your claim?

I can't explain it.
Maybe it just feels weird to have everyone believe me, I guess.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:39 pm

From Nero's perspective I definitely expected a bit of "Hm... sketchy" at least at some point in this game.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:41 pm

I agree with Vork that PK's vote is likely going to be on Vork so yeah.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:42 pm

I mean the guy has been pushing Vork for a long while now.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:43 pm

In post 4776, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4771, nomnomnom wrote:From Nero's perspective I definitely expected a bit of "Hm... sketchy" at least at some point in this game.
why?

"I am a rolecop and someone else is softing a PR and there is a JOAT with a neap shot that just died and now they claimed JOAT. Town!"

Again it's a me thing but my paranoia would have gone off with this if the positions were reversed. But yeah, "I'm not you" etc

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:47 pm

In post 4778, Vorkuta wrote:MAYBE skitter is confident enough to make it through MyLo with bussing her teammate (*looks at banner*), but she was put @L-1 yesterday so no.

Skitter is literally conftown...

why are you both implying she could be scum here

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:49 pm

That's not a townie mindset dude...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:52 pm

Because not sorting is anti-town.
Because this mindset also incorrectly identifies Skitter as conftown and tried pushing Vork/Skitter as scumteam and as a town!rolecop I think this is way less likely to happen.

Scums are more likely to want to push the "I HAVE A GUILTY I CARE ABOUT NOTHING ELSE" mentality the hardest, because that's all they have to go off.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:53 pm

Incorrectly doesn't idenfity*

double negatives woo

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:54 pm

In post 4783, Vorkuta wrote:is it modconfirmed town like the way nero put it?

Except if you believe that Nero and Skitter are gods at scumtheather she is quite literally conftown, yes.

Not mod confirmed, but like, 99% town.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Still feeling like Nero is the most likely scum out of the two here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:06 pm

In post 4798, Nero Cain wrote:Nom is scummy b/c her sole focus is that I should think Skitter is conf town and if I don't that means I'm scummy

And that's incorrect how?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:07 pm

In post 4798, Nero Cain wrote:Still, think that Skitter is scummy as fuck and makes sense as a Vork buddy when she defended the snot out of him yesterday.

Dude.... holy shit

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:08 pm

Is scum!nero going that deep with the outright dumb stuff despite being told it's dumb...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:12 pm

In post 4803, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4800, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4798, Nero Cain wrote:Nom is scummy b/c her sole focus is that I should think Skitter is conf town and if I don't that means I'm scummy
And that's incorrect how?
b/c it doesn't fucking matter. Vork is scum so I see absolutely no reason why I should care about Skitter rn.

How does it not matter when we have to sort her eventually for tomorrow if what you say is true??????
AAAAAAaaaaaaa

holy shit

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:13 pm

In post 4805, Nero Cain wrote:nom, why aren't you trying to convince me that PK/Creature is scum?

Because this is Eevee/Skygazer all over again and that your 1v1 determines the game for me.
Your partner pushes have been Skitter (which you should have realized AGES AGO that it was not possible) or me despite saying entering today that "I could co-exist with you".

Like what the fuck dude you're making me lose my mind.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:14 pm

In post 4807, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 4799, Vorkuta wrote:Do you know what those crumbs sound like?
Hmm

In the interest of fairness and all that
@Nom x3

Where are you GS result crumbs?

There isn't any.
Buj was never in danger ever so I did not feel the need to do it.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:15 pm

In danger of being lynched, that is.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:15 pm

In post 4812, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4806, nomnomnom wrote:How does it not matter when we have to sort her eventually for tomorrow if what you say is true?????
ok nom. We lynch Vork and he flips mafia encryptor. Why do they leave me alive?

if you think they are going to kill me then why do I care about tomorrows lynch if I'm not there?

Because it helps me determine your alignment....
What you are doing right now is the reason why it matters.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Also yes you are 100% dead tonight if you're town rolecop and Vork flips scum because your check spells doom for one of {PK, creature}

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Can PK just post already jesus christ....

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:22 pm

I just

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:27 pm

Nero helping me debate an entire scumteam as a VT in a large normal where he was in a pool of participants with my mason partner death tunneling him yet providing me with thoughtful and accurate discussion

versus

Nero failing to recognize a townie, not reassessing anything, not realizing impossible scenarios and saying "I don't care" and continuing to push impossible scum partners even after being told it is literally not possible....

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:31 pm

In post 4819, Nero Cain wrote:ok, I have a question and ok, I agree with you. A 6/4 setup does make loads of sense and if you are arguing that Skitter is conf town b/c without her the VT count isn't high enough wouldn't that also apply to creature, who was in your poe?

First off no.
I explained it many times, that Skitter cannot be scum with your claim, because if you are town that would mean that with her being scum, the scumteam would be 2 goons and 1 encryptor against all our PRs, which follow the cop possibilities. That's not possible. If you're scum she's only scum if you somehow are gods of scumtheather and I refuse to believe it.

I don't believe that your play as scum is something designed to push a scum partner. If you are scum here it clearly is to end the game with the mindset you've shown, so I think you cannot both be scum.

So the scums are one in {you/Vork} and one in {pk/creature}.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:35 pm

In post 4825, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 4822, nomnomnom wrote:me with thoughtful and accurate discussion
Ok this looks like a good read

Game # and corresponding day # please?

Here's the link to the game. Context is that me and Axe are confirmed as Mason and need to go through the remaining townies. How Nero approaches that day is REALLY different from here, despite being a really similar situation.
viewtopic.php?p=10955896#p10955896

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:37 pm

No like.... urgh....

the worst is that I want to say this is town behavior because scum would probably not go against me like this but the logic is just mind boggingly bad...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 4831, Nero Cain wrote:nom, if you guys end up lynching Vork today why should people NOT think that you are Vorks scumbuddy?

That's a strange question and I feel I should be the one asking you what makes you think I am his scumbuddy.
I've seen the reasoning but this honestly feels like you are only thinking this because I think you can be scum and not buying your claim instantly.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:41 pm

Like, you accused Vork of "scumreading people that suspect him" but this is quite literally what you are doing fmpov right now

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:44 pm

In post 4834, Nero Cain wrote:im asking you b/c Vork is flipping scum and you are trying hard as fuck to lynch not Vork. Why should Skitter and Creature and piss (if he's not scum) think you are town and not Vorks buddy?

This was literally my point about everyone buying my claim as true and no one questioning it. Do you realize what I'm saying or not?

Also I am literally trying to sort between you two. Your entire basis for your skitter and me partner read is "you want to vote me, so you are scum".

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:48 pm

In post 4838, Creature wrote:There's four townies, right?

Yes.
There are 2 scums remaining.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 4840, Nero Cain wrote:You are actively trying to save Vork.

It's not because I think you're scum that I am trying to save Vork.
What kind of read is that?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 4842, Creature wrote:
In post 4841, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4838, Creature wrote:There's four townies, right?
Yes.
There are 2 scums remaining.
Like, if two townies vote Nero and scum doesn't quickhammer, then I'll be persuaded.

We're waiting for PK to claim before anything.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:54 pm

In post 4846, Nero Cain wrote:no it's not, you are trying to save scum. sO fmpov YOU ARE EITHER REALLY BAD OR SCUM WITH vORK.

How is what I'm doing bad?
This is quite literally the same thing that I have done in the large I played with you. What's the difference?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:57 pm

In post 4850, Nero Cain wrote:but if you think I'm scum is that not the same thing as actively trying to save Vork?

No, because that assumes that anyone thinking you're scum is not town :/

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:57 pm

Your logic is honestly extremely bad compared to what I know of you.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 4854, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4851, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4850, Nero Cain wrote:but if you think I'm scum is that not the same thing as actively trying to save Vork?
No, because that assumes that anyone thinking you're scum is not town :/
but I'm not saying that I'm saying that you are defending confirmed scum.

...........................

Nero, if your scumgame is acting really dumb then please change your playstyle

If you are town you honestly should be ashamed of typing that kind of shit.............

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 4855, skitter30 wrote:i'm reading along but i don't imagine i'll have much new to say until pk claims; if anyone wants to talk to me about something lmk

I can't make sense of NC acting extremely dumb.
Is this another instance of me reading stupidity as scummy incorrectly or?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:07 pm

In post 4860, Nero Cain wrote:nom, who is scum with Vork and why. It's not me and I'm not looking for a "one of these ppl are scum" tell me WHY so and so is scum w/ Vork.

I said you couldn't be scum together before.
I'm still debating on {creature, PK} in both situations.
I think that if you flip scum PK is the most likely scumpartner because as Vork pointed out, that means that he has been trying to push a mislynch on Vork when there were people that approved of your lynch right before that.

If Vork is scum then I heavily doubt that scum!PK pushes this hard on scum!vork when there is a serious chance that town accepts it as a compromise lynch, so I'd have to go back and reassess if that's possible, but I think scum!creature fits the bill there.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:08 pm

In post 4862, Nero Cain wrote:my logic is sound. Nom being all like "y would anyone suspect me for being a Vork buddy after I pushed against the Vork wagon" is the dumb one.

I never said that, that never has been what my logic is about, I have l-iterally asked people why they don't suspect my claim or my play.

This is probably the dumbest series of posts I had to sit through and that's right next to Eevee saying there's an oracle in a normal, that's to say how fucking stupid your shit has been today dude. God damn it......

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:10 pm

In post 4865, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4858, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4855, skitter30 wrote:i'm reading along but i don't imagine i'll have much new to say until pk claims; if anyone wants to talk to me about something lmk
I can't make sense of NC acting extremely dumb.
Is this another instance of me reading stupidity as scummy incorrectly or?
i don't think he's this dumb so - you also have experience with town!him playing this sort of situation differently

(i don't think i have any games with him; my take on it is based on his personality/ what i can tell of his ability to make arguments, and not from direct experience; it's a personality assessment more than anything else)

i think he's just pushing things loudly and repeatedly over and over again irregardless of how much sense they make

i spent the last ... two weeks (?) arguing over nothing with him back and forth and having the same argument over and over and over again and i'm kinda done for now so i'm kinda just waiting for the next thing to happen and for you lot to come to the same realization i had ages ago

Yeah like, I tend to be careful with people acting stupid because the last times I've thought someone was scummy because stupid, they've been town (like I just mentioned Eevee). But here this is not the Nero I've played with before.

I think he's scum that's committed to his logic, possibly trying not to spill his partner.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:13 pm

In post 4870, Nero Cain wrote:so nom, Vork flips scum encryptor. You are asked why you are not scum wit Vork and your reply is?

"I can't answer that" would be my answer.
I can't prove I'm not scum. That's a logical fallacy.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:14 pm

In post 4872, Vorkuta wrote:so nom, Vork flips VT and it's post-game. You are asked why the game is over and your reply is?

shiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeet

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:15 pm

In post 4875, Nero Cain wrote:so, I know Vork is scum and you are trying to lynch me over Vork. Why, FYPOV, is that so hard to understand FMPOV?

???

Repeat the question.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:19 pm

I'm just tempted to vote now even though we said we'd wait for PK honestly.
Like man...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 pm

it's 5AM

we got past that point long ago

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:23 pm

In post 4887, Creature wrote:tbh I have no idea who could be Nero's partner.

I'm still somewhat firm on pisskop being town.

I assume that's your problem with voting him?

If vork is scum, who is his partner?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:27 pm

In post 4890, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4876, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4875, Nero Cain wrote:so, I know Vork is scum and you are trying to lynch me over Vork. Why, FYPOV, is that so hard to understand FMPOV?
???

Repeat the question.
ok. I'm town and I have a guilty on Vork. Wich means Vork is scum. You are trying to lynch me over Vork. so from my point of view, you could just be scum that's trying to not let Vork get lynched today. Now obviously, you are going to deny that but why is it so hard for you to see that from my point of view.

I never said I didn't see it.
I said it was a very stupid way of thinking about the game because that also applies to Skitter... which you also have been scumreading... despite the impossibility of her being scum because of your own claim.

Like you have a simplistic logic ("I think you are scum because you are voting me over my guilty, and so is skitter") that classes with mechanical logic. That is the crux of the problem. That is why it matters so much to me that you did not see that you had a skitter conftown'd with your claim, because it's complete dissonance in how you approach things.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:27 pm

clashes with mechanical logic*

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 4894, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4887, Creature wrote:tbh I have no idea who could be Nero's partner.
I have no buddies so I'm either town or 3rd party.

Vork is scum though. And his buddy is either Nom or Piss. If Piss is scum he'll just hammer me b/c Nom and Skitter have already said they were voting me. If Piss doesn't hammer me scum is just Nom and Vork.

Creature is not scum with Vork because...?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:32 pm

What if PK is not replying on purpose

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:32 pm

I guess he'll be prodded but still.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:34 pm

yeah

guess we're waiting

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:37 pm

In post 4901, Creature wrote:
In post 4888, nomnomnom wrote:If vork is scum, who is his partner?
skitter30

are you going to pull a nero too where you don't understand that this is not possible or

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:37 pm

In post 4902, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4895, nomnomnom wrote:Creature is not scum with Vork because...?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHO I THINK IS SCUM WITH VORK B/C I WON'T BE HERE TOMORROW AND it's NOT MY CALL. YOUR FOCUS ON THIS IS STUPID AND SCUMMY. YOUR ULTIMATUM IS TO VOTE VORK OR GET LYNCHED TOMORROW.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:41 pm

@Creature this is why

In post 4658, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4655, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4643, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4641, Creature wrote:
In post 4639, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh
This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?
doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.
With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.
Why am i conftown here?
If Nero is scum that means you and him spent the entire game setting up a thorough and long scumtheater taking up a shit load of pages and I guess I'll admit defeat if this is REALLY what happened.

If Nero is town that means that from a setup perspective it literally is impossible that you can be scum because that would mean the scumteam consists of 2 goons and 1 encryptor vs all these power roles.

So his claim is basically making you conftown. And given he hasn't realized that, it makes me think that scum!Nero perhaps didn't think that claim through.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:42 pm

In post 4908, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4892, nomnomnom wrote:That is why it matters so much to me that you did not see that you had a skitter conftown'd with your claim, because it's complete dissonance in how you approach things.
but nom, you agree that I'd be dead tonight upon a scum Vork flip. I'm not going to be here tomorrow. Skitter wasn't in the lynch conversation today so it didn't matter that she was town or that I recognized it. This is just a talking point to try to throw shade on my claim.

Also known as trying to sort you.
You'd rather have me say nothing and push you silently and not discussing with you?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Do you remember how I felt about Sky/Eevee and that I felt at the beginning that Sky must have been the scum but that the increasingly stupid logic of Eevee made me think she was scum and that it made me lose my mind?

Well if you're town you are literally being the Eevee of this game. And that's not a good thing.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:44 pm

In post 4912, Nero Cain wrote:vork is saying EVERYTHING that Nom is saying. If Nom were town she'd be freaked out right now but she's not.

I'd probably be more freaked out on that front if everything you were saying wasn't so fucking stupid honestly.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:45 pm

The thing that floores me is not you being scum and typing that.
It's the remote possibility that you can be town and dare typing at least 5 of these posts because jesus christ

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:49 pm

In post 4917, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4910, nomnomnom wrote:Also known as trying to sort you.
you aren't trying to sort me, you've made up your mind and you won't vote Vork.

but ok, what are you doing to sort Vork, why are you not interacting with him?

I think you are just scum with Vork and trying hard to not get him lynched.

I've been interacting with him? Not as much as with you but I have.

You are the problematic slot here.
I need to assess YOUR credibility because you have the guilty in your hands. That's was your point right? "I HAVE A GUILTY SHEEP ME". I want to do that. The problem with that is that you type the dumbest shit I have seen in a mafia game so far. So I want to interact more with you to see if, again, I'm letting myself be biased with "HOLY SHIT THATS STUPID, SCUM!" or if you are legit scum abusing that edge.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:50 pm

I don't need to convince anyone here, Skitter was already on board with lynching you before I even said anything and you have a vote on you by default. So that's bad logic there too, on top of all the bad logic you've invoked....

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:55 pm

Except you declared she was scum at least 5 times, before I had to tell you that it was mechanically impossible?
I'm just going to stop arguing, you're probably scum drowning in your own logic.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:56 pm

If you're actually town I want to discuss this because quite frankly this is not normal.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:59 pm

In post 4928, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4913, nomnomnom wrote:Do you remember how I felt about Sky/Eevee and that I felt at the beginning that Sky must have been the scum but that the increasingly stupid logic of Eevee made me think she was scum and that it made me lose my mind?

Well if you're town you are literally being the Eevee of this game. And that's not a good thing.
but hey. Evee
WASN'T
scum. If my "dumb" logic is making you think I'm scum and you've had previous failure using that tell why do you feel like that has merit as a scum tell?

When I have clear evidence that this is not how you normally act (confer to literally the same game) then yes, I think it has merit in that precise case.

I've also brought this up to skitter because she knows that I tend to be biased with this and she seems to be on my side here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:00 pm

and before you go back to saying that skitter is bad town for pushing you, I think Skitter is a good player and that has played a part in my previous scumread on her, and it plays a part in my decision making here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:08 pm

In post 4931, Nero Cain wrote:b/c we played in one game and I pushed how many town including your mason? How is my play all that different?

also lol @ claiming Nero master meta after 1 game

The way you handle conversation is much calmer and more composed aside from losing your shit on Axe which was understandble within the context of that game.
This contrasts with your really agressive way of addressing people that doubt your slot.

Your positions are nuanced and they show you have thoroughly been following the game.
In here your positions are dissonant and ego-centered. Dissonant because of wanting to play mechanically (vork is scum and that's all I care about) while pushing a partner that is mechanically impossible in that scenario. Ego-centered because you assume your position is mod-confirmed.

What you typed in that game was thoughtful and pinpointed at precise elements of the game that basically reasserted my previous feeling that you were town throughout the game, despite a mason partner going to hell and back to convince me you were scum the whole game.
What you type here in contrast is so dumb that I can't even being to imagine town!you unironically writing this and being happy with it.

That's honestly a BIG difference.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:16 pm

In post 4938, skitter30 wrote:i mean it's kinda silly to use you/vork as examples of my reads being wrong at this stage

my thoughts precisely

What you point at was also the basis of my previous scumread, for all that's worth, so I am well aware that her reads haven't been perfect. Thing is mine haven't been either. I tend to let my ego get the best of me and think I am ultra good at this game and push my reads and this is how scums get to me emotionally, by trying to say I am bad and wrong and AtEing it up. I KNOW skitter is town so I discuss logic stuff with her. It's the same as discussing with Axe about logic because I need someone else to talk about my logic to, and Axe literally razed the town out of townies.

That's just what I do. I talk to people about what I think.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:17 pm

In post 4939, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4934, nomnomnom wrote:my previous feeling that you were town throughout the game,
this is absolute bullshit. Axe even cited that you one of the reasons that he voted me is b/c you called me scum in the hood. I mean yes, you did town read me in the end but claiming you town read me all game is false.

iirc it was a mechanical aside and I realized it was stupid after you claimed VT. My memory could be fuzzy here.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:25 pm

In post 4944, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4934, nomnomnom wrote:Dissonant because of wanting to play mechanically (vork is scum and that's all I care about) while pushing a partner that is mechanically impossible in that scenario.
show me were I was voting Skitter today. if I wasn't it means I wasn't pushing her. I have a guilty and that's the only important thing today. Call it scummy or w/e but the "who is Vork's scumbuddy?" isn't this super important question that you are trying to make it out to be.

I think you are just a Vork buddy that refuses to vote him.

It's literally the most capital question ever to try and determine who has a scummy thought process and who cares enough about this game to give some thought about who AT LEAST cannot be scum...

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:26 pm

You have not been voting skitter but that was who you pushed without realizing, by your own claim, that it was not possible.
You are either not following the game at all, or you're scum that made a very VERY poor decision claiming your role.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:30 pm

Okay I have a serious question.

Have you never played town, in this exact position? As in, trying to solve a 1v1?
Because if you haven't that might explain your bad town process but I'd imagine that in 10 fricking years you have at least encountered the situation once, so I am legit confused.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:33 pm

I think I would have voted Vork if you basically reproduced what you did in the Large because I'd have, aside from a slight setup paranoia, no reason to think you're scum, because my belief was that you were town all game long.

The reason I am pushing you *is* because of how you handled today.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:34 pm

Like really, my first real read this game has been that vork was scum, so yeah, that would have been an easy guilty to eat if it wasn't for aaaaaaall this stupid stuff you've been writing. You've been pretty much digging your own grave if you're town. But I feel this kind of horrendous logic comes from scum!you.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 4955, Vorkuta wrote:Huhhhhhh why can't skitter explicitly be NC's scum!buddy.......
Her push is a "half-hearted" and not a "dead-set" push like nom's is and I'm legit scared of her deepwolf potential.

and NC vanilla-ing her could be a farce...

Do you honestly believe that Skitter and NC are able to sustain this long of a scum theather and do you have evidence of that?
If you don't then I don't think it's possible. And yes I'm aware skitter has a little banner under her name that says "GOOD SCUM PLAYER".

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:42 pm

It takes two people for a good scumtheather and nero is being absurdly bad, so no. Guaranteed this is not a scumtheather.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:43 pm

Skitter is just conftown, why are you still trying to push there?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:49 pm

If I am scum I have all the interest in the world to keep Skitter as an available lynch at any time especially given that I thought she could have been scum since she defended Shoshin.

Instead i proved by A+B that she can only be town. How is that a scum move?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:58 pm

In post 4970, Nero Cain wrote:not true. today was always a 1v1 between me and Vork. Buddying the fuck Skitter today so she maybe less likely to vote you tomorrow makes plenty of sense.

I'm open to the idea that its vork/piss but you are refusing to vote Vork. Do you not realize how bad that looks FMPOV?

Locking down my options is not a good thing from a scum perspective because if it happens that one of creature or PK thinks skitter is scum (and surprise creature thinks she can be) then I am locking my push potential, which is suboptimal.

I haven't casted my vote yet and albeit I think it's basically ultra hard to do it, I can still change my mind if you show me what I missed about Vork.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:04 pm

It matters because of you approached today.

Objectively speaking, tell me something dude:
What's the way of discerning a cop with a guilty, and a scum faking a cop guilty?
I am fairly sure that your answer will not be sufficient by "they claimed it". So you should understand my position here that no, you claiming a guilty on MYLO is CLEARLY not a confirmation.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:08 pm

In post 4974, Nero Cain wrote:I think the only way you vote Vork is if it looks like he's going to get lynched.

You're clearly not aware of the game state then.
You're voting him, I am fairly sure PK will vote him when he gets on unless he has a change of heart, and Creature said he felt better about Vork's lynch. It would take Skitter or me to bring it down to a close.

Then again there's creature saying that if he saw PK not hammering on you he'd hammer, but I think that's different. Creature has clearly said he'd prefer a vork lynch.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:08 pm

In post 4975, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4973, nomnomnom wrote:What's the way of discerning a cop with a guilty, and a scum faking a cop guilty?
idk but it's certainly not "does he correctly read both scum? if he doesn't then it means he's fakeclaiming."

...Again that is not why I think your reasoning is bad.

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:08 pm

I'm about to collapse, I need sleep.
Later.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 am

By the way PK was on site yesterday posting so that means that he refused to respond to this game entirely.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:18 am

Huh PK.

Please reread the last pages because you obviously haven't read what happened.

Also please claim.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:18 am

Yes I know there are a lot of pages but all the discussion is capital.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:21 am

Pk not reading the last pages makes me feel perplex, not sure how to read that.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:27 am

Yeah, they're pretty important still.
Can you please claim first though?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:33 am

We need your claim to advance the gamestate.
Please.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:38 am

This is mainly why I think he's been playing like a scum rolecop and not a town rolecop.
Not checking a Miller claim that claimed to have a modifier (which would make use of the rolecop), not realizing you are conftown with a little bit of logic while blindly pushing you and not caring, not even checking my role or shoshin's and instead checking Salad out of all people.

The first point indicates PK being his partner. We really need his claim.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 am

Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same page.

PK, just claim. This is not day 2.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:29 am

who are you

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:29 am

In post 5008, Gollum wrote:Nero obv but my home internet isn't working

oh

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:47 am

It's not just one missplay though, like, there are pretty huge missplays only looking at today.

Again, I have to be careful because the lastime I judged people on play correctness I was wrong but... it's not just one mistake.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:03 pm

Please don't do this.

Everyone has claimed. You claim now. Don't hoard the gamestate like this.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:04 pm

You are also willingfully ignoring the claims and discussions of today.

What are you doing?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:06 pm

I believe it hasn't changed but sure.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:06 pm

lol it was a rhethorical question

@PK please claim....

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:08 pm

We. are. in. massclaim.

This is not me day 2 asking if you're miller this is literally everyone waiting for your dumb ass to claim so we can proceed.

I'm losing my mind -_-

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:09 pm

What's your thought on the Nero/Vork 1v1?
Or perhaps you also haven't followed that?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:10 pm

Why are you doing this

Just why

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:12 pm

In post 5034, pisskop wrote:
In post 5031, nomnomnom wrote:What's your thought on the Nero/Vork 1v1?
Or perhaps you also haven't followed that?
real quick here.

Why would nero bus? no reason to from a gamestate perspective.

......................
it's a mechanical 1v1, only one of them is scum

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:12 pm

I'm starting to think you're doing this on purpose.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:14 pm

You're depressing. Straight up.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:16 pm

I think Nero's scum no matter way I look at it.
Let me think about this for a good 10 minutes.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:26 pm

Yeah... honestly the claim feels like it's honest, but I feel what you said straight up makes more sense from a scum roleblocker and I think the lines you have said you have taken do not reflect a town rolecop's mindset at all. I think that me or PK would have been checked at one point during the game.

You're tried to push the impossible Vork-Skitter pair and perhaps this is you not realizing why your claim cleared Skitter's slot, and that seems to go in the direction that you came in today to try and get a guilty on Vork. It's also really apparent in your intent to try and get the last spot to claim today. The last spot allows you to safely claim a guilty without contradicting yourself. Yet the contradiction came later in the form of you not realizing the implications of your claim.

Vork has a scummy attitude and yes, he mirrors my thoughts pretty much constantly, you are right about that. Vork is a player that has set my alarm bells since day 1 just from the way he acts. But honestly it might just be that. The only thing that scares me is him basically trying to deathtunnel my slot for two days straight without really listening to anyone. But again, it could just be a vork thing.

At this point it's mechanical play, and many mechanical mistakes and a perceived agenda of playing for today only, versus Vork's personality and odd behavior. And at this point I kinda need to follow the mechanical solve because if I don't I will never forgive myself.

If you're town I'm really sorry.
VOTE: Nero

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:27 pm

scum rolecop*

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:33 pm

I still think Vork's not a bus so I'm removing him from the analysis.

That leaves us with PK and Creature and I think PK makes the most sense for a Nero-PK team. Maybe the only reason Nero claims a guilty on vork today is to allow his partner to skip the gamephase and just vote Vork and be justified for it. That seems simplistic and I don't really how if these two would play on such a simplistic mindframe but that seems likely. That maybe explains it. That's one of my only explanations anyway.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:52 pm

I see you're suddenly interested in the game lol

How about you read today

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:53 pm

In post 5044, pisskop wrote:
In post 5043, nomnomnom wrote:Maybe the only reason Nero claims a guilty on vork today is to allow his partner to skip the gamephase and just vote Vork and be justified for it.
This makes zero fucking sense.

Think harder about this.

It actually makes sense because we have pages and pages of analysis which you said you would just skip to vote Vork.
So yeah.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:54 pm

What I am trying to say is
>scum nero fakeclaims guilty
>you come in and say "I TOLD YOU SO" and vote vork while not reading anything

Which is what you've actually done before I told you to unvote. How ridiculous is my thought process in that case?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 5050, Gollum wrote:Nom, if me and piss are scum together that means 4 us to have any chance of winning and not be lynched he has to town it up today but he's being blatantly scummy b/c he knows that there is no tomorrow

I'm not sure I follow.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Tbh where his vote is doesn't matter.
If we're wrong and it's a Vork-PK team he'll just switch his vote when skitter gets on because she's voting with me.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:09 pm

I'm just following the mechanical solve.

If I am wrong and I vote Vork I will feel REALLY stupid not to have look at the mechanical facts.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:10 pm

And I'm fairly sure I'm going to get a roasting by the entire dead thread too so no.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:13 pm

I've learned better than get influenced by emotional posts :/

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm

I may be insane but I'm not stupid.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:28 pm

We won't get there.

Hopefully.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:12 pm

I'm pissed that PK is not claiming but this stubborness might just be town and his "lol im a troll!" attitude he used to enter this game but urgh

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:18 pm

I mean, I think we got over that already.
Cinn must have been fed that fakeclaim. But I see where you are coming from. I don't think they would have this much of a galaxy brain to plan a gamestate this far ahead. I don't know.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 pm

Is there even the remote chance that Nero is bussing vork here?
I don't want to ditch that possibility if there's more than niche chances for it happening.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 pm

No I mean, it wouldn't make sense, then in the case Nero survives everyone goes ??? at him and he goes "oops" and it's over for him. That makes no sense.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:21 pm

I don't actually remember if scums get a moment before the game starts to talk about things. Is that a thing? In that case it's possible.
Are Nero/Urap the type of player to feed that fakeclaim in the first place? And if yes, why?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:22 pm

I don't remember having that much time in Catloaves to plan anything, we pretty much got launched in the game and that was it lol

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:25 pm

These posts you linked are extremely townie.
And I got the feeling that PK was extremely town from the way he handled things.

It's just his play today that sets me off. Just like Nero.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:29 pm

I mean this leaves us with Creature.
Would these two make sense as partners? I'm less sure.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 5096, Gollum wrote:Nom, if scum are me and pk why does pk act blatantly scummy here?

I don't know.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:41 pm

In post 5103, pisskop wrote:
In post 5077, nomnomnom wrote:I'm pissed that PK is not claiming but this stubborness might just be town and his "lol im a troll!" attitude he used to enter this game but urgh
okay. I was a doc. 2shot.

...
what

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:42 pm

hahaha holy shit that fucking claim

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:42 pm

so 2-shot doc full stop?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:50 pm

what is up with everyone still saying skitter can be scum even with nero's claim holy shit

Pedit: dunn is fucking dead

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:55 pm

@Skitter Wouldn't it be bastard to put a scum doc in the same game as a gunsmith?
Roughly for the same reason that godfather isn't a normal role?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:58 pm

In post 5127, skitter30 wrote:
In post 5124, nomnomnom wrote:@Skitter Wouldn't it be bastard to put a scum doc in the same game as a gunsmith?
Roughly for the same reason that godfather isn't a normal role?
no the nrg doesn't have a problem with this, oddly enough

(no idea what the logic behind this is, but scum-doc is fine in normals with gunsmiths)

what the hell guys lol

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:59 pm

In post 5128, pisskop wrote:bitch.

Anyway. We have an encryptor.

Can we kill it and move on to the real dark souls?

That setup spec with a flipped goon and an encryptor claim hahaha

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:05 pm

Honestly I have trouble finding a partner for vork.

It can't be you. It can't be Nero. I really doubt it's PK because of how hard he has pushed vork all game long. So by process of elimination, it would need to be creature? But that doesn't even seem that good of a pairing? And Nero is still pretty likely to be scum anyway and have more likely partners than Vork?

I don't know this is giving me a headache. That fucking 2-shot doc claim isn't a thing right

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:07 pm

is PK the kind of guy to hard bus his partner like that constantly?

Like I can't help but remember the playerlist almost lynching vork yesterday out of nowhere and PK was kind of the biggest voice in that even though he flipflopped a lot iirc.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:08 pm

But that 2-shot doc claim is just straight up bad. Worse than Nero's. And Nero's claim was already extremely doubious. We're not playing with 2 docs. And if we are I'm fairly sure the game would not be goon-encryptor-xxx?

And it also would mean that Cinnamon fakeclaimed miller. And that means he's way more likely to be scum as a result.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:09 pm

In post 5138, Vorkuta wrote:So I skimmed this, but is pk a miller, 2-shot doctor, both, or neither?

I asked and I got no answer.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:15 pm

The claim is so specific but the two roles don't go together, none of our roles makes sense with a miller too, and 2 docs roles in a game where people want to push a scum team spec of goon-encryptor-xxx is just what the fuck.

I guess this game has to be whack in one way or another.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:17 pm

Do both Nero and PK as a team make 2 insanely wtf claims in the same day?

@PK claim your saves

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:19 pm

Although these claims are not that wtf if you consider the rolecop is scum and/or that the high number of investigatives this game would scums having a doctor, which could make sense with someone with a vig shot and someone with a gs shot even though I find that incredibly bastard.

That could explain some things.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:22 pm

At the same time it makes sense but like... I only have one gs shot. I think the bastard meter rises a lot if I ever check him and I have no guilty. I know it's possible but like, urgh.

I think there's a silver lining somewhere anyway with all of this.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:23 pm

UNVOTE:

I need to rethink all of this.