Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[Pretentious]

I’m here. I’ve been inactive a bit, been having some weird relationship issue type thing going on, so I’ve only been logging in every now and then, and this game wasn’t the priority.

I don’t know what else to say. I’m town.

[Pretentious]

(i’m Morality)
I shut up as town in games I replace into and never catch up, but other than that, it’s basically only when i got stuff in real life going on.

I don’t really care to argue here. If I’m gonna die, I’m gonna die.

I asked Plum after I alt slipped here to replace me into this account.

I’ll try to stick around, but :shrug:

[Pretentious]

I think that's L-2 actually. Though being able to put someone to L-1 or L-2 when the next closest is L-5 is hardly out of dodge. All that's happened is he's shut up so people are looking more at other players, though I'm not sure I'm happy with how little that is happening...

Do you disagree with my read that the game going quiet increases the town equity of the leading wagon, or just think he's been scummy enough it doesn't matter?

He hasn't posted for a couple of days, that's what I meant by out of dodge...

I'm sure that if Morality is scum here, the wagon is a part of the scum plan and the other members of the scum team have their votes where they want them so imo that doesn't give the wagon town equity. But depending on the flip, I might reconsider.

This is weak because it’s obviously part of the scum plan anyways, and I’m town.

[Pretentious]

Scum are 100% on my wagon. Multiple. One is probably off.

[Pretentious]

Its the weekend so im now starting to get fully caught up on the posts before wedsday. I cant see anything in moralitys post other than fluff and him talking about himself.

I cant realy see him trying to sort other players at all.

On top of the nature of morts roleclaims that lead me to leave the claim was false. And at most him being scum jailkeeper. I just cant see a town jailkeeper acting liek that. No attempt as i can see to try and find who is worth protecting even if it means roleblocking them too. Or who has high scum equity that could be roleblocked by being jailed. Either stopping a kill or scum ability that way.

This is a town tell, Bob. I’m one of the strongest scum players on site, and can socially analyze the social dynamics of a broomstick.

[Pretentious]

Guess you’re just a surface level player

[Pretentious]

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum either, so if i were scum here, why would I be a scum jailkeeper and claim that?

I didn’t wanna claim my role yet, so if you quit being surface level.

I could also see Bob being scum trying to “convince themselves” to come onto me.

[Pretentious]

regardless of scum or town ive never seen fl shut up tbh so this is a new one

I actually think this is town indicative of DDL.

[Pretentious]

regardless of scum or town ive never seen fl shut up tbh so this is a new one

I actually think this is town indicative of DDL.

Not by meta, but he’s had this “I’m not sure which way to read this” kind of mindset that seems genuine.

[Pretentious]

I always am right about the scum in the end But always with pleanty of twists and turns

I’m not scum. It’s early day 1, i know surface level analyzing is easiest to look at, but please go a little deeper first.

[Pretentious]

Mizzytastic also seems genuinely town to me. If he’s scum, he’s white knighting me in a really poor way that I don’t think helps him, which makes me feel like he is town because he’s not doing anything for his own gain.

[Pretentious]

I hard mislynched RCEnigma in a recent game that finished, so i feel he might have a similar lust for my blood here, so I don’t scum read him pushing me. This finished after this game started, so I couldn’t bring it up until now. I feel like RCEnigma has a plan to push me no matter what he rolled if I went wild.

He could be using it as a scum tactic, but it doesn’t make him scum, if that makes sense. There’s nothing in particular that makes him scum, but nothing here I see as definitely town either, especially considering I hard mislynched him Day 1 in a recent game that ended.

[Pretentious]

I always am right about the scum in the end But always with pleanty of twists and turns

Bob not voting me in this post is semi town indicative. I baited him with my posts beforehand, and I feel if he were scum, he would have jumped on it.

[Pretentious]

Bob might be scum

I thought this too until recently, so Skitter seems to think the same, although I don’t like to town read Skitter early, a thing least write her off as town.

Skitter is not voting me right now, but she was, and idk if she thinks my wagon can go through without her, so if she is scum, that’s what she’s doing. That being said, I lean town her and think she’s doing some analysis, and I don’t expect her to live long if she’s actually town.

[Pretentious]

Ben’s the most surface level town so far this game or scum.

Saladman i get gut scum feelings from, and the cases they’ve made seemed thought out and semi political.

[Pretentious]

I think i like Tris. I’m not sure why, I just don’t feel like they are scum. I believe I brought up this feeling a few days ago?

I don’t really remember anything of Vex other than that they are Korina.

[Pretentious]

i don’t remember anything about Skellen at the top of my head, but I remember posting something regarding to Ramblings to them, I think?

Luv had that one post I didn’t like, that someone else liked for some reason.

And essentially, that’s where I’m at.

I don’t really know who’s scum, I’m probably town reading a scum somewhere, but it’s early.

[Pretentious]

My Skitter read is actually a bit more complex, maybe I’ll go into it more later.

[Pretentious]

Morality sure got out of dodge. I don't like it.

VOTE: Morality

That's L-1

But yeah, like mizzy said, what?

I’m still by far the highest wagon, the game just slowed down.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Ben

[Pretentious]

I would imagine scummy.

Are you saying you think Vex and Skitter are potentially scum together?

[Pretentious]

I can see why you say it, but I think Skitter would kill Vex in an instant

[Pretentious]

It does make me scum read Vex a little more, though.

[Pretentious]

He’s just saying he thinks Vex and Skitter look like Scum Theatre.

[Pretentious]

DDL might be scum.

So you think DDL and I are scum together?

And if fogport has nothing to do with it, then i don’t see why you tunnel here if you aren’t scum or town trying to catch someone else, because you don’t have a correct read on me at the moment.

When I am scum against you, i a completely aware of your presence from the beginning.

I guess you could say that Morality was aware, but you were a big presence in my last amorality game.

As was DDL.

So the fact you push me as scum while knowing how incredibly aware I am as scum, and specifically the last time I played on Morality, for you to think that this is scum is borderline scummy of you.

You aren’t correct. And your Morality meta is outdated.

Also, I PM’d Plum to replace and switch accounts based on my Large Theme I’m modding on Morality is going into Sign Ups tonight!

[Pretentious]

Also, every Morality meta you brought in is completely countered by the TownMorality games that did the same exact thing and got mislynched for it.

[Pretentious]

My flip wouldn’t be informative.

If I were scum, you can bet your bottom dollar that whoever my scum partners would be you would not find.

That is my bread and butter on the Morality account.

But i am town, so whatever.

And nobody is scummy necessarily for being on me or off of me, and you can expect both in games when I am scum

[Pretentious]

My Skitter read is actually a bit more complex, maybe I’ll go into it more later.

do tell

I’ve just seen you evolve over the years, and don’t see you as just some random newbie so now I always assume the moon logic theories are super possible with you.

[Pretentious]

I was including your town flip being informative cos of your willingness to interact but ok. I disagree with your wagon right now, remember?

I’m aware. I just think there are better executions than mine.

[Pretentious]

I’m obv town

[Pretentious]

When I’m scum i have fantastic fake claims.

[Pretentious]

I forget who it was, but someone brought up me having reads and content through interactions, and YES, exactly that’s how my content comes about.

Jingle said in a game that just finished that my utility comes from my ability to reevaluate.

[Pretentious]

I’m obv town

When I’m scum i have fantastic fake claims.

You say both of these things as either alignment

Doesn’t mean I don’t mean it as both alignments!

[Pretentious]

@dolittle Why is BEF town?

DDL-BEF probably have at least 1 scum in them after thinking about it. There positions on me are weird.

[Pretentious]

Ugh, ugh, ugh! Auto correct is annoying. *their their their their

[Pretentious]

judge

FL.

And now I'm resisting the urge to vote you for impersonating THE LAW.

I was Judge Joseph Dredd in OK2, I get to be Judge Flavor

[Pretentious]

A50 just got beat by scumMe, but he got beat by Scum RICK FUCKING DALTON.

I’m actually rather calm in early game as scum, I feel. People didn’t think i had much content.

I fake claimed, but only the people who knew me knew I was fake claiming, so it wasn’t like this at all.

[Pretentious]

What she said! Move on from it yall

[Pretentious]

Why can’t there be 1 scum on each wagon, and they’re all town...?

I’m not saying that based on any slot specifically, just basic wagonomics.

[Pretentious]

Trust me

Oh, you convinced me. I'm totally sold you're town now.

Ben is literally the most obv scum in this game, and has zero actual reasons that both you and Skitter have claimed to be NAI about.

[Pretentious]

Fuck it. A50 should we claim masons.

[Pretentious]

Oops that was meant for our mason PT.

[Pretentious]

when I'm scum

Trust!

[Pretentious]

Can we just move on from the fake-claiming thing now?
It's noise
It's nai
It means nothing

i also don't think this is true

He uses it to create distractions and to manipulate the game state

It's a tactic he uses for a variety of reasons as both alignments, but it's not sincere in any way imo

I'd just ignore it

However, I have given legitimate and sincere thoughts throughout the rest of the game. My game isn’t just that, and if anything that should put me as a lean town or higher considering to you it’s NAI.

Meaning anyone pushing me as scum should be borderline scum to you, especially if you yourself can see that I am town.

[Pretentious]

I have 135 posts in this game, and the majority of it isn’t even anything dealing with the claims, so the fact people get hung up something that everyone already knows is NAI and uses it as the main reason is straight up trash and/or scum indicative

[Pretentious]

The fact of the matter is, I’m not an early game lynch because of my sheer readability later in the game.

I’m getting fear policy wagon’d here.

[Pretentious]

And that’s been the case for the majority of my town games recently.

[Pretentious]

Also, as scum, I would have scum partners to get me out of situations like this. This is why I am town as other than Mizzy, there’s been zero support for me, and Mizzy isn’t even S/S support because scum doesn’t help out on a surface level.

If anything, Skitter would be the only person here who could possibly be protecting me in anyway if I were scum, meaning I physically can’t be scum.

[Pretentious]

I'm specifically referring to claiming thing, not to the rest od your iso

I’m specifically referring to other people’s reads other than yours because you are the one who is reading me correctly at this point. Not saying you’re confident or anything, but you are going about it the right way. Scum doesn’t throw that stuff out because it gives townMe too much control over them.

[Pretentious]

I have 135 posts in this game, and the majority of it isn’t even anything dealing with the claims, so the fact people get hung up something that everyone already knows is NAI and uses it as the main reason is straight up trash and/or scum indicative

I actually dont think you have much content tbh

More than the majority of this game.

Don’t look at it from a surface level.

And that’s literally my thing. Jingle/SS both agree that I’m painfully obvious to read late game, which is how ScumJingle recently got around because he knew he couldn’t scum read me because of how obvtown i was, but town just doesn’t see it right now. :shrug:

They just get paranoid because majority of the year I’ve been scum even though I’ve had a damn strong town game this year, for the most part.

[Pretentious]

Also, as scum, I would have scum partners to get me out of situations like this. This is why I am town as other than Mizzy, there’s been zero support for me, and Mizzy isn’t even S/S support because scum doesn’t help out on a surface level.

If anything, Skitter would be the only person here who could possibly be protecting me in anyway if I were scum, meaning I physically can’t be scum.

I'm p sure you used this defense as scum in skygazer's pokemon large over the summer

Probably. I played my town game pretty well that game, so that makes sense.

[Pretentious]

Ok why should i townread you here?

Gamestate. Unless you can’t see gamestate.

[Pretentious]

The relative social dynamics between me and the players here.

The correlation between myself and other players mindsets towards me.

[Pretentious]

I dont even know what your reads are

Then you haven’t read. :shrug:

I literally spent like a whole page going through my thoughts on every single player in the game.

And the only one I didn’t speak up much about was your slot, which i feel isn’t as necessary because it doesn’t matter what I say, it’s about the interaction.

I gain reads through interactions. And I’ve had a lot of interactions this game thus creating a lot of content and creating an extreme amount of discussion.

I have singlehandedly created the most discussion this game.

[Pretentious]

Ok why should i townread you here?

Gamestate. Unless you can’t see gamestate.

A) i want to know what *you've* done that's townie
B) why shouldn't i read the stalled gamestate as a stalled wagon on scum?

Everything I’ve done is townie because I’m town.

Scum don’t just come off as scummy like that, especially day 1. And if they do, they can easily push that off.

How would a stalled gamestate with a scum team in on be scum indicative ever?

Like ever? There’s an entire team. I don’t get stalled on when I’m scum. I manipulate it with the assistance of my team to change the gamestate.

[Pretentious]

Ok how are you reading me rn?

You are generally solid in gamestate right now which is either town indicative of you not letting scum manipulate you specifically or scum who’s happy with the way things are going right now and playing damage control.

I generally lean town on you right here, but I’m not surface level enough to think my town reads are necessarily town and that my scum reads are scum.

I read things as “why is this my read”
Why am i scum reading this person

Is it because someone else is manipulating the game state somewhere to try and get me targeting that guy, or is that guy being manipulated to make pushes so that other people will go at him.

[Pretentious]

And that is also a main reason why I KNOW scum was on me.

The fact that people just auto assume things on early fucking Day 1.

I am not wrong on that fact, even if I’m wrong on some other things, and that is the epitome of how TownMe works.

[Pretentious]

I have been actively engaging with people, I have actively played in a way to create a lot of discussion, I have responded to nearly every single player coming at me, I have commented on my thoughts on nearly every player especially when they come up, I have actively responded to people who may have issues or asking why I did something the way I did, I have brought up multiple links with corresponding meta reasonings, and I have explained why I think some covers are better than others on me, which doesn’t make them town, just better.

Anyone who says I don’t have content this game is just an incredibly surface level player or scum, and there’s nothing else anyone can do to help them at this point.

[Pretentious]

@pretentious i think you're trying to manipulate me into townreading you rn

I have no idea if that's ai but that's what you're doing

I’m not trying to MANIPULATE you into it, I’m trying to force you to see that I am town.

Don’t use buzz words to make me come off worse.

Everyone thinks town’s priority is to find scum, especially early game, for some reason, but that is not correct.

Town has a job to get other players to correctly town read them as well, and that’s how I play.

I even start everyone as town rather than null and work that way. This isn’t a new philosophy, I’ve been saying this kind of thing for years.

[Pretentious]

Not even force, I’m just trying to get you to see that I am town.

I have so much content, people are just blinded by everything else, and I am doing my damn best to push past that.

[Pretentious]

how can i be helpful and reassuring

I felt like you were trying to get me to townread you / buddy me / talking to me like you thought i was town throughout that convo, esp here ^

It seems like that’s just how you play then, every comment is made to manipulate you, because you just said the same thing to me now

[Pretentious]

Skitter, why the hell does ScumMe talk to you like this?

I think my back and forth nature with you is incredibly town indicative.

Like that game you were IC in.

We have like near the exact same connection here as we did there, but you ended up correctly town reading me.

[Pretentious]

Skitter, why the hell does ScumMe talk to you like this?

I think my back and forth nature with you is incredibly town indicative.

Like that game you were IC in.

We have like near the exact same connection here as we did there, but you ended up correctly town reading me.

Maybe I’m just bad at flirting

[Pretentious]

Ben. Maybe DDL.

I can go back to scum reading you if you want.

I don’t think scum you gives me the opportunity to get out of this ever is the main thing, so I’ve been semi testing you here and there because I thought you were potentially semi WK’ing me, but really hoping my lynch went through as scum.

[Pretentious]

is it bad that i kinda hope you just get nk'd at some point so that i don't have to form a real opinion

That’s the thing. I literally am one of the players that get NK’d like this. Players can’t wait for me to reevaluate, that’s my strength.

I’m either gonna solve the game, or I get night killed. Scum just have to choose when they can kill me or risk keeping me alive expecting to mislynch me sometime, but that’s how Musicals happened earlier this year.

People were trying to kill me, and I claimed Day 3 IC, and scum knew I wasn’t, but kept me alive and I became essentially conf town and Vig shot one of em.

Everyone thinks I make things a hassle for town, but scum know townMe is the biggest hassle they ever are gonna have.

Just ask Almost50 about it.

[Pretentious]

Still feel weird about ben. His most recent post has again this defensive/justifying tone/phrasing that rubs me the wrong way. Don't know if that is just his personality or it's because of people being wary about his fixation on Pret.

He has an ‘07 join date.

They all use my playstyle to sit and do nothing as scum. Then they get upset when they can’t do anything to me, and I catch them out as scum.

Ask Kuribo.

[Pretentious]

Skitter, why the hell does ScumMe talk to you like this?

I think my back and forth nature with you is incredibly town indicative.

Like that game you were IC in.

We have like near the exact same connection here as we did there, but you ended up correctly town reading me.

Maybe I’m just bad at flirting

mafiascum really **is** a dating website

If I’ve been scum with you before, but since then we haven’t, then we’re basically exes.

[Pretentious]

I’d really prefer not being Day 1 mislynched.

[Pretentious]

Scum is likely hiding in players that aren’t being suspected.

[Pretentious]

Salad, Bob, Ben, luv probably have 2 scum in them. One of them is likely Ben.

[Pretentious]

Hmm, 3 of those coincide with min, and the 4th was LUV, so it makes sense heMs not there.

[Pretentious]

I’m a god town player, but it’s not generally realized until end game. :shrug:

Everything I say when i am scum comes off as genuine and sincere, it’s one of my strengths.

Seemingly ungenuine means I’m town

[Pretentious]

I don’t agree that I’m not genuine, obviously

[Pretentious]

Although, I do have a strong weakness in getting pocketed if someone plays to my ego

[Pretentious]

FL shouldn't be in lylo and if you guys don't deal with him before then I would be super disappointed.

I fully agree tbh. That still doesn't mean we don't give him one day to try to prove his innocence. Erm.. unless of course he is a Vig, in which case it'd be best to lynch him today than wait for him to shoot/powerlynch a townie.

I have on record been proven to have pretty good Vigilante shots.

Something_Smart even commented that a Vig is much better in my hands than his because he doesn’t trust himself to make the shot. This was brought up in a game we were both vig’s in.

[Pretentious]

Id trust FLs shot if he were a vig.

Also I like that analogy for bed.
I think he's probably town regardless of your alignment.

Oh, thanks

[Pretentious]

I also just feel like whatever i say you're going to inform.me as a towntell for you

Exactly.

Everything I do is a town tell because I’m town, and I do all my town tells as scum.

So nothing I do is ever scummy, DUH.

[Pretentious]

You're making me want to vote u

Please don’t. My wagon’s finally going down and it shall likely make me think that you’re doing it to get pressure back on me because of your town cred.

[Pretentious]

I’d rather Bob than DDL.

I appreciate you tris for giving me a chance.

Skitter, I wanna appreciate you a lot.

I wanna be 100% Skitter’s.

[Pretentious]

A50’s borderline TMI’ing.

[Pretentious]

I just got some kind of vibe like A50 was talking and he was saying stuff that was like...he KNEW was true, rather than analysis, and the only way he’d know that is if he were scum.

A50 pinged me, and generally when I get a ping from A50 like that, he’s scum.

I have a pretty good track record of catching scumA50 too.

I didn’t get pinged by him before that post, nor did Vex really ping me.

[Pretentious]

Chill! You weren't watching him from above in Ok2, as you were more focused on killing everyone in the game, you sleazy backstabber.

But i did watch BEF from above when he was town faking a vengeful when scum governor shot the person he claimed he was gonna venue seconds prior to it being unable to go through.

[Pretentious]

Chill! You weren't watching him from above in Ok2, as you were more focused on killing everyone in the game, you sleazy backstabber.

But i did watch BEF from above when he was town faking a vengeful when scum governor shot the person he claimed he was gonna venue seconds prior to it being unable to go through.

This is actually irrelevant, i just wanted to bring up a moment i remember watching over.

[Pretentious]

Morality/Pretentious's town/scum range (fucking everything?) comes across as "I want to lynch this whatever" and not actually considering the read they have

I believe I’ve been one the same person for the majority of this game, so I have absolutely no clue where this came from.

The fact this came directly after my TMI post is incredibly suspicious, especially considering where Mizzy was regarding to my slot for the majority of this game.

[Pretentious]

pretentious - I'm willing to let this be town for now and I really don't like how the wagon there has progressed, but I don't want him anywhere near LyLo so if he has to be the lynch then sure

Wait, so I’m on his could compromise at eod list and his want to lynch list...hmm...

This might have been scum White Knighting me earlier.

[Pretentious]

at this point I doubt I'm moving my vote unless something drastic happens over(rl)night or it gets to my bedtime tomorrow (3-5 hours before deadline) and it looks necessary to ensure a no-lynch

would be nice to get to some L-1/intents ASAP to give time for claims and moving wagons, though I get the impression I'm one of the more novice players here so I dunno why I'm saying this

You literally brought up Compromise lynched in your previous post.

[Pretentious]

Morality/Pretentious's town/scum range (fucking everything?) comes across as "I want to lynch this whatever" and not actually considering the read they have

I believe I’ve been one the same person for the majority of this game, so I have absolutely no clue where this came from.

The fact this came directly after my TMI post is incredibly suspicious, especially considering where Mizzy was regarding to my slot for the majority of this game.

You that read wrong.

This was mizzy's take on how someone else was approaching your slot.

Oh, my mistake mizzy

[Pretentious]

Y’all deadass trying to use a 12 page game for meta?

[Pretentious]

I’m legit a JK.

[Pretentious]

Let me have at least a chance to prove it tonight

[Pretentious]

Skitter, stooooppppp. If I do end up going down, lynch Skitter. This is super scum indicative. She’s been floating around wagons specifically trying to make sure my wagon goes through without her being the one to push it further.

Look back at her from earlier on too in regards to it.

After my flip, if there’s a Vig, shoot her. You will not be wrong. Yes, she’s townie, but Skitter is townie as scum.

[Pretentious]

Are you willing to get lynched later down the line if that is proven false or you claim something else?

Yes, down the line. Not Day 1.

You just make me feel so much like you’re scum pushing through me

[Pretentious]

Are you willing to get lynched later down the line if that is proven false or you claim something else?

If I ever claim anything else, power lynch me.

I was serious about true claiming when I was done with the game temporarily.

This happened in the TownMorality game I linked too when I was mislynched Day 1.

[Pretentious]

I'm keeping my vote on if you wont commit

Won’t commit to what?

[Pretentious]

VOTE: pretentious
I changed my mind

Any particular reason why?

The flashwagon spooked me
People coming out of the woodwork to vote tris makes me feel like it's a mislynch

So you go from one possible mislynch to a surfefire mislynch?

[Pretentious]

I don’t commit hard when I’m town, especially Say 1.jingle recently even stated my utility is in my ability to reevaluate situations, so why would I block myself out Day 1 like that

[Pretentious]

Somebody just investigate me.

I’ll probably be night killed anyways

[Pretentious]

How on earth do i know that yoh're a surefire mislynch

There's a lot of red lights going off wrt you
The way _you're handling me and my vote is gross

What do you mean the way I’m handling you?

I’ve been antagonizing and annoyed with you all game. I’m not going to straight up push you, because if you’re scum, I’m gonna feel that heat so hard, and everyone town reads you.

I have to poke at you constantly to make sure that’s in people’s minds after I’m gone.

[Pretentious]

I don’t commit hard when I’m town, especially Say 1.jingle recently even stated my utility is in my ability to reevaluate situations, so why would I block myself out Day 1 like that

You wanna rephrase that, maybe?

What do you mean?

I don’t commit hard when I’m town. When I’m scum I often commit to stances hard, because that’s less scummy, and I’m aware.

When I’m town, I actively try not to think and i just spew. Around Day 3, I generally come off as incredibly obv town.

In hindsight, I will be incredibly obv town here too

[Pretentious]

Oh, especially *day 1.

[Pretentious]

I'm keeping my vote on if you wont commit

I’ve hard commit to your vote being wrong in regards to me. I’ve spent basically all day trying to make you see that.

I don’t know what else to think except that you’re scum, which I hope if I die, people realize it, because i really don’t understand how you can think I’m at all scum here after the day.

[Pretentious]

I feel like I’ve been talking to a wall with you, which is exactly how it feels when I’m arguing with scum meaning everything I’ve done to convince you I am town is incorrect.

[Pretentious]

All for not*

[Pretentious]

Just because you don’t like a specific way I’m going about things, doesn’t make me scum.

In fact, for future games, it probably makes me town.

People tend to think I’m scummier as town, and nobody likes the way I play town.

[Pretentious]

Even though my town game gets mad results, and should have more credibility than my scum game, but I digress.

[Pretentious]

I think I did relatively early this game.

Skitter, you should know games where I’m on of the main mislynch targets, I am most likely to be night killed in those scenarios.

[Pretentious]

AND I’m borderline singlehandedly the reason you stay alive if you’re town.

[Pretentious]

Pret, why does lynchbait you get nked? That seems counterintuitive

Because I generally can obv town it up afterwards. The later the game gets, the more likely I am going to solve it. I’m a late game town powerhouse.

[Pretentious]

Ugh, I don’t even know. I’m not like hard town reading aria or anything.

VOTE: Tris

[Pretentious]

Skitter, is this because I tried to flirt? Emphasis on try. I apologize.

Can you hammer tris, please?

I’m the main reason you don’t die tonight.

[Pretentious]

Skitter’s gonna sweep us all

[Pretentious]

Mine is definitely not. I was L-2. It’s completely fair of me to go on.

You’re pulling an A50, Skitter. Why do you act like you already know it’s a town lynch?

[Pretentious]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

[Pretentious]

Tris’ A50 vote was probably the correct wagon.

That’s strange that Skitter voted the person voting her longest scum read.

[Pretentious]

So you were just trying to get her to claim before mislynch img me...?

[Pretentious]

She was trying not to get the focus from it.

She did that all game. That’s what I do as scum, and I was her scum partner when she was a newbie noob still, and I came up with fake claims for her.

[Pretentious]

I feel like she meant to just try to get Tris to claim before ending up on me.

I truly believe Skitter wanted me to dead as the lynch all day phase.

[Pretentious]

so her saying "ah fl is so good his death will be catastrophic for town woe is he" is a sham?

Yes, but more of a “i can take him out Day 1 here” pride kind of thing.

Like I feel she wanted to take me out Day 1 as scum. If that makes sense.

Not many scum players can say they’ve done that.


And I clearly said you wanted to fish out the claim then end on me.

I don’t believe you hammered on purpose, and you even said that you didn’t.

Now you’re saying it was planned?

YOUVe BEEN THIRD DEGREE BOON’d

[Pretentious]

Well, maybe I’m wrong on you. I guess we’ll see.

I still don’t like that you TMI’d tris wagon

[Pretentious]

Ok and i dont like how you'ew interacting with me rn, your point?

That doesn’t make me scum, that just makes me obnoxious.

[Pretentious]

Or should I say...Pretentious.

[Pretentious]

There’s probably a strongman

It’s obvious who I targeted and he should have known from the very beginning I was gonna target him.

Shall I claim it now or wait

[Pretentious]

Idk, I’m both curious to who it is and scared of the consequences of an early claim.

Yeah, I see benefits and cons of both ways.

If I wait, people are going to think I waited it out, but I could potentially catch something out.

[Pretentious]

Bob is having really bad assumptions.

I’m not a full JK, and that wasn’t a full doctor?

If there’s a strongman that makes this not even town over powered.

I jailed RCEnigma last night.

[Pretentious]

That entire Bob-Mizzy discussion is super surface level, and comes from a place of pushing for a setup case when the fact that we’re gated means anything.

Mizzy also stated that they see a “protection crumb” from someone else which is yet another hard assumption just to throw more wood into the fire.

[Pretentious]

VT x4
Tracker
Indecisive doctor
X-shot Jailkeeper
PR
PR
PR

Scum 1-Shot Strongman
Scum 1-Shot Ninja/Roleblocker
Scum Goon

Something like that is probably what the setup is.

I could see one more Vt Or one less PR.

PR could be like Friendly Neighbor to a Roleblocker. I think both of those, gated, makes sense for a game like this.

[Pretentious]

I really can’t see another protective in this game. At least not doctor

Bodyguard would fit nicely here.

Bodyguard/JK/Doctor/tracker

Is a good combination, and adds WIFOM.

Bodyguard protects through a strongman kill.

The amount of stuff like that actually weakens my role too, because we have the discussion of “what blocked the kill” WIFOM.

It’s a Thrill on a No Kill setup.

[Pretentious]

Was still a full doctor just with a few restrictions. Tris could still protect a person every night. Just not the same two days in a row

And i dont think even not full jk fits in this game. Just reminds me of teh set up were scum had a 2 shot jk and town a doc.

Why would I ever claim JK as scum there?

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum.

If you’re trying to push a scum case on me, don’t push it like I’m a JK because I can give you all my 8 scum wins this year alone, and you’ll see not a single one of them do I claim my actual role.

I am the fake claim god.

[Pretentious]

It was stronger than Non Consecutive, it wasn’t a full doctor, though.

It specifically stops from babysitting on someone, which is one of the best parts of a doctor

[Pretentious]

pret how would your suggestion not be very town sided.

5 and half town pr vs 2 one shot abilities

Just looks your inventing roles to just try and fit yours in

Because that many town roles of that manner arent townsided.

It’s all WIFOM.

I’m not saying I’m correct with the amount of shots, or even the roles.

JOAT makes sense with those 1 shot abilities, and i was gonna being that up but i got distracted.

I know my balance. The games I mod I generally load with a lot of town roles that don’t actually matter too much, but still have synergy. I’m also part of the Normal Review Group.

I agree with you. Though, i don’t think it’s those 2 1 shots.

But i was more just trying to prove that a 1-shot strongman even decimates and brings balance back to them because our roles don’t matter on a night they have a strongman which just means they have to make good use of it.

[Pretentious]

Pret are you claiming town could have 3 goes at stopping a a nk. Seems why to op for town for me

Was still a full doctor just with a few restrictions. Tris could still protect a person every night. Just not the same two days in a row

And i dont think even not full jk fits in this game. Just reminds me of teh set up were scum had a 2 shot jk and town a doc.

Why would I ever claim JK as scum there?

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum.

If you’re trying to push a scum case on me, don’t push it like I’m a JK because I can give you all my 8 scum wins this year alone, and you’ll see not a single one of them do I claim my actual role.

I am the fake claim god.

So you dont claim your real role as scum. That does not preclude you being scum and fake claiming jk

And this is actually another point of mine.

One of your biggest reasons is because you saw a scum JK before.

[Pretentious]

Pret are you claiming town could have 3 goes at stopping a a nk. Seems why to op for town for me

No, I’m claiming town might have zero because of the Strongman.

Rendering both my role and doctor useless in a given night that it is used.

And a bodyguard would go from a relatively weaker role to a pretty good one in that scenario.

[Pretentious]

I’m not scum, so I know for a fact there’s 2+ protectives, and you are going to have to start considering that.

[Pretentious]

We have a confirmed doc. So thats one direct protection.

Are you claiming taht town during one night could have either 3 goes at direct protection or one go at direct and up to two goes at stopping a kill from blocking the player performing it

with town ahve 3 of

doc
roleblocker
rolestopper
bodygaurd
babysitter

I don’t expect any of those to be full.

I’ve played and created games that had 4 of the 5 of those roles you mentioned.

[Pretentious]

so how do you know there are 2 plus protectives

Indecisive doctor flip
And I’m JK.

There are at least 2+ protectives.

[Pretentious]

And you’ve been crumbing Rolestopper or something, which is annoying because that’s even more synergy.

You rolestop the same target as me, and you stop my protection, but rolestopper doesn’t stop kills.

[Pretentious]

Could be babysitter.

If you’re a babysitter, then strongman works well with that too because they can get around you.

[Pretentious]

If you’re rolestopper, i could see town having a limited Roleblocker too which is fun with a JK and a doctor.

[Pretentious]

I’m 2-shot, so after tonight I don’t even have a role. I’m a solid Day 3 lynch.

[Pretentious]

I’ve been totally sincere since early day 1.

If this is what happens when I’m sincere with my role claims, I’m going back to claiming all over the place.

[Pretentious]

So if you are town why do you think scum didnt kill you

Why would scum EVER kill me there? I was literally the main wagon all day.

[Pretentious]

Jk is not dangerous to them when they have a full team to choose from who makes the kill, and I obviously was going to target RCE.

[Pretentious]

If you kill me today, you go into Day 3 with likely 4 town PR’s dead.

And I will not be taking any of the blame for that because I have been here explaining my thoughts, being completely transparent about everything.

[Pretentious]

I think speculating about this only helps scum to be honest.

Why would he speculate about their being a strongman and claim he targeted someone other than Skitter? It doesn’t make sense as either alignment. It makes more sense as just a passing thought inspired by Saladman27 speculating that scum have a ninja.

I was more talking about the doctor flip, but I was playing with this, yes.

The fact that Skitter was even targeted for a night kill makes me think scum had a strongman. I imagine they could have very easily used it on her.

[Pretentious]

Why would you ever assume I’m a full jailkeeper?

[Pretentious]

Even if you thought I was scum JK, why ever assume it’s full.

That’s op.

I didn’t change my claim at all.

[Pretentious]

Saying 2-shot isn’t changing it at all. It’s just letting you know how many shots I have.

I’m still the exact same role.

[Pretentious]

Your lack of being able to setup spec does not mean I changed any claim there.

[Pretentious]

One of Mizzy/Bob have scum in them, Bob’s interaction with me seemed much more genuine than Mizzy’s.

VOTE: Mizzy

Couple that in with the fact he was defending me all day yesterday, but was specifically willing to compromise, this is likely scum pandering.

[Pretentious]

Actually, Bob/Mizzy doesn’t even have to have one scum in it, I don’t think it’s Bob.

And i think Mizzy bringing that “protective crumb” comment up is incredibly scum indicative. That just puts a bullseye for scum to be aware of it, and gives a reason for the discussion to y’all about it further thus outing a role

[Pretentious]

I've read at least one game with a full jk. I've read mutliple games with a decent chunk of the prs ungated. And I took you at face value when someone who has now flipped town and has a reputation for strong play says "if he changes his claim, lynch him and don't look book"

And honstly at this point I'd rather wait until I have other people telling me it's a ridiculous assumption

That’s not me changing claim at all, that’s the difference.

Skitter wouldn’t have seen that as me changing my claim.

[Pretentious]

I never NEVER NEVER in a thousand fucking years claim JK, then suddenly out of nowhere decide to add 2-shot to it as scum. Like wtf.

I’m the guy that claimed a neighborhood with my entire scum team to avoid being lynched and had us trading claims left and right.

I’m the guy that claimed SK in my first post as a legit SK in a 26 player kill heavy game and I won after changing to a modified PGO true cop claim.

I never add on a 2-shot, especially with a flipped TownSkitter who said that. That’s just not something that is changed.

[Pretentious]

For someone who likes to accuse others of surface play I think you are being a bit slow right now

pedit : well unfortunately I can't ask her and if I'm wrong I'll learn it for future games

HARD DISAGREE. LOLOLOLOLOLOL o LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Pretentious]

Giving more clarity to my role is not changing my role.

I didn’t change being a Jailkeeper. Nobody asked me about my modifiers. It was Day 1, everyone knows that’s a no no.

I was also only 2-shot so there was no reason to claim that on Day 1.

[Pretentious]

just for reference what does gated actual entail. Ive seen it spoken about a few times but its not in teh wiki

Anything that stops you from using your role every single night without repercussion.

Whether that mean limited shots or otherwise

[Pretentious]

He’s also using Skitter as a crutch to warrant not having to do anything else.

[Pretentious]

He was way awkward defending me in situations that were technically correct, but he was mainly only giving NAI defenses yesterday, and despite all his defenses throughout the day, he was gonna compromise on my wagon.

Mixed in with the day, Skitter dying, skitter was already a town read, her dying shouldnt immediately change someone’s mind.

Mizzy came in today with a plan for this kind of push, and he talked to Bob in a similar fashion.

[Pretentious]

I also think DDL is scum, and Ben.

RCEnigma I wanna say is town, but I would make sure to deal with him before lylo. I feel like he should see that I’m town by now, and I feel like he could be ScumEnigma who sees that I’m becoming increasingly more obvtown, and can’t really push it as much. He has to keep it near policy levels.

So if I’m wrong on DDL/Ben, I would throw RCE into it.

[Pretentious]

I don’t really have pings from A50 today, and scum him i can’t ever stop having pings.

[Pretentious]

Oh, Saladman is coasting.

Actually, I wanna say one of DDL/Salad is scum. Exactly one of them.

[Pretentious]

I think BEF just has terrible reads.

[Pretentious]

I don’t have an opinion on LUV or Skellen.

Post game, you guys will see how incredibly obv town I am and the fact I even have this much suspicion is flat out ridiculous.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: tris

Out of all your votes why go back to skitter?

@Mortality - Why throw out an RVS vote when you have stuff you don't like from tris and me?

@BEF, LUV - Are those votes RVS and if not are you gonna give me something I can actually respond to or leave them naked?

@Anyone posting a random vote - We've already had some on game discussion, why random it up?

LUV is right, if nothing I can say will convince him then it's better not to waste more thread space for that. Along with the tone of his push on me in general he gets town points for that.

I like Morality's read on tris's posting and her defending me gets me a bit paranoid about her trying to create associatives with me to set up a mislynch, or buddying me - especially cos Morality has already suggested a potential connection between us.

Feeling flip floppy on Vex cos I too would like to hear why BEF unvoted, and especially why they didn't vote somewhere else, but still don't like his response to pressure or early vote.

Vex hasn't made it back to null for me just yet but I have more uncertainty there than VOTE: tris

Did Mizzy end up on Tris end of the day? Because this was some early early game stuff going on, and Mizzy specifically brought me back to focusing on Mizzy vs Tris.

I actually think this is kind of damning

[Pretentious]

One of Mizzy/Bob have scum in them, Bob’s interaction with me seemed much more genuine than Mizzy’s.

VOTE: Mizzy

Couple that in with the fact he was defending me all day yesterday, but was specifically willing to compromise, this is likely scum pandering.

on this i actualy i agree.

Currently i think mizzy is scum in both conditions of you being scum or town

Why aren't you voting me then?

Yeah, Mizzy’s scum

[Pretentious]

I think BEF just has terrible reads.

Look, I'm trying to give you all the time and room you need here in order for me to make an enlightened decision (so as not repeat the mistake of Fogport), BUT .. this here quote is terrible in itself. How can you say that when BEF has both ben and Salad as scum reads (2 people YOU scumread) alongside you. I mean, just because he misreads you (if it's true) he should still be considered to have good reads (2/3 ain't bad, is it?).

I mean, going fully mechanical (my strong suit) your claim is still okay'ish (I know many will disagree, just like they did when I said Bingle was SCUM IN FOGPORT, and that the Scum team only had THREE MEMBERS IN A 17 PLAYERS SETUP). I wish I can totally wipe the memory of that game from my mind. *Sigh*

However, on a tone level, I get the feeling that you are playing us. Something's amiss. Something smells fishy. That's why I am reluctant to take a stance here because I know the wrong decision regarding your alignment will cost us the game, regardless of what it truly is.

Oh, and I also don't like your indecisiveness about RCE. You're supposed to be the reference on reading him. Am I wrong?

It’s not the fact he has those, it’s the fact he specifically has me with them.

[Pretentious]

tris flip changed my position on pret, combined with maybe a bit of anger at feeling fooled by him, and I decided to death tunnel cos I think he is scum, and unless I get players more expeirenced with set up than me who aren't the person I'm trying to lynch who has already been accused of using claims to get out of being lynched giving me a case as to why I'm overreacting I'm sticking to this until one of us is dead


Also, iirc you were voting Pret so now I can definitely do it

VOTE: Pret

This is also the classic finding a reason to state yourself onto a wagon.

Now, if Bob decides to go back there is another vote on my wagon.

Also, your reasonings are flawed because even tris wasn’t voting me.

[Pretentious]

And Skitter doesn’t know how to read me. She’s never really had to, so idk why following her matters here.

At the moment, I think A50 is the player here who can read me the best, followed by RCE (and mainly only because I did recently throw a few wrenches into RCE’s reading me because I needed to shake that off, and I got my scum win from abusing that) which is the main reason I’m not full on scum reading RCE here.

He’s got the Flavor Paranoia syndrome right now.

[Pretentious]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

[Pretentious]

Mechanically if he's not lynched do scum leave jk!pret alive hoping he misses and gets lynched tomorrow? Or is it too risky? I know night spec usually bad but it seems important to the argument here

This is literally the epitome of townFL and this is exactly how scumReact to TownMe in this scenario.

@RCEnigma - This is Musicals.

[Pretentious]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

Such a statement is largly meaningless. As if you are scum you would know if there was. And if your town you would feel liek there is

False.

As town, I KNOW that there is.

Scum don’t just let my wagon dissipate.

[Pretentious]

I have too much potential to solve the game for scum, and most people know I can go from death tunneling someone to hard town reading them and then immediately moving onto the correct solve. I can move back off of the correct solve, but scum know it’s there in my head.

And usually scum don’t know how to handle it, and often times, they do exactly what you’re doing here, Mizzy.

They defend me, but not enough to fully stop a wagon on me. They let paranoia or “skill policy” take over, and willing to compromise, and then they coast and don’t budge.

It’s that unwillingness to reevaluate that paints you as scum here. When I have proven exactly why through setup spec, even if it’s a wrong setup spec, just because a doctor flipped, doesn’t mean there isn’t other stuff. Now, I know for a fact we’re in something like that, so I can clearly see the situations in which we can.

So it’s not even an opinion thing coming for me. It’s straight up fact. There are many situations with that, so that’s yet another flawed reasoning by you “waiting for other people who know setup”

A50’s right here, and he can tell you the exact same thing. RCEnigma, idk his ability to setup spec, but he would see it too.

[Pretentious]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

Well, I’m not.

Lynch me tomorrow if y’all need to.

Not today. Day 3 i can hopefully come up with a solve that even in my death can have us win.

[Pretentious]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

It still allowed him to politically create a tangible vote.

[Pretentious]

No vig kill on skitter, no claim => we probably lynch pret

No vig kill on skitter, claim => a50, pret, claim are very likely scum team, but do we find out too late?

Vig kill on skitter, no claim => we probably lynch pret, get angry later

Vig kill on skitter, claim => either someone stopped scum (lends credence to pret as jk), or scum gambitted and are trying to capitalise (looks bad for a50 for pushing this plan and pret for being 'saved' by the gambit)

Anything I'm missing?

He’s also hard trying to make sure the Vig talk continued

[Pretentious]

And reasoning it in a way to mislynch me no matter what happens with it

[Pretentious]

Which effectively just makes that a role fish

[Pretentious]

At the time I considered pret town enough for now. Now I think he lied about his claim cos I have a doc flip and another protective crumb from someone I have a stronger town read from.

And a second ago he said it was because of the tris flip, but here it was because of the tris flip AND an ‘assumed’ protective crumb, which is yet again, another role fish.

[Pretentious]

Also, Mizzy has been trying to buddy up to me all game, tying us together, which seemed to work based on Bob thinking we could be S/S.

So when I flip town, he gets cleared a bit, and when he flipped (if he did flip) scum, I get mislynched after from association.

[Pretentious]

A50, I was calling you scum majority of the end of day yesterday, what are you talking about

[Pretentious]

I’m the main lynch target. Scum were never killing me there.

Also, I am trying to pocket RCE, but in a town way.

I want him to hard slingshot me

[Pretentious]

@A50 - lets be honest, if i were scum here, it makes it even more likely that there’s a strongman now

I’m so fucked this game. But just mislynch me tomorrow, guys.

[Pretentious]

I've been talking about that crumb since I stated my intent to vote you, it was tris flipping doc, not tris flipping down I cared about and that's what I've been saying the entire time, why are you making it sound like it's some new thing

Why does the tris flip do that?

If anything, I’d think it would help my claim not hurt it

[Pretentious]

A50, I was calling you scum majority of the end of day yesterday, what are you talking about

EXACTLY! Now what changed your stance overnight? Why am I not pinging you anymore? You're no investigative, so that can't be it, and you jailed RCE do that can't be it either. (I think I pinpointed what was making me feel off about your "tone", which turns out to be not exactly your tone)

I already talked about this.

Are you just upset I can hard hyper analyze you?

Anyone who knew me well enough here, which isn’t many, knew I was going to either target Skitter or RCEnigma.

How I was talking end of the day, anyone who knew me, knows I was talking up ScumSkitter because I was trying to draw a Night kill away from her way, so I protected elsewhere.

Skitter night kill meant scum didnt think about what I was doing, which isn’t like you at all.

[Pretentious]

Revenge of the Jingle you did the most in, and when dealing with me, where you would know I am town, you wouldn’t have ever shot Skitter there, bar straight up strongmanning.

[Pretentious]

So my wagon is DDL, Salad, Mizzy?

Is that it? Because that should be enough to prove why that’s a scum motivated wagonz

[Pretentious]

Ok so I'm all for killing FL but the reason I townshielded Bob is his undoing because he kind of sort of openly claimed a protective like really really early.

But I will agree with what he said in the post considering Tris was indecisive. Another protective defeats the purpose of non consecutive targeting.

This is also a reason for strongman and a towncase on me.

Unless I was with a strongman, I guess, but yeah. It’s not like I didn’t notice Bob as a PR.

It’s why Mizzy talking that way set me off a bit too.

[Pretentious]

I know there is a doc. I think there is another protective. I've read a few normal games and my experience of those set up suggests to me that another protective role seems unlikely, and what you are telling me about set up doesn't line up with that experience, but I'll openly admit a small sample size. I initially think you are claiming full jk. I see what to me looks like changing your claim and haven't had anyone other than you tell me I've got it wrong yet.

That is why seeing tris is a doc makes me think you are lying and want to lynch you

I understand why you thought that now in hindsight, but that’s just the difference in the amount of Mafia we’ve played.

I also don’t think Bob is a protective necessarily.

He’s likely a babysitter, which yeah, protects, but also kills, and I think that synergizes really well with a doctor/jk and a gated strongman.

[Pretentious]

BEF is voting you too currently

Hmm, that’s a lot of people actually.

Unvote me for a bit please.

Keep it pseudo.

[Pretentious]

your play has been nothing but slimey self-preservation and destructively clogging up the the thread with gunk. you go today

mizzy stop getting baited by him

How is this any different than any game I play?

[Pretentious]

That’s just me

[Pretentious]

I hate being mislynched more than I hate being lynched as scum.

[Pretentious]

And the fact that people think that if I were scum and lynched today would be a win for them, then they’re sadly mistaken.

LUV can tell you that when I am scum, and I am lynched early ish, Scum win. It’s just how it works. If I were scum here, me getting lynched is a scum victory because of the gamestate I would have created beforehand.

There’s no game state created by me, i am town.

[Pretentious]

i've played with town-you and your play is incisive. skitter also said you can be a high value town player.

you're not doing either of that in this thread.

I have had the most high value town play this game.

For instance, I am the only one who sees that I am town apparently. Already much stronger than anyone else.

[Pretentious]

And that’s interesting that you say that, because I literally just had Jingle, you know, Jingle, like the best mechanical player on site rn, literally say in a Scum PT whilst talking about me, that my utility is in my ability to reevaluate, not be incisive, as you say, i have incorrect reads all the time, but that’s not how I play the game, off reads. I read the gamestate. And try to figure out why I’m town reading someone, why I’m scum reading someone.

Sometimes scum could be playing in a way to get me to scum read another player, and i can figure out that player is town because of that.

[Pretentious]

However, I see your point in the incisive comment, I am incisive, but I don’t think that I’m not being incisive here.

I feel I’ve done by far the most analysis on this game.

You lot can’t see past a surface level, though, so you aren’t looking into it.

Post game, everyone will see I had by far the most analytical posts in this game

[Pretentious]

Like, I am the town leader right now, I’m just dealing with a coup.

[Pretentious]

LUV can tell you that when I am scum, and I am lynched early ish, Scum win. It’s just how it works. If I were scum here, me getting lynched is a scum victory because of the gamestate I would have created beforehand.

I have had the most high value town play this game.

For instance, I am the only one who sees that I am town apparently. Already much stronger than anyone else.

you are deluded if you think town falls for this

I am town, so I know for a damn fact that it is true.

[Pretentious]

You just have a crappy tunnel and a surface level mind if your town, or are scum coasting and found a reason not to have to do anything but tunnel.

[Pretentious]

I would also be okay lynching DDL, even though I think there’s a decent chance he’s just hard surface level

[Pretentious]

And as town, hindsight you will see that my Mizzy analysis was high value. You will see my A50 was high value. My RCEnigma was extremely high value. My Ben case yesterday was high value. And my Bob y’all was high value.

All things you haven’t contributed at all.