Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

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robb. whats the difference between vork and flub?

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Tchill, VT
Azuresky, VT (dead)
Flub, VT (hasnt done any scum hunting this game)
Vorkuta, VT (dead)
flavor Leaf, VT (dead)
Luca, VT (town cleared by PM AND Skitter)
PM, Friendly neighbor (didnt pay attention to their n1 target d2)
Havo, Motion detector (targeted the nk and ???)
nomnomnom, 1-shot Jailkeeper (dead)
Skitter, JOAT 1-shot Loyal visitor 1-shot Vanilla Cop (absolutely concrete crumbs)
Robb- ??? (refuses to claim)

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robb. whats the difference between vork and flub?

What do you mean?

i mean i think both slots were pretty similar and you havent commented on flub much at all. obviously once pressure built up vork gave more content but b4 pressure was applied i think they were practically the same. Vork got pushed. Why vork instead of flub?

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I need to more closely look into rob vs azure

absolutely nothing came of this statement.

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Super interested in what pmysterious is going to have for reads

no follow up on this.

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somebody check flubs iso and tell me flub has tried to catch scum.

all they did was give a reason for !town Vork.

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i've been keeping the pressure on you so you can contribute something of value, so what you call a one trick pony, I call pressuring a lurker who had a scummy play day one, scummy vote day 1, and isn't doing anything to produce game content to analyze.

the only reason i chose you over the others is you tried to shade me for stating the obvious. Something that i don't think I have seen anyone disagree with. I don't see town motivation for that.

You are most likely scum imo, worse case I am wrong and you are just a useless turd who doesn't care about finding scum.

Who doesn't care about playing to their win condition. Either way I don't give a shit anymore.

At least 5 people who haven't contributed anything useful. We have 2/3 scum so that means there are townies out there who are in my opinion, playing against their win condition.

robb explain in detail why flub doesnt fall underneath this description.

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The thing with flubber is that he looked exactly like this in all the games i've played with town!him

can i ask robb something?

or do you just want me to quit trying to figure this game out altogether.

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Skitter, JOAT 1-shot Loyal visitor 1-shot Vanilla Cop (absolutely concrete crumbs)

LOYAL vanilla cop

SORRY

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if flubb/luca/pm/skitter is town then it leaves me/havo/robb

thats obviously what skitter is leaning towards here.

i apologize for not being too convinced of that yet.

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robb explain in detail why flub doesnt fall underneath this description.

He does. Glad you read my day 2 posts.

just making sure.

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i seen those. p[ushing some1 as a low poster doesnt mean you think theyre scum.

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ahh there it is.

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everyone ive seen play like flub has flips scum.

im more annoyed that this probably is a setup that allows for over 1/3 ppl to be conftown than anything.

im obviously gonna be annoyed at any idea that im scum.

im annoyed that azure and vork played how they did.

im really annoyed that i got pushed harder as Scum for a reasonable train of thought on the PM and Vork situation, even when i never called pm scum.

I could continue if youd like.

lets see havo's n2 action and ill tell you my reads.

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i think the scum team is robb and flubb. if theres a 3rd itd probable be havo.

im of the mind luca/pm is conftonw.

skitter is prob town.

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If skitter is town. Then you are town and pm is town.

That means havo is scum and Tchill is probably scum and if we have 3, then flubber would be the 3rd

id like to lynch flub.

robb and havo are the least likely to be on a team together out of robb/flub/havo.

flub is practicallly confscum here.

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im more annoyed that this probably is a setup that allows for over 1/3 ppl to be conftown than anything.

Ngl i think this is a scummy reaction to the situation

think what you like. ive made it known that this site panders to town wway too much in setups.

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I also agree with unvoting. Robb could be scum but I think Havo/Tchill/Flubs is where we should lynch today.

its robb/flub

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i always thought pm and luca were conftown but i think the pm/vork situation was just pure bad play by both players and i wanted to see if anyone would take that train of thought and run with it.

ppl got so defensive so fast when i asked a legit question. I appreciate everyone shutting that whole idea down for me.

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I also agree with unvoting. Robb could be scum but I think Havo/Tchill/Flubs is where we should lynch today.

That's p much where i'm at

I think it's probably havo/tchill, with robb/flubb as a third if there are three scums

I really hate how both of them are shading pm while being very careful not to actually call them scum

And havo is hard-townreading tchill here because ...

And i think tchill's frustration last night comes from being backed into a corner, this prob doesnt look very winnable from his pov

its because i didnt think pm was actually scum, crazy ik.

i think pm and vork have shown with their play theyre capable of handling that n1 action as terribly as they did.

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Not to mention Tchill was hard-townreading PM at the end of D2.

I still am

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I think we missed a chance to confirm cuz idk if the mod would count that with the misspell

In that case, I wouldn't say it's a hard town read, but a soft town read. Still, he did think I was Town to an extent, only to switch it the next game day. Very strange.

I mean i think he's been backed in a corner, having like a bajillion people conftown kinda makes endgame difficult for scum

VOTE: flubbernugget

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having a bajillion ppl conftown in a possible lylo defeats the purpose of the game as scum or as town.

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luca has to be town due to his 180 on pm.

pm has to be town due to luca's 180 on pm.

skitter is probably town due to the concrete solid crumbs.

havo is prob town due to his crumb.

i wanted to see who'd jump on pm and call them scum for what i was saying. I very much believe pm has the ability to handle that vork situation that poorly as town.

im not sure if theres anything else for me to answer.

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doesnt make a lot of since for scum tchill to go after the 3 conftown muskateers then whine and moan about setup and lastly push robb and flubb.

the obv scum play here would be to push robb and flubb into the ground from the GET GO.

try to warm up to luca and pm. talk about how great it is town has all this info then i push flub and robb hard without ever FOS'ing the 3 conftownies.

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i could argue conftowns make the game easier for scum.

all you gotta do is manipulate the conftowns. nobody else.

when theres not conftowns youre manipulating the group in general.

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pm push wasnt a push.

i tr'd pm as newb town before her claim

the 180 by luca is a real reason to read luca and pm town anyway.

i dont have a real reason to TR skitter.

ive gotten townie vibes from havo the whole game.

ive said flub is prob scum the whole game.

youre just robb.

ive got plenty of reasons.

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i wanted to see who'd jump on pm and call them scum for what i was saying. I very much believe pm has the ability to handle that vork situation that poorly as town.

I mean from my pov it looms like you were seeing if you could shade pm enough to make people doubt their claim and put them in the lynch pool, but sure

well change your perspective on the situation.

youve seen how calculated I am as scum.

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Nobody is jumping on shading a conftown LMAO

thank you for presenting the case as to why i am town.

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How do you expect people to hop on shading a conftown when the site panders to town by your own admission holy shit

i wanted to see if anyone would.

if pm is gonna ignore how vork played on d2 then its possible another slip up occurs.

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so skitter is hard TR'ing Flub because of meta?

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the issue with my town play is i expect players to assume my scum play is actually decent.

the issue with the site is setups and players like flub still being in games this late.

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so skitter is hard TR'ing Flub because of meta?

Harder than you, that's for sure

what has flub done this game to find scum more so than I?

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you know what scums number one priority is. "towning it up"

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did havo say PM was scum for sure and push the hell out of pm?

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I'm actually in a very specific positon where it's more important for me to look town than it is for scum to do so and if you had a problem with that you would have said something when I first brought it up (or maybe the second time too)

a very specific position after poor to low activity on days 1 and 2.

quite convenient.

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I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

Of course he isn’t going to straight up call him scum but havo was on board with your push.

no he wasnt. he didnt push pm.

nobody pushed pm. shit.

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havo is town.

flub is scum.

robb is scum.

if this is the case and yall decide to lynch me today you can still affor to lynch flub tomorrow.

if the team is flub/robb/skitter the game is over.

i dont think theres a world where its havo/robb/flub

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havo is town.

flub is scum.

robb is scum.

if this is the case and yall decide to lynch me today you can still affor to lynch flub tomorrow.

if the team is flub/robb/skitter the game is over.

i dont think theres a world where its havo/robb/flub

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yes you caught havo/tchill on what is a gross misplay of scum.

pat yourself on the back robb.

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yes you caught havo/tchill on what is a gross misplay of scum.

pat yourself on the back robb.

The first time I was ever scum was offsite and this was pretty close to the exact post i made when i was called out

it doesnt matter. this game is won on my town flip unless its skitter/flub/robb

then at least skitter played well.

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robb has zero respect for my scum game.

pretty dissapointed in skitter if she's town. i literally just played scum with her.

luca is gonna jump on my wagon when he reads the thread and i assume pm will follow.

id feel bad for the scum team with how terribly town sided this is but since flub is scum its what he deserves.

i cant be too mad about robb he's scum. played well enough too. he has a right to be annoyed with the setup.

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Have fun on “date night”

Which I totally don’t believe btw. You’re ignoring questions you clearly can’t provide answers for so you go lurk some more and cast baseless accusations.

Town havo plays better than this.

geez. be careful shading irl stuff buddy...

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ok

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I’ve said my piece. I’m content with this game.

Just waiting now to see now who Luca, PM and Skitter want to vote.

So just going to sheep the actual townies? lol

If you are town, skitter or pm is fake. Why are you willing to sheep them both?

VOTE: havo

No way this flips town.

me and flub cross voted in a possible lylo (i dont think its lylo)

so explain why youd like to lynch havo today?

its so when he flips town theres still a mislynch available on tchill.

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a tchill town flip means robb has to push havo/flubb as scum and it rules out havo/tchill which does imo make havo less likely to be scum.

because havo/robb has been practically ruled out.

you'd then push havo as the 1st lynch.

a havo town flip doesnt make tchilll any less likely to be scum.

of course you'd have to present the idea that im scum with flub. youd just yell ive distanced from flub the entire game.

its much better for scum if havo is lynched instead of me today since im a much better mislynch candidate.

obviously robb had not thought this far ahead because his tune didnt change until i pointed out my town flip pretty much auto wins this game for town.

he immediately went from tchill/havo scum team to one is pocketing the other.

he realized he has to be able to mislynch one of us after the other flips town.

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havo is town.

flub is scum.

robb is scum.

if this is the case and yall decide to lynch me today you can still affor to lynch flub tomorrow.

if the team is flub/robb/skitter the game is over.

i dont think theres a world where its havo/robb/flub

Unless he’s buddying havo.

That could be I guess

yes you caught havo/tchill on what is a gross misplay of scum.

pat yourself on the back robb.

The first time I was ever scum was offsite and this was pretty close to the exact post i made when i was called out

it doesnt matter. this game is won on my town flip unless its skitter/flub/robb

then at least skitter played well.

Or you/Tchill are scum together

One is scum and pocketing the other

I’m not frustrated actually. My job is easier now cause I know you guys can’t both be town.

first time robb mentions that tchill/havo doesnt have to be the team.

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Or you/Tchill are scum together

One is scum and pocketing the other

I’m not frustrated actually.

My job is easier now cause I know you guys can’t both be town

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hes implying that one of us can be town.

which of course explains the eventual town flip from me or havo.

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why dont you lynch me instead?

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do you think its havo/flub or havo/tchill?

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if its havo/tchill just lynch me today.

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man i guess robb got busy irl...

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ok lynch me 1st.

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you were pretty hard on me as scum for quite a while.

a havo town flip still allows you to go after tchill mislynch.

a tchill town flip does a lot of damage in going after a havo mislynch.

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if havo flips town who's scum robb?

i guess flubb is right?

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skitter/flub/tchill

is that in order of most likely scum after a havo town flip?

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why isnt skitter conftown to you robb? 1st time ive heard of skitter suspicion from you.

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i dont see it as that.

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now lynch me

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ok lynch me 1st.

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whats the scum motivation for being on havos scum team and demanding that im lynched 1st?

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i fail to see the reason youre not lynching me 1st other than...

a tchill mislynch is achievable after a havo mislynch.

a havo mislynch is much more difficult after a tchill town flip.

if im wrong then lynch me 1st.

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i dont see it as that.

So you are partners. Good to know

well you've proven my point by refusing to vote someone you know is scum. thx robb.

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then lynch me 1st.

pretty shitty scum defense plan when i flip town.

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whats the scum motivation for being on havos scum team and demanding that im lynched 1st?

This is actually the 2nd time you’ve used this sort of defense.

Earlier you did it after your push on PM. You said as scum it would be stupid to do that.

See you can’t give yourself town credit for things like that. You can’t do things and then say “see I must be town cause scum would never do that”.

Others have to give you that towncred.

I have to make that decision
Skitter, Luca,pm, flubber, havo (whoever is town) have to say that about you.

Declaring it yourself just makes it look like it was part of your plan

i expect the ppl i play with to be able to come to this conclusion but obviously i cant count on that.

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You know what, I actually think Flubs is the most likely of anyone to flip scum right now. Nothing about his iso makes me feel like he’s Town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I’m happy enough to Lynch any of these three but I think this is my slight preference.

im genuinely shocked.

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I’m starting to feel like one of Tchill/Havo are scum and one is successfully pocketing the other.

I’ve seen just how far off the mark Town Tchill can be

so I’m leaning on Havo being slightly more likely as scum atm. Reading back I was starting to get some thoughts of a Tchill/Skitter scumteam as well. Regarding Flubs, it’s a toss of a coin which way he flips. Can’t get a concrete read on him at all.

you better pull up a chair to post game luca.

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The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

This means you know there's two scum?

me and you cross voted for a long time and ppl are content voting elsewhere.

seems like everyone thinks there are only 2 scum.

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Is it too much to expect havo and Tchill to actually provide something more than “I can read him”?

I want Tchill to explain what things havo have done THIS GAME that warrants such a strong town read.

I’d love the same from Havo about Tchill


Lastly. @tchill - you were basically hard defending me yesterday, I’d even say you were trying to buddy me, what caused the 180?

ik youre scum.

the most proof i have is once i pointed out that my town flip wins the game you started working on flipping havo 1st and then theorizing me and havo are pocketing each other instead of being teammates.

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Wait. You don’t town read Tchill? According to him he’s done stuff that scum wouldn’t do. So we should town read him for it.

That's based on his word alone, and no one else's. It's a fallacy that I've seen in a recent game used by Rick Dawson. He claimed he had a different scum game than what he was playing, only to be Mafia the entire time.

have you ever been able to tr someone because their play made no sense from a scum perspective?

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I personally would like me or flub to be the lynch today and if im the lynch then lynch flub the next day phase.

then lynch robb the day phase after that.

idc if im lynched anymore. should win town the game.

flubb scum flip wins town the game also.

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No point in arguing with you anymore.

instead of being teammates.

Except I’m working under the assumption you’re teammates. There’s a chance you’re not but the evidence suggests you are.

Still lying i see

hey man stop talking to me if you like.

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instead of being teammates.

Except I’m working under the assumption you’re teammates.

There’s a chance you’re not

but the evidence suggests you are.

Still lying i see

I’ve actually you/havo as a team

I already pointed this out to you before so the fact you haven’t revised your statement shows very clearly what alignment you are.

best of both worlds.

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lynch me 1st robb.

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VOTE: robbvna

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now vote me.

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That's...unexpected

really towning it up after that vote on you.

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Wait. You don’t town read Tchill? According to him he’s done stuff that scum wouldn’t do. So we should town read him for it.

missing the point.

i havent done stuff scum wouldnt do.

ive done stuff that a competent scum player wouldnt do.

basically, im too good at scum to be scum this game.

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now vote me.

No

if youre not gonna change your vote after i show you im willing to vote you then your argument that im not willing to change my vote is traaaaaaash. cant use my own logic against me when im not the one fighting against it.

VOTE: flubb

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cus hes town.

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My Dudes.

MD motion detector.

i believe the claim.

i believe skitters claim too.

robb however is shading the claims.

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motion detector was town aligned 4/5 games luca looked up.

havo has an 80 percent chance to be town here.

only reason i believe skitter is town is because his claim and crumbs.

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Flicking through loads of mini normals the Motion Detector was Town aligned about three or fours times and aligned with Mafia once, going back to Mini 1999.

3/4 is 75 percent chance havo is town.

4/5 is 80 percent chance havo is town.

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robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

y not?

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robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

y not?

4 out of 9 townies are PRs.

2 scum with good PRs.

doesnt seem crazy to me.

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It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

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It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Why is this the thing that makes you peace out ???

its obvious that yall are talking yourself into a tchill lynch today and a havo lynch the next day phase no matter what i flip.

this game isnt worth my effort anymore. i thought a town tchill flip would mean something but now i doubt that it does so i'll just be there post game to laugh at everyone no big deal.

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Ok i think i still want tchill today

And then sort out robb/havo/flubb tom

you were asking good questions to robb on catch up.

severely disappointed in your play here after what i seen from you in our scum game.

especially since you know how meticulous i play as scum.

theres no way you can see me shading 3 conftownies then pushing robb/flubb. Thats such a dumb strategy for scum here.

you act like i cant think this setup is stupid when its gotten town in this great situation if im town. setup is too townsided. its dumb to have 40 percent of the game cleared at any time from an objective pov.

you act like flub has to be town based on meta.

when vork compared you to FL i expected youd have a good town game. maybe this is just one of those games your off.

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That’s why I am completely ok with me or Tchill being the lynch today. Because when either of us flip town it seals scums fate.

I mean if there's 2 scum, sure
But if there's 3 and you're both town this just loses us the game.
This feels like either knowing that there's 2 or knowing that a tchill/havo flip wont end the game

robb has had a vote sitting on havo. the only other vote not crossvoted (flubb/Tchill)

if the scum team had 3 ppl on it that didnt include havo or robb (skitter/tchill/flubb) this game would be over.

if the scum team had 3 ppl on it that didnt include flub or tchill (skitter/havo/robb) this game would be over.

it is very likely we are only dealing with a scum team of 2, especially if you are town skitter. The only way a scum team of 3 can exist is if skitter is scum, robb is bussing havo (doubt) or flub/tchill is bussing flub/tchill (not happening)

a tchill town flip points to robb/flubb robb will in this case cast doubt between havo and skitters claim. eventually pushing havo/flub because this falls in line with skitter PR'ing Luca.

a havo town flip means robb will push tchill/flubb. He says he'll push skitter. Thats bullshit. Robb cant win as scum on that play.

tchill is objectively scummier than havo and tchill is the only strong candidate to be scummates with havo.

havo needs to flip 1st if scum win today.

if tchill flips 1st, scum have to be able to sell town on the fact that havo pocketed tchill that hard.

this is literally what the game comes down to...

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did flubb EVER explain why he ever had me as a DO NOT LYNCH?

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I have to figure out the skitter/pm situation, which means it’s most likely skitter.

How the fuck do you have me or pm as scum here ?

If havo is town, you or pm is scum. It can’t be pm in any scenario. So it’s you

i got more shit for saying Vork and PM's play regarding PM's n1 action was funky than robb got for acting like skitter fake crumbed their role, targets and results.

Robb would believe skitter is a scum mastermind if havo flips town.

robb didnt provide who's scum with skitter though.

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You know what, I actually think Flubs is the most likely of anyone to flip scum right now.

Nothing about his iso makes me feel like he’s Town

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I’m happy enough to Lynch any of these three but I think this is my slight preference.

it actually looks like luca is the only player reading what tchill/havo and flubb have brought to the table in comparison to the other 2.

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There aren’t 4 town PRs this game

I provided links to 3 games that support that. Feel free to find an 11P with 4 PRs

from a PR perspective alone...

friendly neighbor
1 shot JK
motion detector

makes more sense in a balanced setup than

friendly neighbor
1 shot jk
1shot loyal VT cop and 1shot loyal visitor

if pm were to message skitter n1 and then skitter cleared 2 others thats a total of 4 out of 5 possible townies cleared d3 (given clears or PR's dont get nk'd or lynched) which is a 66 percent chance town win.

so robb should be pushing skitter here, not havo, if his issue is the claims and PR's.

I believe motion detector is looked at as bringing down towns "power" given the confusion it may cause with 3 other PRs.

pair that with the fact that one PR is 1 shot and you have a completely (justifiable from the mods perspective) setup.

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Also luca is conftown to me
If he says pm is conftown to him why would i not be believing that here ?

If luca's trying to pull some shitty gambit and we lose because of it then i'll blame him for the loss but otherwise i see no reason not to believe him rn

Skitter, who was your second investigation?

I'm a joat, my second shot was a loyal visitor, which i used on fl last night.

I dont exactly have any useful information on the outcome of that tho

for skitter to fake an invest and crumb it on luca n1 then to have a friendly neighbor later conftown n2 luca is just incredible luck if skitter is scum. (luca and PM are conftown due to how luca's PM read changed from d2 to d3)

now that i think about it skitter should never be pushed as scum here. this is a situation where if skitter is scum she played well enough to deserve the win then got lucky enough to make it impossible for her to lose.

the fact that you'd even provide a scenario where skitter is scum is a scum claim in itself.

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1 shot jk could be a neg utility pretty easily.

motion detector could cause more confusion than its worth.

theres 4 prs. sheesh.

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did flubb EVER explain why he ever had me as a DO NOT LYNCH?

Motherfucker YES

then refresh our memory.

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Tchill has more patience than me to repeat himself over and over and it's starting to affect luca's gut

trust me i have no idea how to effect luca in ways id like. i promise that.

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For those following at home

Tchill freaked out during massclaim, tried to shade a conftown, than made a TRANSPARENT ass lie to cover himself that robb ripped into for about three pages

Havo slipped knowledge of there being two scum while having a power that makes perfect sense for a scum pair given the other pr claims

And I'm at L1 for lurking

PM and vorks play is objectively weird regarding pms n1 action.

What was the lie?

robb voted outside of tchill/flubb. if havo "slipped" on his knowledge what do you call what robb did voting outside the crossvote in a potential lylo scenario? seems to me most ppl think there's only 2 scum. i've went into detail and explained why theres only 2 scum.

do you disagree with my setup theory?

you're at L! for not bringing anything to the game. besides, you're supposed to be "towning it up" and you just admitted you're still lurking.

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Havo I just essentially proved from your POV skitter is scum. Why not react to that?

i just proved skitter cant be scum.

and i broke down why the setup makes sense.

and i broke down why you hsould be more sus of skitter than havo regarding setup.

Why not react to that?

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so robb should be pushing skitter here, not havo, if his issue is the claims and PR's.

When I look at the play of both players, skitter is hands down townier than havo.

"setup setup setup!!!! one has to be scum"

"well play says havo is scummier" when setup theory says skitter would be the less believable role.

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Why don’t You and Tchill want to convince people to vote me?

Why take the easy route?

why are you even suggesting others change their vote when you refuse to move your vote you

giant hypocrite

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so flubb is just hoping his teammate, that actually plays the game, saves him

while flubbs teammate demands we vote him instead of flubb. this is adooooraaaable. very cute.

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I guess if there's 2 scum I can get lynched today and then you can all lynch tchill/havo the next two days

But I really dont trust that happening at this point

why not? if you flip green one of me or havo is autolynched.

robb is already pushing both of us, as a team or as pocketing the other, he keeps changing it.

luca voted me and havo b4 voting you.

pm voted me.

skitter would rather me be lynched today.

your green flip is the best way to catch tchill/havo scum 4 good (or one of tchill/havo scum, because we could be pocketing one another but we could be scum together also - ToxicTunneler247)

you're not gonna flip green though, thats your issue with it.

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Why not react to that?

Because just cause you say there is only one possibility, doesn’t mean you’re right. Both of those are equally possible setups. Based on gameplay, havo clearly is scum

ok so are we sticking with gameplay or setup or are we pulling a little from both that fits your convenient needs?

because your basis for one of skitter/havo being scum is the setup.

based on the setup skitter should be the one in question. please explain why i'm wrong here. why a MD is more likely to be the scum, or fake claim, than the role that can provide 2 conftown players.

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flub cant even play enough to "town it up" when he acts like thats all he has to do lol. dude literally said himself he's lurked and that why he's L-1.

he's lucky skitter thinks he's town.

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robb do you think flubb is scum? he hasnt done much at all to catch scum. even less than vork. if one of skitter/havo is scum why cant flubb be a possible teammate?

[Tchill13]

robb do you think flubb is scum? he hasnt done much at all to catch scum. even less than vork. if one of skitter/havo is scum why cant flubb be a possible teammate?

No. I think you/havo are scum. I considered everyone but your and his play today refusing to explain your reads really showed me that you aren’t trying to solve the game.

hmm thats crazy. if havo flips town then skitter is scum right?

skitter has TR'd flubb based on meta alone.

so you refuse to even suggest a possible skitter/flubb team. (im using your logic here)

robb is scum with flubb. EZ PZ GG guys. this isnt hard.

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did flubb EVER explain why he ever had me as a DO NOT LYNCH?

Motherfucker YES

then refresh our memory.

Stop babbling for babbling's sake and do your fucking homework

It was you who asked in the first place but good work showing us you're just making noise for its own sake

whats just noise and what do you disagree with?

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i want some actual interaction flubb.

[Tchill13]

Not lynching Luca or Tchill today

I know I'm town. So I really just need one more person I'm comfortable not lynching to start thinking about this

why wouldnt you lynch me???

I've town read you to some extent for most of the game and i cant say that about most other players

This isn't obvious?

this isnt an explanation as to why you TR'd me.

just a statement that you have.

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I don't see an issue with those tchill votes

Not lynching Luca or Tchill today

I know I'm town. So I really just need one more person I'm comfortable not lynching to start thinking about this

what changed in between these 2 posts?

[Tchill13]

Posts not votes

nevermind.

[Tchill13]

hmm thats crazy. if havo flips town then skitter is scum right?

skitter has TR'd flubb based on meta alone.

so you refuse to even suggest a possible skitter/flubb team. (im using your logic here)

I was actually thinking skitter/Luca first and then skitter/flubber but once you and havo exposes yourself as scum, I knew those scenarios are less likely.

I have seriously considered every possible pairing

. I’m playing to win. If you want me to believe you’re town, please tell me why the fuck are you not?

never shared that with the class.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

I think Robb made a good point about sorting the PR’s, and it doesn’t feel great being on a wagon with both of my other scumreads.

Busy today, will be back later.

there's the luca ik

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this isnt an explanation as to why you TR'd me

Pretty sure you don’t get to ask him to explain, when you have refused to explain your havo town read.

“He crumbed” isn’t an explanation

big brother sticking up for the scummate that doesnt know to play the game.

you 2 are just the sweetest.

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You lied saying your push on PM was to see who would follow you. And then you town read the person that followed you. Again, this was not a small thing that happened. It was discussed AT LENGTH.

I don't see what's slipping about voting outside a cross esp. if he hits another scum.

I disagree with your theory. Probability only works with repetition. We're playing one game and only one game so it's a crock of shit to talk about how likely a role is. Also robb pointed out you're cherry picking your numbers anyway so that argument can get double fucked.

And no, I'm not *still* lurking and it's self evident

never seen havo call pm scum

i was just saying obv robb doesnt think that theres 3 scum or hed vote in the cross vote. ever give thought that itd also be ok if robb was actually scum?

so meta is a crock of shit too since we're only playing one game? which means skitter has no good reason to tr you.

not very evident. youve interacted with 2 posts. keep going though.

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im just here for flubb at this point.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

I think Robb made a good point about sorting the PR’s, and it doesn’t feel great being on a wagon with both of my other scumreads.

Busy today, will be back later.

you realize skitter crumbing the fakeclaim, crumbing the luca invest, crumbing the luca result then PM also town clearing luca...

is a 1 in 1000 play for scum if skitter is scum correct?

idk how you'd even begin to doubt skitter's claim when you realize that.

lynch flubb, lynch robb then lynch skitter on the off chance the game isnt over.

skitter's only defense of flubb is meta.

flub can be scum here with skitter or robb.

you said it yourself flub's iso has nothing town in it.

[Tchill13]

fluuuuuuuub

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*sigh* I'll have to dig through posts later

I just said I can see town voting outside of a cross and you're doing the repetition thing again

Meta has no bearing on probablility...like what

I'm posting a LOT more than I was the previous day phases and I'd love to see you contort what an interaction looks like to you to say I've only done it twice

but you can see scum voting outside of a cross also correct?

meta goes against the logic of "one game" so for you to rule setup spec out entirely on that premise but to accept meta as any excuse for anything is shit. like im trying to have a convo with you regarding setup that you just shut down entirely.

its whats in the posts not the post themselves. its not hard to post a LOT more than you have up until now. im not impressed.

i think its obvious PM and Luca are locktwon.

how would you react to a havo town flip?

how would you react to a tchill town flip?

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I guess if there's 2 scum I can get lynched today and then you can all lynch tchill/havo the next two days

But I really dont trust that happening at this point

why not? if you flip green one of me or havo is autolynched.

robb is already pushing both of us, as a team or as pocketing the other, he keeps changing it.

luca voted me and havo b4 voting you.

pm voted me.

skitter would rather me be lynched today.

your green flip is the best way to catch tchill/havo scum 4 good (or one of tchill/havo scum, because we could be pocketing one another but we could be scum together also - ToxicTunneler247)

you're not gonna flip green though, thats your issue with it.

also please respond to this.

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oh well i tried.

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Havo didn’t call pm scum but he absolutely backed off and was considering him as scum.

Why?

Cause tchill’s “push”.

You got somebody to slip yet you ignore it when you wanted somebody to slip.

Thank you for saving me the time

id like you to answer your own questions

if your capable.

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My issue is that too many people on this site like to make hero plays so it really doesn't matter what logic you lay out cuz glory is going to overshadow it anyway

do you or do you not believe that your town flip leads to an auto lynch of either me or havo?

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you just flat out refuse to entertain the hypothetical town of me or havo flips? thats shortsighted.

you act as if im not posting credible points. youre just refusing to ... think. like at all.

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Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

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there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

luca is still townie

flub needs to be invest or vigged.

luca or Vork is my best bet at scum on the d1 wagon.

Luca i think was the towniest vote on the wagon, i dont get why you're scumreading him
I agree that vork's interactions with the wagon were p bad. And he keeps saying i dislike his vote which i've repeatedly said is *not* what i'm pushing him for

i don't even think i've seen you do this as replacing in either, as either alignment

i'm still happy with my vork vote, i think

fl is a great invest target imo

i'm v confident luca is town
pm probably is too

i dislike tchill the most rn

i don't have good reads on havo or robb. i have no idea how to read robb and i honestly don't remember most of what havo's said this game

flubb's prob town too

ok i guess i'll claim now

i'm a joat
1s loyal vanilla cop - on luca n1; i got back vanilla townie
1s loyal visitor - on fl last night

indeed.
i made sure to make it pretty obvious in hindsight just in case something happened to me

and i have no fucking idea what the point of a loyal visitor is

for anyone thinking "clearing up the PR's" is a good idea.

it is laughable to accuse skitter of fake claiming.

so if you're voting havo it better be because you actually think he's scum @luca.

if you think flub is scummier please go back to flub.

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id like to know why luca, pm and robb TR flub independent of the rest of the game.

id also like to know if anyone is confident ion saying robb is either alignment.

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Tchill, I am currently townreading Skitter and that wouldn’t automatically change upon a Havo townflip, as I think 4 pr’s is a possibility. I don’t think it’s impossible that she is some sort of scumcop who was able to detect that I’m vanilla, but there are more likely scenarios atm.

I think Havo is a good Lynch because he has been scummy this game; his reads, stances and pushes don’t add up. I don’t get his faith in his Tchill read and don’t see the progression there from when he had you down as null. Similarly I don’t see the progression on his Robb read either, and I can hardly relate to anything he’s said all game. The fact we have an unusually high number of Pr claims means he is slightly more likely to slip scum at this stage.

as long as robb or flub is lynched after havo flips town idc.

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I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

Then that probably means they both are scum. If we can't explain why they're town, then they probably aren't town to begin with. We need to choose one, but then we can lynch the other the following day, or maybe Havo if we so choose.

this wins robb and flub the game.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

I think this is the best bet for now. In the last game I played with Tchill he talked of how he’d previously

used his familiarity of playing with Flavor to manipulate him and win against him as scum

. This not only explains the night kill but also means he could be doing the same to Havo. It really feels as though Tchill has made up reasons to TR Havo and it seems out of character for him.

I believe this is L-1

this requires keeping flavor... ALIVE.

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lol. when i flip town if yall lynch havo yall lost the game.

cant wait to talk to luca post game. dude is so predictable.

PM isnt worth the time or the breath. has done nothing this game outside of their role.

I expected more from skitter.

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robb hammer me.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

I think this is the best bet for now. In the last game I played with Tchill he talked of how he’d previously used his familiarity of playing with Flavor to manipulate him and win against him as scum. This not only explains the night kill but also means he could be doing the same to Havo. It really feels as though Tchill has made up reasons to TR Havo and it seems out of character for him.

I believe this is L-1

VOTE: tchill

my town flip shooouuuld win town the game here anyway.

lynch flub tomorrow.

flub and robb is the team.

yall are idiots. bye.

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I was thinking if there is a traitor then it could be Tchill/Havo/Skitter.

This would explain Tchill and Havo’s weird behavior, as they have worked each other out and are awkwardly coordinating their efforts without daychat. 3 scum including Motion detector + scum rolecop vs two town pr’s wouldn’t seem balanced though, although maybe Havo just completely invented his role.

this is prime luca.

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Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

A two shot cop, friendly neighbor paired against a two man scum team w/ a motion detector sounds like a good setup to me

left out the 1 shot JK.

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My biggest fear is I’m wrong about Tchill and/or havo and we lose because they were too stubborn
M

this is prime robb.

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i'll probably have to stop playing with luca. 2nd game in a row he's refused to TR me when I've naileed at least one scum.

win/win for me. if town wins its because I was right. If town loses then Luca loses.

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Gg all

Tchill i was slightly worried you'd pick up on the fact that i literally jusr used the same trick you did

You have a quote somewhere here that i want to add to my sig, if that's ok

no problem. go ahead.

best scum game ive seen from an individual on this site. awesome game skitter.

[Tchill13]

ugly
gg wp

Prolly should've crumbed that I received a friendly neighbor tap....

he did receive it...

[Tchill13]

ugly
gg wp

Prolly should've crumbed that I received a friendly neighbor tap....

So you did receive it. I kinda hoped you did, so while I'm glad you did, I kinda wish you stayed alive long enough to get something out of it.

or you could have... like showed suspicion?

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i think skitter played great.

robb did what he had to do (not mess it up) which imo means robb played well.

flub will be scum read every time he plays like that.

PM short of their role did little to nothing worth mentioning. (pretty sure its their 1st game in a while)

luca was luca.

havo i thought played fine.

i'd give myself like a 6.5/10 was weary of the fact skitter could be scum. i wanted to lynch flubb/robb/skitter in order but after flubs green flip either pm or luca vote me or havo no matter what.

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wonder what vorks thoughts are of riding the coattails of FL or skitter every game...

then skit is actually scum.

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Gg all

Tchill i was slightly worried you'd pick up on the fact that i literally jusr used the same trick you did

You have a quote somewhere here that i want to add to my sig, if that's ok

no problem. go ahead.

best scum game ive seen from an individual on this site. awesome game skitter.

I want to know what it is lol.

[Tchill13]

ugly
gg wp

Prolly should've crumbed that I received a friendly neighbor tap....

idk whats more ridiculous. this or flub's play.

[Tchill13]

ooh i should only let you have the first half lol. while you deserve all the praise that was quite the amount of luck from that pm night action...

but idc. do what you like lol. very happy you were scum because i figured you were too good to SR me after playing scum together lol. I was correct, which means i've found another player that is quite fun to play with.

had i known you were this capable we would have pulled off a few more shenanigans. i love scum shenanigans but a big part of my play as either alignment is estimating what "X" player is capable of as either alignment.

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Luca needs to be alive so i can fake-claim pr on him - if i conftown him we also know who to kill n3
I want tchill to be alive since that will perpetuate the him/luca feud and he might get mislynched tom

I guess i juat feel like there'a so many ways to play this thag it's hard to decide

LUL. from the dead thread.

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ok idc how lucky skitter got.

after reading scum thread thats how you play scum.

you devise a plan early, you take advantage of the stupid things (tchill v Luca) and you just play.

the huge issue is the fact that pm/vork and flubb were non threats, hell, not even hardly afterthoughts to the scum team.

i L-O-A-T-H-E play similar to any of those 3 that was show in this game due to how easy you make it for scum.

i disagreed with robbs assessment of havo/tchill not being able to explain our read. I do agree with the basis of the argument but in this particular situation it would NOT have mattered. PM/Flubb/luca was the perfect end game to drag along due to the fact that luca will 100 percent always SR me and PM/Flub were practically paper weights in this game.

the biggest issue with my play is underestimating skitters ability, but that was due to a lack of familiarity. I figured the odds of the chain of events playing out PLUS skitter being good enough to do that was less than likely.

the 2nd was allowing myself to get pissed at luca then allowing that to diffuse itself into the rest of my game. My game is designed to keep me alive until endgame. I can only afford to be "great" in lylo or late game. When I get that agitated and let it effect everything else I'll never be able to solve due to bias.

I think it makes sense why i borderline hate play from lurkers/inactives/paperweights.

my play is designed to solve the game d3 or 4 but scum will drag those lifeless slots along which make the game almost impossible to solve. You're better off not playing when you do that. You become a scum tool more than anything. I can very confidently say had flubb played a better game it would have been easier to talk myself into scum! skitter. Of course idk if that would have happened.

its pathetic that vork actually recieved the message, that pm didnt react to that event and that both of those things eventually led to my lynch. Of course i handled the havo/pm thing poorly but i felt havo was town and was right.

im the last person you have to tell that manipulation and explanation are the most important aspects of the game. Even more so than being right. its just frustrating when you play with 2 or 3 paper weights over and over while also playing with someone who seems to SR you every time. Yes im scummy. I do it on purpose. I can tell when ppl arent scum due to how poorly theyd have to be playing to be scum. I expect others to be able to do the same with me and thats just not the case. this has only been a real issue with a very small amount of players though so hopefully i dont have to change that because im very comfortable with the style ive etched out for myself.

obviously still a little rusty and im way more angry while playing than ive ever been.

mainly because skitter showed NO SIGNS of being that meticulous as scum when I played with her haha.

GGs.

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I'm not above purposefully perpetuating fights

when youre scum its ALL fair game

[Tchill13]

Yeah you kept saying i was too good to scumread you as town, the game didnt make sense to you cuz i'd put myself out of the lynchpool

You're great to play with, too

And yeah i'm p good with mechanics and claiming shenanigans, as scum, check out the gerrymandering large at some point :p

Pedit indeed

my lack of setup, role, mechainc knowledge is devastatingly poor.

I literally just play the games im in and if i read you for anything outside of the game its only due to familiarity.

you can get lost very quickly in reading players based on everything except the actual game.

I also got in an argument that pretty much ruined setup spec for me due to setups overpowering town in such a stupid way.

[Tchill13]

he had you right as scum. Cant blame him for not getting skitter right.

that said if im mad at havo then im agitated at 4 townies lmao.

[Tchill13]

eh, i agree with so many shitty townies lol.

because you tunnel as both alignments and you never really try to do anything else your a multi day read.

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from a fundamental stand point you should.

seriously the only way i tr some ppl is because their play as scum would be too stupid to be scum. like theres no way they would intentionally play scum that way.