Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[dsjstr]

It's me!

[dsjstr]

It's Friday and I'm a college student so I'm way ahead of you

Spoiler:

[dsjstr]

I agree with the Hectic reads in the fact that he seems different then the other games I have played with him. I take that as an NAI read and I think I know what insomnia is talking about. Being in 4 games with him I can't really say anything meta

based so I would rather wait until more content has been provided so I can give a reason to town/scum read Hectic.

[dsjstr]

Never been in a mini game so do people get asked to rr before getting lynched?

[dsjstr]

@mod

You have me down as creative on the VC

[dsjstr]

let me double back. i'll re read the last few pages but im not voting them based on their wimpy progresion

tho when i was catching up nothing she did really stood out as "oh maybe this could actually be town" if im saying that now its due to general paranoia

This post from Flippy made me think that they are just trying to post stuff that sounds like it should come from town. Specifically pointing out that they are unsure about the idea and that they are "paranoid".

[dsjstr]

I don't know what you want out of me, to expound on my reads?

I am a free flowing transparent spirit conveying each and every thought of mine that pops through my head, you should be able to deduce my reads throughout my organic progressions, that's like the only thing I'm good at and that's why I'm obvtown and that's why my reads are shit for the most part

cuz i focus on being town read more than actually resorting to any critical thinking lol

there are like 50 posts of mine, me going through them again just clutters the thread with useless talk, they're all there.

most of this is just words to me. the only thing i can get behind is what i have bolded

idt think you're obvtown tho i still have you in the null area

This looks like they are agreeing to trying to sound like town

[dsjstr]

yeah you're doubling down on it while not really commenting on anything is my point, just stating blank reads list

& i'm pretty sure i have been commenting on stuff & quoting post that don't feel right to me. so i hardcore disagree there.

Again Fippy is saying they are playing how a town should play... unfortunately this does look bad and I'm completely on board with joining the flippy wagon. Still have a bad feeling they wanted to get town read because they are town, do the points I am making seem NAI?

[dsjstr]

VOTE: Flippy

Nah, I'm committed for now

[dsjstr]

So to better answer your question. No I don’t think she lied. I think she actually thought that was an acceptable strategy and it’s not.

I don’t care if she didn’t realize it was Sunday. Even if it had been Monday, that’s when I would have just been getting back.

It’s a low life despicable reason to vote for somebody and to me that means she’s scum or a low life despicable player who thinks that it’s ok to vote somebody who’s v/la.

Either way. I don’t give a damn. I am unable to look past it. I definitely will never be able to town read this slot so the best thing to do is to get rid of her. She’s shown poor judgement and is incapable of helping town win.

I agree that people shouldn't be read because of their v/la status but I don't see how they won't be able to help town. We need 5 votes to get someone lynched, I hope that this message doesn't get interpreted the wrong way because it seems like tensions are high. Lets all work together not against each other.

[dsjstr]

So, Hectic, can i trust you or we'll probably or are we likely to collide ? we are in so many games together that your typing variation confuses me.

Lul, I wouldn't read into my typing style at all. I intentionally vary it game-to-game.

Before I can trust you, I need your input on the best Kamek profile picture from this album: https://imgur.com/a/6cF3xdk

Angry Kamek

Never realized they ride on bamboo

[dsjstr]

Luca, what does scum!Flippo look like? And why do you SR me?

Wimpo, am I right in assuming you think clidd is town despite pushing you?

Scum!Flippy tries to look good. Town!Flippy does whatever. This is exactly the same as Town Flippy from my experience with him.

I'll get onto why I SR you in a bit.

Flippy has been trying to make himself look good.

[dsjstr]

town

THEE EMPEROR

town leans

Luca
AAron
karnage

null
Hectic
Dsjstr

scumlean

clidd
ame

in order

flippy/emporer scum team conf

[dsjstr]

And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

I have to say I agree with this and I saw Luca as being town in the Luca/Aaron clash. Aaron was not fence sitting in his town game with me, but he did start the game slow and then quickly positioned players. Luca and Aaron can you share your thoughts on the flippy wagon. If you have already done so can you quote it for me.

[dsjstr]

Doro, I'm assuming you're still good with your Flippo read? Who'd be your second guess for scum?

I still kinda like AaronFF based on the last couple of pages. I think his scumgame is a little different in that he has less interest for solving. Also, the uncertainty/fencesititng looking behaviour is actually a town trait for Aaron (I think), he has unusual confidence in reads as scum:

I'm like 95% confident that davesaz is town.

I also believe that Garmr is telling the truth as dumb of a move as that was, so he is probably town.

and other stuff in this ISO

Still working on that but I am leaning towards Aaron as my second.

[dsjstr]

Current read

s>

Locktown:

Luca Blight, Insomnia, Wimpy.

Indicative town

: Aaron Frost, Ame.

Unsure:

Emperor flippyNips, Dsjstr, Hectic.

Entertaining the possibility of a Clidd+Luca team. Luca "scumreads" clidd early for not being active enough. Clidd locktowns him for it and Luca backs off because Clidd's playing the game which is town-indicative. Distances them early and gives them a reason to townread each other later. Tinfoil theory for now.

Clidd is more engaged but it looks like this game is not as simple as the last so I won't SR him for playing differently. Do you have a reason to SR him because I can't think of one. He did list his unsure as red which can be interpreted as PoE scum. But there are a lot of lock TR from him, and if clidd is town then I would feel good about his lock town reads. If he is scum then I could see him putting his buddy as lock town. I was going to place my vote on clidd so we could get that intel.

[dsjstr]

These voting distributions are a mess. Dsjstr voting Flippy ? Ame and Insomnia in a wagon ? something is wrong here.

If you were planning to move me up to joker can I suggest putting me at jester.

[dsjstr]

Yesh let me think about this, but to be fair Luca was able to pocket me one time I doubt he will be sneaky enough to do it a second time

[dsjstr]

Sorry replaced in and some IRL stuff came up. Will try to be around tomorrow

Feel free to lynch ame until then

I will sure not be lynching them thanks for the tip

[dsjstr]

It is selfish of me, but I would like to be right about Insomnia and Karnage being towns, as I defined in my initial read.

VOTE: Insomnia

How is this selfish of you? You're voting someone to prove to us they're locktown?

Why is no one considering clidd here?

Current read

s>

Locktown:

Luca Blight, Insomnia, Wimpy.

Indicative town

: Aaron Frost, Ame.

Unsure:

Emperor flippyNips, Dsjstr, Hectic.

Entertaining the possibility of a Clidd+Luca team. Luca "scumreads" clidd early for not being active enough. Clidd locktowns him for it and Luca backs off because Clidd's playing the game which is town-indicative. Distances them early and gives them a reason to townread each other later. Tinfoil theory for now.

Clidd is more engaged but it looks like this game is not as simple as the last so I won't SR him for playing differently. Do you have a reason to SR him because I can't think of one. He did list his unsure as red which can be interpreted as PoE scum. But there are a lot of lock TR from him, and if clidd is town then I would feel good about his lock town reads. If he is scum then I could see him putting his buddy as lock town. I was going to place my vote on clidd so we could get that intel.

I wanted to do it to get conf town

[dsjstr]

It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia

[dsjstr]

It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia

Did you suspect insomnia before Luca claimed?

No I thought it was you/Luca

[dsjstr]

It is selfish of me, but I would like to be right about Insomnia and Karnage being towns, as I defined in my initial read.

VOTE: Insomnia

How is this selfish of you? You're voting someone to prove to us they're locktown?

Why is no one considering clidd here?

Current read

s>

Locktown:

Luca Blight, Insomnia, Wimpy.

Indicative town

: Aaron Frost, Ame.

Unsure:

Emperor flippyNips, Dsjstr, Hectic.

Entertaining the possibility of a Clidd+Luca team. Luca "scumreads" clidd early for not being active enough. Clidd locktowns him for it and Luca backs off because Clidd's playing the game which is town-indicative. Distances them early and gives them a reason to townread each other later. Tinfoil theory for now.

Clidd is more engaged but it looks like this game is not as simple as the last so I won't SR him for playing differently. Do you have a reason to SR him because I can't think of one. He did list his unsure as red which can be interpreted as PoE scum. But there are a lot of lock TR from him, and if clidd is town then I would feel good about his lock town reads. If he is scum then I could see him putting his buddy as lock town. I was going to place my vote on clidd so we could get that intel.

I wanted to do it to get conf town

You wanted to lynch Clidd so we could follow his reads if he flipped town?

I am guessing you have not played with clidd before, I wouldn't be surprised if all of his locktown are correct... unless he is scum. Like I said earlier I bet he would place is scumbuddy in that section knowing that there is no way he would ever get lynched.

[dsjstr]

UNVOTE:

Also not trying to lynch a mason

[dsjstr]

One game, he knew the three mafia on page 7 out of 21.

[dsjstr]

He never changed his mind during the game

[dsjstr]

It was a bloodbath

[dsjstr]

No survivors

[dsjstr]

One game, he knew the three mafia on page 7 out of 21.

He's probably talking about '' Micro 918 ''. But the context was totally different, I'm not taking the same approach here.

True, and the fact it was my first scum game and it was as the most informed role didn't help

[dsjstr]

If both masons live to see lylo then I'll be really concerned about the claim but for now there's no reason not to believe it

I was also questioning the legitimacy of the mason claim, but I figured it would only hurt town to lynch them.

[dsjstr]

luca thought it was someone off of the insom wagon & i can agree. as for narrowing it down i don't have anything rn. i should of done more work in nf but i didn't nothing i can do about that now

Did you think that because he hammered himself?

[dsjstr]

Clidd > Hectic > Aaron

I think it's more likely his partner was already on his wagon. Otherwise, why not give his partner a chance to come around and hammer. If his partner is Aaron or Hectic they just look bad. It doesn't make sense to leave them in that position.

I completely disagree. Insomnia was, in part, falsifying his reactions, but there were still traces of real anger in his typing. The time he invested heavily in arguing against Aaron may have overshadowed the development of a strategy to "rid" his partner of suspicion, which I can perfectly theorize if Karnage is town.

Who was he trying to rid suspicion of?

[dsjstr]

@dsjstr

It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia

(1) Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that it was Insomnia here? Why was Karnage and Aaron out of the running for you? You had previously stated suspicions on Aaron.
(2) Why didn't you vote Insomnia?
(3) Why would Luca not dying warrant neighbors claiming?
(4) Why do

you

think Somni self-hammered?

1. I put Hectic because of his voting pattern, at the time it made sense to have clidd as a partner don't remember exactly what I was thinking.

2. I was willing to place a vote on clidd at the time

3. Then it would be 4-3 conftown and an unavoidable town win.

4. Hide the other scum in the pack of people off the lynch or its Clidd

[dsjstr]

If everyone thinks that clidd is cleared then this game is still an unavoidable town win.

[dsjstr]

I'm starting to think clidd is town

[dsjstr]

Basically, having everyone else think clidd is town does not = him actually being town if you scumread him. So the unavoidable town win thing based on the logic is Doroish in a bad way (there are good Doroisms too, dw).

When I self hammered as scum it was an attempt to make everyone think that I wanted the person off the wagon to get lynched and so the focus would be placed on everyone else. This is the complete opposite situation in terms of numbers. But that does not change the fact that insomnia most likely wanted to get the potential lynch off his scum buddy and on to clidd.

[dsjstr]

Although I think I tend to think opposite in terms of how other players think. I'm curious about people still have the same opinion about what insomnia was thinking after hearing this.

[dsjstr]

Sorry guys I'm pocketed now, whats the plan Hectic

[dsjstr]

But that does not change the fact that insomnia most likely wanted to get the potential lynch off his scum buddy and on to clidd.

Wait, what do you mean?
Is Somni trying to frame someone on or off his wagon? I thought you just implied the opposite.

Do you think I'm the scum D:

We were supposed to work together

[dsjstr]

Sorry guys I'm pocketed now, whats the plan Hectic

Don't tell anyone else but I'm mason recruiter. I'll be targeting you tonight. Keep this on the down low.

Please don't, I'm the jester and I've been trying to get lynched all game.

[dsjstr]

Basically, having everyone else think clidd is town does not = him actually being town if you scumread him. So the unavoidable town win thing based on the logic is Doroish in a bad way (there are good Doroisms too, dw).

When I self hammered as scum it was an attempt to make everyone think that I wanted the person off the wagon to get lynched and so the focus would be placed on everyone else. This is the complete opposite situation in terms of numbers. But that does not change the fact that insomnia most likely wanted to get the potential lynch off his scum buddy and on to clidd.

Although I think I tend to think opposite in terms of how other players think. I'm curious about people still have the same opinion about what insomnia was thinking after hearing this.

But being serious, do you think insomnia would have been thinking the same way I was when I performed my final act. Trying to make people want to lynch clidd/ame rather than the people off the wagon?

[dsjstr]

if the lynch is inevitable self hammer is the right move. it denies town the chance to learn more about who else could be scum

I still don't like ame but maybe its confirmation bias? idk

I have trouble seeing any sort of logical progression in their voting

You think Insomnia was trying to prevent us from learning that his partner was actually on his wagon already?

[dsjstr]

...I don't know what you want

[dsjstr]

3b. No one has claimed to be a neighbor, you didn't include me on your scum list so why are you giving me a quiz?

[dsjstr]

Well Hectic avoided going for Insomnia and opted to vote for clidd, with the little vocal support that had it could have been an attempt to get as many people off the insomnia wagon. I had said that clidd could have put his partner in the conftown if clidd was mafia, that was the whole argument for it. I felt insomnia had shown pockety behavior towards me, and based on the interaction between him and Luca he was caught red handed. At the time I had no reason to think it was not another team.

If I did I would not have had a reason other than a gut feeling. Was not a reason, which is why I never placed that vote on clidd. I was also not 100% sure it was insomnia and if I had chosen to switch to insomnia that would have made me seem like I was being opportunistic.

If Luca/Flippy was alive then the game would have been solved. Do you think I would kill Luca because I told you this?

I can tell you I had no idea that heighbors could be mafia, let me check the VC so I don't accidentally hammer you.

[dsjstr]

VOTE: Ame

[dsjstr]

Why didn't you say anything to me when we were in private? Why wait to put me on blast in front of everyone? If I am town does that mean you are mafia?

[dsjstr]

You had literally not included me on any of your scum reads and the one time you said that it was me I changed your mind because you thought one of my comments was funny. You are the one being inconsistent.

[dsjstr]

UNVOTE:

Thank you for showing me the truth

[dsjstr]

Still fairly certain that mafia was off the wagon.

[dsjstr]

I said if Luca didn't die.

[dsjstr]

You said "it didn't matter either way"

[dsjstr]

3a. You stated something along the lines of "should we out if Luca doesn't die."

[dsjstr]

I am fairly certain that you were starting to be scum read and so you are turning on me as a scapegoat. I don't see you being town and doing this.

VOTE: Ame

[dsjstr]

I was really hoping that you were just being paranoid but I think you are cornered and needed a way out.

[dsjstr]

If there were 4 masons or neighbors then that wouldn't be much of a game.

[dsjstr]

When I played mason in my newbie game we had day chat, here as neighbors we didn't get day chat.

[dsjstr]

I never said mason = neighbor that is what Ame said.

[dsjstr]

I brought up clidd and hectic being the options of who is scum and he completely agreed with me.

[dsjstr]

Ame was the first person to talk about our neighbor night PM and was also the one to say that I didn't know the difference between neighbor and mason. Why would I assume I am in a chat with someone on the opposite team.

[dsjstr]

Clearly I was wrong and there was nothing in the role PM that said we were not on the same team

[dsjstr]

For the record I was only suggesting that we out if Luca some how stayed alive, Ame even admitted that I asked him if we should out if Luca/Flippy don't die. He said it didn't matter and I just followed his lead when he softed about what we talked about at night.

[dsjstr]

And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

I have to say I agree with this and I saw Luca as being town in the Luca/Aaron clash. Aaron was not fence sitting in his town game with me, but he did start the game slow and then quickly positioned players. Luca and Aaron can you share your thoughts on the flippy wagon. If you have already done so can you quote it for me.

This is so different than Aaron's scum game and Luca not seeing it is bad. He's also been pushing all town slots (imo) the whole game, which looks even worse, but his progression on Ame reeeeeeks of scum.

yo dsj i liked your slot previously can you maintain that read for me please? if i'm able to town read you correctly here i might be close to a winning PoE tbh

Aaron in here is really inquisitive, reacts well to pressure, whereas in last game he shat his pants when I pushed him.

unless this man has multiple personalities i'm inclined to say this is an obvtown slot

Thats our only interaction

[dsjstr]

Except for the time when he was town reading me early game

[dsjstr]

Wait a second I just noticed a contradiction:

You had literally not included me on any of your scum reads and the one time you said that it was me I changed your mind because you thought one of my comments was funny. You are the one being inconsistent.

dsj if you knew I was scumreading you before

why did you think neighbors were confirmed town to each other

? Surely you would have picked up that it wasn't the case from the way I was treating you?

At the time I thought you were trying to playoff that we are not actually neighbors. I believe it came after the comment I made that no one had actually claimed neighbors.

[dsjstr]

I would like to point out that Ame is at L-1

[dsjstr]

After I unvoted them I placed another vote on them.

[dsjstr]

-His play does not align with his town play in the slightest.
-None of his reasoning this game makes sense.
-His hopping around today reads as TMI. He changed his opinion on people to town at the moment when they were scummiest.

Also this:

It is selfish of me, but I would like to be right about Insomnia and Karnage being towns, as I defined in my initial read.

VOTE: Insomnia

I'm pretty sure he sheeped Luca as a way to bus without having to compromise his TR. It doesn't make sense at all for him to have voted his lock town read when he apparently had the game solved at that point.

Not to mention the quick hammer.

Hoping this came before you saw you were hammered because based on your next comment I think we are right?

[dsjstr]

Nice timing Aaron

[dsjstr]

- dsj follow somni onto flippy. I could see scum!dsj voting with his buddy here/trying to protect him. Definitely looks buddyish.

I tend to not associate with people who I am 100% certain are on my team

I did that in Wolves Among Us and I did it here during D1 with Ame

[dsjstr]

The top line is Aarons quote

[dsjstr]

Well at least I thought Ame was town :p

[dsjstr]

I just realized that Flippy is getting killed tonight.

[dsjstr]

You don't think I am scum based on how I played in that game?

[dsjstr]

Actually never mind don't answer that lol

[dsjstr]

Unless it leads me to being town read of course

[dsjstr]

The good thing is that Hectic and Aaron were both in that game so at least two of us will stay alive.

[dsjstr]

Now I have no one to talk with tonight

[dsjstr]

Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.

[dsjstr]

The part where you just agreed with everything I said

[dsjstr]

Final Reads

Town: dsj
Scum: Hectic > Clidd > Karnage > Aaron

Bruh if you are town and we go to N2

[dsjstr]

I think I have posted 1/4 of my total posts during this twilight lol

[dsjstr]

Right now if I am left alive tonight I will follow Hectic or Clidd I agree with both of them but disagree with one of them at the same time. Fair warning shortly after the day ended I went to a social gathering so this post any any post affter it will be influenced by it.

[dsjstr]

I will be good by the time D3 starts but I will be happy to do an AMA right now.

[dsjstr]

Right now if I am left alive tonight I will follow Hectic or Clidd I agree with both of them but disagree with one of them at the same time. Fair warning shortly after the day ended I went to a social gathering so this post any any post affter it will be influenced by it.

By shortly after I meant at 9:30 EST I know someone will talk about the time discrepancy

[dsjstr]

Yeah, probably a good idea. My proposed order is:
Karnage>AaronFF>Clidd>Hectic>Doro

I can go earlier if people disagree with my own placement.

Thank you for seeing me as townier than yourself lol

[dsjstr]

Dsj

, pick

Aaron

. Thanks.

Popcorn Aaron

[dsjstr]

Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.

I want dsj to explain this further because him and Ame only had the pregame, and then Night 1 to talk to each other because there's no daytalk. So unless he's an encrypter, I'm not sure I buy this.

It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

[dsjstr]

Since everyone claimed VT we have 4 VT's and a neighbor?

[dsjstr]

I think it is aaron or karnage

[dsjstr]

I would be very surprised if it is Hectic

[dsjstr]

Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors? Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

[dsjstr]

Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.

I want dsj to explain this further because him and Ame only had the pregame, and then Night 1 to talk to each other because there's no daytalk. So unless he's an encrypter, I'm not sure I buy this.

It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

No, she wouldn't have been able to, because you don't have daytalk.

We don't know there's a mafia cop, mafia could have a PT cop or a traffic analyst if you're town.

We could not talk during pre game we only had N1.

But during twilight she could have denied that it looked like she was trying to pocket me but she did not, as town wouldn't she want to say something in order to help the town?

[dsjstr]

It just looked like she was trying to pocket me so she did not disagree.

[dsjstr]

Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.

What part?

The part where you just agreed with everything I said

Final Reads

Town: dsj
Scum: Hectic > Clidd > Karnage > Aaron

[dsjstr]

I thought you were still catching up at that point?

[dsjstr]

So you knew that the wagon had switched on to Ame and you did not want to say anything to try and stop someone who you thought was town from getting lynched?

[dsjstr]

I think I know what the question is, can I get one too?

[dsjstr]

I think most games I've played with neighbourhoods have scum in them. I just believe Doro's townslip though. I mean, do you actually think that scum!Doro goes for the route where he pretends to think his neighbourhood was equivalent to a masonry? Maybe if insomnia coaches him to, but since they don't have daychat that's impossible.

Where was this "townslip"?

It's based on what Ame said where he thought both neighbours were town (equivalent to masons). If Doro is scum and was trying (and failing) to pocket Ame in the neighbourhood, maybe he employs this confusion strat where he says "oh, I just assumed neighbours were always town", but I think it's far more likely he was acutally just confused about how they worked based on his experience with mafia so far (no offence, Doro).

Hmm okay. Not sure I buy that as a true townslip, but I need to revisit dsj based on his play.

Which do you think is more likely setup-wise?

1) 2 town neighbors, 2 town masons, 1 scum PT cop
or
2) 2 town masons, 1 town neighbor and 1 scum neighbor

I think I heard clidd say 1

[dsjstr]

I think I am going to vote Karnage maybe

[dsjstr]

The entire day I was either on flippy or Not voting, I never once placed a vote on Luca

You don't like that I unvoted off of a mason claim?

[dsjstr]

Could you explain why you think that?

[dsjstr]

Could you explain why you think that?

I went back and re-read it with ame's ISO included and I wasn't getting an accurate feel for it.

When I originally read I took the "thanks for showing me the truth" as being sarcastic which is why I thought the unvote was weird. Looking back I don't think that's the case

So me immediately revoting them doesn't mean anything?

[dsjstr]

Karnage do you have any response to 1,542

Before I hammer you

[dsjstr]

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me tbh

VOTE: Karnage

[dsjstr]

lol I thought clidd could have been the mafia, well if it's Hectic we are in trouble

[dsjstr]

Should I just place my vote on Aaron now or does anyone have anything else to say

[dsjstr]

So the thing is Doro, if you're actually scum, there's no way you ever kill me last night with how I'm townreading you, and the clidd-kill does make Aaron look even worse because clidd was death tunnelled on Aaron

Clidd was also town reading me, and from my understanding Aaron was town reading you.

If it is you then Aaron and myself would not even consider you, in your last scum game you used the tactic of trying to get the town to fight with each other.

[dsjstr]

lol I thought clidd could have been the mafia, well if it's Hectic we are in trouble

Why clidd for scum?

Also, why'd you hammer early without intent yesterday?

If clidd was left alive I would have to think that he was playing us, would you not question how he decided to place some of his votes... by sheeping, which he did multiple times in this game.

I had also mentioned earlier that I was thinking about placing a vote on Karnage and then asked if he had anything to say before he gets hammered?

[dsjstr]

I had scum read Karnage because it sounded like he was just making stuff up, do I do the same thing and go for Hectic?

[dsjstr]

So the thing is Doro, if you're actually scum, there's no way you ever kill me last night with how I'm townreading you, and the clidd-kill does make Aaron look even worse because clidd was death tunnelled on Aaron

You are saying that this only makes you look the best?

Once again trying to get Aaron and myself to fight

[dsjstr]

So the thing is Doro, if you're actually scum, there's no way you ever kill me last night with how I'm townreading you, and the clidd-kill does make Aaron look even worse because clidd was death tunnelled on Aaron

Clidd was also town reading me, and from my understanding Aaron was town reading you.

If it is you then Aaron and myself would not even consider you, in your last scum game you used the tactic of trying to get the town to fight with each other.

If you were scum, who would you kill, if not clidd then?

Aaron because he was scum reading me. You had also had sus on clidd and I think I could have made you vote for clidd, or him vote for you.

[dsjstr]

AaronFF:

Hypothetically speaking, if you were scum, who would you kill last night?

Were you online to see Karnage's catchup? Did it look towny or scummy to you?

Due to

recent events

, I'm thinking you focusing on mechanics too much like in 1513 might be scum-indicative. Can you tell me what conclusions you've drawn from talking about this, and which you think is more likely now? Why didn't you consider a scenario where there could be a Mafia Neighbour PT Cop/Rolecop?

1) I'd kill you and try to push clidd since dsj would probably be more likely to

mislynch

him over you.

2) No I still haven't read it tbh, I want to go back and do that to see what his strongest reads were and who was pushing him.

3) I thought talking about it might help me figure out/rule out a potential scum candidate, and I think dsj surviving last night points towards him being a scum neighbor. Mafia Neighbor PT Cop seems kind of redundant to me but idk.

Look at the word I underlined, this seems like a confession to me

But asking what we would do as scum is a leading question

[dsjstr]

I never said mason = neighbor that is what Ame said.

Ame was the first person to talk about our neighbor night PM and was also the one to say that I didn't know the difference between neighbor and mason. Why would I assume I am in a chat with someone on the opposite team.

He said that Ame said mason = neighbor, then in the next one he's saying that Ame said that he said that he thought mason = neighbor. Maybe I am misinterpreting it, the sentence is a little weird structure-wise.

The part that feels weird to me is that Ame claimed in 1188 (to lazy to link to it) that dsj never responded in the hood, and I have to assume Ame is telling the truth since she was town. Not talking to Ame despite thinking that they were mason is really sketchy to me.

We did talk, let me get a quote from Ame that paraphrases something I said in the hood.

Don't make up lies

[dsjstr]

3a. You stated something along the lines of "should we out if Luca doesn't die." Why would Luca being NKed or not be relevant as to whether or not neighbors claimed?

Ame, from what you talked about in this private chat, did you manage to conclude anything about Dsj's behavior ?

How has Doro interacted with you in the neighbourhood, Ame? Have you felt like he's tried to pocket you?

I'd extend the same question to Doro (Do you think Ame was trying to pocket you in there?).

He only asked me my thoughts on Clidd and the fact that no one found him (dsj) suspicious. He also asked me if we should claim if Luca died. I don't see the reasoning behind this and the way he phrased it makes me feel he only asked me it to make it seem like he didn't know if Luca was for sure going to die

I just took a quick skim of his ISO and found these two

[dsjstr]

I had also talked about clidd but I don't think Ame ever mentioned that part

[dsjstr]

I had also talked about clidd but I don't think Ame ever mentioned that part

oops I mean Hectic

[dsjstr]

Ame said that I thought Mason = Neighbor, I never said that, not here not in the hood, not ever

The game would be boring if there was 4 mason or 4 neighbors, it was split into 2 and 2 for the obvious reason of giving less information to town.

[dsjstr]

Why didn't you say anything to me when we were in private? Why wait to put me on blast in front of everyone? If I am town does that mean you are mafia?

You never responded to me in private and if I waited until tonight, you could kill me before I had a chance to express my concerns to town.

And no we could very much both be town. But the idea that we would be confirmed town to each other is absurd when there are already masons. What did you think was the difference between masons and neighbors?

This is the quote you are referring to that you were too "lazy to add", I said he did not respond to me...

Guess I really did not talk to him

[dsjstr]

Hectic why did you decide to talk about reasons why Aaron and myself should fight with each other

I don't think you are trying to solve anything, just trying to get us to fight, Aaron I can continue to tell you why you are wrong but I would rather go with hectic

He wanted to know why I did not respond to his second group of messages, lol you are actually trying to prove that Ame is a liar not me

[dsjstr]

If Luca/Flippy were not killed then I thought it would be 4 conf town

I said this multiple times, I really want to scum read you for your laziness but you modded that game that Hectic played as mafia, this seems like that Hectic to me

[dsjstr]

He has literally only provided responses that has continued this argument

I am giving intent to place my vote on Hectic

[dsjstr]

Aaron is trying to say that when Ame said I did not respond to the second group of messages he sent, it was not consistent with Ame saying that that thing about Luca not being killed and outing which is a response.

Leading questions... what who would you have killed if you were mafia and why?

[dsjstr]

Hectic if everyone town read you for really no reason at all why are you still alive?

[dsjstr]

Leading questions... what who would you have killed if you were mafia and why?

If you're asking me why I ask those hypothetical questions; it's because you can catch scum out if they try and lie about it and say something inconsistent with others' reads.

If you're asking me: I would've killed you as scum. Clidd was death tunneled onto Aaron, and can be impulsive when it comes to voting, so there's a good chance I could quickhammer relatively early.

Clidd is a very rational person, what leads you to believe that he would do that in lylo

Aaron and myself both had you as our strongest town read and you start questioning with this leading question, why not question any more of our plays

The way you are approaching this situation seems weird to me

[dsjstr]

do you want to hammer test?

I see Aaron has not been talking so now seems like a good time

[dsjstr]

So hectic why do you sus aaron?

[dsjstr]

Should I just place my vote on Aaron now or does anyone have anything else to say

How did your stance change from being so certain Aaron was scum here, to giving intent to vote me?

AaronFF:

Hypothetically speaking, if you were scum, who would you kill last night?

Were you online to see Karnage's catchup? Did it look towny or scummy to you?

Due to

recent events

, I'm thinking you focusing on mechanics too much like in 1513 might be scum-indicative. Can you tell me what conclusions you've drawn from talking about this, and which you think is more likely now? Why didn't you consider a scenario where there could be a Mafia Neighbour PT Cop/Rolecop?

1) I'd kill you and try to push clidd since dsj would probably be more likely to

mislynch

him over you.

2) No I still haven't read it tbh, I want to go back and do that to see what his strongest reads were and who was pushing him.

3) I thought talking about it might help me figure out/rule out a potential scum candidate, and I think dsj surviving last night points towards him being a scum neighbor. Mafia Neighbor PT Cop seems kind of redundant to me but idk.

Look at the word I underlined, this seems like a confession to me

But asking what we would do as scum is a leading question

Also, you were just appealing to me here that AaronFF "confessed" by using the word mislynch. I hadn't posted since this post, and now you're giving intent to vote me? Can you explain your progression of who you were scumreading/townreading throughout today and what's changed that?

Sorry for all the questions, but it'd really help if you answered all of them and for the love of Doro don't vote me yet.

Answer these please.

Well you are not acting as calm in your scum game, don't see you faking that even though you say that you intentionally change it up just because you know people are looking for it

I don't see us getting much more out of this, if you can trust me lets do this

[dsjstr]

But no offense Hectic I really don't think the questions help... that is what makes me question you

[dsjstr]

You want to see how a mafia responds?

They have hours to think about that, and that is not including the night phase before it happens.

[dsjstr]

Unhappy to roll scum, eh, Aaron?

Could you imagine if we got it here

[dsjstr]

You two fight it out now

I'm getting my popcorn ready

[dsjstr]

If you don't think he is scum then vote for me

[dsjstr]

My gut is still telling me its Hectic

[dsjstr]

My gut is still telling me its Hectic

sike

VOTE: aaron

[dsjstr]

UNVOTE:

idk

[dsjstr]

Yeah I noticed his 24 and thought it was an odd thing to focus on at that time, if that's what you're also referring to.

o.k. insomnia, what should I have been focusing on there?

o.k. insomnia, what should I have been focusing on there?

Not that.

In the context where it’s RVS and votes are placed randomly, you questioning an unvote from RVS was weird.

Voting someone and then coming back 20min later to unvote them without replacing the vote seemed weird, even for RVS. Probably reading too much into it though.

No day chat so this was the only way to communicate, insomnia never actually pursued this and went after Luca.

Aaron did insomnia ever communicate with you?

As you said he only spoke to me once, I would have tried to communicate with him. You can look back at the puppers among us, I communicated with Doctor Drew, you both still might not even know that

[dsjstr]

Lul, I was here for that Doro

bummer you were a few minutes late

[dsjstr]

Their post is so inoffensive and nice, it feels like they’re trying to get on people’s good sides.

psh you think you know me dawg?

Spoiler:

I am

not

mafia.

I

am not mafia.
I

am

not mafia.
I am not

mafia

.

I

am

not

mafia.

I really wanted to play with Creative too

Well damn you must be telling the truth. After all, no one would ever lie about not being mafia in a game of mafia. That'd be silly...

VOTE: Ame

That vote is wolfy

Sick pagetop

I read the wall Ame posted and I declare that anyone who calls my reads baseless will face unholy retribution in the form of being power lynched

How fucking dare you

VOTE: ame

Something about this vote makes me want to say it’s probably townier than Aaron but I won’t explain why so don’t @ me

VOTE: Aaron

Nevermind Aaron I found something

[dsjstr]

Aaron and Insomnia actually went at it for a little bit...

[dsjstr]

Lul, I was here for that Doro

bummer you were a few minutes late

Nah, there was a small time frame where I refreshed and saw the vote before you unvoted. I know saying this serves nothing and there's no way to prove it, but I'm just saying

Refreshed?

Like you went to hammer and you got a preview that I immediately unvoted?

[dsjstr]

1) Why were you townreading me start of day, what did you mean that "everyone townread me for no reason at all"? Were your reasons for townreading me different to others'?
2) What exactly did you mean by "hammer test" in 1623? Were you asking me to vote Aaron there? What would Aaron being offline achieve there?
3) Aaron already asked about your 1619; appreciate an answer to that.

Be back later

1) Why are you town? Did anyone actually give a reason to town read you? If everyone was town reading you why are you alive?
2) If I placed a vote on Aaron and you did not hammer you would be confirmed as a town or vise versa
3)If you don't scum read aaron then just vote for me...

[dsjstr]

Insomnia never actually tried to start a wagon on Hectic but he made an attempt on Aaron

[dsjstr]

1) Why were you townreading me start of day, what did you mean that "everyone townread me for no reason at all"? Were your reasons for townreading me different to others'?
2) What exactly did you mean by "hammer test" in 1623? Were you asking me to vote Aaron there? What would Aaron being offline achieve there?
3) Aaron already asked about your 1619; appreciate an answer to that.

Be back later

1) Why are you town? Did anyone actually give a reason to town read you? If everyone was town reading you why are you alive?
2) If I placed a vote on Aaron and you did not hammer you would be confirmed as a town or vise versa
3)If you don't scum read aaron then just vote for me...

continuing with 1

There was no reason to scum read you, you actually did not really do anything this game

[dsjstr]

For me it just came down to who was the least scummy which was you, you are too clean for someone who is unconfirmed

[dsjstr]

Aaron did insomnia ever communicate with you?

As you said he only spoke to me once, I would have tried to communicate with him. You can look back at the puppers among us, I communicated with Doctor Drew, you both still might not even know that

Yeah he went after me for a bit before townreading me.

The difference here is that you would've been able to talk to him at night so you don't need to like send signals to each other when you'll be able to talk to each other. If you're scum then you probably weren't expecting his flashwagon at the end of D1.

That is true, I also did not send signals to Ame because I thought I could speak with her tonight

[dsjstr]

well at night, they are dead so I can't tonight

[dsjstr]

1) Why were you townreading me start of day, what did you mean that "everyone townread me for no reason at all"? Were your reasons for townreading me different to others'?
2) What exactly did you mean by "hammer test" in 1623? Were you asking me to vote Aaron there? What would Aaron being offline achieve there?
3) Aaron already asked about your 1619; appreciate an answer to that.

Be back later

1) Why are you town? Did anyone actually give a reason to town read you? If everyone was town reading you why are you alive?
2) If I placed a vote on Aaron and you did not hammer you would be confirmed as a town or vise versa
3)If you don't scum read aaron then just vote for me...

1) Why were

you

specifically townreading me is what I'm asking.
2) What purpose does that achieve rather than voting normally when you think someone is scum? It reads to me as if you were trying to convince me to vote Aaron so you could quickhammer.

I said I saw you as the least scummy

I would have placed the vote

Hectic what have you actually done this game

[dsjstr]

I want you fucking lynched I'm not trying to appeal to you

[dsjstr]

VOTE: hectic

[dsjstr]

I want you fucking lynched I'm not trying to appeal to you

Not in real life obviously, I like you as a person

[dsjstr]

Hectic I am going to ask you again why should you be town read?

Insomnia never actually tried to get a wagon on you but he did allude to wanting to. He just never actually put in effort to do it

[dsjstr]

He did try to get a wagon on Aaron, I don't see the mafia team doing that without day chat

[dsjstr]

I want you two to fucking question each other so I don't get mislynched

[dsjstr]

You say we have time to talk it out then you don't try to figure out aaron it doesnt add up

[dsjstr]

Are you voting me because I have started to sus you?

If it's aaron we can still figure this out since hes gone lol

[dsjstr]

I can understand that the way insomnia interacted with aaron would mean that it is either you or me

[dsjstr]

I calmed down and am reading back through the game

The Ame lynch was actually really stupid, insomnia was going after them fairly hard

[dsjstr]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?

I don’t do associations. I have a list of 3 people who I scum read

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

@Wimpy

so they're independent reads, gotcha, thanks

Wimpy was also really against insomnia, that was also a stupid lynch

[/v]Aaron[/v]

[dsjstr]

UNVOTE:

In this case...

[dsjstr]

You going to hammer me insomnia?

[dsjstr]

I mean Aaron

[dsjstr]

Wait Aaron!!!

[dsjstr]

Ugh, LyLos are the worst. I don't think I've ever won one. You've done a fantastic job of making me thing you're scum, Doro. I've gone from 80/20 to basically 50/50. I know that looks fencesitty but that's genuinely where I'm at right now.

Lul, I was here for that Doro

Look at the time difference between Hectics last post before when he claimed that he saw I placed a vote on you, why would he happen to be in chat?
To quick hammer as scum, he claimed that he refreshed the page but why had he not left a message before hand?

[dsjstr]

Also, my family is practically pulling me out the door to go to diner so I won't be active for a few.

[dsjstr]

Ugh, LyLos are the worst. I don't think I've ever won one. You've done a fantastic job of making me thing you're scum, Doro. I've gone from 80/20 to basically 50/50. I know that looks fencesitty but that's genuinely where I'm at right now.

Lul, I was here for that Doro

Look at the time difference between Hectics last post before when he claimed that he saw I placed a vote on you, why would he happen to be in chat?
To quick hammer as scum, he claimed that he refreshed the page but why had he not left a message before hand?

Like I said, I was helping a friend with some work, and looked through the games I'm playing, including this one. This one was already open in a tab, so I hit refresh and saw the vote. THis is such a pointless and stupid thing for me to lie about as scum, please don't overthink this based on this reasoning, AaronFF

Like, why is Doro only using this reasoning now and wasn't considering it when he voted you a few minutes ago?

Why were you only observing the game and not actually playing?

[dsjstr]

Why did you say that I was throwing by thinking it was you and yet placed a vote on me?

[dsjstr]

and yet you placed a vote on me?

If I was throwing that would mean that it was Aaron so why then try to go after me?

That was why I questioned if you were only voting me because I had went for you

[dsjstr]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?

I don’t do associations. I have a list of 3 people who I scum read

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

@Wimpy

so they're independent reads, gotcha, thanks

Wimpy was also really against insomnia, that was also a stupid lynch

[/v]Aaron[/v]

Voting you here if he's town is a guaranteed loss. Because if I'm scum, I hammer you. If you're scum, you hammer him because I was voting him

This is literally a scumclaim

This is the main thing. From a town PoV, if two people including yourself are simultaneously voted, then you are guaranteed to lose because either other player has someone to hammer and win as scum.

Doro failed to realise this and made the vote anyway because he's scum. This is so obviously scum, AaronFFFF

What is your argument here?

You also did not disagree to it, you just chose to ignore it... is that why you were only observing the game?

You were hoping I would actually place a vote on aaron and you could quick hammer, that is why you were here and refreshing the page.

If I thought you were not around you would have thought that I was going to actually go through with it and place the vote on aaron

[dsjstr]

I dont have a great track record with lylos as town. In face the last LyLo I was in as town also had Hectic in it lol.

Hectic if I was 100% confident it was dsj I'd vote him right now but I'm not and there's a chance I'm wrong on you. That's why I want you each to town case yourselves.

PEDIT: Yeah basically, I want to see how your approach to this game comes from a town perspective > a scum perspective.

The reason why Ame got lynched was because of the doubt that we had about whether we were both town.

Even after I had created the wagon to get them lynched Ame ended up thinking I was town.

Clearly everyone else thought the same thing and I know Hectic said that he thought that

@Hectic do you still want to trust Ame's read, you sounded fairly sure that I was town because of that

[dsjstr]

Why did you end up wanting to vote for me?

I don't think you actually talked us through your thought process

But if I recall correctly it was around the time when I brought up suspicions about you, and Aaron still thought it was me

Also, at the start of the day when I said I just wanted to vote for Aaron why did you say that you were just over thinking it

Insomnia used that same line when he had talked about why you were sus, but he changed his mind and said he was probably just over thinking things, and he never started a wagon on you

[dsjstr]

Why did you end up wanting to vote for me?

I don't think you actually talked us through your thought process

But if I recall correctly it was around the time when I brought up suspicions about you, and Aaron still thought it was me

Also, at the start of the day when I said I just wanted to vote for Aaron why did you say that you were just over thinking it

Insomnia used that same line when he had talked about why you were sus, but he changed his mind and said he was probably just over thinking things, and he never started a wagon on you

[dsjstr]

VOTE: Hectic

[dsjstr]

You are now not going to participate?

[dsjstr]

You are now not going to participate?

@1699

[dsjstr]

How is the vote a scumclaim?

Why the fuck would I place a vote on Aaron after he just cleared him self as town

[dsjstr]

1650 and 1668

Btw, you haven't even tried to explain how your vote for Aaron while I was voting for you isn't a scumclaim. It guarantees a loss if you're town, and you failed to see that because you're not.

If I am town then it would have been a lose, you are right it would have been a lose and you know it!!!!!!!!!

[dsjstr]

Hectic why are you now trying to avoid my questions

[dsjstr]

A leading question is asking us to answer a question from a scum pov

I am asking you about your thought process, it could come from a town pov if you were town

[dsjstr]

Hectic what ever happened to wanting to wait to vote because we have days to talk.

Why try to rush it now

[dsjstr]

Legit why would I place on Aaron if I knew he was confirmed town

That does not make sense from either side

[dsjstr]

WHY IS HECTIC ALIVE IF EVERYONE HAD TOWN READ HIM???

[dsjstr]

You are not even trying to defend yourself because I am right and anything you say will just sound like an excuse

[dsjstr]

WHY IS HECTIC ALIVE IF EVERYONE HAD TOWN READ HIM???

Doro kept me alive because I was townreading him and had Aaron as my next guess for scum. It's why he entered the day saying "does anyone have anything to say or should I just vote Aaron?"

Both Aaron and myself were town reading you the most, it makes sense you would keep both of us alive

[dsjstr]

VOTE: dsjstr

Hectic if it's you then you played well

fuck

[dsjstr]

I literaly did the same fucking thing with the aaron vote, I had no idea he was on

[dsjstr]

Did I get it right?

no...

[dsjstr]

Hectic didn't even try to solve

[dsjstr]

He didn't want to answer my questions lolololololol

If you had waited and let him answer you would have seen that he was scum

[dsjstr]

Clidd was town reading me

Aaron and Karnage were scum reading me

If I was mafia I would have killed Aaron since Karnage got lynched

I really don't know how you saw Hectic as town I'm sorry but like he literally admitted to lurking in the game, it was clearly so he could quickhammer

[dsjstr]

At the beginning he said we had time to talk rather then vote, but since I was going to vote for you Aaron he said that he was probably overthinking things... meaning that he was not opposed to me voting for you

That was related to one of the questions I asked him, he did not want to answer, why did you not wait for him to answer?

He was clearly trying to rush the game, that didn't bring up any red flags?

[dsjstr]

Good Game

I'm just going to be salty for a little bit

[dsjstr]

I think I made it harder than necessary for myself today. Probably should've capitalised on Doro being confident on you being scum rather than poked him.

This is actually why I thought you were town because I figured the easiest route for scum!Hectic was to push me and get dsj on your side

But scum me would have just killed you at night

[dsjstr]

Since you were already scum reading me to start would it not make sense for Hectic to try to get you to lynch me?

[dsjstr]

Okay I think it's all out now phew

[dsjstr]

We were actually fairly close considering that hectic was getting town read by almost everyone D3

[dsjstr]

That was a tough situation, I actually meant to place a vote on you but submitted it wrong lol

We were not meant to win that

[dsjstr]

Sheep Luca, more like:

Scum is probably Insomnia + Hectic/Frost.

and I managed to convinced aaron to lynch me lol

[dsjstr]

Just in case it is not clear, which I don't think it is.

I enjoyed the lylo and it was an uphill battle the entire time, I don't think I ended up saying it but I thought everyone played well

[dsjstr]

I personally made a lot of mistakes which is where the frustration was coming from