Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[the worst]

VC 3.10

Flubbernugget (2): Tchill13, Havo
Tchill13 (2): Flubbernugget, PMysterious
Havo (2): Robbnva, Luca Blight

Not Voting (1): skitter30

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority. Day three ends in (expired on 2019-10-16 23:59:00)

mod notes:
joined mod iso
Luca Blight is v/la.
skitter30 is v/la until Tuesday.
i came, i quacked, i pagetopped

[Flubbernugget]

*sigh* I'll have to dig through posts later

I just said I can see town voting outside of a cross and you're doing the repetition thing again

Meta has no bearing on probablility...like what

I'm posting a LOT more than I was the previous day phases and I'd love to see you contort what an interaction looks like to you to say I've only done it twice

but you can see scum voting outside of a cross also correct?

meta goes against the logic of "one game" so for you to rule setup spec out entirely on that premise but to accept meta as any excuse for anything is shit. like im trying to have a convo with you regarding setup that you just shut down entirely.

its whats in the posts not the post themselves. its not hard to post a LOT more than you have up until now. im not impressed.

i think its obvious PM and Luca are locktwon.

how would you react to a havo town flip?

how would you react to a tchill town flip?

I can see scum voting outside a cross too. What's your point?

And yes I do shut down dumb arguments when I see them. You can check my *gasp* meta on me doing it as town.

The only way I could really see probability being used to crack a setup is for EV ish stuff because that is something some mods use to think about balance.

Why do you really want to bog the game down on the philosophy of how to interpret probability anyway? To make more noise perhaps?

Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

I'm not an active poster and I've never been one. Still readable, and always pushed when scum needs an easy out.

I don't know how I'd react to either of you flipping town and I'm not letting you get in my head to start entertaining the idea either.

[Flubbernugget]

I guess if there's 2 scum I can get lynched today and then you can all lynch tchill/havo the next two days

But I really dont trust that happening at this point

why not? if you flip green one of me or havo is autolynched.

robb is already pushing both of us, as a team or as pocketing the other, he keeps changing it.

luca voted me and havo b4 voting you.

pm voted me.

skitter would rather me be lynched today.

your green flip is the best way to catch tchill/havo scum 4 good (or one of tchill/havo scum, because we could be pocketing one another but we could be scum together also - ToxicTunneler247)

you're not gonna flip green though, thats your issue with it.

also please respond to this.

My issue is that too many people on this site like to make hero plays so it really doesn't matter what logic you lay out cuz glory is going to overshadow it anyway

[Havo]

Yes. Lynch me.

[Tchill13]

Havo didn’t call pm scum but he absolutely backed off and was considering him as scum.

Why?

Cause tchill’s “push”.

You got somebody to slip yet you ignore it when you wanted somebody to slip.

Thank you for saving me the time

id like you to answer your own questions

if your capable.

[Tchill13]

My issue is that too many people on this site like to make hero plays so it really doesn't matter what logic you lay out cuz glory is going to overshadow it anyway

do you or do you not believe that your town flip leads to an auto lynch of either me or havo?

[Tchill13]

you just flat out refuse to entertain the hypothetical town of me or havo flips? thats shortsighted.

you act as if im not posting credible points. youre just refusing to ... think. like at all.

[Tchill13]

Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

[Tchill13]

there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

luca is still townie

flub needs to be invest or vigged.

luca or Vork is my best bet at scum on the d1 wagon.

Luca i think was the towniest vote on the wagon, i dont get why you're scumreading him
I agree that vork's interactions with the wagon were p bad. And he keeps saying i dislike his vote which i've repeatedly said is *not* what i'm pushing him for

i don't even think i've seen you do this as replacing in either, as either alignment

i'm still happy with my vork vote, i think

fl is a great invest target imo

i'm v confident luca is town
pm probably is too

i dislike tchill the most rn

i don't have good reads on havo or robb. i have no idea how to read robb and i honestly don't remember most of what havo's said this game

flubb's prob town too

ok i guess i'll claim now

i'm a joat
1s loyal vanilla cop - on luca n1; i got back vanilla townie
1s loyal visitor - on fl last night

indeed.
i made sure to make it pretty obvious in hindsight just in case something happened to me

and i have no fucking idea what the point of a loyal visitor is

for anyone thinking "clearing up the PR's" is a good idea.

it is laughable to accuse skitter of fake claiming.

so if you're voting havo it better be because you actually think he's scum @luca.

if you think flub is scummier please go back to flub.

[Tchill13]

id like to know why luca, pm and robb TR flub independent of the rest of the game.

id also like to know if anyone is confident ion saying robb is either alignment.

[Luca Blight]

It’s interesting how Havo seems to be continually copying Tchill’s stances this game. For example Havo copied his stance on PM, and now he’s copying the ‘lynch me’ line as well. It could be inexperienced scum copying his more experienced partner.

[Luca Blight]

Tchill, I am currently townreading Skitter and that wouldn’t automatically change upon a Havo townflip, as I think 4 pr’s is a possibility. I don’t think it’s impossible that she is some sort of scumcop who was able to detect that I’m vanilla, but there are more likely scenarios atm.

I think Havo is a good Lynch because he has been scummy this game; his reads, stances and pushes don’t add up. I don’t get his faith in his Tchill read and don’t see the progression there from when he had you down as null. Similarly I don’t see the progression on his Robb read either, and I can hardly relate to anything he’s said all game. The fact we have an unusually high number of Pr claims means he is slightly more likely to slip scum at this stage.

[Robbnva]

id like to know why luca, pm and robb TR flub independent of the rest of the game.

Not sure what you mean by the “independent of the rest of the game”

Flubber/pm/havo have been on my shit list most of the game for their lurking. Pm is now essentially town. Flubber and havo were the two ? And based on havo’s play this day phase, he made himself obvious as scum. I’ve basically explained this already so not sure why you’ve asked again.

Flubber still hasn’t done anything, havo hasn’t really but the stuff he has today can only come from scum


Absolutely refusing to explain his reads
No attempt at game solving
Riding my coat tails and then blaming me for being wrong.

[Robbnva]

Tchill. You were town reading me day 2. The first time you called me scum was day 3 after I called you/havo possible scum.

Outside of omgus. What caused your 180 on me?

[Flubbernugget]

Havo didn’t call pm scum but he absolutely backed off and was considering him as scum.

Why?

Cause tchill’s “push”.

You got somebody to slip yet you ignore it when you wanted somebody to slip.

Thank you for saving me the time

id like you to answer your own questions

if your capable.

There was no question here and citations aren't the workings of town; theyre a chore

[Flubbernugget]

Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

A two shot cop, friendly neighbor paired against a two man scum team w/ a motion detector sounds like a good setup to me

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber still hasn’t done anything

You still think this?

[Robbnva]

I mean you’re pushing Tchill so I guess I was incorrect but at this point everyone is pushing somebody.

[Flubbernugget]

Fair

[Robbnva]

My biggest fear is I’m wrong about Tchill and/or havo and we lose because they were too stubborn
M

[Robbnva]

I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

[PMysterious]

I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

Then that probably means they both are scum. If we can't explain why they're town, then they probably aren't town to begin with. We need to choose one, but then we can lynch the other the following day, or maybe Havo if we so choose.

[Luca Blight]

Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

A two shot cop, friendly neighbor paired against a two man scum team w/ a motion detector sounds like a good setup to me

This is a decent point.

Also, the only way Tchill and Havo can both be Town from their perspective is if there is a two man scum team, but 2 scum makes it even more unlikely that there can be 4 Town pr’s.

[Luca Blight]

Robb, here is proof that an 11p mini normal can have 4 Town pr’s:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68345

Interesting to note that this game contained a Mafia Rolecop + Mafia traitor...

[Luca Blight]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Is this signaling?