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[skitter30]

Bleh nicholai is scummy again.
I guess i dont really want to lynch penguin today
Penguin did you answer if you know if the strongman is gated?

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Sigh ok

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Probably town

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Idk like ~75% i would say

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I guess? I feel like 75% confident

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I thought bob man good?

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I mean how am i supposed to answer that question already ... ?

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It isn’t like Kerset has two votes.

How do you know they're a double-voter??

FoS

I don’t know if they are a double voter. I said as much in the post you quoted too. Why FOS?

It's a joke/meme/not serious post

[skitter30]

Maybe a50 is town

[skitter30]

Looker is maybe town

Still not following where you get those reads? Was it bc they asked BBM about his avatar? Id that AI for them??

Idk sometimes either

I think it was tone and that was still the stage of the game where nothing was happening so i was grasping for straws a bit and looking for anything ai

Looking again i dont particularly see anything townie around there

[skitter30]

The fact that this day 1 is hard likely means whoever the better players are in the game are actually scum

so whose the best players in this game

sure as fuck isn't me

skitter have you been keeping me in a house of lies

I wonder if the paranoia rate will go down when the banner goes away?

Unfortunately i think looker's post was kinda townie (maybe ?)

And bob i cant tell if you addressed your post to me or not

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Sigh

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Sigh

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Pops is still probably my strongest tr
Followed by a50

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Sigh

Yeah i have like no idea how to play this

[skitter30]

I guess at this point ... can we not end the day until i figure out what to do ?

Trying to minimize the clusterfuck

[skitter30]

it's fine, he's town

[skitter30]

I can see a protective and vig being in the setup together but skitter cant see protective, vig and her role together

bg + vig + me + strongman is asinine, yes

[skitter30]

I'm not liking the Turkey. That said, I'm not liking Nicholai/BBmolla/Frank/Looker either. I'd be alright lynching any of them 5 tbh. profii should also be shooting in that pool (and that's as close as I'm going to be about "leashing" a Town Vig)

That's a sufficient pool

[skitter30]

I can see a protective and vig being in the setup together but skitter cant see protective, vig and her role together

bg + vig + me + strongman is asinine, yes

So we have a risk reward vig pool here then

Maybe i wanted leashing so that we all dont hit the same target

[skitter30]

I guess at this point ... can we not end the day until i figure out what to do ?

Trying to minimize the clusterfuck

Can we not keep suggesting to the town to slow down please?

I'm p sure y'all want this too, you just dont know it yet

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

Rb is townie in the past few pages
(At least, i think in aggregate? There were some bits that pinged me). I need a vc before deciding where to vote

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

Rb is townie in the past few pages
(At least, i think in aggregate? There were some bits that pinged me). I need a vc before deciding where to vote

Why do you need the Vc to decide where to go? This seems very much like a skitter that isn’t actually scumhunting, but just wants to build wagons.

Because i dont know where the votes are and i dont know where to vote

Ok.

Frank is town
Proffi is provisionally town
A50 is town
Pp is provisionally town
Pops and rb are probably town
Looker might be too but i dont like it

@a50 how would you feel about voting gobble?

[skitter30]

I mean for fucks sake we might as well mass claim with the way roles have gone down so far.

I was thinking this ngl

[skitter30]

Ok

VOTE: gobble

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Sigh

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Skitter is not a town person who needs to see a vc to see where to vote. She’s literally just looking for the path of least resistance.
She isn’t one to need another person to vote someone to move her vote there.
She isn’t one to OMGUS instantly like that.

You have approximately no idea how to read me if this is what you're basing the read on or how you think i vote

It wasnt really omgus

[skitter30]

I also don’t think she is one to want mass claim especially AS a power role like she insinuated earlier. This is scum.

At this point can we just assume that i know more about the setup than you ?

And this setup is asinine and i think will lead to a mechanical clusterfuck if like 4 people dont work together so

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How do you go from needing to see the vc, to asking a50 to vote me, to voting me after I vote you and it not being omgus? Did you just magically get conviction

Ya apparently

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I didnt but i think it can be kinda apparent at this point

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Sigh

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Ya i'm fine with this vote

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Ya i didnt get that post

If we want to discuss the validity/import of crumbs, that wasnt a good one and isnt credible coming at the point it did

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It's the timing, you did it like after there were like 3 other pr softs, it would have been more believable on like p2

I dont have crumbs but when i claimed i can literally walk through every post i made in the proffi/pp things, and explain ehat i was thinking at the time and why, and how it related to my role, which i think is roughly equivalent

[skitter30]

Sigh

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Can we not vig me please ...
Would much rather get wagoned

[skitter30]

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea but i'm not sure scum!pp comes up with the idea to claim he's informed that there's a strongman

At the same time i'm wondering if he's the strongman

Bleh

[skitter30]

Ahuahananab this setup

[skitter30]

Ok i'm going to be on gobble tonight, i guess

I cant even think of a way to try to coordinate all of this so that scum cant fuck with it

VOTE: kerset

[skitter30]

Because i dont know who to vote for and i dont townread them

[skitter30]

I wish I had played with town!skitter before to be more sure, but I expect town!skitter not to play a game of mafia so sloppily

Yeah maybe if the setup wasnt ridiculous i would have a better idea as to how to play this properly but i'm doing my best here

We're not lynching me today. If you need to run me up to l-1 to get me to claim, fine i guess, but dont lynch me without a claim

Still on gobble tonight
And i'm not going to be around again until tomorrow night

[skitter30]

I also found it bizarre that she listed rb and myself in the same line of her readslist. I haven't seen play from rb that are more towny than his early game, lately, let alone so towny it would suddenly tie "I townread pops the most"

Trying to townbloc was townie imo
You've been less townie and i'm getting paranoid

[skitter30]

Fine. Weak doctor, since i dont want this to go to a lynch while i'm not here

From my pov vig + me interact horrifically and i dont want to overlap proffi's target and i dont want to be vigged since i need my death to be as unambiguous as possible. Hence the i tr pops the most thing, i was trying to indicate where i was going to be for when people looked back there, and why i didnt want the day to end before i sorted out where i was going to act

Vig + me + bg + strongman + jk is asinine and i cant even get clears from not dying since now there's a jk apparently, and like it's a mess that all works against each other.

I dont even know if i'm supposed to be trying to suicide, protect profii or idk, or what this role is even trying to do in this setup, since it can interact so poorly with like everything

I've already asked, strongman + doc + bg leads to the person being targeted dying, and the bg does not

My best night action at this point is on pp or gobble i think so if they're scum i just die and if i dont they're town except for the that if gobble is scum he's going to interfere so i get false clears

So like, yeah. And i was just antcipating me getting nk'd the same night i got vigged and leading to an insane amount of wifom for you lot regarding my target and i was trying to prevent that from happening as much as i could but apparently i did a poor job of it

And i didnt want to mess with proffi because if he is town and we target the same person i can 'unclear' him by mistake, so to speak. I just wanted to know where you were so that i would know where not to be. That was why i wanted leashing.

Also i didnt think there was a scum doc because, well, i'm a doc that already messes with proffi

Ok really bouncing now
Wont be back till tomorrow night

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VOTE: gobbledygook

I have made a horrific mistake unintentionally that I cannot explain right now due to site rules. But I have been playing under the assumption that I was one role when in reality I am another. I will take this L as such a massive mess up.

I don’t know what to think anymore about skitter or anyone. I will say that Pp withholding the strongman stuff is pretty weird and would be my first look.

um ....

a) i basically claimed because from my pov the setup had become ridiculous to the point of becoming literally nonsensical due to the jk claim and like no one else was seeing that so people started wagoning me for having a bizarre pov

b) the last time i saw someone do exactly this they were scum (you were even in that game ffs )

c) i now have no idea if i should be putting any weight into like anything you've done until now

and i'm mostly pissed about the fake jk thing
i'm actually really pissed about the fake jk thing

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wao.


Can someone who's played more normals than me tell me whether it's possible for all the non-rescinded claims to be true?

do you, like, see my problem now ... ?
as each claim happened i was like .... wtf, none of these make sense together

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I'm so confused

Gobble do you feel able to play to the wincon in your role pm right now?

he's basically insinuating he read the role pm for another game and thought that this was his role in this game, he reread his role pm and realized he was wrong
i do not entirely believe that

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VOTE: PP

I don’t think he forgets to put that info about strongman as town.

i find it harder to believe that he would fake-claim that as scum, tbh

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Fun note: In an extremely unlikely, but interesting, interaction with skitter and I is if we both target the same player as the Strongman, the Strongman doesn't go through. This is a wonky setup from what I can see, but it's normal and on-face balanced assuming 2 goons (also don't know gobble's actual role though).

nope, i checked that already with mena
(to whoever complained i wasn't as vocal wrt pp's claim as with profii's claim ... i was busy trying to figure out how the fuck doc, bg, and strongman are all supposed to interact)

the strongman kill would go through, the bg would not die.

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Because I assumed I was the protective, and I didn't see why it was important D1 for anyone else to know about a strongman.

:raises_hand:

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i don't think pp is scum
i don't like it but i don't think he's scum

if y'all need me to check him/doc him i will but i unfortunately think he's town here
i do not want to lynch him today

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Frank is town

Why? (Also why Looker might be town, but I reckon if you're not sure you probably don't have a good reason)

it's one of those things that are hard to put into words
his pov doesn't look fake, i understand his progression, he's said several things that are townie af, his tone is good, his lol-vt claim was good, his timing is good (i.e. in the sense that i think it would be hard to fake in real time)
but like all of those things collectively feel townie

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bb is town, i think

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Shit! Would've been great if you were Loyal instead. You could have targeted whoever he shoots and if they don't die they're town (since your protection went through).

yeah, no shit

i think proffi should tell me who he's lynching and that i should try to suicide, idk

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Gobble I don't necessarily care for still but my heart says the whole wrong role thing probably does flip VT.

i (and gobble) literally saw scum do this like two weeks ago so ...

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i don't want to deal with this. i'm a cop. that's not a full claim

yeah, no, this is ridiculous

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VOTE: kerset

[skitter30]

pops i am beginning to become paranoid

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i think proffi should tell me who he's lynching and that i should try to suicide, idk

what happens if i shoot myself and you protect me

- I survive because protection

- you get town points because I didnt die and we can start to believe you are not scum loyal lining up some fake protections etc

- if you are lying and I die, you get lynched - great for town - me dead = less negative utility and we caught a scum

yes but unfortunately that isn't a valid night action for you. and wouldn't clear you for everyone else

the leashing was really so i didn't overlap with you
i never specified who you should vig (if i was scum and wanted to either protect my scum buddy that you were vigging or wanted to unclear you i'd need more information)
i jsut wanted a pool so i knew who to avoid

also there's a strongman apparently so i don't think i can actually protect anyone

[skitter30]

i (and gobble) literally saw scum do this like two weeks ago so ...

sounds ballsy for scum!him to do it with you around, then, no?

-X

ya true but i'm worried that's what gave him the idea

[skitter30]

if there's a strongman i don't think i can actually protect anyone so i should try to suicide
and proffi should say who they're vigging

because the number of deaths is going to be important and wifom-inducing and we should try to minimize the wifom as much as possible

[skitter30]

of course scum will probably just shoot me but you know

also gobble the jk thing is ... actually really annoying for me

[skitter30]

i really hope so

[skitter30]

1. no. not mad, possibly weirded out, but probably won't make a thing of it since i think you're town (i don't get mad for this really).
also i think this is the towniest way anyone's done this
also like who are you lol

2. i guess that depends on a few things including: a) the fact that i now probably die tonight, b) if you're going to give up bop'ing me like at sod2 and have expected me to solved the game at that point, c) my reads are not feeling great this game, d) probably other factors i'm not thinking of rn

i think i have a pretty good town pool and i want to lynch/vig/suicide in the poe but the poe is a big blur rn

[skitter30]

i don't particularly believe nicholai either
i have no way of answering the strongman's shots things because it depends on too many things that i don't have concrete information for

[skitter30]

there's a strongman tho and if i die how will you know i got a guilty?

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yeah i don't know how to answer those questions better, sorry
that's teh most truthful answer i could give

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What game are you referring to? The newbie where both scum counter claimed the Pr and died because of it and lost?

yes but like ...
what am i supposed to be thinking here, exactly ?

[skitter30]

because just by virtue of being me i die here like 60% of the time tonight which is why i was trying to like ~be subtle~ and not claim
and when i die you'll have no idea if i got nk'd or guiltied someone
and given the nature of the setup i'm the quasi-investigative

which will lead to a ridiculous amount of wifom

[skitter30]

I think the idea should be that profii has one pool and skitter has a separate pool. If skitter dies and there is a scum kill accounted for, then skitter’s pool becomes proffii’s pool

maybe this is why i wanted proffi to be leashed

god I honestly hope one of skitter and penguin is lying because this setup is kinda fucked if not I think

like not that it's necessarily a bad setup probably, but the swing seems insanely high

ya think

it's not a bad setup or non-normal
it's just insanely swingly and inherently wifom-inducing, and i'm trying to reduce ambiguity and the eventual clusterfuck when i die

[skitter30]

One of them is probably lying but I think that the solution to much of skitter’s problems is to have two separate pools of targets for profii and skitter. We should not be using skitter as an investigative. We should be using her as a protection

right, which is what i wanted as soon as proffi claimed, remember

and no, if there's a strongman, me being a protective is useless and i think i should be used as an invest

[skitter30]

i could ... maybe see that actually

what do you think his actual role would be?
scum strongman who knows that there's a doctor so claimed bg (to get a cc) and claimed informed of strongman?

[skitter30]

i don't think he plays 4d chess either tho, that's the thing

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and no, if there's a strongman, me being a protective is useless and i think i should be used as an invest

Eh, I think there’s probably another role in the setup. I think you should chose the two towniest you think or the town collectively thinks and then protect one of them. Force them to use their strongman kills or kill in the non-towniest group which +town ev I think no matter how you parse it

you mean like me and proffi say:

i'm on one of {townie player a, townie player b, townie player c}
proffi is one of {scummy player x, scummy player y, scummy player z}

and pp is on one of {me/proffi}

and they're forced to use a strongman shot to get through me or pp
or to just avoid those players

i feel like for scum the obvious situation is to just use the strongman shot and get rid of me/proffi tho
but this is probably the best we're going to get

[skitter30]

@gobble i am fine with this.
Proffi?

I'm down to lynch kerset

[skitter30]

I feel that every person, who got pushed by me wants a revenge and they make it ironically by shading me for coasting.

Yep, great reaction

[skitter30]

there's a strongman tho and if i die how will you know i got a guilty?

The conclusion is: claiming was stupid

I mean ... it's not like i wanted to

[skitter30]

@gobble i am fine with this.
Proffi?

I'm down to lynch kerset

Tell me more about Kerset. Your conversation about a setup isn't pointing at him. I am not sold on this. (question that rational person would ask)

I'm running out of people to lynch, dont tr you, and dont remember why i stopped sr'ing you

[skitter30]

@gobble i am fine with this.
Proffi?

I'm down to lynch kerset

I'm down with the PR plan
I'm not sold on Kerset yet

Great. Who do u want your pool to be?

[skitter30]

His freakout + i've seen him play like this as town before twice

Why is your reaction to try to divert me elsewhere?

[skitter30]

VOTE: kerset

You ok with being on one of me/proffi?

[skitter30]

Ok, i will randomize in {pops, a50}

[skitter30]

Kerset why did you dissapear when attention was off of you

I think bbmolla towntold during his freakout
Where/why do you think i ought to be townreading you?

[skitter30]

Just wanted to get u on the record as acknowledging it and agreeing

[skitter30]

Where/why do you think i ought to be townreading you?

Are you planning on answering this or ?

Apso nicholai is fine too and i'd switch

[skitter30]

Oh ffs

[skitter30]

Where do you even have that impression from ...

[skitter30]

Where/why do you think i ought to be townreading you?

Are you planning on answering this or ?

Apso nicholai is fine too and i'd switch

Is it possible to answer this? I don't know your criteria for town reading and selfmeta is dumb.

No, i just want to know where you think you've been townie

[skitter30]

I'm very cranky and upset about all sorts of things today, apparently, including this setup

And i'm going to be exasperated and annoyed each time y'all think that lynching me is the solution to this

[skitter30]

I am pretty biased towards Kerset as a player but I also think ke stepped out of ker scumrange like 3 times this game

So can you point to some of those places or ...

[skitter30]

Tyty proffi

I should probably say who i've cleared, right?

VOTE: gobble

[skitter30]

Penguin who were you on?

[skitter30]

Pops is town

[skitter30]

Reasoning for this targeting?

Least strong tr amongst people i thought i wouldnt die targeting / people i didnt think proffi would shoot

[skitter30]

Bob does that every game, it doesnt mean much imo

[skitter30]

lying about your reads is an awful way to crumb

Not if you act in accordance with what you stated in thread, no

Also you were like my third-highest tr, and the lowest that i was willing to take the risk i wouldnt die on

[skitter30]

also, if her weak doctor philosophy is you always protect the person you tr the least, that's not a good way to crumb?

That's not my weak doctor philosophy, no

That'a my weak doctor philosophy when there's also a vig who needs to confirm himself who won't tell me where he's shooting so i need to figure out how to not overlap with him

[skitter30]

VOTE: Looker

@ mena the vc is wrong

[skitter30]

hi popsofctown how are you

can you vote Looker with me

thanks

Why is looker scum ?

[skitter30]

Also i had stated i would be in {pops, a50} so if i did die i needed to stick with that

I was considering putting rb in there but i wasnt confident enough i wouldnt die

[skitter30]

i was going to try and push a looker lynch through without having to claim because my investigative power is not X-shot. but i'm fine with simply having the guilty today and if i die the rest of the game can find the last scum

Ok then

Just highlighting that the setup is kinda ridiculous from my pov

VOTE: looker

[skitter30]

Strongman etc etc etc

[skitter30]

I think the pool should include Nona, Looker, and Wake...if not be the pool.

but this is a good post, has 2/3 scum at least (wake unknown) and it's unlikely PP goes very low activity double-bus his teammates

(or is it?)

Huh
Yeah that is p good actually

[skitter30]

Frank is town! He's my second-strongest tr!

I'll look at nona/nicholai's iso in a bit

[skitter30]

I can be on rb

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Weak doc, i claimed this already

I'm talking about the doc more than the weak part

[skitter30]

We might as well massclaim honestly i feel like

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Ok have pp on you and i'll try to suicide

I'm not that picky

[skitter30]

Looker, you should claim whenever u show up

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Why would we massclaim? Skitter that just sounds like you're trying to figure out how powerful rb is an whether your team needs to try to kill him or me or not.
Like, we already have massclaimed. There's no more room for town power in this setup.
I don't see you saying that as town, the only motivation seems like finding out what rb is. Do you really think like BBMolla or bob is going to claim doctor next day phase and it will help you corner him into his claim if you force him to claim today? That's not real

You realize i've been advocating this for like half a day phase already, right?

I'm basically of the opinion that if there'a unlikely to be more town power and like half the pl has claimed we might as well finish it off

[skitter30]

I'd rather lock people into claims early than have surprises in lylo

[skitter30]

Skitter that just sounds like you're trying to figure out how powerful rb is an whether your team needs to try to kill him or me or not.

Also this is an asinine accusation given rhe role i"ve claimed and the action i took

[skitter30]

If it wasnt obvious i meant looker -> rb if he feels like it -> everyone else

[skitter30]

I know, isnt it nice of me to have done that?

If i were scum and wanted to do this for some reason i would have conftowned people who were already tr'ing me, you realize this is a ridiculous play for me as scum, right?

[skitter30]

I mean she either is, i got rb'd, or i decided to make this game more comolicated for scum me for the lols so

[skitter30]

Sounds good

[skitter30]

roleblock and she inexplicably posted "yo I know for sure this closed setup has no roleblockers" d1

I didnt actually say that, to clarify

I said i didnt think there was a scum doc

And yeah from my pov you're being ridiculous but i have to put up with it anyways

[skitter30]

although i do just prefer to say that skitter's town. thinking about it does make it pretty unlikely that skitter is scum

and it's not possible for you to both be scum so it's fine

I mean technically from not your pov i could be faking with her if we want to be pedantic

[skitter30]

Sorry no, getting weak doc'ed doesn't make me feel like I owe you something. Like in postgame if I know you did it as town I think it will be play I need to commend but I don't see how it's something only town!you does and I need to be totally tickled with it right now.

pedit: I stand correct, that's right, it was scum doc

I would have conftowned a50 if i felt like gambitting like this since he was hard townreading me

I dont think you owe me something but i'm jusr going to continue being exasperated

[skitter30]

Which makes more sense and is less of a scummy gut read thing to come up with

Sorry I'm just in a lot of games

Especially since i'm a doctor, yes ...

[skitter30]

but I don't see how it's something only town!you does and I need to be totally tickled with it right now.

also do i need to write a soliloquy on this bit or are we good for now

[skitter30]

okay so scumteam theories:

rb: nicholai/Looker/frank (there's a few possibilities, i think this is more likely)
pops: nicholai/Looker/Skitter (still?)

skitter? i want to compile these

frank's my second-strongest tr rn
(ignoring claim stuff)

like if we take you and pops out of the equation the two people i'm most confident are town here are frank and a50

[skitter30]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

partner ? ^

[skitter30]

so let's take me, rb, pops, a50, and frank

assume looker is scum

so it's just one of {bob, bb, gobble, and pp}

and i don't think pp names 2/3 of his partners as vig targets

[skitter30]

so i guess i'm at gobble > bb > bob
honestly idk of those 3

[skitter30]

why does bob feature so prominently in nona's iso

[skitter30]

Skitter if you know I'm misreading you why didn't you try harder to suicide?

a) you were tr'ing me harder yesterday
b) trying to prevent ambiguity in how deaths occured

i was just envisioning a clusterfuck of like me and one other person dying and you lot trying to figure out if:

a) proffi had been cleared (i.e. you can't tell if he'd acutally shot anyone)
b) whether or not i got a guilty
c) whether or not scum actually shot anyone

[skitter30]

if you notice yesterday when proffi claimed i kept lamenting the inevitable clusterfuck

[skitter30]

now there's significantly less ambiguity in how deaths play out and im not necessarily the top nk by virtue of existing i'm less worried about it and i don't mind suiciding as much

[skitter30]

hey i've been saying that this setup was ridiculous since proffi claimed, it just took this long for you lot to catch up

as far as i'm aware there's no problem with that besdies for the fact that:

a) scum apparently have a strongman
b) from a setup pov pp is scum and i just die so

[skitter30]

a) i basically claimed because from my pov the setup had become ridiculous to the point of becoming literally nonsensical due to the jk claim and like no one else was seeing that so people started wagoning me for having a bizarre pov

[skitter30]

and that's why i was so pissed at your fake jk claim because it made me claim

see, this is why you don't need crumbs if you can literally point to every pivotal point in the game and explain what you were thinking at the time and why it makes sense

[skitter30]

i still think bbmolla is town

and a50 is probably my strongest tr so

[skitter30]

so let's take me, rb, pops, a50, and frank

assume looker is scum

so it's just one of {bob, bb, gobble, and pp}

and i don't think pp names 2/3 of his partners as vig targets

^^^^

[skitter30]

Why is a50 a strong tr for you skitter

i don't have an answer beyond 'feels like town!him', and i don't know how to articulate why either

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

Is this type of attitude supposed to make us think you’re town?

I'm not trying to make you think I'm town. I'm telling you how I feel.

Yeah I think this is ideal. Even if I'm wrong I feel like it provides a lot of discussion for day two.
VOTE: skitter30

I'm also more concerned with the profii wagon speed now that I've had time to think on it. He seriously accrued 4 votes in a flash and I really don't think skitter's reasoning was compelling enough to warrant that.

I still dont love kerset either but I'm actually starting to lean gobble scum over them now. Lot of hypocrisy and convenient looking votes. I can definitely see at least one of skitter/gobble being scum but I kinda doubt both based mostly on how ballsy it'd be

why gobble, frank?

Wagon hopping, basically just following skitter around it seems like. Some other weird stuff I've already pointed out in other posts.

Notably what comes to mind is the weird rqs that he brought up well past the appropriate time, aimed specifically at penguin even later. Seemingly copying the "hey x vote y with me" style of posting that was made common in this game by skitter and (pops?). That last bit adds to the weird pockety looking stuff towards skitter.

On the subject of skitter, im obviously not a fan there either but I highly doubt they're s/s. I think they both have a lot of contribution to discussion and have decent associations to be made with a lot of slots and lynching from the two seems ideal. Skitter softs some kind of strong PR (which seems less and less plausible --not necessarily for her, but for all PRs with how many have claimed-- but the fact remains that it happened) and either she is gonna get nked for it, wow us with some result/action, or get lynched for a lack of it down the line.

Personally I dont like the way she handled the whole not-claim thing or whatever, and someone (a50?) Pointed out the hypocrisy between her prying for info on profiis role while implying she was holier than him. So all in all I dont mind lynching there. I mean for fucks sake we might as well mass claim with the way roles have gone down so far. And that feels weird as hell for me to say because on my main I'm typically vehemently opposed to such things.

Anyway I'm tired and this turned into a hopeless ramble but one of gobble/skitter getting lynched today makes this game a lot easier fmpov.

Is that 5 pr claims?

Fuck it, I'm a vanilla townie

skitter:

1. if I BoP you and sheep you will you be mad

2. if you don't catch scum by the time I give up BoP'ing you will you try to get in my head about it

your answer doesn't make my choice concrete btw, but it might help me decide what to do

1. no. not mad, possibly weirded out, but probably won't make a thing of it since i think you're town (i don't get mad for this really).
also i think this is the towniest way anyone's done this
also like who are you lol

2. i guess that depends on a few things including: a) the fact that i now probably die tonight, b) if you're going to give up bop'ing me like at sod2 and have expected me to solved the game at that point, c) my reads are not feeling great this game, d) probably other factors i'm not thinking of rn

i think i have a pretty good town pool and i want to lynch/vig/suicide in the poe but the poe is a big blur rn

okay, I'm gonna mull over the thought then

yeah i don't know how to answer those questions better, sorry
that's

teh

most truthful answer i could give

no it was a good answer tbh, and kinda stroked my ego and I'm gonna be pissed if you're scum because that's kinda my weak spot rn

BOB?!

Townie posts, esp. the lolvt claim ^

[skitter30]

Eh...that's not it.

Why are you townreading Frank, skitteR? <- I'm keep the "r" like that because I think it looks cool.

This is really funny actually

[skitter30]

Whoops unluckily for you pgos arent normal these days

[skitter30]

Whoops unluckily for you pgos arent normal these days

UNVOTE:

Rb whats the plan for tonight?

[skitter30]

No hammer till that gets hashed out plz

[skitter30]

I work with a software called R
And a bunch of package developers for R think they're being punny by giving their package a name that ends with 'R'

Like tidyr or stringr or janitoR or knitR

[skitter30]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=76192
^ this is the canonical reference rn

Pgos are not considered normal nowadays

No hammer till i talk to rb ty

If i try to suicide you lot need to know where i'm targeting tonight

[skitter30]

Sorry i'm back

Rb do u want me on u or so u want me to try to suicide?

[skitter30]

ok if looker is strongman pp will be on you
and i will be on gobble

if looker is scum but not strongman i guess i will also be on gobble (you'll die so it doesn't really matter who is on you)

and on the offchance that looker is town i will be on you (easiest way to cover my bases wrt you in that universe)

so now we just wait for pp to agree i think

[skitter30]

kk and i'll be on gobble unless looker flips town, in which case i will be on rb to assauge the paranoia before it starts

and i'm ready to end the day then

[skitter30]

has he been hammered technically? i just remembered i unvoted earlier so

VOTE: looker if he hadn't been hammered yet

[skitter30]

I suppose my mistake was that I didn't know how to handle skitter, having never played with her before and I interpreted her awful read on me as scum play but simultaneously believed her disdain towards the setup - that alone should have told me something wasnt correct in my assessment

To be fair my disdain was for a setup that didnt exist

But from my pov as things were 'revealed' day 1 i thought we were living in some bizarro fantasy land that made no sense and i was starting to get sr for feeling that way which is why i ended up claiming

[skitter30]

gdi Frank. Why won't you release the scum PT?

[skitter30]

i don't think i played weak doc here as well as i could

i think i tend to play a little weird when i'm a pr knowing i'm a decent n1 a lot of the time

and the weak kinda messed with that dynamic even more than usual because i didn't want my death to be ambiguous because that just kinda leads to a mess that i was trying to divert
and i think in doing so i caused more of a mess idk

[skitter30]

i've kinda reached that point, and the weak just fucked with that even more, yeah

[skitter30]

i really need someone to talk me down when i overthink things too much

[skitter30]

gdi Frank. Why won't you release the scum PT?

[skitter30]

'you are not authorized to read this topic'

[skitter30]

checked again, still not