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[UnaBombaH]

Hi all! I'm a noob who is trying to return into more active play this year.
I'm amazing at calling bullshit on fakeclaims, but thats where my strengths pretty much end too.

I love to spam emotes, sorry if that annoys anyone, but I can't control it without forcing my overall tone, and that royally fux up my game.

English isn't my first or even (officially) my second language, but thanks to Finlands amazing educational system and playing videogames as a kid, I think I can do a decent job communicating with it.

And unlike BEF here, I'm a prime candidate for a nightkill early on, if the scum know what to do.

[UnaBombaH]

And since I'm not petty, and also think that random votes sort of suck, guess I'll VOTE: MavsFan.

-Much love, - HH

[UnaBombaH]

BEF...Go check Boonskiies. (I guess you actually knew this and I'm the dumb one for not realizing you were making a joke, but whatever.)

[UnaBombaH]

Ok....NOW he's a fucken liar. Can't deal with that.

VOTE: Not Even actually 6-years old Boonskiies, aka Flavor Leaf

[UnaBombaH]

Received a prod, sorry about that people!
I'll catch up sometime tomorrow, and will probably jump on a wagon I deem worthy.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, so one thing I find worth mentioning about these past few pages?

I am 99% sure that any effort spent trying to decode players votes and posts day 1 is useless, and I am

wish I could go into every game with a policy of being on every wagon going just to get this time over with

I see, so you are one of those players who don't think too deeply about people joining wagons? Any wagon will do?

People want to know what I dont like. Lurkers who come in and joins wagons to keep pressure off themselves.

..but...?

I am useless at finding scum day 1

Wut?
Apparently you found my "planned agenda" scummy? Or you think it's a NAI-plan to "lurk and join wagons to keep pressure off myself"?

I don't think I need to join a wagon now, I can just start my own and be happy with it.
VOTE: geraintm

[UnaBombaH]

But unah isn’t under any pressure. So why take that jab? You’re under some and trying to deflect off yourself

Oh, so they are under some pressure? No wonder then.
I also like this type of participation.

This is why I like to create drama usually. Gives people to talk about. This game is definitely stale

Not sure about this one though.
I used to say "controversial" and scummy things intentionally to get myself scumread.
Simply to get content out of people, and to help ME get reads.
I've since realized that it's quite a selfish tactic because it helps me get reads, but only because I'm a conf.town to myself.
To basically everyone else it might end up muddying the waters and causes more trouble than it helps.

And here specifically you use the word "drama".
I dislike drama that is in any way personal and distracts from realizing scum agendas.
Drama based on personal issues often lead into nonsensical tunnels and policy-lynches.

With that all being said, I feel like I've said nothing at all.
Mainly because I agree with you on that playing against your win condition should be frowned upon.

[UnaBombaH]

This is a lot of heavy analysis for page 8

But not enough either, right?

[UnaBombaH]

Tho I do agree that Una’s inactivity might be scum-indicative. They talked rather highly about themselves at the beginning of the game and said that they’re usually a really good NK target as town so them just prodging here feels weird.

Just in case you are being serious here - I sort of wasn't at the start.
I do not have big ideas about myself.
I was just trying to taunt the scum. Maybe they'd waste a bullet on me if they thought I was something special.

[UnaBombaH]

Consider Una in my 'hmm suspicious' pile

Oh.
I have a pile named like this basically every game nowadays..
Guess you could fit there as well, profii my friend..

[UnaBombaH]

Shade noted.

Ummmmm... No shade there either.
It was me realizing there was actually a wagon on them already when I thought I was going to start a new one.

[UnaBombaH]

Pissed if someone hammered me without any warning. This has been the laziest day one lynch I've seen in a long time.

I got lynched on page ~15 or something, IN A NEWBIE-GAME,

HAMMERED BY THE SE-PLAYER

,

AS THE TOWN!DOCTOR.

Good times.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh well...then I will.

Hammer: VOTE: geraintm

[UnaBombaH]

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

Poser-scum posing as town.
Pose-police on duty.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm off to sleep now, but before I go - @bob - why do you think it's better to go to L-2 at this point?
What do you think town has to gain from it?
What information do we gain from being on L-2 instead of L-1?

[UnaBombaH]

Una whats your reason for voting germin

Check again hombre.
I had my vote already on them, and I made an argument when placing it back then. (if I hadn't, I guess mine would've actually been the hammer )
I also firmly believe that it's better for town if we get 1-2 good wagons rolling, and teetering on L-1, before we settle on what to do.
Sometimes the first wagon that gets run up is also the one that gets pushed all the way through, but even then we often get to see something come out of it D2.

Also now I have a feeling.
VOTE: bob3141

[UnaBombaH]

Why have you dodged the question?

I asked you why you think germin is scum.

OK, so there was a question?
Where you asked why I think germin is scum?

Una whats your reason for voting germin.

No question mark - can't see the word "scum" anywhere.
Don't think you asked me why I'd think they are scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Another way to read it is to think that you're trying hard to post and move the game along but terrified of offering anything of substance in a very veiled attempt to look pro-town but not actually displaying pro-town behavior.

Well put. +2 to you.

[UnaBombaH]

Calling me a lurker, is like calling my mom fat.
It's somewhat absolutely true, but you don't say it to her face.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, it's absolutely not true when it comes to me.
I post regularly enough - I just got swamped last weekened and had a game in MyLo which is now finished so I can actually talk about it being finished.

This has my full attention now.

[UnaBombaH]

But, thinking about the fake hammer............ what was the actual strategy behind it? IF people believed it to be an actual hammer, you're gonna grab town reactions disproportionately. People who react will most likely be town being like WTF?

I disagree with the last part, and that is also the reason why I did it.
An obviously fake and poor fakehammer often gets

SCUM

to react disproportionately.
They get all giddy for noticing that the hammer was fake, and can't help themselves - "this is the perfect opportunity to act as a townie! It's my grand role, I shall be the outraged townie - protecting my fellow townies from scum like you!"
And the reason why I voted for bob was the way they reacted to profiis fakehammer, and later on mine.
I do not understand why bob would be so concerned for gera getting lynched, unless they knew it was a mislynch..?

[UnaBombaH]

Anyone have a solid metaread on mavsfan regarding posts like the two above mine? ^^
I know they have been on site for some time already, and I don't get a veteran-vibe from 465/466.
I taste plastic.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon+profii+Jake.
Just dropping these in case scum get hasty with any of them.

[UnaBombaH]

We already have a turbowagon on the rise, eh?
I'll read sometime today what has been happening so far.

I think the bob-wagon wasn't as informative as it could've been, and I still think gera might not have been a bad choice per se, but at the very start of day 2 we are rushing to that lynch?
Eh?

Maybe some discussion first?

If germ was town, odds are a new wagon wouldn’t have formed on somebody else.

Odds are that it depends solely on the people starting the pushes.
Now assume germ is town - you could argue that 0-1 scum were ever in the bob lynch. (obv. could be any other number too, but for the sake of your argument about odds)
These scum would now want gera lynched, because they'd have the angle of "I wanted gera yesterday, but then you guys formed a counterwagon on a townie".
So lynching gera today becomes almost like a freebie..

[UnaBombaH]

It hard for me to imagine that there is not at least 1 scum on that Bob wagon.

That leaves:
unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

FL hammer is a FL hammer. I wish this was AI but FL could still go other way. This is where his meta helps him as both alignments. So I will remove him (and myself) for my current PoE

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

Una and (lurky) Nippy are still null for me right now:

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

This might be absolutely nothing, but I got a slight ping from this.
There's a silly mistake here, you see.

Profii has removed me and "Nippy" from the first line already, before explaining why.
Hence, he repeats the exact same "line of remaining suspects" after mentioning us separately.

Could be a legit mistake, but if I'd play the devils advocate here, I'd say that the post might be "crafted" in the sense that he added/changed something to fit an agenda or faked reads better.
Meaning that since I know my own alignment, I'm also wary of the chance that scum!BEF might now imply scum!Nippy.

'tis all. Otherwise I really like BEF's effort so far.

[UnaBombaH]

I can see one of Boon/Jake/Mavs being scum.
It's a shame really that I don't want to say much else about them yet, except that the order here would matter.

Boon - you do realize I would always check you N1 if I was an investigative?

[UnaBombaH]

I can see one of Boon/Jake/Mavs being scum.
It's a shame really that I don't want to say much else about them yet, except that the order here would matter.

Boon - you do realize I would always check you N1 if I was an investigative?

All you did in this post is confirm you aren’t an investigative.

FOS: UnaBombah

You FoS:ing me is all I need in this world.
That and a couple of shots, and I'm good to go.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon+profii+Jake.
Just dropping these in case scum get hasty with any of them.

[UnaBombaH]

Are you all three just scum?

[UnaBombaH]

what are you up to

Poking blindly in the dark.
If I accidentally hit scum, I might just get what I want out of it.
I'm also at work, and bored.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not sure you need to make that assessment gera.
Are you simply saying that alora (based on your vote) is so obviously scum, that voting Jake is just a distraction?

[UnaBombaH]

Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

[UnaBombaH]

OK, I'm fine with town!gera at least for today.

[UnaBombaH]

OK guys, you had your fun already.
I wonder how everyone else would react, if I outed a guilty on one of you now?

[UnaBombaH]

And before Boon comes here and FoS's me into submission, I got no result like that last night.

I'm just bored.

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah I thought he was the kill cos he was a pretty easy tr

Eh.
I have a feeling it was more because of silly posts like this:

Foist

Are you scum? Answer honestly or I’ll check you at night

[UnaBombaH]

@Una
What's your read on me? Do you have one?

I honestly don't think I do.
But some of that is because I haven't put too much effort into you yet.
I've spent my time reading other slots.

[UnaBombaH]

That's L-1 on alo btw.
VOTE: gera to see what happens now.

[UnaBombaH]

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

That’s not something I’m actually scum reading him for currently, but I want that in my ISO to quote later in the game to see if it makes sense after some flips.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[UnaBombaH]

That first line is nothing like Boon.

[UnaBombaH]

Can someone translate what Boon is talking about here? :O

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

I'm scum because at this particular moment I had voted Gera over Alora?
Meaning that since you explicitly say here that Gera is likely town, it would mean scum!Una tried to create a wagon on town over scum!Alora?
But that can't be it, because in this same post you leave the Alora-wagon with such unclear words, as..

I’m already on the wagon.

It feels like a mislynch.

Let’s go here.

VOTE: Egix

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

So if both Alora and gera are town, scum!Una creating a counterwagon(?) for another town is beneficial why?
You should KNOW I hardly ever reference my own positioning on wagons as either alignment, especially not when I need to be townread sooner or later.
So there was never going to be a moment for your scum!Una where he votes for Gera, hoping Alora gets lynched, and comes back D3 saying "I wasn't on the mislynch = I'm town".
So unless it's a counterwagon scum!Una is trying to create, I do not legitimately believe you could scumread that vote.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon really needs to see why I play the way I do here, and we need to get on the same page. I think I'm somewhere around +5?

[UnaBombaH]

Una, when you said we often see something come out of the first Day 1 wagon on Day 2, what did you mean?

I'm not sure if bolding my text here helps at all, but the emphasis wasn't supposed to be on the word "often" per se..

Sometimes

the first wagon that gets run up is also the one that gets pushed all the way through,

but even then

we often get to see

something

come out of it D2.

"Even then" meaning that we almost always get "something" out of any wagon.
Implying that in my opinion, running down the very first wagon we set up is likely sub-optimal.
I prefer seeing multiple L-2s and L-1s, but it seems nowadays I'm in the minority there.
But more often than not, I see these games solved D3 onwards, and the first successful lynch often follows someone doing some simple VCA.
And that is why it helps if we have people moving from wagon to wagon, so that we can start to see the inconsistencies.

I know many people might disagree with me, but if we ever lynch the very first wagon we start, many of the voters would likely get behind the easyness/lazyness of it all.
And we could run a gauntlet and lynch everyone on the wagon, and even then we might still get only one scum..

[UnaBombaH]

It’s Egix and UnaBombah.

However, I actively feel like there’s an above average chance of Una/FL being T/T because of the fact we’re going at each other.

Don't know about you yet, but I'm town enough.
I feel like whenever you are iffy about me, is when you are scum.
Town!Boon can find town!Una just as well as he can find scum!Una, but I feel like scum!Boon struggles with the faked "confidence", so he often just ends faking the scumread.

[UnaBombaH]

I'd love to say town!Boon is scared of scum!Una, and therefore doesn't want me to be townread too easily, but I refuse to believe that.

[UnaBombaH]

Aloratom, Mavsfan, Espressojet

Way too early solve

I like this a lot more

[UnaBombaH]

So you, Jake and profii were the only ones on both wagons yesterday. Should we be looking in that direction right now for the next wagon?

Not necessarily that, no.
But it's still info, right?
Assume gera flips scum - the ones who jumped wagons (myself included) will look worse in comparison then.
If gera flips town, the info might be NAI for the ones who jumped on bob, but actually mean something for the ones who sought out yet another option.
Example: it could imply that they were players who knew BOTH wagons were on town, and wanted to stay away from the one that might actually go through.

And just to point it out - I've only been on bob and gera with a "serious" vote so far. (and mavsfan for a very short time I think?)
I was vibing the gera wagon early yesterday, but got swayed by some of bobs posts/reactions that felt scummy.
Today I voted for gera because I felt like a flash-wagon on alora might go through - I wanted to see what happens if I intentionally create a "counterwagon" for it, without actually having an agenda for either of the players.
You see, I do not know what either of the slots flip, but IMO we should make either of them flip today and THEN analyze the wagon-jumpers.

People might disagree, but I think gera and alora are the most logical lynches for today.

[UnaBombaH]

And to put my money where my mouth is - time to equal out the two wagons again!

VOTE: geraintm

[UnaBombaH]

aloratom (2) ~ geraintm, profii

If none of these three is scum, we are likely screwed anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

Or we could just all gang up on BEF for not following the flock..

[UnaBombaH]

Fck it, I'll follow Boon today then.
VOTE: egix

[UnaBombaH]

Yea, basing it on D1 wagons alone egix is a reasonable enough lynch.

@Jake - you've been "harrassed" about many things this game, and you've forward enough with your scumreads so far, but are there any strong townreads for you as of now?
I know we all suck as players, but anyone who's still coming across as town, even if bad at scumhunting?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm probably going to be more away than here for a few days still - been busy with my only hobby other than Mafia.. And my workplace still somehow requires me to, you know, work so....

Boon+profii+Jake.
Just dropping these in case scum get hasty with any of them.

Since last night didn't yield anything juicy...

[UnaBombaH]

only hobby other than Mafia

Ooh, what is it?

Coaching a teenagers floorball team.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh wow.
And both Boon and Derpy still alive.

There's not a world where neither of them are scum here, and there are actual versions where they both are.
Now watch Boon call me scum and Derpy call me dumb. Or the other way around. I don't care.
I hope I might've at least managed to draw some roleblocks my way in the first two nights..

[UnaBombaH]

I think I really want Boon lynched today.
I do not understand what type of a scumteam here wouldn't kill him already.
And it's not like he has done anything great so far this game, but neither has anyone else.
AND mavsfan seems like a very random kill to pull, compared to the potential danger players like Robb and Boon could provide for the scumteam.

And before you take the WIFOM-route, check FLs sig. HitAlt was my alt.
Especially after that game fell to pieces for us, I wouldn't ever leave town!Boon alive post-D2.

[UnaBombaH]

#preflip-associations?
Alora OR gera might still either be scum, but I'd wager they are both town, and simply the "designated lynches" aiming for the scum-win in MyLo.
Meaning that analyzing any wagons this game is going to be a pain in the ass because I think they've both been wagoned.
I can see scum!Boon naming one of their teammates as "lockscum" but every day agreeing to lynch elsewhere "as a compromise".
And I can see scum!Robb do anything for the win.
And while I have no trouble believing there could be real hostility/dislike between the two, I can also see them staging a show like the one we witnessed in the beginning just for the "cheap" distancing.

If I'm being completely honest, I thought it felt over the top from the start, and definitely doesn't close off the two of them being in the same scumteam here.

And now, with all that being said, I want to make sure my previous shenanigans wont be used against me in LyLo/MyLo.
I dislike fakeclaiming unless I have crumbed my actual claim, and here I made it seem like I was an investigative just to lure a shot/roleblock from scum my way.

I would've been

bulletproof

last night, but I guess it was a long shot anyway.
So just to make sure - I will not be claiming any type of investigative later. If I do, lynch me and call for a doctor because it's likely I'm having a seizure IRL.
I see no downside from claiming this now since the scumteam will not be shooting me anytime soon after all. -_-

[UnaBombaH]

I intend to return back to a more standard play here anyway, so I'll be doing separate ISO's sometime during next week.

[UnaBombaH]

I actually don't think Gera is scum either, I just put him in the POE because on a technical level.

One of Alora/Germ has to be scum for both of Boon/Robb to be town.
I refuse to believe anything else.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh wow, here we go again.
If Alora doesn't flip scum I'll have no choice but to argue Boon the rest of the game.
My ISO-work would've been magnificent.

[UnaBombaH]

I think this clears Gera, Profii, and Flavor Leaf

???
So if Alora flips scum, you think these three are lock!town?

What if he flips town?
Would that flip any of these "reads", or are their votes and other actions NAI in this scenario?

[UnaBombaH]

i kinda buy it

Fuck it.

UNVOTE: Aloratom

At least for now. How much time we have on deadline?

I get more towny vibes from this, than I did from the vote.

[UnaBombaH]

I think it's Unah, guys...and Unah's already setting up for a mislynch.

Nope, not my scum game here.
And yet again I'm telling you - you would know it if you are town here.
I know it sounds asinine that I think you are scum when I'm town and you do not see it, but hey, it's just me saying that your ability to read me should be better.

[UnaBombaH]

But you are aware of it. Meaning that you really can read me when it counts. You know.

[UnaBombaH]

I have a nagging feeling that we have sort of accepted robb as town just because.
I remember that one newbie-game I played with him (as DerpyHooves), and I'm seeing a lot of similarities.
And it's different feel from the game where he was as Gustavo (and town).

I can't believe these have all been the same player all along.

[UnaBombaH]

And I'm happy enough for that one cheeky pocket I actually managed to pull off, which is in my sig..

I'm off to bed now, got a long day ahead of me tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

Like said, I had a busy saturday.
If anyone voiced any "concerns" about Robb or Boon after my latest post, there's a good enough chance they are scum. Don't have time to check for myself yet.

Also, the setup is confusing me a little.
I'm not good at all with speculating setups, but I feel like the power level is either very low, or virtually non-existant.
Loyal Doc seems like a fakeclaim to me, but I've been wrong so many times in the not so distant past, so my opinion doesn't weight much.

[UnaBombaH]

Like said, I had a busy saturday.
If anyone voiced any "concerns" about Robb or Boon after my latest post, there's a good enough chance they are scum. Don't have time to check for myself yet.

Also, the setup is confusing me a little.
I'm not good at all with speculating setups, but I feel like the power level is either very low, or virtually non-existant.
Loyal Doc seems like a fakeclaim to me, but I've been wrong so many times in the not so distant past, so my opinion doesn't weight much.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, I don't understand how people can see 3 flipped townies on the counterwagon of Bob Day 1, and not want to kill Alora

Oh, now I remember my original reason for being paranoid about Boon this game. This ^^ is a narrative scum!Boon would script, execute and narrate himself if he saw two competing wagons on townies D1.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, I'm not saying Boon is scum here, I just remembered what originally caught my attention.
Scum!Boon would be followed by scum!Robb who made it clear they had issues at the start of the game, yet hasn't had any heat with him afterwards.
And the team would be rounded out by someone from flippynips/profii/Bef - the one who has been most "suspicious" of Boon/Robb, but hasn't actually done any pushes on them.

Mafia-solve - The Paranoia Edition.

[UnaBombaH]

Aloratom, would you be interested in voting Flavor Leaf with BEF and me?

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, 'twas a test anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

I do not see a full solve anywhere.
Not even half a solve, actually.
And I'm way too tired to do that ISO-dive I need, and actually want, to do.

I don't think the alora-lynch is going anywhere if people just hold off hammering until I've done my readings.

[UnaBombaH]

With that Alor self hammer, does that mean that scum is off the wagon? That would mean scum is in Robb, Nippy and Una.

Couldn't come up with a scummier opener for today, eh?

[UnaBombaH]

una your emojis are throwing me off man

They are NAI for me.
If I'm not emoting at all, I'm not myself.

[UnaBombaH]

If you sheep me, we'll win this pretty quickly. If you guys want to go Una first, I'm ok with that.

Love reading stuff like this. Especially since it'll probably lead into a loss.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm trying to decide which one (or two) of the three in BEF/Boon/Ame is trying to push for an agenda harder.
I think the way the three of them drew the lines could help us solve the game..

[UnaBombaH]

I wanted to take their best shot, but I didn't do enough D1/D2 to earn it..

[UnaBombaH]

Town posts here. Would be silly for BEF to put himself out there like this considering Alo was going down one way or the other, whether it be yesterday or today.

Except I can see BEF being all tongue in cheek with this.
Similarly you could say that I'm town because I didn't vote for them at all yesterday(?) - disregarding their claim completely - because if I was scum I'd never let myself fall into such a tiny pool of suspects.

If scum are even 25% panicking and are trying to close out the game today, it's likely enough that Ame+BEF is a pair.
Moving on.

[UnaBombaH]

Do FlippyNips and Flavor share a PT?
Honest question.

[UnaBombaH]

Alor up until that self hammer.

My "something weird just happened"-detector went bonkers on that selfhammer btw.
I feel like there was something there as well.

[UnaBombaH]

And like, I KNOW I'm currently just saying that everything is interesting and suspicious, but not digging anything up.
That is simply because I feel unmotivated to do any heavy lifting.
The last two times I was starting my wall-ass ISO-project, the day was ended rather hastily, so I feel discouraged about starting it again.
But I will do it if just given some time.

I'm currently procrastinating on so many different projects because of this whole "social distancing"-thing, and writing plot points for my DnD is currently more satisfying and easier on the effort side than trying to drown myself in ISOs.

[UnaBombaH]

What this VCA has managed to do, is sell me even more on the fact that profii is likely town.

[UnaBombaH]

What this VCA has managed to do, is sell me even more on the fact that profii is likely town.

How so...?

I thought profiis positioning on the wagons was more or less reasonable throughout..? No?

[UnaBombaH]

I believe Alor's claim more than this lol.

Then why did you ask for the doc to get on you tonight?

VOTE: Espressojet

I don’t think scum makes this post.

Scum who found a "loophole" to try and abuse would make it.
That was the post where I secretly townbinned BEF, until the start of this day when I saw the flips.
I think this was BEF trying to save a buddy, but only because there would've been a "good reason" to.

[UnaBombaH]

@Una - you gotta show me you’re town. I want to town read you.

I'll do an honest to god ISO-dive on BEF soon. Likely today.
I tried to start with Robb, but that was a mistake.

I'll get into my natural "stream of consciousness" only by doing that, so I'll just have to dig deep.

But I have to say it right away - I'm disappointed at Boon wavering this much.
The way he started today by saying "we are both town" and already stopping by in a station where I'm in 3/4 of his potential scumteams..

[UnaBombaH]

Una and BEF are never TvT here, and they can even be S/S.

If we can hit the scum in Una/BEF today, then I think we win because we can deal with Robb/Ame because we’ll have a mislynch.

This makes me feel uneasy.
THIS post could be scum!Boon stepping it up a notch again.
I'll return to this.

[UnaBombaH]

If we can hit the scum in Una/BEF today, then I think we win because we can deal with Robb/Ame because we’ll have a mislynch.

This is wrong because a scum flip from Una/BEF doesn’t clear the other, a town flip guilties them, though.

A little more towny, but still 50% wrong.
I do not think one of us HAS to be scum, but I do think BEF has a scum-vibe about them.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, starting out slow.
It's been a while since I properly did one of these, but I'm just gonna do the whole game instead of individual ISOs.
That has worked for me in the past.

For those of you who don't know me, Hello I'm BEF, you will probably scum read me early on and want to lynch me. Please don't.

Scum probably won't NK me (if they know how I am) and will leave me for a mislynch or lylo stuff.

Not a towny opening.
I did a similar thing, but I had the secret agenda of trying to fake a crumb for an investigative - in case I didn't explain it before - to potentially be shot at night.

I've retyped how I want to deal with this post about 3 times. So I am just going to say it all in an unfiltered fashion

"please dont" = I dont want to die = I'm either scum or a PR
"scum probably wont NK me" = I am scum so obviously HOWEVER I do know you a bit and I know what you are saying is "I am lynchbait" and if I recall your first language isn't English so maybe that's just triggering me here.

I am leaning towards this is a genuine "Hi I'm lynchbait" post but that "scum probably wont NK me" is disturbing my chi man.

This actually reflects my thoughts about BEF's opening very accurately.
I can even sympathize with the feeling of needing to type/retype it in a correct fashion as to not implicate a potential town!PR too heavily etc etc.

Look at my wiki and count the times I have been NKed,

English is my mother tongue but not the main language I speak on a daily basis.

It's not the fact you don't get killed, it's the fact you feel the need to spell it out beforehand.

Hi. I'm kinda new myself. Take that for what it's worth.

I don't know anyone but geraintm, and I owe them my first vote.

VOTE: geraintm

This is the only confirmed scum so far, opening the game with an RVS on (now) Ame.

Um, hello all.
2+1+2+1=6

I wonder..

Post 33, right ger?

I doubly wonder.....

Post 33, right ger?

You remember

VOTE: proffi - made 6th post after mine
and i really must remember to use the bold tags, might get myself in trouble if i don't

So apparently they planted an RVS-logic, sort of, before voting?
Dislike this actually - scum trying to relinquish themself from the "responsibility" of picking a target?

For those of you who don't know me, Hello I'm BEF, you will probably scum read me early on and want to lynch me. Please don't.

Scum probably won't NK me (if they know how I am) and will leave me for a mislynch or lylo stuff.

Please just let me do my thing.

Please

Hey, was that a pre-written post or not?

Assuming scum!BEF, this might be one of the reasons why ejjinami got killed first.
An astute observation, and an "outside of the box" view on the matter.
While some of us (myself and profii at least?) focused on the agenda behind the post, ejjinami was able to call it out as pre-planned instead of an organic, in-the-moment -type of an opener..

Foist

Are you scum? Answer honestly or I’ll check you at night

Or maybe it was just this that lead toejjinami getting NK'd first. Scum!Una could see this as a cheeky crumb for a D2 investigation result.

That's a good point actually. Aloratom wants everyone dead... must be scums heh

Unfortunately, I can see this being from a scum-buddy as well.

-----THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE WALLS, AND I DO NOT FEEL SORRY ABOUT IT.--------

However, I'll have to

say

that I'm sorry.

[UnaBombaH]

You don’t want to talk about scummates then? ): what a shame

Oh, sorry, I have this thing...

... you may never have heard of it...

It's called a

life

?

Kinda defensive tone

Do you have any scum or town reads?

Yet again, considering that ejji ended up being the first kill, this could be feeding into someones worries about their aggressiveness.

Maybe geraintm could confirm that for us.

Why geraintm?

This reaction from a confirmed townie towards a confirmed scum seems very different now.

I don’t wanna lynch Jake, Bright, Una and poooossibly egix but I don;t think I can say anything about the rest rn

+

Right, add profii to the list, they seem fine as well

An interesting list..?

From the people still alive, this leaves Emperor flippyNips, Ame and Boon? And at the time there were more obv. but it would be an interesting idea to think that ejji had made all the right calls up until this point..

I got nothing. No one looks scummy to me yet. I am useless at finding scum day 1 (I am 99% sure that any effort spent trying to decode players votes and posts day 1 is useless, and I am wish I could go into every game with a policy of being on every wagon going just to get this time over with), and it is a weekend so I am barely paying any attention to anything.

Yeah I'm just going to vote you

VOTE: Geraintm

You haven't really attempted to sort anyone either way so.........

I feel like this is a reasonable vote for early D1.

geraintm (4) ~

aloratom

,

bob3141

, jake from state farm, profii

..and this is the votecount right after. Just as a note for myself.

Proffi’s 165 post strikes me as odd. He votes for the player currently with the most votes and justifies it with a claim where almost everyone in the game so far with the exception of a few would qualify. I think post 157 is a pretty flimsy one to quote while jumping onto a developing wagon.

Vote: Proffi

Now, trying to avoid my bias for profii, I have to note that posts like these could also mean something down the line when scum think about potential nightkill-targets.
Mavsfan was the 2nd one to go at night.

I didnt even realise it was a wagon

I nearly wrote out a big justification saying that I dont like when people sit on day 1 and complain that they cant find anything scummy as it's usually scum being incapable of faking a read.

I also nearly said voting for this always gets people voting for me

But I couldn't be bothered to write it out

Was this a necessary explanation to make?

So how do you find scum on day 2, if you cant on day 1? (That's not a trick question)

In fact I'll just jump ahead rather than wait for you to say it - on day 2 once you get a flip and a kill then you know a bit more about what's going on - obvious right?

The problem is it's great for those that haven't done much on day 1 - they can look at the players and be like well you pushed so and so and they flipped so you must be whatever

But we cant do that to you if you dont even guess, which makes you harder to read in day 2 as much

I do like the train of thought here, a lot.
I absolutely hate it when people end D1's hastily "just because they can't do anything D1".
I know it's NAI for profii to have this perspective, but I can't help myself - I really feel like this comes more likely from town than it does from scum.
The last few lines wouldn't be there if it was just a scum doing the minimal effort and posing. Right?

A lurk lynch is policy, a player saying they arent getting reads is kinda 1 tier above in terms of trying to appear here but not lynch

My point exactly.

This is why I like to create drama usually. Gives people to talk about. This game is definitely stale

This is actually quite a bit off-position!
There HAD been some good starting points for separate discussions going on in the latest pages, but Robb completely ignores it all and calls the game stale.
Did he even read what was being talked about?

[UnaBombaH]

Received a prod, sorry about that people!
I'll catch up sometime tomorrow, and will probably jump on a wagon I deem worthy.

People want to know what I dont like. Lurkers who come in and joins wagons to keep pressure off themselves.

I now know this was gera practicing some amount of self-preservation as he was the leading wagon at the time. But is it survivalistic to the point of coming from scum? Anyway, in retrospect I'd say it was a precaution 100%.
Scummy or not.

But unah isn’t under any pressure. So why take that jab? You’re under some and trying to deflect off yourself

Wait, why does this post from Robb, AGAIN, feel like it was out of context?
Like, he misinterpreted gera to a high degree here.
Like I just wrote, gera's agenda was definitely self-preserving, but it doesn't have anything to do with what Robb said here?
Ech.

You don’t have s serious vote in play. At least back that up with a vote

But this is still relevant and true.

Find some town

Found one. Mavsfan.

You?

No idea what or why this was. But this is scum town-binning a PR who gets killed N2.

I was just trying to taunt the scum. Maybe they'd waste a bullet on me if they thought I was something special.

I feel douchy for quoting myself, but I need to point out this section of the game for anyone who wants to see what initially resonated with me this game.

I also have to point out that Boon should be able to find town!Una easily in the 204 - 207.

As much as I love all the nice/friendly vibes so far in this game, it is stagnating very quick.

I would L-1 gerain but with so many inactives I don't want a lolhammer to pop out of no where and ruin any vca type of stuff we would get from that wagon.

This is a throwaway comment that now bugs me immensely.
Like...why would a lolhammer ruin the VCA on a wagon?
It's still a wagon with votes on it.
People have given

some

reasons for voting/not voting, but we'd get a result from it nonetheless.

Here's a thought

Weird, that we haven't had to go through the typical conversation of: Is town or scum more likely to self-vote in RVS?

My opinion is that self-voting is a scummy thing to do but is unfortunately not AI. That being said...

VOTE: espressojet

..followed by a vote on the now-confirmed-town.. Not a very good post for BEF.
I think this whole post might be BEF slipping on perspective in some perverted way, but I can't quite wrap my head around it yet.
I'll return to this.

I am a bit uneasy with Una... I feel like his reasons for voting were a bit mechanical BUT this is day 1 and the game is a relatively low paced affair so it could be excused.

Consider Una in my 'hmm suspicious' pile

This is profii being profii. 100% NAI.

Person i currently most want to lynch, which is as good as you are going to get from me today instead of "most scummy"

emperorflippynips - because 2 posts aint enough
mavs fan - 3 posts and the last is not joining the wagon on me, but instead voting for someone who is pushing a wagon on a townie. just too easy to have so few posts and trying to appear good in the future

This is gera spending enormous amounts of time and effort in being very careful and not committing.
And just in case anyone actually reads these walls and might be wondering - their vote was sitting on profii for all this time.

You have weak reads ok. That happens.

But who is the top scum read even if its weak. And vote there

Even if you migth not be comfortable seeing the wagon grow large

I have no idea how we got to lynching bob D1 when there was so much lazy and scummy stuff thrown around.
Guess I'll get there soon enough.

You seem like the kind of player who would want to play it safe to the point of completely closing themselves off to any sort of information till they get a mechanical confirmation...
Sigh

I don’t really wanna argue about this.

Referring to my previous assumption that scum read ejji as an investigative...
This was directed at gera, but was out there for anyone to read in conjuction with the previous "hint".
Was ejji trying to pull the NK their way?

I played a game recently and in that game there were 2 players:

Player A came in right off the bat and essentially said Day 1 is rubbish I dont like it I wont do much today
Player B was fairly resistant to any probing, got lynched and was scum.

I feel like Player A, whilst they came in and said it's rubbish and kinda owned it, they at least did go 'yeah that's scummy or not' through the day and tried to help town.
Ger feels much more like player B who just tried hard not to engage, got themselves stuck, lynched and flipped scum.

If this is a true example, I really like it.
Also, once more, I do not see scum coming up with posts like these.

Shade noted.

Ummmmm... No shade there either.
It was me realizing there was actually a wagon on them already when I thought I was going to start a new one.

But the VC was right ahead of you by 2 posts.

And it's funny because now I know this was scum trying to poke at me.

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom

,

bob3141

, jake from state farm, profii, unabombah

Scum was leading this wagon for a long time, but it never got all the way through.
So either their teammates were avoiding it(?) to make sure they aren't all caught in the same mislynch, or the wagon was already on their scumbuddy.
In the 2nd scenario I think Robb and profii would both be most likely town as well.
If this is a wagon on town!gera however, I think this wagon almost has to have a second scum in it..

I’ll play eventually

VOTE: flavour leaf

Oh wow, I somehow missed this D1.
After all the speeches gera gave us about being sticky with their votes...this?
THIS is what made them move their vote?
I also really dislike the exchange that followed.

Fun play. I wonder if it’s scum indicative. Looks like a last ditch attempt to try and fool le townies into going “oh FL hasn’t played what oh my should we do?! He’s prob scum!!!!”

And ya took the bait, gerry poo, ya took the damn bait

This feels forced.

im not sure i get this? you are admitting you are playing badly, deliberatly trying to get people to vote for you, and then brag when someone has?

and people wonder why i say Day 1 is pants if this was someone's plan....

..and this feels like a silly thing to do? Vote someone, and the argue with them about why you voted them?
Like, I do not think you'll make

them

see why they'd be a good vote.

I’m not playing badly. I just haven’t been playing, don’t get it twisted, fella.

Again, the tone feels forced.

...I do not like the idea of Boon deepwolfing this game.

[UnaBombaH]

FL gets flack for talking too much and not talking enough, poor fella. However, I don't think I ever played with quiet FL though, so this is pining me.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

God help me.

With all the scumreading I've done on BEF recently, this still seems just about right to me.
Silent Boon isn't Boon.

ohhh I just rechecked the VC and was reminded Geraint is voting FL too.

UNVOTE:

..but this muddies the waters for me immensely.
Like, is this scum!BEF realizing that their faked scumread is also voting for Boon? (

team could be BEF + Boon

)
Or is this scum!BEF taking a cheeky "distance" from gera by "refusing to be on the same wagon"? (

team could be BEF + gera

)
OR.
Am I wrong about BEF, meaning that this was him

ACTUALLY

realizing after voting that he is sheeping his prior top scumread?

feels like a ploy...

THIS JUST DOESN'T SEEM REAL TO ME!?!?!?!? ASDASSDFSDFDASDASDFSDSDASDDSFSDFSDFSDASDASDASD

I don't know if I could put a number on it. His play so far is scummy and he's useless so he is definitely a good day 1 lynch. He's going to be harder to lynch as the days go on and he's skillful enough as scum to fool everyone.

Truer words might have been said somewhere, sometime, but I do not necessarily know what or when.

I am not a huge fan of bussing as scum. My scum game is on point so i don't need to do that.

The thing here being that you haven't voted for Boon when it matters.
This feeds into my original paranoia of S/S Boon/Robb.
You say this, but I'm quite certain you could've piled on Boon during this game, and chose not to do it.
Despite all the times you've said you would be there in a heartbeat.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if you want to try a flash wagon, then go for it. It will at least ease my mind that both of you are scum if it goes through.

I'll hazard a guess here: scum!BEF wouldn't encourage town!Robb to lynch scum!Boon.
Scum!BEF could fake this with their buddy Robb though. I think I had a paranoia-read of a team Boon-BEF-Robb.
Since I now know that can't be true, I can finally make a ruling for myself?

Boon and BEF are definitely not S/S.

I'll stick to this until the end, be it right or wrong, and use it as my guiding light.
I've had enough of second guessing myself and losing to paranoia in the end.

There has to be interest in one though. Right now the only one voting him is the guy close to lynch. I’m not going to start a wagon when a perfectly good one exists.

Robb has a way of making good, reasonable posts every time I start to suspect their alignment..

Fine, I'll hammer it. It still feels like your playing on both sides of FL though.

VOTE: germaint

A silly fake-hammer.

Fl.

Germain is close to lynch already and I am fine with that, but a flash on FL would be cool.

Isn't that kind of reckless? I guess I'd prefer a more methodical approach than a everyone jump on the lurker one.

Scum speaks after a lengthy silence.
Not wanting a wagon on Boon it seems?

Pissed if someone hammered me without any warning. This has been the laziest day one lynch I've seen in a long time.
Need to look who joined for crappy reasons come tkmorrow

I think someone already pointed out how silly this post was.

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

Ah, it was this post.
I now remember why I thought bob was obv.scum.
I thought this was scum posing as a worried townie.
And even went so far as to draw the association between BEF and bob in my head. Oh well..

VOTE: Aloratom

I see your still voting geraintm with your rvs vote. You have ben posting all the while its steadily reached l-1.

yet no real attempt to sort him or move the lynch off else where.

Only post whre you talk about an alignment is when you say that one of mav posts look towny. At no point who you think might be scum.

Why you think geraintn is scum

So, it seems I happened to be the unfortunate soldier who started the wagon on bob.
I still stand behind my read on the situation, but it was a mistake nonetheless.
But.
Will things get interesting when

town!bob started this wagon on now-confirmed scum?

I mean, egix96 - another confirmed townie - was already sitting on an alora-vote, but this could've actually made it a wagon.

I feel like I'm at a bit of a decision point on the geraintm wagon and that decision is going to be influenced with bobs input quite significantly.

I concede that I am probably a bit more stuck on the wagon than normal, usually I'd probably agree with bob and say "the wagon has happened fast, scum will be in there" - I am trying to adjust my playstyle to stick to my belief rather than let people talk me out lynching someone - the desired effect being I dont get talked out of lynching scum as that seems to be happening to me.

So looking at the geraintm situation. I feel like bob is happy to dissolve the geraintm wagon. There is part of me that thinks 'he could be right and it could be a scum rush' but I think I am going to double down on my feeling that geraintm is scum and actually vote for

VOTE: bob

The reason being - i wonder if he is white knighting (Is that the right term? Helping kill the wagon on his scum mate Geraintm is what I mean...) I think bob has successfully killed the momentum on geraintm so let's move on. Some of bob's language is really bugging me too which is making me feel more confident something fishy is going on, rather than it being bobs theory of scum just getting on a wagon... for example...


"If he is scum it is prob being bussed as i dont see why scum wouldnt.
If he germ is town. Then are scum on it or have they avoid the wagon. Leaving us to vote it up and mislynch. Resulting in a all town wagon on town."
"if germitn is town and i cant see scum acting the way he did"


I feel like the 2nd line is very fence sitty, "he could be town or he could be scum" - yet happy to kill the wagon which says you dont want him lynched
The 3rd line (different post) bugged be just because it starts with an if, but doesn't sound hypothetical by the end, but it might just be the way I'm reading it.


TL;DR - I am doubling down that something scummy is going on in {geraintm / bob}

A lengthy post, and a vote attached.

The reasoning is all fine and dandy, but I now know that the wagon on alora was all town so far (egix and bob) AND the wagon on on bob was all-town as well!! (mavsfan and myself)

Meaning that the scum either sat on the sidelines even longer, or this was the vote where they made their dedication to the first mislynch.
profii had to choose, and chose not to bus, right?
And consider this - staying on gera was still definitely a choice, but for whatever reason profii felt like "the momentum of the wagon was killed".

And my gut says atleast one scum was on the wagon

VOTE: Bob

You seem sure about germain being town. I don't really see how you could be so certain based on play alone. I think you know his alignment.

..and BEF isn't far behind..

One of these two latest votes is almost definitely from scum.

@mavsfan

what should i do to defend myself. i cant sit there and go "I'm town" - but that wouldn't work.
I could sit there and try and generate a new wagon, but at the time i didn't have anyone i really wanted to lynch and i wasn't going to fake anything.
I've since called out people with crappy reasons for voting me, to me that is a defence - pointing out that the wagon was just dumb (jake claims that they got scum vibes from my random vote for exmaple).

I didn't think i was going to get lynched (i didn't think there was anymore townies who could convince themselves to vote for me, and no scum would hammer when i would turn up innocent), which was why i was shocked when i got hammered.

What would you have done different to me? You'd have gone out and found scum and presented their body all hogged up for the rest of us to lynch? or something else?

This is a silly post. Of course no one is expecting you to bag 'em scum Day 1. You're pinging hard here.

VOTE: geraintm

Scum building distance?
Alora could've stayed on espresso, and bob would've likely gotten lynched either way.
So I do not see why scum would move from wagon to another at this time..

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: bob

im good with this, now one more vote & flavor lolhammers

Still a potential lurky scum to be a teammate for profii/BEF.

Unvote: bob3141

In retrospect - a very towny thing to do.
One (or two?) scum now trapped in a wagon for someone to VCA later.

I know I'm not the first to point it out, Bob, but what is it with you defending geraintm? Are the two of you tied at the hip? You're really not making sense. No one comes in with the expectation that they're going to nail scum in the middle of Day 1. It just doesn't happen that way. Why even put that in there/make a point of it? You can get lucky, sure, but really you're just building a dossier for later in the game. Geraintm's not making a file, and he's spending most of his time telling everyone why he's not. And you're spending a bunch of time telling everyone why Geraintm's not building a file. Why is that? Mavsfan suggested a wagon on you. I had a whole thing on why I didn't necessarily think it was a good idea at this point, but when I read it it didn't come out the way I wanted it to, ie. sounded stupid, so I deleted almost all of it and ended up with the one sentence. It happens. Bascally it came down to me thinking it's too easy for scum to slide in without being noticed. It just seemed like a self-evident statement not worth taking the time to put down. I'll ask a related question though. Your wagon built up fairly quickly. Do you have reads on anyone voting you right now?

This post might mean a lot in relation to the gera-slot.

BEF is town. If I ever change my mind or start hesitating, honestly fuck me. Him entertaining the idea of Flavor&Jake being a team and joking about it so much is just weird at this point.
He most likely joked about it precisely because he was aware that the idea is unlikely to be true.
It feels as if he’s focused NOT on pushing a ML but on just.... like.... idk. Himself
And progressing the game and sharing his thoughts while “preparing himself for failure”.

This could fuel the fires of silencing ejji.
Before they come out with those feared night-results, and while they still lock BEF as town.
Scum!BEF -stocks are still on the rise.

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

I know I didn't hammer. But I still like the wagon. Your weird "delayed" reaction to this is suspect.

It's not really... I also spotted it was a fake hammer and ignored it, the right thing to do is ignore it and let everyone else react

I feel like your maybe trying to force a reason to vote bob which is quite scummy tbh

*Huoh*. (frustrated outbreath in finnish)
So is this ever S/S? If it is, it's good.
No doubt profii can do it.

bob3141 (4) ~

unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips

aloratom

(3) ~

egix96, bob3141, ejjinami

geraintm (2) ~

jake from state farm,

aloratom

Consider me green in the first wagon.
I refuse to color myself these days, and would rather only color confirmed players - no subliminal messages included..

The whole "I can't bring you scum gift wrapped with a bow on top on Day 1" so I'm not going to effort it attitude. And no, you're really wrong about the vote thing lol. You seem to be playing the same character in this game as you were in our previous one.

In retrospect Alora has been nothing but a shade-dispenser.
First me, then espresso, now gera..

I don't understand lynching a wagon just because it reaches a certain size. That seems wolfy as hell tbh.

..then Robb.. (this was targeted at them for voting bob)

BEF is town. If I ever change my mind or start hesitating, honestly fuck me. Him entertaining the idea of Flavor&Jake being a team and joking about it so much is just weird at this point.
He most likely joked about it precisely because he was aware that the idea is unlikely to be true.

I honesty am worried it could be so.

Flavor and Jake doesn't make sense. Jake seems genuinely worried there. I don't think he's faking.

What on earth is this?? I honestly do not see what this post was in reference to..
Robb hadn't been showing worries about anything this far..

I think there's possibly scum in Bob, but it's a weak read right now, pretty much based on his defense of geraintm. I'm not wholly sure what others not on his wagon think of him. That being said, how many mislynches do you think we have in this game?

Silly silly silly.
And still talking about gera.
I think it's more scum!gera -indicative, than town!gera though.
Gives a nice bit of distance in the unfortunate scenario where gera is actually flipped.

I am disappointed his wagon fell apart. I feel 90% sure he is scum

Me too, but now mainly to help me sort the bob slot.

BEF-Alora-gera would be an easy solve at this point?

Also, UnaBombaH - I think you’re straight up town. The reason I picked you cause you were a solid foil of what I thought was a solid fake hammer strategy (haven’t seen it before but I sorta get it) and BEF who like 2 pages later piggy backed and did THE SAME EXACT THING which I found hilarious. He posts every 48 hours as if he’s setting an alarm so he doesn’t get prodded then disappears. He posts a lot but all of it is reactions and not research or active scum hunting. All of it just SCREAMS scum to me.

Unvote: Jake from State Farm

Vote: BEF

Could be onto something here.

..sigh.. @Bob: I think you're trying to bait me into voting you so you can say I WAS RIGHT LOOK LOOK LOOK!!! I have a weak read on you, and yes, I did give a reason. wrt geraintm wagon everyone gave their reasons for joining it and had interactions with him. Really nothing I wanted to add at the time. I'm not voting you right now because I don't think more from you is necessary atm.

Alora is delaying voting bob at this point only because 1 or even 2 scum were already on the wagon.

Reading the game from the start to this point now clearly shows to me that bob was never an obvious lynch here.

Meaning that one scum shouldn't worry about voting there, as being on gera could've been just as dangerous, if not even more so(?)

Scum is still in profii/BEF/FlippyNips.

[UnaBombaH]

Ejiinami

Jake from State Farm

Mavsfan

Aloratom

Brighteyedfish

UnaBombah

Egix

profii
*Emperor flippyNips

Espressojet

Bob

geraintm

Coloring is my own.
In the reality where Boon is scum, this is still exactly what their reads-list would be like..
Meaning that in this reality the team is Boon+Alora and STILL one of profii/BEF.

Scum wins by looking more town than the weakest town member and that's what BEF reeks of, trying to look more pro-town than the worst townie. It all seems disingenuous to me.

Whenever I read something that mavsfan wrote, scum!BEF doesn't look one bit less likely.

The answer is profii.

One of the reasons why I thought Boon would be scum.
You don't post stuff like this and expect me not to notice it.
And then play like you never followed up on it.

was that an actual hammer this time?
i wouldn't have voted for bob today if anyone was intersted.

Egix and Emperor better have good reasons why they were so absent today

And then there's stuff like this.
This doesn't make gera look more town - it makes them look more like someone who is fighting for survival and "town-points".

Also, that L-1 from Espresso is pinging me more than FLs hammer imo.

THIS. MIGHT. HAVE. BEEN. A. TMI-SLIP.
...........
Why?

Regardless of Bob's alignment.

BECAUSE HERE COMES THE LATE SAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

[UnaBombaH]

And that was D1.
Off to bed now, I'll continue from D2 tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

I am still committed to my recap of D2.
Just has to wait for tomorrow when I'm done with work for this week..

[UnaBombaH]

Una has openly been trying to draw a night kill - I mean I spotted the hints pretty early, but I do know that Una tends to do that, so it probably stands out to me.

If it stood out for you, how come you managed to miss this?

Maybe they'd waste a bullet on me if they thought I was something special.

+

I would've been bulletproof last night, but I guess it was a long shot anyway.

I do not know what else you could do as a Bulletproof, but try and bait the kill your way.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm going to continue my recap now from D2.
However, before I do, I think FlippyNips needs to claim.
Their entrance to this day suggested a couple of things to me, but I want them to claim just to leave no wiggle room for later.
I've read a couple of recent games where people let an all-out lurker get through to MyLo/LyLo and town always gets shafted in the end.

So I know people might disagree with this, but quite frankly I don't care. I'm sick of people being allowed to coast their way through games.

And don't get me wrong, I've played with FlippyNips before, and I have no personal issues with them. (I don't think I have any issues with anyone!)
But he needs to be forced into playing more. There isn't much worth analyzing from him yet, and that might royally screw us D5 if we mislynch today.

The way they started this day by openly throwing me in the townbin..let's take a short recap.

VOTE: una

This feels right

This was before the end of D3.
Although, admittedly, there were some..factors..

Oh I haven’t ISO’d tho

+

That’s based off of my memory of him

So at the end of the day, I was at the bottom of flippyNips' scumpool.
I'll be the first one to admit that I did nothing particularly towny

i went back over una & didn't feel the same as before, i'd like to kill within BEF, Rob, & profi. i need to iso them as of right now im leaning Rob over the other two

i'd also be down for a no kill if it comes down to it

I do not believe this. I mean the part where he says he "went back over una".
flippyNips didn't read my ISO over the night, so he either reversed his read just because, or he's scum trying to get an easy ally.

@flippynips - Now, if I am being unfair here, and you really did ISO-dive me during the nightphase and adjusted your reads accordingly, I'll apologize after the game.
But my assessment of you as a player says you would never do that to sort a player like me. You might put in the effort if you were super-invested in the game, or it was for a high-rolling player like the Boons and RC's of the site. And Robbs I guess.

[UnaBombaH]

Of the people still alive I want pressure on:
BEF (

I’ll withhold on this one as I’m still not sure if he’s scummy or just not quite sure of his play style

.)

This could have all sorts of potential interpretations now?

VOTE: geranium

Still think this flips scum.

There's got to be more to it than that.

This feels like scum!Alora doing their signature move from D1.
Poking at a townie to shade them.

VOTE: Gera

I could see it too. Didn’t like their play when they were nearing lynch yesterday

The start of D2 has included a tonally casual interaction between Alora and Flavor, that feels almost like it had been agreed upon beforehand.

And I'm usually pretty content and less paranoid on things when Jake and I have similar reads.

Assuming town!Robb now, so this could either be Boon feeling a little relief, or scum!Boon cozying it up with Robb.

Going up in gsp is like a drug

VOTE: Geraintm

Posts like this is why I absolutely NEED flippy to play more.
This gives me absolutely nothing to analyze or read.
On some other players this might be alignment indicative, but with guys like flippy it can mean absolutely nothing or everything with very little in between.

Ok but bob town doesn’t say anything about germ’s alignment.

OK, Robb HAS TO BE town. Not because of coming up with something as simple as this, but actually saying it. If that makes sense.

And you ignore the whole counter wagon argument.

We tried and failed to lynch germ. We lynched a townie instead. If germ was town, odds are a new wagon wouldn’t have formed on somebody else.

Like..this isn't ABSOLUTELY the truth.
D1 we didn't know any better, and just as an example, I gave that wagon a rather loud push because of how they reacted to my reaction-test.
But the core argument is still there, I guess.

VOTE: geraintm

You've got a point.

Now this feels like a very obvious thing?
Alora decides it's better to not try and fight the wagon on their buddy(?) and rather bus while it still might give some distance.

But there's the WIFOM of whether they were playing this properly or not.
If gera is town here, a good scumplayer would still do this show, just so they have the argument of "I was originally against it, but Boon and Robb talked me into it".
Meaning that if Gera is scum, Robb and Boon are very likely town..?
If gera is town, one of Boon/Robb could still be scum, and one (or two) scum definitely was not going to join the wagon. (because it would already have 1-2 scum in it after Alora joins)

Interesting.

This is a bit spicy. At the point of this post 'most people' was you and FL.

Granted EFN has voted Ger but I actually kinda agree with alorotom that i dont think Ger is scum in spite of being the c/w

There is nothing stopping us getting it wrong twice and scum just laughing at us

..and considering town!gera, this would most likely come from Aloras scumbuddy, the one who would refuse to join the wagon.

Unas point about the counter wagon being likely to have less scum is logical, but I'm wary because I didnt realise he was on both wagons there... I feel like he is inviting me to conclude scum wouldn't be brazen and vote for town slot after town slot without actually saying it directly which is uncomfortable.

So If I interpreted profiis post correctly, he quoted the votecount below, and thinks it made sense when I said there'd be less scum in the counterwagon..? Let's see then, shall we?

Vote count 1.4

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom

,

bob3141

, jake from state farm, profii, unabombah

espressojet (3) ~

espressojet, ejjinami

, brighteyedfish

profii (1) ~

geraintm

aloratom (1) ~

egix96

bob3141 (1) ~

mavsfan41

not voting (2) ~

Emperor flippyNips, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

I'd hazard a statement - Damn right there weren't many scum there.

It hard for me to imagine that there is not at least 1 scum on that Bob wagon.

That leaves:
unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm,

espressojet

, flavor leaf

Well, this sorty of isn't new information at this point anymore, but BEF brought it up very humbly at the start of D2. Lo and behold - this lists all the players still alive D4, minus gera/ame.
If anything, posts like this give BEF more scum- than townpoints in my eyes, as it fits the narrative the scumteam decided to push for throughout the game.

[UnaBombaH]

BEF, one of Egix/Aloratom, then possibly Espresso for the scum team is standing out to me.
.

I may not want Gera anymore

If BEF were to flip scum, this would already be a 2/3 solve.

VOTE: Gera

I could see it too. Didn’t like their play when they were nearing lynch yesterday

put yourself in the shoes of an uniformed townie, are my actions consistent with that?

This feels like silly posing.

I literally just realized something when doing this. I read this post by gera, that has a quotation from myself.
From the start of D2.

Now assume germ is town - you could argue that 0-1 scum were ever in the bob lynch.

(obv. could be any other number too, but for the sake of your argument about odds)
These scum would now want gera lynched, because they'd have the angle of "I wanted gera yesterday, but then you guys formed a counterwagon on a townie".
So lynching gera today becomes almost like a freebie..

I still think I had a point here, but we now KNOW that 2-3 scum were on that lynch.
So simple logic should tell me that gera is indeed NOT town?

I think I am at 4 votes and not everyone has actually posted today. I know you can't all be scum, so a bunch of you are sucky townies.

+

I played with aloratom last game, he is giving me way different vibes than that game. flavour just appears to get on my nerves, but the rest of you seem to accept it and he is never going to get lynched. emperor and egix I want removed from the game because they make playing mafia impossible.

but VOTE: aloratom

Would make sense if scum!gera thought they were going to be the designated lynch already.
Distancing from a scumbuddy before going down.

aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

OK, FINALLY a post that helps me be more decisive when it comes to Boon. Yass!
This is Boon jumping from a likely lynch on gera into a scum.
Meaning that we lynch gera today, and on a scumflip I can finally feel better about Boon being town.
Townflip on gera has bad implications for him though.........

if aloratom flips scum, then egix would be an interesting place to go after, agree with that reasoning

And this is scum trying to squeeze a mislynch from losing a teammate?
"If we lose alora, we will make sure to take egix down with us"?

It hard for me to imagine that there is not at least 1 scum on that Bob wagon.

That leaves:
unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

FL hammer is a FL hammer. I wish this was AI but FL could still go other way. This is where his meta helps him as both alignments. So I will remove him (and myself) for my current PoE

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

Una and (lurky) Nippy are still null for me right now:

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

This might be absolutely nothing, but I got a slight ping from this.
There's a silly mistake here, you see.

Profii

BEF has removed me and "Nippy" from the first line already, before explaining why.
Hence, he repeats the exact same "line of remaining suspects" after mentioning us separately.

Could be a legit mistake, but if I'd play the devils advocate here, I'd say that the post might be "crafted" in the sense that he added/changed something to fit an agenda or faked reads better.
Meaning that since I know my own alignment, I'm also wary of the chance that scum!BEF might now imply scum!Nippy.

'tis all. Otherwise I really like BEF's effort so far.

I wonder if posts like these might have some implications D4?
I'll have to return to this.

It took me a couple of reads to understand what you meant. It was a copy/cut/paste error I'm assuming. I was just trying to deduce the bob wagon to get a starting point for myself today.

I just hope this game doesn't evolve so quickly into a setup spec thing because I am not the best in that area. I like to rely more on VCA and associations.

I think I sort of just accepted this explanation back then, but now that I think about it more - how would you make a cut/copy/paste-error where you remove people too early, YET MENTION THEM AFTER THAT?
Like, I'm not trying to shout from a spectrum here, but I could see someone having too many names on a later list?
I could see them cutting away names by accident, and then not addressing those names at all.
But BEF did address us. By saying that we are null, and nothing else.
Also, if you look at the order in the full list -

unabombah

, profii,

brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips

, jake from state farm, espressojet,

flavor leaf

.
Bolded names are the ones he took right away.He says it's himself and Boon (who he addresses first).
Assuming he could've cut Flippy away by accident when cutting away himself, it still doesn't explain how he could've accidentally cut away myself from the start.
Now, I know you are all raising your lushious eyebrows at me, but to me this is the type of a mix-up that comes from when you try to manufacture and sort of "forge" content, instead of just working from top to bottom.
BEF definitely doctored this out of order. (NAI or not)

I was catching up, this was the first post I came to. He voted me saying he still thinks I am scum, but I basically am ignoring his thinking due to
a) thinking I am scum for some reason
b) the way he talked himself into lynching Bob yesterday.

I have him basically pegged as "bad player" and this was me saying as much,

This is gera opening the hostilities btw, not Robb.
Not sure if it's town being frustrated, or scum trying to AtE.

VOTE: aloratom

I nearly voted Espresso, but I think his L-2 vote, knowing FL would L-1 (which is NAI from FL) was kinda too scummy to be scum... My expectation of Day 1 was that the wagon on bob was going to actually die out and we would move on to another wagon, I'm not sure why it just felt like momentum had passed... so the rapid 2 votes with no claim etc was a bit of a surprise.

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town' - I nearly voted for espresso, but I think that vote was too risky perhaps... Unless the scum team is Espresso and Ger and the fear was the wagon would revert to Ger after it failed on Bob.

But anyway, I'll read the thread more later and look at what I can find, this is my gut feeling for now.

I'm not sure if I wrote this up in my D1 recap, but profii always does this to me.
Starts slipping into the scumpile, and then just comes up and makes an obviously towny post.

I think aloratom is scum.
I also think the lurkers need to be flushed out too

..and back to the drawing board again..
This seems more like a solid stance, rather than posing for the sake of towncred.

Geraintm I also get a weird townie read (scum I feel would be more, umm, “careful” when posting) but I know why he wasn’t NK’ed....

???????????
AGAIN, things like this could've had meaningful implications considering what he flipped.

Actually, I had three votes yesterday, geraintm, espresso, and geraintm. But that's alright.

Sure, why not?

I see 4 votes on aloratom as of now and don't want to bring him to L-1 when day 2 just started (although Flavor Leaf isn't available to hammer) but reading back through the game, it doesn't look great. Even now it doesn't.

OK, I think we are approaching another important moment in terms of wagons.
Mavsfan has done a good job in their last few posts pinning alora down as scum.
But since I know alora didn't get lynched D2, SOMETHING happened after this point to turn the situation around.

[UnaBombaH]

If you look at who wasn't on the Bob wagon, you've got egix, geraintm, you and me. I'm not convinced that all the scum were on the Bob wagon. So if I'm weighing between geraintm and espresso, and I already have a read on geraintm, I stick with geraintm. If espresso starts pinging harder, I'll take another look, but I see no reason to switch just because I think he gave a scummy answer.

This post could still implicate gera.

Vote count 2.1

aloratom (4) ~

geraintm, flavor leaf, profii,

egix96

geraintm (2) ~

jake from state farm,

aloratom

espressojet (2) ~

brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips

emperor flippynips (1) ~

espressojet

not voting (2) ~

UnaBombaH,

mavsfan41

with 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch

Noteworthy to say that mavsfan was also very adamant about scum!alora at this point.
Meaning that if anyone joined the wagon at this point, they are very unlikely to be scum IMO.
Furthermore, the next move away from this wagon is quite likely to have scum in it.

And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

Well, hindsight is 20/20, but you are at least off by one.

And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

Why is alo town

+1 to profii.

And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

And in case anyone asks why. Just gut

Argh, I keep wanting to ignore you and you do dumb crap like this.
how does it feel to go through life with the ability to have 127% conviction in everything you believe in, with zero evidence?

Like, seriously are you like this in real life? if so, how on Earth have people not stabbed you?

BTW, this is the second time gera stepped on/over the line while Jake had done nothing but push a pig-headed tunnel on them. Which is gameplay, not personal.

@ aloratom

you are at 4 votes right now, with 6 needed to lynch.#

I'm fairly sure Mavsfan is close to voting for you
I'm fairly sure jake will happily switch to a wagon for no good reason just for giggles.

I have zero idea of what Una is thinking today.
Espresso I am not sure is capable of really expressing himself - there has been one post with content today and it was just a string of questions for other people - it literally was not worth the effort required to understand it

I'm like 75% sure you are the lynch today, you are going to have to give people a really good reason not to have you dead by the end of the day.

Is this scum posing, or townie really REALLY trying hard?

I think the wagons have stalled between Alo vs {Ger and Espresso} - We've discussed the potential link between Ger and Espresso, but that's obviously split the voters. I think we should either decide on one, which may lead us to another scum, but pre-flip associatives are bad,

so let's just lynch alo today please...

Would scum!profii push for a bus so hard here? Somehow I don't think they would.

And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

And in case anyone asks why. Just gut

Argh, I keep wanting to ignore you and you do dumb crap like this.
how does it feel to go through life with the ability to have 127% conviction in everything you believe in, with zero evidence?

Like, seriously are you like this in real life? if so, how on Earth have people not stabbed you?

Piss off

OK, this is the first time Jake has said something "personal" this game. And response to someone asking why Jake hasn't been stabbed IRL yet?

No need to make personal attacks. This is just a game

Now I want to make clear - I'm not defending the guy in general, but in this particular game and case, he got shafted by the court.

I just re-read al's iso and don't see anything scummy. comparing al and germ, hands down germ is scummier and more likely to flip scum.

This is interesting though.
Are they both scum, or did Robbs reads get screwed up when he obviously got heated for the BS from gera?

Vote count 2.1

aloratom (4) ~

geraintm, flavor leaf, profii,

egix96

geraintm (2) ~

jake from state farm,

aloratom

espressojet (2) ~

brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips

emperor flippynips (1) ~

espressojet

not voting (2) ~

UnaBombaH,

mavsfan41

with 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch

We got the EXACT SAME votecount some pages later.
I'm quite sold on town!Robb as of this moment, and leaning town on profii after the way he stuck on the alora-wagon.

Meaning that IMO we have two scum in brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, geraintm, flavor leaf.
I do not see two scum being on alora at this point, so I'd be willing to say that max. one of gera/Boon + 1or2 from BEF/flippy.

This might actually help me in the end, even if it feels useless at times. :

[UnaBombaH]

I’m actually really interested to see what aloratom flips. The way he’s slight pushing certain players (easy-lynch victims) but not pushing other possible scum victims strikes me as him sorta kinda indirectly outting his scum buddies. The way he’s passively played with not leaning too too much strikes me as someone who wouldn’t bus his own teammates. I think if aloratom flips scum, the rest will be kinda easy to pick off.

mavsfan gets my vote for town-MVP from beyond the grave.

I still think alo flips scum here- I think maybe this wagon hasn't stalled people are just scared of the lol hammer - seems like enough people will vote

Only way profii is scum here, is if they had decided to go for a bus here anyway.
Plenty of opportunities to go elsewhere, and I think profii is a capable enough player to pull it off without raising too many questions.
So I still think Robb and profii are town here. Or their planning and scumwork was out of this world.

Vote: aloratom

If for nothing else, staying oddly calm in this shitshow.

You’re “never stray too much from the middle” trying to stay neutral would’ve worked in lots of games and I truly applaud you! But with the chaos of this game, you def stick out as the one with no opinions. This is your punishment for playing too safe?

Here we go...

That's L-1 on alo btw.
VOTE: gera to see what happens now.

.....

I'm not scum though.
Guys.
Seriously.
I just wanted to see what would happen to the wagon if a competing one was being offered.
I also thought that gera was likely to flip scum, while I didn't have a solid read on alora at all.
Meaning that I thought I was doing the town a service one way or another.
Either we flip scum or town in alora, and then possibly see who jumped on/off the wagon.
And then react on their reactions accordingly!

(Like honestly, I'm not scum here guys! )

I’m already on the wagon. It feels like a mislynch.

Let’s go here.

VOTE: Egix

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

That’s not something I’m actually scum reading him for currently, but I want that in my ISO to quote later in the game to see if it makes sense after some flips.

This, however..
This looks quite bad Boon, my man.
Painting me as scum while jumping off from a scum-wagon that was at L-1. Not a good combination.

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

That’s not something I’m actually scum reading him for currently, but I want that in my ISO to quote later in the game to see if it makes sense after some flips.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

+

That first line is nothing like Boon.

On. The. Fking. Nose.

Una could be saving scum buddy Gera or could be chainsawing me because I just went on their scum partner.

Egix is likely scum with Una, but I’ll focus on Egix for now, and not associate just yet

This hasn't aged well at all either.

yes I am voting him but he won't get lynched.

VOTE: geraintm

This is only the second person to move into a wagon that could legitimately compete with alora per gamestate. So maybe BEF is just as likely, as he is obvious here?

Can someone translate what Boon is talking about here? :O

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

I'm scum because at this particular moment I had voted Gera over Alora?
Meaning that since you explicitly say here that Gera is likely town, it would mean scum!Una tried to create a wagon on town over scum!Alora?
But that can't be it, because in this same post you leave the Alora-wagon with such unclear words, as..

I’m already on the wagon.

It feels like a mislynch.

Let’s go here.

VOTE: Egix

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

So if both Alora and gera are town, scum!Una creating a counterwagon(?) for another town is beneficial why?
You should KNOW I hardly ever reference my own positioning on wagons as either alignment, especially not when I need to be townread sooner or later.
So there was never going to be a moment for your scum!Una where he votes for Gera, hoping Alora gets lynched, and comes back D3 saying "I wasn't on the mislynch = I'm town".
So unless it's a counterwagon scum!Una is trying to create, I do not legitimately believe you could scumread that vote.

So after all this, it was Boon all along?

--I REALLY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK HERE TO HELP SOME ELDERS IN MY FAMILY, SO THE REST OF THIS'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TONIGHT--

[UnaBombaH]

Quick jump-in - THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE IF YOU FOLLOW BOON HERE.
100% genuine town!Una here - this is scum!Boon trying to make the last effort for win.
I'm not set on their buddy yet, but Boon is scum here.

If I go down - Boon MUST be lynched tomorrow, no matter the BS he tries to come up with.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll continue my recap later if the day is still going, but as of now, I reflected upon everything at my parents house.
After all I have been reading, I only felt semi-confident about town!Robb.
Even that might be wrong, but whatever.

However on scumside, I do not see a scumteam without Boon in the head of it anymore.
Boon-Gera or Boon-BEF would solve pretty much everything.

[UnaBombaH]

@una-does going thru the past days help you?

It has helped me immensely. Not sure what it does to others.

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah, I do not see the day going any other way anymore since at least one townie is following him into a mislynch already.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[UnaBombaH]

profii, if you are town here, understand something - gera/ame -slot isn't necessarily scum here.
But one of ame/Boon most certainly is.

My money is on Boon right now.
Boon + ame/BEF is likely the solve.

If I'm todays lynch, then whoever is town here needs to understand that Boon dies tomorrow.
No matter what.
And literally no matter WHAT.
I'll be there in the end taking the responsibility if I'm wrong about them, but I really don't think I am.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and most certainly in the same scenario where I'm right about Boon, flippy and Robb are definitely town.

[UnaBombaH]

Town can still win this quite easily even if I flip, actually.
Flippy and Robb both need to stand their ground and simply refuse to vote me.

Meaning that "they would be scum, refusing the easy mislynch on me."
Boon runs out of narratives tomorrow, unless you let him get away with some silly ass fakeclaim or other.
Either/both of Flippy and Robb could've just agreed to join the wagon, but they didn't.
BEF is still the outlying chance, but I do not understand how ame's trajectory on Boon makes sense today.
Like, didn't they enter D4 with the clear cut idea that Boon is scum, and me and profii(?) need to get out of his pocket?

[UnaBombaH]

I'll also do a fullclaim just because I think it's the right thing to do - I'm a Town N2 N3 N5 N7 N11 Bulletproof.
Yes, I know how that seems, but that is the original PM I got.
Underneath it uses the phrase "on prime-numbered nights" and it also clarifies that it's "up to and including" N11.

And I don't think anyone would expect me to come up with such a silly fakeclaim anyway, but I did even crumb it.
My ISO has pretty early the word "prime" in it.
I also speak about scum "wasting shots" on me.
I ALSO remember "giving" +2 to someone for a good post or something.
I never game the +1, and I think I did +3 and +5 as well.

[UnaBombaH]

And now it's time for Boon to tell everyone how I'm most likely "prime-numbered night"-something, but for scum.

Just know that I always do something like this when I'm a town!PR, and will continue to do so.
I'm off to bed now, I got home so late.. It's 2:48 AM in Finland, so I'm not sure what time I'll be able to post next.

Town!Boon shouldn't be in a hurry to stop my walls or prevent me from posting, but who knows what their gameplan is anymore.

I'll entrust pushing the Boon lynch for Robb.

The townies in profii/ame/BEF/flippy need to wake up when I flip.

[UnaBombaH]

my point is that Una quote doesnt include ame/efn as a team

You know Boon as well as I do, I think.
I've been wrong about him, but this isn't one of those times.
I have the exact same read on him as I did in "Blessed Mafia", and there I was unable to rally everyone behind me before he got me killed.
I called out the entire scumteam there, but it all started from Boon making some mistakes in their "logical gamesolving" that stuck out to me.
Their whole team was playing around a daring fakeclaim-gambit, and it was easier to notice the whole domino-sequence from there.

Here I must admit I can't be certain about his teammates, but Boon is scum.

[UnaBombaH]

1 shot strong man vs a undated doctor and a (realistically) 3 shot BP

I am not convinced at this precise moment in time

But you do think it would wise for scum!Una to whip up a claim like that?
Or are you arguing that I'm scum, and town has a Vig under a rock somewhere still?

profii, you're better than that.

[UnaBombaH]

And before you take the easy retort - why would I ever commit to a Bulletproof-fakeclaim as scum?

[UnaBombaH]

Sure. I always knew my claim wouldn't do me any services in lategame anyway because it just sounds so ridiculous.
Which is why I wanted to at least try and make scum waste a nightkill.
But claiming aside, you really feel confident in your read that I'm scum, and Boon is town?

What happens to that when I flip town?
Because currenty Boon is CLEARLY trying to setup flippy as the last mislynch.
I have faith in town!profii being strong and able enough to get Boon lynched tomorrow, but I also believe scum!profii is able to play the "unsure of everything" and "guess I'll trust Boon once more" cards..

I do not have the same faith on BEF yet, and Robb is still tunneled on Ame, so I think the 1/2 in you/BEF who's town really need to step up tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

Una I don't get where Boon-Ame is coming from seeing as you've consistently had my slot as town.

I haven't been able to finish my catchup yet.
I had your slot as a potential mislynch at times, but I also erred on the side of scumreading it on and off.

If you really read my walls, you would know that my last thoughts before I had to leave for my IRL-duties were that 2/4 of Boon/ame/BEF/flippy.
I had some time with my thoughts when I was away, and my gutfeeling turned out to be, that flippy is actually town.
Their unwillingness to lynch me here fits it as well - I'm not a notoriously hard mislynch for scum to push through after all, and I think scum!flippy would've voted me in a heartbeat.

So I came home with the thought of 2/3 in Boon/ame/BEF.
I noticed multiple posts had been made since I left earlier, so I wanted to check what was going on before going to sleep.
Remember that my catchup was left in a part where Boon doesn't look very good, and him starting this blitz of a push on me BEFORE I COULD EVER EVEN FINISH D2, just screams scum to me.
I hadn't locked anything up yet, but they act as if I had, and if anyone should understand flip-flopping while trying to solve the game, it should be him.

Also notice this - I didn't peg you as town - I said that my thought-process based on the wagons was:
1. One scum in gera/Boon
2. One scum in BEF/flippy
3. ^^these were based solely on wagons, and me thinking that the scum team might've wanted to split up
4. part 3+profii having some towny posts here and there made me think that IF the remaining two scum weren't going to be grouped up, profii was almost surely town.

I felt like I was closing in on something when I had to take a break from my catchup, because it was easier to see what actually caused the wagons to act the way that they did.
And the main thought I kept returning to, was that ONE of gera/Boon had to be scum.
I later realized that nothing stops the both you from being scum, it would just mean that the scumteam piled on the bus.
And again, that would throw profiis name back into the basket as well, but I still think they aren't likely to be scum with Boon.
And since Boon is scum here...you see where I'm still stuck.

I'd love to be able to complete what I started, but I really need to sleep now. It's 3:25AM already. -_-

For whoever else really is town: just lynch Boon tomorrow, and win the game in the last LyLo, right?
Flippy and Robb are the only ones I can trust myself here now, and the rest of you need to come together tomorrow for the lynch to happen.

Good night.

[UnaBombaH]

I’m not switching to fl

That was the hammer on me Robb, and I want you to understand that Boon is scum here.
Ame MIGHT not be.
Flippynips probably isn't either.
So go for the Boon lynch tomorrow, and see where that leads you.

[UnaBombaH]

BEF either Mis understood my catch-up, or is refusing to face it. I wasn't asking questions, because it wasn't the time for it yet.
I wasn't pushing for him - I was pushing for anyone or anything that seemed scummy.

[UnaBombaH]

Had I been able to finish that properly, I could've given my final reads list, and then asked questions to clarify things.
BEF seems itchy about me pointing out the things about them I found scummy, and I'm not sure whether they are scum, or just unsure of themselves.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon = locked scum

I'd say the final three to analyze are the ones currently voting me with him.
And it so happens that it's profii/ame/BEF.

So still not going to be easy finding the last one.
Especially since Robb refuses to compromise.

[UnaBombaH]

My respect goes to the scumsters.
Well built lategame.
I'm only salty about not being allowed to finish my catch-up.
Then again, I wouldn't have needed a catch-up if I had REALLY kept up.

At least I now know I'm still able to solve players if I just put in the effort.
And sniff out the PRs and their crumbs..

[UnaBombaH]

Scum PT open soon?

[UnaBombaH]

@Una - we just can’t help from being paranoid of each other after the things we’ve been through

I think the biggest problem here, is that we both consider you to be the better player here.
I guess you feel extra pressure about not wanting to be "had" by me ever again?
And I'm often in a spot where if you are still alive lategame, and there is a scenario where you COULD be scum, you have to be scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Wish I just had more time to go through BEF and Robb.

I'm still a bit salty about this though.
You didn't give ME the time to try and solve this for myself.
Instead you jumped on my while I was taking a break for IRL-reasons, and about to go to sleep.
The only reason why I cemented my scumread on you, was because of that.
There were still many pages and posts for me to read, and when I did in fact finish reading it, I could easily see the scenarios where you're not scum..