Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[Pretentious]

Re-evaluation is the most honest thing a townie can do

[Pretentious]

idc, you're better with words than me and i can't outargue your misreps, but it depends on what others think anyhow

If you’re town, you’re gonna get mislynched.

If you’re scum, well, fine. Keep going and hope you got the clout.

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DDL-Skellen-A50 is where I’m leaning right now after the DDL pop in. Too convenient

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Especially because the game has stalled so scum had to make a play.

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I’m not scum, so I’m just gonna bite at whoever pushes me and figure out if someone’s town pushing me or scum pushing me. I probably need a little more pressure, but still

[Pretentious]

Scum have to push me here.

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If RCE is town, scum have to lynch one of us today.

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Only if you look at it from a surface level

It’s mass claim time.

I essentially know everyone’s role at this point for the most part anyways

[Pretentious]

There’s like a goon, and 2 mafia pr, and that goes to whoever the scum team is obvi.

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I’m gonna put it like what everyone’s gonna claim because nobody gonna admit to being scum obvi.

benhaulkum - Tracker Enabler
bob3141 - vigilante or babysitter
Pretentious - 2 shot JK
Mizzytastic - bodyguard
Skellen - vt
Lil Uzi Vert - vt
Almost50 - vt
RCEnigma - vt
DrDolittle - vt

[Pretentious]

Since we prety much hit deadline last day as well as first. I very much think atleast one scum was one that mort wagon at teh end of day one.

Making me parnoid about some of my prior town reads. Been lookign at those who migth actual simply be sittign back

Bob, were you crumbing in this post?

[Pretentious]

6 Town PR VS 2 scum PR. Tracker enabler is barely a power. So it’s almost like 5.5 vs 2

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Otherwise it's either a troll kill or a PoE kill as scum can't necessarily afford to kill elsewhere because some of them are bound with other townies, who might be viable mislynches if one of them should go down. Pairs like Pret/RCE or me/A50 are such as example. That and the PoE might be smaller if Pret is town and they had to fear his jk-shot somewhere.

This is a pretty solid post for post game if Skellen flips red with A50, and RCE is town.

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So essentially my pool

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:/

We need to mass claim.

And it’s not a simple math on the blocking like that because I claimed Day 1. There was outplaying potential within that.

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I’m just town and scum took advantage of the chaos I brought to get me perpetually scum read

[Pretentious]

Bob claimed PR yesterday.

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So you have a role too.

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Yeah, I don’t think that’s the case at all. I don’t think it’s necessarily an RCE led kill either, though.

It feels like a DDL lead kill that he wanted to push as a Pret lead kill

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LOL scum has to make a play when they got 2 ML off your shit. No town needs to step up and counter again whatever you are spewing.

I have gotten every single of my townreads right this game so I think it's time to listen to my scumreads too

This also seems like scum taunting their use of playing off of me being in the hot seat.

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I targeted RCE again.

I half expected him to be killed if he were town there.

And if he was scum, i would have hoped he wouldn’t think I’d target him twice.

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I’m town. my role stops other protectives from happening if I target them.

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Cause I'm feeling that any extra killing role falls under town protective (Vet, etc). Wouldn't a scum kill hen RCE is locked up kind of clear him at least in terms of being a trigger man?

I already have been playing with the idea that RCE and I are probably TvT.

[Pretentious]

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

If this is true, then YAY

[Pretentious]

Pretty sure I just won a game where A50 was in with a fake visitor claim. I was drunk yesterday and now I’m zoggin so not really in the right space to think

[Pretentious]

Pretty sure I just won a game where A50 was in with a fake visitor claim. I was drunk yesterday and now I’m zoggin so not really in the right space to think

I don't know if this helps me want to go ahead and pull the trigger on my A50 vote... or if I see this as a detourant tactic.

#conflcited.

I didn’t mean it in either way, I just wanted it out there that that was a thing.

It is weird AF.

3-5 VT isn’t like...not normal, and I’ve seen far crazier stuff on normals, but for some reason I didn’t expect Plum’s game to be PR heavy.

Not Known 15 has crazy normals that are all technically normal

[Pretentious]

I think we need to mass claim

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Skellen, LUV, DDL, RCE, Bob should be the order.

I believe those are all the unclaimed?

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Pret how confident are you on your A50 read. You say you can read him very well.

So if A50 is town what does that mean on your scum read of him

I don’t think he’s town.

[Pretentious]

Pret how confident are you on your A50 read. You say you can read him very well.

So if A50 is town what does that mean on your scum read of him

I don’t think he’s town.

If A50 is town, then I’m wrong, and we probably lose the game.

VOTE: Almost50

[Pretentious]

I’m not scum...lynching me today like guarantees a town loss because the next logical lynched are A50 and RCE, and I doubt both of them are scum.

[Pretentious]

Did I just get hard pocketed by ScumBob? Is that what happened here?

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How convenient. Your role depends on the tracker, who died D1. And you visited BEF N1 and N2, who is not dead. But why? If your role is effectively VT now as you put it, why would you visit anyone? That means you're NOT VT if you're able to get ANY info about someone you visit as per your comment "I wanted to see if he was town". If your role relied on Tris to work at all, there would be no N2 visit and prob no N1.

VOTE: Almost50

mm for now im think pret is are best lynch.

VOTE: Pret

I think more players have to cast votes so we know more concretely were everyone stands

The timing of this is off.

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As soon as it looked like A50 was going down, Bob made the move

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Bob, A50, then one of DDL/Skellen/LUV?

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I think it’s most likely DDL with an off chance of Skellen.

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Actually, I think ScumBob probably breaks this game open

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I mean, if I were scum, my lynch would be a town loss anyways.

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You even say your lynch equals a town loss. Because as you put you think next days lynch will be rce or A50. A50 who you just said you think is scum and RCE a player at times you have pushed as scum.

Misrep, i clearly stared that I think RCE is town now

[Pretentious]

Nah, because y’all shouldn’t lynch me ever

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A50 even is pushing the fire now. Obv scum push is obv

[Pretentious]

Bobby, A50, and DDL scum team. Believe it!

[Pretentious]

BEF is not the strongest player in the world was being scum-spected by multiple people.

killing him as a night action is something someone who is eccentric would do. This almost surely is the work of pret, and to a lesser degree a50. bob ben rce and me feel strongly like players that play by the books (i.e. no fakeclaiming as town, crazy gambits etc.). i cant see you, skellen, luv targeting him either.

This is effectively the reason why I never kill BEF.

I play to the players in the game. That’s way too eccentric of a kill for me to make it worth making unless I’m specifically trying to get in a 1v1 with A50, which I guess is kinda plausible.

Idk. I really don’t think BEF would be a good kill for me, it sets me up for someone to push me like you were

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A50 even is pushing the fire now. Obv scum push is obv

But what makes you think its a scum push from A50. All you keep saying when ever anyone votes for you is that there scum and that its scum push. I can only conclude that your only goal is to prevent your own lynch as you make no attempt to game solve. All you do is in effect just spinnign an oil slick to help you slip away.

Honestly, I just always feel like it’s majority scum pushing me.

I get kind of OMGUS’y when I’m getting pushed.

[Pretentious]

Bobby, A50, and DDL scum team. Believe it!

So you great analysis simply comes down to anyone who votes me is scum?

Looks to me your simply trying to push a scum case against anyone who thinks your the best lynch. Tell me why Ive gone from scum read to town read to scum again. All the while scum reading you. Apart from a short bit were explored the possibility you could be town. Back then all of sudden I was town read. But remained a town read of yours even though i reterned to scum reading you

Yeah, I’m OMGUS’y by nature.

And I am the best lynch, the best mislynch for scum. Why wouldn’t I feel scum wouldn’t try to push me here?

[Pretentious]

You go back and forth because I start to think about it, and my reads are genuine. I say what I feel in the moment.

I got paranoid you might have pocketed me from earlier on, and I was giving you like a complete free pass.

And then I thought I was being paranoid for being paranoid, and then I realized the ScumBob feelings had merit, even if it ends up being incorrect.

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Also, we need to finish mass claim.

I feel scum is probably trying to stall for that not to happen

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BEF is not the strongest player in the world was being scum-spected by multiple people.

killing him as a night action is something someone who is eccentric would do. This almost surely is the work of pret, and to a lesser degree a50. bob ben rce and me feel strongly like players that play by the books (i.e. no fakeclaiming as town, crazy gambits etc.). i cant see you, skellen, luv targeting him either.

This is effectively the reason why I never kill BEF.

I play to the players in the game. That’s way too eccentric of a kill for me to make it worth making unless I’m specifically trying to get in a 1v1 with A50, which I guess is kinda plausible.

Idk. I really don’t think BEF would be a good kill for me, it sets me up for someone to push me like you were

Claiming you would make the kill undermines your very agruement that you didnt make the kill. As how do we know one of teh reasons scum made that kill is so you could claim you didnt make that kill.

Now pret who would you have killed without it undermining your false role claim.

No, I specifically wouldn’t make the kill because I would make the kill. So I wouldn’t make the kill.

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Now pret who would you have killed without it undermining your false role claim.

RCEnigma.

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That would give me reason to push strongman, gets rid of the person who can read me best, and gives me the defense of killing off my adversary.

I could have also lied in that scenario if I were scum and just said I targeted elsewhere because that makes sense to not go 2 times on the same person necessarily.

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You go back and forth because I start to think about it, and my reads are genuine. I say what I feel in the moment.

I got paranoid you might have pocketed me from earlier on, and I was giving you like a complete free pass.

And then I thought I was being paranoid for being paranoid, and then I realized the ScumBob feelings had merit, even if it ends up being incorrect.

Yet you never actual back them up at any point. You start scum reading me yet your only vangue on teh reason. Then all of sudden im town and again your vague on why its suddenly changed. Quite clear to me your reads are little more than you trying to stear teh game state so you and your scum partner can get a win

I don’t really have reasons. I never voted you, so why do I need to back them up right now? I’m still figuring it out myself.

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And the things I do have are general game state reasons.

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You’re making a mountain of a mole hill, so right now it feels like you felt pressure from not being generally seen as town.

@RCEnigma - Vorkuta kinda did something similar to Bob in Musicals. I was strong town reading Vorkuta, and then I started to think about possible ScumHim and he had some panic and flip flop, and then it lead to the famous “he’s scum who killed his own partner!!!” push the next day

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Now pret who would you have killed without it undermining your false role claim.

RCEnigma.

But an RCE kill would undermine your jk claim. If you were town and RCE was town then scum after hearing you claimed to have jailed RCE night 1.

You woudl kill your main scum reads as that would remove space for you to push. If you kill those you town read during end of day 2 then it makes you suspect. So you kill someone that A. scum reads you and will liekly vote for you teh next day. 2. isnt realy being the focus of many players and 3. a player you can claim to not have killed.


Even though you are the one that benifits most from BEF kill. You majorly benifited from skitter kill.

End of day oen goign into n1. Skitter still strongly scum read you but wanted to check. Tris flipps town. With a fake claim you would be vunrable to a whole array of town power roles. If a player that will likely want to lynch you the next is pr. She would certainly visit you. After all skitter narrowly stayed on you wagon to get lynch. If she had you would have been lynched that day. Coudl you real afford that many players scum reading you to stay alive. After all your partners coudl always conveniently find anotehr wagon to be when you get pressured

I did not benefit at all from BEF.

BEF was literally one of the worst kills for me.

I have pressure on me, I did not benefit from BEF kill.

BEF talked about us both being town when RCE pushed us as Scum/Scum.

I did not benefit one bit from BEF kill.

Stop acting like I did because I really didnt.


DDL benefited far more than I did with the Skitter death, and scum benefited hard from skitter death because I got pressure from it.

You keep looking at things from an incredibly surface level which means you’re being hard played by scum or you are scum

[Pretentious]

You’re making a mountain of a mole hill, so right now it feels like you felt pressure from not being generally seen as town.

@RCEnigma - Vorkuta kinda did something similar to Bob in Musicals. I was strong town reading Vorkuta, and then I started to think about possible ScumHim and he had some panic and flip flop, and then it lead to the famous “he’s scum who killed his own partner!!!” push the next day

See here we have shade again. You cant argue against my points so try to avoid answering them. All you can come up with i aint voted for you so i dont have to say.

Why can’t I argue against your points?

As scum, I can argue against any points, so the fact you think I’m avoiding is yet again another reason why I’m obv town by this point.

This happened in Detective Penguin where majority of players thought I was super scummy but the dead thread saw me as obv af town

You’re scum reading my personality not my alignment

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Skellen, claim you’re role. I feel like you’re a PR too.

RCE, LUV, DDT - if you don’t claim, you’re effectively claiming VT.

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You also make the case of Skitter tracking me, but how would I have known she would be a tracker?

That’s a completely fabricated case by you.

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I don’t have anything to argue against you because you only push things on a complete surface level of play.

When I am scum, there are no reasons like that for me to be actually scum. That’s proof game state has set me up that way

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I don’t know what to say to you then, Bob.

I’m not scum, and you’re not gonna take anything I say as a reason even when in hindsight you’ll see it’s absolute truth.

If you’re stuck on trivial surface level presumed AI things then there’s nothing I can do to change that.

If you’re town, you gotta see it. Stop looking at it from a “you want me to be scum” level.

Look at things trying to town read me and you’ll be able to find it.

I personally don’t think I’ve done anything scummy post page 6. Not a single thing.

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I don’t have anything to argue against you because you only push things on a complete surface level of play.

When I am scum, there are no reasons like that for me to be actually scum. That’s proof game state has set me up that way

Can you clarify this a bit for me? I'm agreeing bob comes across as just pushing things on the surface level. But the last line I'm not quite understanding personally. Are you saying the game design was set up to make you look like scum? That feel like reaching.

One of my biggest strengths to my scum game is being able to create a gamestate where the setup spec is in my favor.

Almost50 and RCEnigma can vouch for that.

Setup wise, scum me is generally completely protected.


And EVERY single player had a reason to want to kill Skitter, don’t act like I’m the only one who did because that’s just not true.

I give back to you every single time I can. I actively try to help every single player here read me correctly.

I’ve been doing this the entire game

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Also it shoudl be prety obvious what my role is after all i did practically claim day 1.

Then claim it

[Pretentious]

I’m working now, I’ll be back soon

[Pretentious]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually figured you were something like this.

I thought that was your role a while ago. If you noticed, I brought up town having a Roleblocker probably as well, around the time I was pushing you as a babysitter (which I did for WIFOM purposes)

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Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually got from your various claims you were a vet. If you were roleblocker, who have you blocked?

Skitter Night 1

skellen Night 2

skitter was quite rash choice. Made it 10 mins after coming home and seeing skitter had lolhammered again.

Skellen movement all look odd. With us hitting deadline again. I looked at teh players that looked liek they were stalling the game.

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

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response to 2084

what would be the point. You were claiming jk. And you were already clearly aware of a potential roleblocking. No way scum you would have carried out teh night kill. I had to be unexpected

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

I wasn’t entirely sure if that’s what you were and I generally was town reading you at the time.

I also thought today you might be acting like you were a different PR and I lost Roleblocker vibes.

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Luv, claim please

[Pretentious]

If you’re town, and you targeted Skellen, that means Skellen and RCEnigma both can’t have made the kill.

Meaning someone less likely than them is scum made the kill.

DDL/LUV probably contain at least 1 scum.

[Pretentious]

Nah

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Skellen seems like scum upset with the setup

[Pretentious]

My role is tris and bob’s role together. It’s a thrill on a no kill like setup

[Pretentious]

I’m also limited, so I disagree that I’m as strong as a full Roleblocker or doctor. I also had high chance of blocking a town PR, which I would like to add, I absolutely did not do. As scum, there’s zero reason for me to let any of that go through and target RCEnigma.

And if you’re pushing I’m scum not doing it, then that was dangerous for me to target RCE because if he was something to get results, he could have countered it

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VOTE: Skellen

Except I’m not scum.

[Pretentious]

I don’t know what else to say. I feel I should be obv town at this point, and after I flip, it’s gonna be seen

[Pretentious]

I’m town, and you’re all playing like imma flip red which is gonna let scum completely reset the game after today

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VOTE: A50

[Pretentious]

I’m town, and you’re all playing like imma flip red which is gonna let scum completely reset the game after today

I actual think your town at the moment

I do my logic based on everyone flipping both scum and town.

I was passed you for the most part. I was back to town reading you, which is why I decided to follow you onto Skellen, essentially giving you 2 votes.

But I have to go A50 essentially or I get lynched.

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But I have to go A50 essentially or I get lynched.

Your vote is only the 2nd vote on me (or Skellen) so I don't understand this statement at all.

Read the game state

[Pretentious]

Also, LUV killed BEF.

[Pretentious]

RCE is scum who made the kill, or town who got killed.

[Pretentious]

I’m a Multitasking JOAT.

1 shot of Jailkeeper, Roleblock, Watcher.

N1 I targeted RCE with Roleblock.
N2 RCE with Jailkeeper. BEF with Watcher. LUV targeted BEF.

I’ve put LUV in the majority of my solves and have been trying to get him to claim all day, and he’s been coasting

[Pretentious]

You can go back and check my posts to see

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I was also trying to push it out with the “i dont make that kill”

[Pretentious]

LUV is scum, vigilante, or scum has a ninja and LUV targeted BEF.

[Pretentious]

Luv/Skellen/A50 team

Or DDL/RCE/Ben probably.

The current game state shows that if DDL/RCE/Ben is the scum team, which I pushed for already Day 2...then they win tomorrow likely.

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“Why didn’t you claim earlier?”

Because players like Mizzy go “if he changes the claim, he’s scum” when I was town not having given my full role yet.

It’s been so freaking hard trying to get LUV into this day phase, and you can clearly see me all game trying to get him here, but not doing it in a way where it felt like I was just trying to get him to claim.

That’s why I pushed Skellen to claim more.

[Pretentious]

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

If this is true, then YAY

Pretty sure I just won a game where A50 was in with a fake visitor claim. I was drunk yesterday and now I’m zoggin so not really in the right space to think

Pretty sure I just won a game where A50 was in with a fake visitor claim. I was drunk yesterday and now I’m zoggin so not really in the right space to think

I don't know if this helps me want to go ahead and pull the trigger on my A50 vote... or if I see this as a detourant tactic.

#conflcited.

I didn’t mean it in either way, I just wanted it out there that that was a thing.

It is weird AF.

3-5 VT isn’t like...not normal, and I’ve seen far crazier stuff on normals, but for some reason I didn’t expect Plum’s game to be PR heavy.

Not Known 15 has crazy normals that are all technically normal

I think we need to mass claim

Here’s how I commented after A50 talked about being a Loyal Visitor.

I even brought up Not Known 15, the mod who had a normal game with 3 Multitasking JOAT’s.

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@LUV - Get in here, confirm I’m telling the truth, and claim.

[Pretentious]

I’m VT.

I definitely missed this.

VOTE: LUV

This confirms LUV as scum.

[Pretentious]

@mizzy - I would like your thoughts specifically please

[Pretentious]

Yup

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I dunno if I should.. Pret is a notorious busser though, so if this is a bus I'd be glad to lend a helping hand.

VOTE: LUV

Luv/Skellen/A50 team

Or DDL/RCE/Ben probably.

The current game state shows that if DDL/RCE/Ben is the scum team, which I pushed for already Day 2...then they win tomorrow likely.

A50’s bussing the hell out of LUV.

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VOTE: Pret

This is BS. This guy is not even reading the thread. I already said I targeted BEF TWICE. How could you not have seen me?

And wanna know how you just scum slipped?

You know more than anyone that I pay extra attention when I am scum.

[Pretentious]

I dunno if I should.. Pret is a notorious busser though, so if this is a bus I'd be glad to lend a helping hand.

VOTE: LUV

VOTE: Pret

This is BS. This guy is not even reading the thread. I already said I targeted BEF TWICE. How could you not have seen me?

The combination of this, also proves that A50 is lying about his claim, no matter how you look at it.

[Pretentious]

Luv/Skellen/A50 team

Or DDL/RCE/Ben probably.

The current game state shows that if DDL/RCE/Ben is the scum team, which I pushed for already Day 2...then they win tomorrow likely.

Wanna guess how I know your watch claim is bs?

You’ve been blocked every night, and you claiming a PR is a scum claim.

[Pretentious]

RCE, can you unvote for a second?

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious

[Pretentious]

Good luck.

[Pretentious]

Y’all, let’s just talk about how I made it to Day 3 without getting hung up

[Pretentious]

Yeah, I felt like I could have potentially gotten another mislynch here, but I believe this was the right play.

[Pretentious]

This is gonna be hilarious to watch in the dead thread.

[Pretentious]

You guys made the biggest mistake of trying to catch me as the first scum.

Or am I just WIFOM’ing.

[Pretentious]

They don’t call me Boon Corleone for nothing

[Pretentious]

Probably just kill Mizzy, tbh

[Pretentious]

Oops

[Pretentious]

Hey, town, disregard that last post

[Pretentious]

Mizzy’s my new fave.

Solid gambit, Mizzy.

[Pretentious]

Even scum partners of mine can’t bus me correctly to get my lynched.

[Pretentious]

BEF was absolutely not a me kill.