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[Garmr]

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.
so like sheep me.
VOTE: Robbnva

[Garmr]

Question to Robbnva and Dunnstral why did you vote town?

[Garmr]

You’re the one who is voting town. I’m voting somebody who lied

I never lied. I said I'm pseudo confirmed town and I want people to sheep me. But are you being honest are you town?

[Garmr]

Question to Robbnva and Dunnstral why did you vote town?

Town winrate is lower when lynching mafia day 1

True that. But why vote me over rob?

[Garmr]

You’re not pseudo confirmed town so that’s a lie.

Yes I’m being honest when I say I’m town. You have lied though so I can’t trust you anymore.

Robb tell me what pseudo means?

[Garmr]

Honestly don’t remember off the top of my head. I think it means “sort of”

It means": being apparently rather than actually as stated " So me being pseudo confirmed means I'm not confirmed. I'm pseudo confirmed because I say I am.

[Garmr]

You’re not pseudo confirmed town so that’s a lie.

Yes I’m being honest when I say I’m town. You have lied though so I can’t trust you anymore.

And I’m not arguing with you for the next 40 pages. I don’t like you anyway so it’s like double pleasure for me.

Oh boy, looks like another season of the Robb Show is starting up.

Wanna take bets on how long he takes to spit the dummy.

[Garmr]

Wake wanna jump on the robb wagon get a little train going?

"Next stop on robb wagon salty springs"

[Garmr]

Wake wanna jump on the robb wagon get a little train going?

"Next stop on robb wagon salty springs"

I'd rather not if it'd lead to a shit-ton of fighting, because that'd do nothing but hurt Town.

Plus it'd take away from, you know, actually hunting Scum.

Just having fun with it but would you still want to jump on the wagon?

[Garmr]

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

Also you were just joking, right?

You're not pulling a Saudade are you?

What's pulling a Sausdade.

[Garmr]

Too volatile.

If he gets sus then we'll pursue his ass.

It's like kuribo smashed his head against the wall so many times in rage that one damaged braincell leaked out his ear. Then that one brain cell became sentient and started calling itself Robb that's how Volatile he is.

[Garmr]

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

Also you were just joking, right?

You're not pulling a Saudade are you?

What's pulling a Sausdade.

"I'm a Mason!", etc.

Oh half joking I thought it be funny before this game if I just keeped repeating/mentioning I'm pseudo confirmed town every 4-5 posts for a entire game as town. So basically pulling a Tammy.

[Garmr]

Too volatile.

If he gets sus then we'll pursue his ass.

It's like kuribo smashed his head against the wall so many times in rage that one damaged braincell leaked out his ear. Then that one brain cell became sentient and started calling itself Robb that's how Volatile he is.

Personal attacks are against game and site rules. Watch yourself.

lol wasn't really a attack Just making fun of your volatility but k.

[Garmr]

The game we played is over. You were town and did it. Now I will forever have doubt this game cause you shifted your meta.

Well, this is Mafia, and you should be doubtful in general.

Unless it comes to me you can always believe me.

[Garmr]

Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.

I'm contemplating if all three of us our town.

I'm more unsure on Robb

It's early game but his logic is pretty bad. His vote on me is because he accused me of lying. But that's because he doesn't understand what the word pseudo means and was to lazy to look it up. When I tried to correct him he was being stubborn. Then his like "I can't trust what wake says because his not playing to wake meta" thing was kinda meh as well.

So it's hard trying to figure out if his a town player bad logic or scum who struggles with reasoning.Either way the struggle seems genuine.


Wake I'm just enjoying being around and my gut says town.

[Garmr]

Dunn interests me actually. Instead of spouting a personal reason or just saying it was a rvs when I asked why they voted a town me, they just spouted a statics. It really didn't offer anything towards the game or develop anything. But to just flat out use a statics for reasoning in rvs is new to me.

[Garmr]

Dunn interests me actually. Instead of spouting a personal reason or just saying it was a rvs when I asked why they voted a town me, they just spouted a statics. It really didn't offer anything towards the game or develop anything. But to just flat out use a statics for reasoning in rvs is new to me.

i don't think he gave the statistic as a reasoning, bc he never said he thinks you're town

it seemed just like a cheeky response to your "why are you voting town"

anyways, since you point it out as interesting - which alignment do you think it's more likely to be done as?

Was holding back since they didn't answer yet but others already mentioned it. But scum is what my gut says. What about yourself?

[Garmr]

Am I the only one a bit perturbed by thinking all of us might be Town? I know I am, but it just seems a bit too premature to be honest. Below is ranked in order.

Townlean

Null

Garmr
Robb
Flavor Leaf
Dunnstral

Scumlean

Tbh I don't have much issue with it since it's probably subject to change.

[Garmr]

I think robb needs to grow up but Ok.

[Garmr]

But if you report me for that I'll report you for telling me to die.

[Garmr]

Go ahead. I made sure to make the clarification of in game not irl.

Oh so basically it's on to throw out insults or how much you don't like someone as long as you say in game. So in theory you can tell someone to get fucked in the ass by a barbed wire dildo as long as you put in "game at the end."


Got yah

[Garmr]

Like you say you know I’m volitile yet decided to come after me. So you’re getting exactly what you wanted.

I’m sick and tired of people Fucking with me every god damn game.

You literally started it I only made my light hearted joke about how volatile(angry you get) you are . Because you felt the need to express how much you don't like me despite me doing nothing to you.

Then when we can end there and move on. You try to antagonise me into insulting you again so you can play victim and throw another report. People aren't dumb Robert we can see what you are doing.

[Garmr]

Robbnva has requested replacement.

good riddance.

[Garmr]

Garmr, what do you think of Non's vote on Flavor Leaf?

Well seemed like a rvs to me. She did just basically soft claim masons with mari through. So i'm hoping that's the case and both slots are town.

[Garmr]

Also Flavour leaf calling all three of us as town would put him in a bad position as scum if in fact all three of us are town. It would limit his ,mislynch pool by 3 plus if he takes of the mason soft claim then his put himself in a position where if he touched 5 potential mislynches he would be under fire.

I think flavour is decent enough to avoid a situation where he is locked down early.

[Garmr]

@wake

VOTE: Dunnstral

That being said they didn't really reply to my questions to them and avoided a take on our little event.

[Garmr]

I dont understand the dunn wagon

VOTE: garmr

Caught up.

I dont particularly like fl, garmr, or tictac. I dont like the wagon they're pushing

Pedit lol hi saudade

You don't like the fact I'm pushing Dun, So what's the reason you don't like people voting Dunn?

[Garmr]

More i dont like that you were instigating a fight with robb, which we all know would not end well

And i dont like how people are hopping onto dunn, you happen to be one of those people

I'm voting you more for the first thing, but the second makes me suspicous of the motivations behind the dunn wagon

Yeah if you want to cater to robb validating his toxic behaviour that's on you. I'm not going to bend the knee to a man who throws stones in a glass house. You should know that by now if you ever played with me before. People have already mentioned in this thread I have a strong personality.


So what reasons don't you like people hoping on dunn? Like you go reasons but you never really answered the reasons you find wrong.

and the third line just seems like a weak justification to shade a entire wagon with nothing.

[Garmr]

I don't like skitter this game. I don't remember her post don't remember her posts being hollow as town.

[Garmr]

Yeah if you want to cater to robb validating his toxic behaviour that's on you. I'm not going to bend the knee to a man who throws stones in a glass house. You should know that by now if you ever played with me before. People have already mentioned in this thread I have a strong personality.


So what reasons don't you like people hoping on dunn? Like you go reasons but you never really answered the reasons you find wrong.

and the third line just seems like a weak justification to shade a entire wagon with nothing.

I think the best way to handle robb is to just ignore him

You know full well how those sorts of arguments end, in a full-on shitshow usually, so picking a fight with him seems anti-town at best and maliscious at worst

I dont understand what people dont like about dunn, which is why i'm suspicious of the wagon. I dont understand why fl finds what he wrote suspicious. The 'reasons' i dont like it is that i dont understand why it's happening

So all blames lays with me and his a innocent little child because he can't control himself. I would of dropped it after this first comment but he went on. I wouldn't of even wrote my first comment if he didn't mention disliking me for doing nothing to him. No offence but the fact your trying to push blame on me seems like a weak attempt at trying to manufacture a scum read.


Basically when I asked why he was voting town(me) They gave a statics that was kinda deflective meaning i couldn't get information out their response. Then when I asked them to clarify they ignored me and they Ignored the whole events between me,wake, the guy I forgot his name of. Instead they were more focused on the mason soft claim meaning they are more interested in town powers than scum hunting.

It's all the little things that adds up to scum.

[Garmr]

Wait skitter is robs slot this changes a couple of things.

[Garmr]

Basically when I asked why he was voting town(me) They gave a statics that was kinda deflective meaning i couldn't get information out their response. Then when I asked them to clarify they ignored me and they Ignored the whole events between me,wake, the guy I forgot his name of. Instead they were more focused on the mason soft claim meaning they are more interested in town powers than scum hunting.

It's all the little things that adds up to scum.

What do you think skitter? This is the important part now.

[Garmr]

I think you're building a whole lot out of very little

But you see my thought process right?

[Garmr]

is anyone around

Not against but don't understand explain?

[Garmr]

is anyone around

Not against but don't understand explain?

Did u make the wrong quote

Yeah but i'll sleep soon was replying to the fact you were asking people if they were around to discuss the jan wagon.

[Garmr]

For me the townbloc is gamma skitter now

Which is a shame because I disagree with a lot of their views. But your prob right on skitter.

[Garmr]

I have a soft spot for Tic Tac after he told gamma how stupid his take on me using the word pseudo. My gut is telling me Tic Tac is most likely mislynch bait. That being said gamma comes off as scum to me Skitters prob town.

Looking back Skitter took a risk and scum read me when I was a universal town read to the active players. Her reasoning was awful but that doesn't just come from town. Gamma through his reasoning was like the worst I ever seen. Because at the end of the day it's kinda a joke and i'm not being serious. So what reason would town think scum would do this over town?

His town reads with flavour and sausade are easy to make as well.

Also after the last game I had with Gamma he should be able to pick up I'm town straight away.

[Garmr]

For me the townbloc is gamma skitter now

Which is a shame because I disagree with a lot of their views. But your prob right on skitter.

you dont townread gamma?

No

[Garmr]

do you scumread gamma? or is he just null

Scum

[Garmr]

do you scumread gamma? or is he just null

Scum

because he couldnt pin point you as town after your last game together?

No him town reading me for hinting a role to him (I was but that's not the issue). So after that him scum reading me for saying I'm pseudo confirmed town as joke seems farfetched.

[Garmr]

you and I had a game together and I too cant tell if you are town or scum here tbh

I don't expect you to be able to unlike gamma. I don't mean for you to take that in a bad way sorry.

[Garmr]

There's a player on this website who can read me 100% well she just fails to lynch me every single time

I have a player like that called Titus. Except she's always Wrong and never been right in all the years we played togther.

[Garmr]

Garmr who is your #1 townread and your #1 scumread as of RIGHT NOW

Flavour(Town) and Gamma(Scum).

[Garmr]

MariaR made a good point in post 117

She practically solved the game fullstop.

[Garmr]

the townread on her is not based on the way she plays anyway but on robb

That's the only reason she's on my town list as well.

[Garmr]

the townread on her is not based on the way she plays anyway but on robb

That's the only reason she's on my town list as well.

why are you townreading FlavaL

1. He town read everyone in the argument with Robb,me and wake. Scum would want to avoid this early on as it could bite them latter. Thought that was a ballsy move to do. But mostly gut.

I do want to know how he went from this

Saudade
Non
Skitter
Wake
Garm
January

With the exception of January, whom I was starting to naturally want to vote, which means she’s probably town, i have decent reasons to wanna town read everyone here.

To

Skitter

- Here’s the thing, I want to put Skitter below Una, but I do generally see townieness in her posts. That being said, SCUM SKITTER IS TOWNIE. People will go “Never lynch Skitter, she’s obv town” when Skitter is scum. She plays the “correct town play” when she is scum. I commented on my thoughts more earlier either this, how generally everything is townie, but then that one post, that one setup discredit me early. I think there’s definitely an above chance that she is scum. Also, Robb is the type to get angry as scum and replace out too, making the replace out itself completely NAI.

[Garmr]

@MariaR
Sure what makes my tic tac read interesting and what parts do you want to discuss?

[Garmr]

Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

[Garmr]

Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

is this really a good question to ask...
the only thing it does is help you figure out whether they're actually mason buddies or not

i don't think any answer to that question will further the game
unless you think they're mafia together or something

Yeah if Una is scum trying to tether herself to mariar or they are mason I can eliminate them from my lynch pool. I mean it was quite obvious una softed it out and it was pointed out by another player as well. I'm assuming people aren't blind enough to miss it after someone commented on it. Also if scum noticed it and they are masons they can avoid talking about it and just shoot one to test it out.

[Garmr]

I mean it was quite obvious una softed it out

Can you quote it?

Oh whoops I meant non imh I got there names mixed up for some reason.

past 1am here and just from a quick skim, feeling Bella intimidated by you lot

so if y'all could just help a newbie out and take for granted that Non and Mari are town, I'd be most appreciative, thanks)

also, get the sense I missed my chance but to help set the precedent VOTE: Flavor Leaf

nighty night

[Garmr]

nothing you ever say makes sense to me garmr

I would like to say I'm hard to understand but to be honest I just run differently than the norm when scum hunting. Some understand me some don't.

[Garmr]

Garmr wants to reference New Beginnings I’ll do it too, that’s actually really shady given what happened that game (me and Carcalilly actually were Masons, and Carca kinda went Ham And Chee

I'm not the type that's afraid to ask things and it's not like I haven't been blunt in the past before. So I don't know why you'rd holding me to someone else's standard?

[Garmr]

do you scumread gamma? or is he just null

Scum

because he couldnt pin point you as town after your last game together?

No him town reading me for hinting a role to him (I was but that's not the issue). So after that him scum reading me for saying I'm pseudo confirmed town as joke seems farfetched.

Yeah no, those aren’t equal
Just because I read you right once doesn’t make me a god at reading you. And like the vote wasn’t 100% because I scumread you, I just wanted to apply pressure to something that looked rather questionable. To me, what you were saying boiled down to is “I’m town because I say so”. Which is definitely something that seems scum motivated but at the same time is just a shitty line in general.

Yeah I understand that but you scum reading me for saying I'm pseudo confirmed town is pretty trash.

Can I ask what benefit does scum get out of it? Because I have a town one.

[Garmr]

Because you’re blatantly mason fishing and given what happened that game I would definitely expect you to not do that.

That's pretty weak gamma. I honestly don't care if they are masons are outed after that soft. If I can force scum into a situation where they have to play a certain way then it benefits me as town. Also would know if there alignment if I was scum so I wouldn't have to worry.

It can scare the town off of pushing them
And like what benefit do you see, because if you are doing that when you can’t back it up then the only thing

I can see is reaction-based.

Did it push town off me? Was it worded in a way that pushed people off me? So the only scum point you listed is a stretch Because no one has town read me because of it. Pseudo confirmed means fake town so it was obvious I wasn't serious and bingo you listed one benefit as town. Also it good ice breaker.


VOTE: Gamma

[Garmr]

I have a soft spot for Tic Tac after he told gamma how stupid his take on me using the word pseudo. My gut is telling me Tic Tac is most likely mislynch bait. That being said gamma comes off as scum to me Skitters prob town.

Looking back Skitter took a risk and scum read me when I was a universal town read to the active players. Her reasoning was awful but that doesn't just come from town. Gamma through his reasoning was like the worst I ever seen. Because at the end of the day it's kinda a joke and i'm not being serious. So what reason would town think scum would do this over town?

His town reads with flavour and sausade are easy to make as well.

Also after the last game I had with Gamma he should be able to pick up I'm town straight away.

In fact, you really should tell me this “town benefit”, because I just ISOed you to figure out exactly why you suspect me because I didn’t recall anything really expanding on that, and you claim it was a joke, but now you act like there is some positive to it
So like, show me you’re not being revisionist here

can I ask you a question do you let people know your doing a reaction test straight away? Because that would seem dumb I did crumb it.

Because at the end of the day

it's kinda

a joke

This was my hint that it was a test kind of refers to some extent meaning there was another reason to do it. I was really cautious about letting catch on that I rewrote the sentence 5-6 times till I was happy.

[Garmr]

Oh half joking

I thought it be funny before this game if I just keeped repeating/mentioning I'm pseudo confirmed town

I planned this before this game even started.

[Garmr]

Funny how the replies were instant till I let that bombshell out.

[Garmr]

Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

Was this a test for Maria or..?

Dyslexia not a test.

[Garmr]

I can’t deal with another game of arguing. I’ll just blacklist Garmr

I feel like this is not the first time he’s said this tbh
Like nothing against him but I definitely recall him and Garmr not getting along in the past so...

Just was iso diving but I only played one game before with him (I remember) and I didn't argue with him. All I said was his reads made me tune out because I disagreed with his thought process and he went bat shit crazy at me. I didn't even argue back/ insult him. His insane.

[Garmr]

Like skitter has decent lines of thought but it seems loaded with garbage made to seem like solid logical thought

I can totally agree they are hollow and trash But I noticed your reads and reasoning was really similar(Tic Toc,me,Sausade,) So I started looking at the differences and only found one

Flavour-Town for gamma/scum Skitter


Skitter has more reads than gamma. But I feel Gamma like I can guess some from the interactions his had with people.

[Garmr]

Like skitter has decent lines of thought but it seems loaded with garbage made to seem like solid logical thought

I can totally agree they are hollow and trash But I noticed your reads and reasoning was really similar(Sausade and I) So I started looking at the differences and only found one

Flavour-Town for gamma/scum Skitter

Tic Toc Scum Gamma/town Skitter

Skitter has more reads than gamma. But I feel Gamma like I can guess some from the interactions his had with people.

edit missed the read change on first pass through of skitters Iso Kinda deflates my original point through.

[Garmr]

Also Skitter read progression on tic tac feels weird.

I don't particularly like fl, garmr, or tictac. I dont like the wagon they're pushing

i don't get the tictac wagon

town:
skellen, saudade, probably gamma, probably una, probably maria, probably january, probably tictac,

Since Tic Tac as player hasn't really changed much from the start. His reads while progressed are consistent and the reason she scum read him hasn't changed. T

[Garmr]

Man I posted instead of preview. But I will finish.


The only thing that has changed is over players reads of tic tac. It kinda feels like her reads were adjusting to the environment instead of the views on the player. Because i find it hard to believe she doesn't understand the tic tac wagon when she found him scummy earlier on.

[Garmr]

Can you guys not be trash

I feel this.

[Garmr]

I feel his going to flip town.

[Garmr]

Your feelings dont give us much to work with Grammar

Gut, the fact if his scum he is limiting himself if his scum early on,he feels a bit different than last game and the way his wagon sprung.

[Garmr]

I haven’t gotten annoyed in a game in a long time.

Absolutely don’t give a fuck anymore.

Lynch me, be bad. I will consistently bring up afterwards. This is pure paranoia. The player who can read me the best is literally town reading me strongly, so no, it’s absolutely 100% not even me.

On my flip, you’ll see my claim is real too.

It’s just y’all being trashy

ok

why are we being trash, and why is this entirely paranoia based?

This assumes your town and and flavour is town but your entire scum list is town therefore trash.

not town:
flavor, garmr

[Garmr]

But what if skitter is not trash but really really good and you're both scum???

What if you are the trash scum getting caught on day 1 ):

Well I personally know I'm town and last game where I was scum skitter town read me. She only scum read me day 2 because everyone started town reading me(all town btw) and her paranoia kicked in. Also lost that game because of the unapproved heavily town leaning set up

which the mod got banned from modding for two weeks

and solid townies (bob,tchill,ect) a emotional bomb (robb).

[Garmr]

But how do you know FL is town???

Better reads that's what I'm assuming.

[Garmr]

I dont understands whats the relation between what i asked you and what you answered

I don't see what you're asking then?

[Garmr]

I think my updated townbloc would be Gamma Skitter January now

other than Jan this town block is pretty trash.

[Garmr]

Your only contribution to this game so far Garmr was to bully Robb out of the game so I could have a solid townread in skitter30 due to his replacement

Well your obviously not reading the game. Robb came after me I made one joke and he flipped his shit. I also didn't bully robb out I would of stopped everything after the joke but he wanted to continue it. Maybe robb is your friend,bff,brother,father,gay lover, all the above at the same time. But if you think I bullied him out the game even with your bias it makes me question your reading comprehension which extends to your ability to play mafia.

Also I contributed a lot more than that. I've caused people to take stances on me like I'm one of the most decisive players here, I've communicated and talked with people. I'm literally one of the people driving this game forwarded and what have you done?

Make a artificial town block no agrees with? Even the people in your town block are wary of of each other not to mention there's a high chance one is scum.


I can safely say half of my now 72 posts have more substance to them alone than your 167 post in this game put together. But hey your a high fluff player who people try to read off tone because it's impossible to make a read on content if none exists in the first place.

[Garmr]

Put all this effort in finding scum not in winning an internet argument with me

I am finding scum, just because my opinions are different than yours doesn't mean I'm not doing anything. But you do have a solid point about the internet argument there's no point being drawn into another one.

[Garmr]

You can have an opinion but you dont get to call mine trash and have the audacity to not explain yourself

How does that make you feel?

[Garmr]

Posts 730 and 731 describe how i feel

So the feelings mutual how nice.

[Garmr]

@Unabomber

You said you struggle to read me right.

I guess Tictac could be an OK lynch..if their wagon wasn't full of players I do not currently trust.

tictac [3]: Gamma Emerald, MariaR, Dunnstral

Bar Mariar who is flaking and I have no clue about you seem to share a common reads with me about the tic toc wagon.

So i'm going to split this up into two parts
1-who's most likey scum if Tic TOc is town in this list.

2-Is there scum if tictoc is scum in this list?

I would say Gamma has most risk of flipping scum here but that's my personal opinion.

[Garmr]

tictac [4]:

Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, MariaR, Dunnstral

Do remember, at the time of that post from me that you quoted, the wagon was like that^^. Not just the three names you quoted.

1-who's most likey scum if Tic TOc is town in this list.

Boon and/or MariaR. It's easier to brush off a potential misread by Maria here due to her not being very active in the game as of now, but I'd argue that she has taken an "easy" wagon here on tictoc.
Boon isn't playing like someone with his claimed role should - it would be silly to argue anything else - and I got a scummy vibe off of him.
And when I said "I do not currently trust", I really meant it just like that. Not that all

four

of them are scum, but that I thought there was one or two scum there. So Boon +/ Maria.

2-Is there scum if tictoc is scum in this list?

I'm not sure what to think of Maria in that scenario.
If TicToc is scum, surely Maria could've gotten a correct hunch I missed completely.
Same for Boon obviously,

with the exception that he already jumped off the wagon.

So him being on it THEN might actually mean more IF TicToc were to flip, and were to flip red.
Maybe he was worried that the wagon could push all the way through once Maria and Dunn both joined him.

I would say Gamma has most risk of flipping scum here but that's my personal opinion.

I felt a disturbance in the force when Boon and Gamma were bonding earlier. Not sure what caused it, but I have no trouble believing any variation of S/T between the two.

With the scenario of Town!Boon / Scum!Gamma being the least likely imo.

If Boon is town, I'd argue that Gamma is town.

I had really good vibes about boon early game but his mid-now is kinda neutral. I also think his lying about his role But I don't think lying = scum in this case as it would be bad to lie with a claim like that Therefore he probably is a power role who's trying to manipulate how how other power roles interact with that claim. Sorry it was tangent yet somewhat related.

If Tic is town or scum-
Game entire reason is tics reactionary posting style. and there's nothing that excludes him from being scum in both scenarios.

I was going to post a bigger post but I don't feel so well so I'm going to sleep. I'm cutting this short and filll the rest tommrow.

[Garmr]

@Garmr:
What is it that is bothering you about Gamma? By going through your ISO it feels it's mostly for his reasoning for voting you and maybe his reasoning for voting tictac(?) and by certain interactions. Why do these come from scum and not "bad town"? Not really getting the scum vibes there.

I been contemplating it but it feels weird gamma would scum read me for that after all we been through together he knows my personality is the type to do that as both alignment and he never had a point to scum read me after that.

[Garmr]

Kinda surprised garmr didnt comment on me tho

Hmm comment on what?

[Garmr]

I forgot about wakes existence. I was town reading him earlier but now his gone?

[Garmr]

I

n post 403, Garmr wrote:
Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

Why would I ever answer this question?

Una and Non are people I'd also vote. But yeah there's a catch up woo.

Well since you literally answered this for me. How do you feel them softing you as a potential mason partner when they are not.

[Garmr]

Also why didn't you actually answer with their not a mason with me? I mean I'd be suspicious as hell of someone softing masons with me as town with out the role.

[Garmr]

Kinda surprised garmr didnt comment on me tho

Hmm comment on what?

The fact that i'm voting you rn

It's not like a big surprise you claim to scum read me with bs reasoning so it's only matter of time to vote me again. The only thing is do you realistically expect to get a wagon to lynch me with that flimsy reasoning. Maybe you'd get a flash end of the day compromise which shouldn't happen if your lucky but honestly it just looks like your pretending to do something at the moment.

[Garmr]

Was thinking about skitters motivations for voting me over Flavour despite flavour being a scum read that is close to being lynched. I can think of two.

1-Flavours town and she doesn't want to be on the mislynch and her scum team has piled on it.

2-I'm wrong about flavour and she's scum with flavour.

VOTE: Skitter

[Garmr]

i think garmr is just from another planet, I never understand him in any of the games I've played with him

Fuck his catching on.

be back home soon.

[Garmr]

My current scum/lynch list is

Skitter,Mariar and 1 of my nulls being Non/Dunn/Una/gamma/tic ta.

These two I don't really want to lynch right now

Gamma-

Been thinking about gamma being bad town after someone brought it up to me and it is pretty possible. I just hold gamma in very high regard because of my past experiences with him which is why I hinted at being a power role to him in my last game.

Tic tac-

all the bad people have been touching him

The others I am fine with lynching.

Mariar I scum read for pretty much one reasons.

I

n post 403, Garmr wrote:
Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

Why would I ever answer this question?

Una and Non are people I'd also vote. But yeah there's a catch up woo.

Well since you literally answered this for me. How do you feel them softing you as a potential mason partner when they are not.

I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.

Every scenario I can think up comes from the motivation Oh not wanting to tie yourself to non and make sure people don't think about it. But why would town who have to sort people want people to forgot something that happened. I can Only think of reasons for scum so that's why she's on my list.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Mariar

[Garmr]

I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.

Every scenario I can think up comes from the motivation Oh not wanting to tie yourself to non and make sure people don't think about it. But why would town who have to sort people want people to forgot something that happened. I can Only think of reasons for scum so that's why she's on my list.

I can get your angle here to an extent as certain characters might react pretty harsh against Non, but why has it to be scummy? Like I can also think of reasons why town would treat Non as Maria did. Why wouldn't scum!Maria want to be tied to Non? In consequence what would it mean for the Non slot if scum!Maria does want to distance herself from him? Apparently I would assume that both are scum, so if you are going by that assumption I could get it, although then I don't see why Maria wouldn't play along with Non (who even doubled down on it before his repout). Unless Non was just trolling. Like I think any townie that ties himself to scum is rather useful for scum to take advantage of instead of pushing them away.

There's a lack of non town reads and non was probably going to get themselves lynched or vigged. Also if mariar started playing and non flipped on her then she would be put in a bad situation where both of them would be on the table. 1 for 1 is always a win for town unless in lylo. Scum who can only think in short term may play along. I don't know where I got the impression from but I assume mariar is smart. There is to much risk.

I can't think of a reason town would try and hush the situation then debunk it on the down low.

[Garmr]

i don't think i've had any super flashy scum wins this year, but my scumgame's improved loads

have you officially been nommed for don carleone?

if this is your improved scum game how bad was it before?

[Garmr]

@wake

VOTE: Dunnstral

That being said they didn't really reply to my questions to them and avoided a take on our little event.

Is this still a thing or no?

I guess I been caught up in other people. So i'm willing to vote them but I'd like my other two votes first.

[Garmr]

Garmr just dealt with ScumMe recently, so he should have a fresh intake on scumMe.

I also would like to see your input on this one Garmr.

I town read him day 1 but latter it was complicated I scum read his play in latter days but his claim made me think he was town as he claimed doc with a whole bunch of town macho and ascetic roles. His real role let him fake claim doc if caught.

[Garmr]

I think Skitter is True Blue scum.

[Garmr]

Garmr just dealt with ScumMe recently, so he should have a fresh intake on scumMe.

I also would like to see your input on this one Garmr.

I town read him day 1 but latter it was complicated I scum read his play in latter days but his claim made me think he was town as he claimed doc with a whole bunch of town macho and ascetic roles. His real role let him fake claim doc if caught.

... so you have expereince with him fake-claiming too ...

Difference is he doesn't feel scummy to me but if he is fake claiming then his real role would revolve around his fake claim.

[Garmr]

tictac [0]:[/b]
]Wake88 [0]:[/b]
Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf

[7] [LYNCH]:[/b] UnaBombaH, tictac, Looker, Skellen, Dunnstral, Sujimichi, Saudade
]skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [0]
january [0]
]Looker [2]:

Garmr,

Wake88
]Dunnstral [3]: skitter30,

Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald

Sujimichi [0]
UnaBombaH [0]:
Gamma Emerald [0]:
Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [1]: january

I think there is atleast one scum off the wagon. I'm also contemplating if a majority of the flavour wagon was just shit town and how many scum were on it But I think I'd have a easier time breaking down off the wagon. Also I personally know that I'm town so 3 of the 6 are town (me and the two dead townies) in pov. So I'm going to take a angle most don't think of the reasoning to not vote flavour.

So I'll start with the one I town read January.
She was seemed genuinely conflicted on flavour slot and latter on pushed for a lynch on someone else. Since everything comes across as genuine. I been town reading her since day 1 as well so there's that.

then there's these 2 suss ones

Wake-He had flavour as townie most of the game but when claimed he shifted into this slot is scum. He didn't shift is vote onto Flavor and voted mariar instead.

Skitter-Pushed that flavour was scum all game, When I asked why she didn't Flavor said she didn't want to lynch a town power role, Continues to push flavor as scum and the claim might be true. If she thinks flavor is scum why is her reasoning not to vote him being a town power role? The attempt to make a wagon else wehere looks limp especially when she said flavor is probably scum and keeped that opinion.

VOTE: Skitter

[Garmr]

skitty is scum
VOTE: skitter30

Told you yesterday

[Garmr]

btw the thought on wake if not clear is I thought the he handle flavor is scummy but I think his play before that was null-town. So weighing it was a slip or if i'm looking to far into things.

[Garmr]

the way he handled* So weighing it up if it was*

[Garmr]

I think there is atleast one scum off the wagon.

I think there's at least one scum onwagon, probably two

yeah but the mislynch pool is smaller off the wagon even if it was 1 scum on.

[Garmr]

Skitter-Pushed that flavour was scum all game, When I asked why she didn't Flavor said she didn't want to lynch a town power role, Continues to push flavor as scum and the claim might be true.

If she thinks flavor is scum why is her reasoning not to vote him being a town power role?

The attempt to make a wagon else wehere looks limp especially when she said flavor is probably scum and keeped that opinion.

At eod i was getting cold feet since he wasnt protesting enough to be scum

Also i didnt want to risk a tpr

So i looked for other alternatives

Also i dont get the bolded

Why were you on looker at eod exactly?

Looker=mariah

[Garmr]

Looker=mariah

Yes, i'm aware. Why were on maria at eod?

I mean it's pretty obvious I had flavor as one of my top town reads so I wasn't going to vote him. Mariah had a bit of support of people saying they would vote her but no one was voting so I was testing the waters and seeing if people who scum read her would vote over the obvi town flavor her no one except wake switched.

[Garmr]

Why didnt you switch to Dunn? You tr him?

Nah wanted mariah dead more.

[Garmr]

Did think about it through.

[Garmr]

btw the thought on wake if not clear is I thought the he handle flavor is scummy but I think his play before that was null-town. So weighing it was a slip or if i'm looking to far into things.

I get your read, but I don't get what slip you mean?

Slipped out that flavor was town in her thought process's.

[Garmr]

skitty is scum
VOTE: skitter30

u not gonna sheep leaf deathread?

skitt-scum/confident scumteam/doc-dodge
^one of these probs true, buti think jumping to skitt-scum is too early.

Why would anyone in their right mind doc skitter? She was scummy asf yesterday.

[Garmr]

Skitter you didn't mention receiving any of my fruit last night. Just going to confirm this.

[Garmr]

Skitter you didn't mention receiving any of my fruit last night. Just going to confirm this.

I dont particularly want to answer this at this time

Why not?

[Garmr]

i don't have a particularly compelling reason to

well I want you to anwser.

[Garmr]

bad news for you garmr
she doesn't have to answer

if she doesn't she's scum confirmed.

[Garmr]

bad news for you garmr
she doesn't have to answer

if she doesn't she's scum confirmed.

are you claiming friendly fruit vendor then?

Bad news Jan I don't have to anwser that.

[Garmr]

Jan went full shifty when I asked skitter if she got my fruit

[Garmr]

How can you townread that thing

I don't tbh their in my scum but I don't want to touch it because how dirty a litter is.

[Garmr]

Jan I'm curious why are you treating it like I have a guilty on Skitter what happens if I town clear her. I don't know.

[Garmr]

Jan and skitter I think are partners or some sort of communication as she is defending skit and being vocal about it.

[Garmr]

I am just going to out this here I'm not a fruit vendor. I was seeing if skit would lie or not. I didn't expect a chainsaw from you and skit refusing to anwser. You also treated it like I had a guilty on skit and it was going to go down that way. You seem to operate on knowledge that town doesn't have.

[Garmr]

And you out this information for mafia to see because?

the gambit is done.

[Garmr]

And you out this information for mafia to see because?

they are the mafia.

[Garmr]

If the next person to post doesnt vote Dunn i will be so upset

VOTE: Dunn

Can you STFU up now.

[Garmr]

After going through Gamma's ISO I am more inclined to think he was killed for just being townie. Going by his reads it would incriminate Dunn, Garmr and tictac. Not necessarily a bad direction, but wifomy though.

If anything else I think he was the only one who was vocally townreading the Maria slot, so a hot take might be that the Gamma kill doesn't necessarily come from that slot, but since Maria was already replaced, eh. The Maria/Looker slot is the only slot I am null about, hope to see more from him.

it also incrimates a litter because he was starting to think voting me might of been a mistake.

[Garmr]

I honestly think being open to voting Garmr was a mistake, I feel like in the present moment Skitter has greater scum equity than him, so to take that type of olive branch was a bad call on my part.

[Garmr]

if ya think garm is a complex scum fruitvendor, how does him saying he isn't a fruitvendor make it okay to tell him ya didn't get fruit?

Because he said he didnt send and i was p sure he was bluffing to begin with

if you sure I was bluffing why not anwser and call my bluff.

[Garmr]

if ya think garm is a complex scum fruitvendor, how does him saying he isn't a fruitvendor make it okay to tell him ya didn't get fruit?

Because he said he didnt send and i was p sure he was bluffing to begin with

if you sure I was bluffing why not anwser and call my bluff.

Because if you werent i feel like there was a p good chance you were rolefishing

What were you trying to get out of this even?

Because I thought you we're dumb enough to anwser yes I got fruit if you were scum.

[Garmr]

were*

[Garmr]

I mean, really ...

You made an a reaction test that i'd have to be an idiot to fail
And somehow i'm scummy for being suspicious of your motivations

Do i have that right?

Well tbh before this game I wouldn't of treated you like one. But the way you been obvious scumming I thought it may work.

Refusing to anwser is still scummy. Because why the fuck would scum fruit vendor announce it. It becomes a 1v1 trade and people may claim fruit on there own.

Also you and Jan took ages to come up with he may be complex. Jans initial reaction was I was going to fake a guilty.

Also Jan doesn't know if I am town or scum so her reaction should of got you to claim fruit and then lynch me. because no matter the situation it would of been a 1v1 trade. This means Jan knows your alignment and doesn't need the info.

[Garmr]

their* phone auto correct

[Garmr]

Boy I cant wait for Dunn to come back and weigh in on all this

lol this made me chuckle.

[Garmr]

What do you think of wake?

@garmr

Maybe if you read my posts you'd know

[Garmr]

Why are all of you so scummy ...

Maybe we are just town and your the scum.

[Garmr]

Serious note if you are town maybe you start revaulating what is town and what is scum when you read people. Because your wrong on me and your continuing to get stuck on me.

I've been thinking about if your just shit town or not. If you are Jan would be higher in my read list as it seems like she's pocketing you.

[Garmr]

Does anyone scumread me(mason) btw?

Looker thinks me and you are a team combo

[Garmr]

Do you have me confused with someone else? Maybe that was a joke.

sorry you and una look the same. Lol I don't know why I keep mixxing up una with other people.

[Garmr]

Just going to add Skellen shouldn't be forgotten. She did this last game as scum. She towned it up in a couple of posts and then came around from time to time to keep the impression up. So I'm a little wary of her at the moment.

[Garmr]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

[Garmr]

ok actually i'm lazy and i'll just include pt 2 while explaining my reads

Skellen shouldn't be forgotten

i don't think anyone was forgetting them..

No ones pushing them or Done anything noticeable with her.

[Garmr]

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

I havent been mislynched in like a year and a half, so ... no

Your reads are like upside-down to mine, and i find this concerning

But we agree on Dunn. I think everyone agree's on dunn.

Also you should find it concerning if you are town. Because it means I'm right and your wrong. Well at least with flavor. I was starting to warm up to gamma. Can't believe he scum read me for such shit reasoning.

[Garmr]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

I think you're misreading everything lol

i did not never considered that you were town ( i did consider you could be town )
i don't believe i even ever said you were scum for the gambit

here's how i explained it earlier

if you were scum complex/simple fruit vendor then clearly it’s better for skit not to claim? i townread skit more than i townread you, so i don’t think it’s worth her potentially outing as PR just so that YOU can say whether she’s town or not (which isn’t confirmed at all imo anyways)? does this make sense?
basically her outing the fruit would mean that i’m relying on your word to confirm whether she’s town or not, and i tr her more than you so that wouldn’t be very helpful

i know this was badly worded (everything i say is badly worded sorry)

the possible situations are:
1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

given that I think #1 & #2 are the most likely, and there is virtually no utility for skit to claim if #2 is true, and negative utility for skit to claim if #1 is true
therefore it is better for skit not to claim

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

[Garmr]

just lynch dunn and if hes town then hes town lmao

Could be town don't really care atm.

[Garmr]

merry Christmas all

[Garmr]

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

u really just don’t want to read and that’s ok! i know it was long but did you read the part where i said you could be town?
probably not but i don’t know why i’m required to townread you just because i gave a townread on you on d1

reads change, doesn’t mean i’m inconsistent
maybe it means you’re just scummy today and i was wrong yesterday

Yeah reads change like how I scum read you. The problem is a lack of reasoning you have trouble going from point A to Point B. A fruit claim can come from either alignment and isn't alignment indicative. The natural reaction to someone asking for fruit isn't they are scum. It's obvious I scum read skitter since day 1. Thus your reaction was your failure as a scum player to get in the mind set of townie.

[Garmr]

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

again because it was apparent at that point that there was no fruit

it didn't matter at that point, i wasn't telling him anything

If I was scum and a fruit vendor and said I was gambiting I would of tricked you into leaking out the information. If you said iIgot a fruit Then I could of been like aha I knew you got it you are town or guilty ect what ever suited my narrative.

So if you are town you slipped up if you actually thought I was scum fruit vendor. Luckily for you I'm town and fruit vendor isn't my role.

[Garmr]

i know i didn't get fruit

you eventually said it was a gambit and that there was, in fact, no fruit

at that point i said i didn't get fruit

i wasnt' giving anybody new information at that point.

Yeah your not getting it. If i'm scum I could of been lying about it being a gambit so you'd let your guard down and give the Answer. But your lucky because I'm town and it as a gambit.

[Garmr]

i know of like one person who does gambits that complex and you're not them so

You just saw me gambit last game and it nearly paid off but the mod shit up gave scum false info and was really unbalanced. Also you don't know me at all then because everything you said about this game is completely wrong.

[Garmr]

the mod shit set up*

[Garmr]

Also that gambit isn't complex unless your a simpleton.

[Garmr]

Just going to add Skellen shouldn't be forgotten. She did this last game as scum. She towned it up in a couple of posts and then came around from time to time to keep the impression up. So I'm a little wary of her at the moment.

Finally something from you into my direction.
Tbh I don't think I have been really townie this game, but it interests me what makes you wary about me. Anything particular or is that stance more based on my thread presence?

Also why are you on the Dunn wagon? If I go by #1536 you doesn't seem to be really convinced of scum!Dunn.

I'm unsure whether they are or scum since they post no content, so better to get rid of the risk. I did find them scummy day 1 through. When skitter defend them then did a 180 I think there is something there. Just not sure it's skitter trying to look good in vca by voting a scum buddy or setting up the next mislynch on town. I'm going to say the former judging by today.

[Garmr]

@skellen what do you think of jans reaction to this and her forced scum read on me.

[Garmr]

Just going to add Skellen shouldn't be forgotten. She did this last game as scum. She towned it up in a couple of posts and then came around from time to time to keep the impression up. So I'm a little wary of her at the moment.

Is this shade now then?
Because it sort of feels familiar..

It's caution skellen will tell you herself.

[Garmr]

What do you mean by fences? Are you asserting potential scum pairs?

People often talk about scum-pairs.
I like to think of it as a "milder" stage of pairing. Individuals who seem to share an agenda/perspective.
Doesn't always mean they are town/scum together, but helps me understand some trajectories better.
Also makes it more clear to me when someone changes their stance drastically, so I like to write them up.

And who knows? Maybe some conversation could be stirred up every once in a while as well.

I think you're scum. Discuss

Oh cool so una is town then. I found them hard to read but thanks for clarifying that.

[Garmr]

Is Dunn still at L-1? I refuse to vote him, but I think at least a claim is in order.

This makes no sense to me.
Absolutely refusing to vote, but asking for a claim?
That's just rolefishing.
In to the scumbin you go.

I think scum are less likely to blatantly role hunt than curious town.

[Garmr]

Thank you scum for shooting someone I was weary of.

[Garmr]

Ok not the kill i was expecting at all

Tictac you need to explain the hammer

Today is probably massclaim day

Agree with this. Despite it being skitter.

[Garmr]

I reckon there's one scum in jan/wake but I don't think they are together.

[Garmr]

Did they think he was a pr ?
Like i'm confused who shoots una there

Probs either that or town is fighting amongst themselves and town reading scum.

[Garmr]

What do you think of tictac's hammer?

Meh the slot deserved to be hammered tbh. Contributed nothing to the game a waste of space.

I think what's more interesting is how they took my side when I was going at you. Could be scum buddying me or just a townie that thinks your full of bs. Starting to think it's the former. I been thinking we both might both be town and scum been like this

[Garmr]

Interesting.

I am going last

Nah You can go halfway through.

[Garmr]

Guesswhat im going to claim boys

Unloyal Vigilante

[Garmr]

I was making a joke about Sausade role. People are dense....

[Garmr]

Garmr did you claim?

No

[Garmr]

Ok do u wanna or ...

Meh I wanna say after you just cause you wanna go last.

[Garmr]

Just claim i dont think anyone will pull a big play here

vt

[Garmr]

I still think jan should be lynched soon.

[Garmr]

VOTE: looker
someone join me i gave my reasons yesterday and nothing has changed

also i’m holding back on claiming til later
take that however u want (:

I'd prefer to wagon tictac

Not sure i like that you want to hold off

Notice how tic tac was a scum read early on but doesn't vote him. In fact she voted like no one day 1.

[Garmr]

You wanna vote tictac?

I'm up for it but I am waiting for all the claims.

[Garmr]

The only people who want to hold off are town power roles and scum.

[Garmr]

I'm guessing Jans in a neighbourhood with skitter. Judging by the interactions between the two.

[Garmr]

Wanna guess what I am Garmr

I don't know??? I give up.

[Garmr]

So yeah this is boring

[Garmr]

this is taking way too long
happy holidays everyone

i’m loyal motion detector, got motion on skit n1 which clears her as town
was softing + crumbing that on day 2
have fun finding the crumbs if you want, i’ll point em out later
u have no idea how hard it was to come up with reasons to townread her as a soft... i could have sworn she was scum after d1 lol

no result on looker n2 which is why i’m voting them
gave them a chance to claim ascetic or whatever the role is that roleblocks whoever visits them but no more waiting

If you scum read her like me for her actions. what made it so hard to believe a town me would target her?

Also when I said it was a gambit you as town would of pressed harder. Not believing me
But instead you went for dun.

Things don't add up.

[Garmr]

Still want jans head.

[Garmr]

It's possible that jan is actually a scum motion detector with out the loyal bit or unloyal. If she is loyal and is scum that would mean skitter is scum as well. So when I said tell me if she got the fruit or not town jan would def buy into me using fruit on her during it. So her scum motivation for not wanting skitter cleared is so she can do this clear one today and try to get townie points from it day 3 and a possible mislynch on me day 2.

Because there's still holes in jans thought process's

-Jan thought of skitter as scummy enough to use her ability on and knew I thought the same thing so the natural conclusion would be town is more likely to target skitter with some sort of role.

1-Jan saw motion go off so me saying it was just a gambit wold seem off since things happened that night.

2-Jan was town reading me the day before so a town me using a ability on Skitter is the first logical conclusion.

3-A fruit vendor with a loyal/unloyal modifir would fit in the theme of her role making it more believable for set up spec. It would be a set up full of gimped cops

I don't think Jan is a Unskilled newbie who wouldn't think of these things therefore the conclusion is she thought she could get a mislynch on me from what would potentially go down with me and skitter.

[Garmr]

Also her claiming now could be her trying to a pseudo power role hunt and get confirmation from that power role to make herself look more town.

[Garmr]

Also look at the alignment motivation to target skitter.

Skitter looked scummy as hell and majority of her reads (me and fl her only scum reads day 1) this game were atrocious. She ruined a slot that was practically town read by all with her play. If town she's played really poorly.

So do you know what Skit would draw? Town investigative power roles to investigate her. There's a lot of scum motivation to target skitter with a motion detector but what about town. If she really is loyal and a motion detector then she would expect town to target skitter more so than scum and gamble on skitter. She would have a innocent but to go into full defence and act like anyone that used a power on her is scum. The way she acted day 2 doesn't add up to how a real townie would act.

Fuck actually think about it this way. If she really is what she claimed town her would of held off the lynch on both of us because she could use her ability to sort me. But she pushed for my lynch instead of trying to use her so called loyal modifier to sort me. Because a 1v1 trade is really bad for scum and she had a way to guarantee it as town. In fact she would want a town skitter to answer so she could get guarantee a lynch on scum gambit if there was one and confirm me as town with her ability if she wasn't

VOTE: Jan

[Garmr]

Also on that topic she didn't mind FL lynch either she should of really pushed the fact we could of sorted him tomorrow after he uses his ability if she was town because she knew fl claimed a power role.

She then could of sorted who wanted him lynched.

[Garmr]

town!jan not gonna believe another loyal role exists. that's silly.
her claim makes town!her jumping to simple/complex theory on day 2 more likely, not less likely.

what would the point of pr-hunting be when we are in the middle of massclaims?

fl claiming stuff is 0 information. who would hard-oppose that lych?

Yeah nah. Just had a game with multiple of the same modifier. Macho. Mods like to use themes here. A bunch of gimped loyal roles is possible. Also didn't we have a simple/complex flip why would 2 of those be ok but not loyal?

[Garmr]

Yeah nah. Just had a game with multiple of the same modifier. Macho. Mods like to use themes here. A bunch of gimped loyal roles is possible. Also didn't we have a simple/complex flip why would 2 of those be ok but not loyal?

now that's site-meta. u right in that jan isn't new, but she's new to the site.
simple and complex are two different modifiers. loyal isn't.

Loyal and Unloyal. I didn't claim exactly what.

[Garmr]

her claim makes town!her jumping to simple/complex theory on day 2 more likely, not less likely.

Yes

I do not understand what garmr is pushing rn

You don't seem to understand much then.

[Garmr]

Yes, i am aware, all in good time. We wanted to out the masonry later but some people did not particularly like that, remember? So i claimed, they'll claim soon.

Looker first tho

You mean Skellen anyone else and I would consider it a scum claim.

[Garmr]

Yes, i am aware, all in good time. We wanted to out the masonry later but some people did not particularly like that, remember? So i claimed, they'll claim soon.

Looker first tho

You mean Skellen anyone else and I would consider it a scum claim.

I would prob lynch you over january rn

Also i'm befuddled why scum would rb january last night

Maybe she's lying and wasn't roleblocked.

[Garmr]

tictac [0]:
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf [7]

[LYNCH]:

UnaBombaH,

tictac, Looker,

Skellen, Dunnstral,

Sujimichi, Saudade
skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:
Looker [2]:

Garmr,

Wake88

Dunnstral [3]: skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald

Sujimichi [0]:
UnaBombaH [0]:
Gamma Emerald [0]:
Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [1]: january

With 13 in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-21 22:10:00)

The mislynch on dunnstral was town driven day 1.

If we randomly lynch with in the flavour leaf wagon we have a 50% chance of hitting scum. Since there is at least two in it. I would say Looker/maria slot would be scum.

[Garmr]

Yep. That's why our scumpool going into today was tictac/una/looker

Una died tho

And tictac lolhammered the dunn wagon

And looker is vla

I could do a tic tac lynch but going to be honest gut say he will flip town compared to the others. Lookers bs about thinking the votes would unvote when he replaced seems ungeunine. Also maria was scummy as fuck.

[Garmr]

What do you think of sausade being possible scum?

[Garmr]

He's townie for him

Was hoping you'd say his scummy because I had a townie feel on him. But using you as a gauge his probably scum.

[Garmr]

I'm not interested in him today

You missed the joke/jab

I'm saying we see who you town read/scum read and do the opposite and town will win.

[Garmr]

VOTE: garmr

Hey Skellen can you reign in skitter and explain my viewpoint to her. I don't seem to speak her language.

[Garmr]

Ya i dont get it.

Maybe looker is an ok vote too. We need suji to claim too

Like I said day 1 some get it some don't. You obviously don't. I can tell you just want to lynch what you don't understand.

[Garmr]

happy scum day Skellen.

[Garmr]

@Garmr:
One thing that actually interests me however is why Maria/Looker over Dunn on D1? skitter already asked you that kind of and you said you were considering it, but wanted Maria/Looker more and you wanted to see who else wanted to go there. If I remember it right you made a list on D1 with the players you would be ok lynching with and Dunn was one of them. Considering FL was one of your townreads, why wouldn't you vote together with him the counterwagon to him as it became apparent that the lynch would either hit FL or Dunn?

Like you said that january didn't do much to prevent the FL lynch despite not wanting that lynch with which I agree with considering nothing came from her when Saudade confronted her about an alternative (although I think she got genuinely surprised by Saudade immediately hammering), but on the other hand it bugs me that you didn't do that much either to prevent the FL lynch when the next best alternative to FL was someone you were ok with to lynch.

I wanted to get my lynch on my scummiest read rather than someone who was light scum read. Also skitter was a factor in not wanting to vote dunn. I think town should of followed me day 1. I was pushing hard for the maria lynch.

[Garmr]

Who am I left with...

Jan,Looker,wake and creature.

[Garmr]

I think I already know where I want to go:

VOTE: Garmr

got tells me that Creature may be lookers scum partner this is my initial reaction.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Looker

[Garmr]

so are you still calling me third maf or what

Yeah I find you scummy still.

[Garmr]

anyways on that topic..

i'm

actually

pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them

odd

setup but i think it’d be way too unbalanced without some way to counter loyal modifier

night

kill will probably be me but if there’s a protective role save me

only
so the looker soft-guilty thing was fake to get some kind of reaction

tbh not exactly sure what I was expecting but felt like i had to do something besides just claim normally (lol)
i expected the vote today to be between me and looker but there's nearly no traction
i think this is maf anyways but his partners are trying to get the lynch onto someone else

I don't like how convenient this is, but I'm extremely biased. If Skellen had not challenged you, at what point would you have revealed that you were

actually fucking lying

.

I think I already know where I want to go:

VOTE: Garmr

got tells me that Creature may be lookers scum partner this is my initial reaction.

VOTE: Looker

Is this some kind of indirect OMGUS?

I had you as a scum read in post 1783 and was scum reading your slot day 1 day 2 I got caught up in skitter.

Also just noticed Jan faked a guilty on you???????

[Garmr]

Also just noticed Jan faked a guilty on you???????

lol.
soft-guilty, but still.

Can you linked the post because i missed it.

[Garmr]

That actually makes me want to leave jan alive for tonight.

[Garmr]

that way if she's telling the truth she will sponge a bullet keeping masons alive or clear someone.

[Garmr]

I think she should randomly investigate someone in the block of the day one lynch of flavor.

[Garmr]

so are you still calling me third maf or what

Yeah I find you scummy still.

So you are/were considering that january would claim a fake guilty on her partner and bus him one day before lylo. Why would she do that?

Individually they are scummy probs not a team also I read a game were mafia shot their partner and claimed to be vig sooooo.

[Garmr]

so the implication here is initially thinking it's day 1 and not knowing the number of scum.
pretty clearly a town mistake, if it's genuine.
faking it seems kinda advanced for Creature, but I have like a half a games worth of super-old meta on him, so comments from folks with more C-exp would be appreciated.

If I assume you are still scum on Looker and with calling Creature town here for that, who would be Looker's partners then?

well, poe would put me at [wake, looker, saudade]
however saud has looked a lot better on day 3, so dunno.
if i can townlock Creature i'd probs feel okay reversing on garm on strength of skitt+creature combined read, since both have a rep for accuracy.
i dunno if i can townlock him tho, which is why i asked for feedback.

Creature is like 50/50 on me as scum but we had like two games were I was scum one off site. Also I belong beyond Skitts understanding and the only time she scum read me correctly was after when she was paranoid about everyone else town reading me to easily after town reading me herself and the mod making the game auto win for town demovating the scum players with false information and heavily favouring town with power roles that he got banned for the set up (still a little bitter with the set up but he atleast keeped good vote counts so a decent mod bar that set up.)

[Garmr]

garmr so scummy get him tomorrow ok

If you think this is scummy i suggest to go back to newbies

[Garmr]

looking forward to playing with u in the next newbie!

Probably not since I'm not a good teacher so I leave the S.E role to people who can.

[Garmr]

the mason claim is true

what do you think of a garmr/tictac/looker team?

wait you think that's a viable team I get me and tic tac since we were jiving. But me and looker? you do know that's mariar slot right.