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[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Rick Dalton

[Luna Fox]

Rabid is a townread
VOTE: Chemist

[Luna Fox]

@Mod: Is it possible to use countdown timer?

[Luna Fox]

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[countdown]2020-03-13 17:00:00 -5.00[/countdown]

(expired on 2020-03-13 17:00:00)

[Luna Fox]

Goddangit i used the wrong time zone.
Oh well doesnt matter.

[Luna Fox]

none of his posts make any sense, he's trying too hard, suggested the idea of mass claiming, trying to earn town cred by claiming he ended rvs, and falsely accused me of something. I know it's page 3 but if he has done all that this early, it can only get worse.

Possible.
I disliked Chemist's OMGUS vote tho.
But this is enough for me to remove my townread on Rabid.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you trying to quick lynch someone who has claimed a provable town role?

I claim D4 innocent child
Am i doing it right?

[Luna Fox]

I like the vote a lot more now.

Why are you trying to quick lynch someone who has claimed a provable town role?

[Luna Fox]

Was i?

[Luna Fox]

Ikr!

[Luna Fox]

Jake's a townread.
I dislike how NM picks literally one thing in Jake's post to complain about and ignores the rest.

[Luna Fox]

Persivul sounds familiar.

[Luna Fox]

Ah yes, i've seen scum persivul only tho.

[Luna Fox]

Even the greatest Unvote in mafia history on this account.

You know, ever since i saw that i've always wanted to play with you.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Kage
I heavily dislike 115

[Luna Fox]

My theory is maybe rabid/kage team?

While that is possible, i doubt Kage comes and tries to fan the flames in your 1v1 while one is their partner.
Which is one of the reasons i currently dont like that post, but also, I dont like how he comes and says chkflip and NM look "odd" for both voting Nero in RVS when, starting a wagon in RVS is ways to gain information.

[Luna Fox]

Pretty sure Rabid mentioned that his provable thing was Novice, which means he cant use it until N2

[Luna Fox]

TSE how did you manage to get the numbers in my name wrong in two different ways in the same post

LMAO

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: kagesong

This post proves kage town.

How so?

[Luna Fox]

Lynchbait can roll scum too u know.
But what makes you think he's lynchbait?

[Luna Fox]

luna if you think kage is scum do you have any feelings on the motivation of those players either pushign as scum or town.

Half of the voters are using meta to vote him. It's hard to judge motives when meta is involved.
If i were to say anything Kage doesnt strike me as someone aggresive in his posts, as mentioned by Jake in 188 but I havent read the comparison game, he looks more like as someone taking potshots from the sidelines. I also agree that Kage was stretching the truth.

The one vote that gives me uneasy feelings is non's.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe i should've asked how soon is "soon"

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE:
Eh, chkflip might be right.

[Luna Fox]

I'm gonna whithold my vote for now until more people (and specifically that one guy who said he's reading soon and hasnt posted since), so i can get a better read on other players because even if kage is scum which im currently thinking he's lynchbait as chkflip said, it's unproductive to end the day before others have any chance to post and voice opinions.

[Luna Fox]

Pretty sure Nero's alignment will become obvious over the course of the game.
Thanks for replacing in Bingle!
I like your thoughts so far.

[Luna Fox]

I would like Luna to clarify the reasons why she claimed in post 28 to have a TR on Rabid, and post 92 where she had a TR on Jake.

Iirc, for the first at the time, i just decided to buy into the "i have a provable town role" and figured it was a good basis for a page 1 read considering nothing else was going on and sheeped him off that.
For Jake a combination of 63, 69, 75, his overall tone, and i liked him more out of of him vs rabid. Which was settled into a townread on 88 and 90. Gives me he has that kinda "idgaf what you say about me, you're scum to me and i will fight you even if i have to die for it" attitude.

[Luna Fox]

In your opinion, considering a hypothetical scenario, would there be any chance of both being scum designing a theater ?

No chance, that looked way too natural.

[Luna Fox]

fwiw
This is rick's town meta so far.

[Luna Fox]

fwiw
This is rick's town meta so far.

Stop the pocket.

But i thought you liked it

[Luna Fox]

man i wish i was in luna pocket

How about this then
VOTE: chkflip

[Luna Fox]

2 pockets for the price of 1 vote.
I'd call that worth.

[Luna Fox]

I wish i was able to read NM.

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE: Rick Dalton
VOTE: Non lmh

Why are we letting this ISO float as well?

Maybe.
But I'm curious as to why clidd focuses on NM and ignores Non.

[Luna Fox]

I'm pretty already lynching the guy who is trying to start fires with "Why not this?" while under pressure.

Jake from State Farm (1) - Bingle

Are you sure you didnt dream placing a vote? Or is this your interpretation of what Jake is doing.
(I dont see a vote in your ISO unless i missed it)

[Luna Fox]

I mean, who DOESNT know who you are.

[Luna Fox]

That's who i thought you were talking about and thought you dreamed placing a vote on him.

[Luna Fox]

Hi back
I'm Luna.

Always wanted to say that, but this is a post to inform that i wont have internet until tomorrow morning irl, tho the pace of this game is slow enough that it shouldnt cause any trouble.

[Luna Fox]

Well it's nice to be back to the internet.
I'm gonna miss your Jake alt Robb.

On other news, Idk why people find it so hard to read Nero, i always thought he was super easy to read.

[Luna Fox]

Non Lmh (1) chkflip
team rocket queen (1) Bingle

@Mod: This doesnt seem right. TRQ is a replacement of non.

[Luna Fox]

Well it's nice to be back to the internet.
I'm gonna miss your Jake alt Robb.

On other news, Idk why people find it so hard to read Nero, i always thought he was super easy to read.

Hello, I would like to see your read on Rabid and Trq, given the latest interactions.

Hello.
I haven't changed my stance on Rabid.
TRQ im not townreading.

[Luna Fox]

Why does every post from clidd feels like they are writing a letter to a CEO.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i also think Bingle's town, i think i forgot to mention that somewhere.

[Luna Fox]

(expired on 2020-03-13 17:00:00)

[Luna Fox]

Hum, null then ? what do you think about her posts ?

My mind keeps wandering and i have a hard time reading them, or rather parsing them.
As for null, i guess you could say that in a manner of speaking.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Garmr

lets see see if i can make it 6 games that I correctly read you in row

4 town and one scum. I feel the ball will land on red this time

He already did.

[Luna Fox]

The way rick unvoted is really bad if chk flips red.

I agree on this.

[Luna Fox]

I was gonna unvote when i read this:

I win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

But then i saw TRQ hammered.

[Luna Fox]

p.s. TSE. Put a sample VT role card at the end of your OP.

Yeah i noticed that.

[Luna Fox]

Tbf i wouldnt discount the possibility that scum has a sample VT pm on their PT, but i dunno why would scum bring up the lack of sample role pm there after clearly stating town's win condition.

[Luna Fox]

I think scum probably is TRQ/Clidd/Someone else?
100% sure a town would've seen the townslip from chkflip and confirm whether it was a correct townslip or not.
So with that said im lynching TRQ tomorrow.

[Luna Fox]

Also if this was a towny thought:

it's very odd to me that rabid's other lynch targets did not gain any steam but here we are;

That would've made TRQ pause before actually lynching chkflip.

[Luna Fox]

One of these trash reasonings at least come from scum.

This is just some basic ass reasonings that actually imply the opposite.

If Chkflip is scum, this is even more likely, tbh

>Trash reasonings
I lol'd
Thanks Boon I really needed that one.

Regardless I highly doubt he's flipping scum after that hammer and the last few posts from him.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: trq

[Luna Fox]

Was hoping scum wouldnt shoot fb or he was scum coz i like playing with FB, oh well.

[Luna Fox]

He wasnt quoting his role PM, he was typing words that are a town wincondition whether they really are or not (They are!), abusing the fact that the mod didnt put a sample role PM and scum wouldn't be able to know how the town wincon was worded.
Admiteddly, yes, that's a really dirty way to get town read, but if you were town, you wouldn't have lynched someone that has shared information that only town supposedly know.
At worst he could be scum with a sample town role PM in his PT, but that would be another option to explore. I understand that you may be concerned about the rules, but if you thought a modkill was coming for him due to the wincon posting why not stop yourself from voting? A hammer or a modkill on town end in the same result anyway and the later needs to go through listmods anyway, and if it wasnt against the rules then the mod wouldn't have intervened and we'd have a conf town due to a mod error. Doesnt sound like a towny mindset for me still.

[Luna Fox]

There's the vote count.

Chkflip (7) Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1) Rabid Schnauzer
Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1) chkflip
Not Voting (3) Clidd, Chemist1422, Rick Dalton

That’s Hammer!

Mod Note: Clidd Requests Replacement.

NM just happened to vote after the hammer.

[Luna Fox]

Although with TSE's way of counting votes is annoying
There was an L-1 announcement or something before TRQ voted.

[Luna Fox]

Assuming you're saying the truth, TRQ still voted with the intention of hammering.
It mostly means I could've saved him if I didnt think it was the hammer.

Maybe i should take into consideration vote changing or unvotes after hammers in case I miscount from now on.

But it does make NM look bad yes, but it's not like i'm gonna gain anything from asking him "why did you vote?"
It could've been as simple as hammering someone for playing dirty.

[Luna Fox]

Man TSE's vote counts are a mess.
But you have 7 votes in that post, without nero's

[Luna Fox]

Yup he did:

anyways

this vote was scummy as fuck

VOTE: Nero Cain

emoji tell

and I keep seeing that clidd guy post not here so lets vote there guys.

vote:Chk

[Luna Fox]

As I said TSE's vote counts are a mess ugh.

[Luna Fox]

Doesn’t matter who the hammer was really but trq seeing the post and voting is bad. I say that’s a scum claim

Agreed.

[Luna Fox]

was hengflop chkflip

Yeah.

[Luna Fox]

I mean chkflip is the closest name to that out of anyone else in the playerlist.

[Luna Fox]

i guess i don't understand what "quoting his role PM" means since that's a direct quote from my role pm minus the pronoun. i thought the modkill was only coming if he was town, which as i said before i didn't fully consider and thought he was scum for it.

If this is true then ask the current mod what quoting role PM looks like, regardless if he was breaking the rules action would've been taken, and regardless of whether he was breaking the rules or not his post pretty much made him conf town due to mod error, that doesnt excuse the hammer still.

[Luna Fox]

Like we arent debating whether you thought the post was breaking the rules, we're talking about you hammering someone who posted town's win con when there's no way for scum to have known it at that point.

[Luna Fox]

675 hadn't happened when you unvoted tho.

[Luna Fox]

675 hadn't happened when you unvoted tho.

TRQ had a giant post literally 5 minutes after, and has a March 2020 join date. It didn’t happen when they hammered either because they started that post before it happened based on the length of it.

TRQ admitted to seeing their post and turning their intent into a hammer because of it.

[Luna Fox]

if Fake from State Farm gets to L-1 I would also hammer him

What if Not_Mafia gets to L-1?

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE:

[Luna Fox]

As much as I think i should probably hold TRQ accountable for what they did, Rick has a point.

[Luna Fox]

Let's lynch Luna today

VOTE: Luna Fox

Oh i like it when people wanna duel me
VOTE: NM

[Luna Fox]

Gladiate Luna Fox

Come at me. I accept your duel.

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah, NC is town.
If my meta of him is correct.

[Luna Fox]

they are cool sounding.

[Luna Fox]

When did MS get to the point that people want massclaim early.

[Luna Fox]

Actually tomorrow isnt too bad if we mislynch today.

[Luna Fox]

If we lynch scum we get extra time so i think delaying the massclaim if we do is fine.

[Luna Fox]

Mech solves are boring anyway.

[Luna Fox]

I think we should lynch Not_Mafia

[Luna Fox]

Could someone who thinks LF might be scum tell me a why there when they get a chance?

Is there anyone who actually thinks that?

[Luna Fox]

I dont understand why lynching Bingle is a necessity?

[Luna Fox]

I have no idea why you guys think this bob person is scum.

[Luna Fox]

I have no idea why you guys don’t think this trq person is scum.

Because admitting they saw the post and hammered as scum is stupid?

[Luna Fox]

They didn’t recognize the win condition and voted. That’s my take on it.

Prove me wrong.

It's certainly possible, but why does scum trq come here and admit to seeing it and hammering because of it instead of thinking of an excuse like "i didnt see it" or "i had typed a long post and didnt feel like p-editing so i hit submit again"

[Luna Fox]

You think that's the first thing a newbie would think of doing?

[Luna Fox]

I have no idea why you guys think this bob person is scum.

Bob has a habit of sounding town as scum.

And does he not sound town as town?

[Luna Fox]

Like help me see what you're seeing coz im not seeing it.

[Luna Fox]

Well we dont have time for a long day phase.

Votecount 2.04

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-22 08:15:00)

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Bob
Thanks for that post Bingle.

[Luna Fox]

If there's scum in the hood it's certainly Bingle, that's an IF, tho, also pending whether Rabid does the thing about confirming and my NC meta is correct.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: TRQ

[Luna Fox]

This is what i get for following scum lol.

[Luna Fox]

I do agree that you should shoot NC.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Binge
Gonna leave this here just in case.

[Luna Fox]

I thought NC's meta difference was activity, but i guess gobble is better at NC meta, and even then he seems to have fallen off the earth since midway through D2.

[Luna Fox]

Oh and I'm VT too, btw.

[Luna Fox]

Curious but wouldnt RD flipping scum raise the scum equity of TRQ?
Think TRQ/RD/NC make sense?

[Luna Fox]

I mean
Either Bingle is town, ergo telling the truth.
Or Bingle is scum, ergo it's also good to lynch him.
Granted i would rather lynch scum than go around this way but Bingle wanted it this way?

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Nero Cain
I actually want to go this way.

[Luna Fox]

That reminds me would vengeful shot even be blocked by a BP?, I think some mods dont count day kills as blocked by BP, but idk how Normal guidelines for the vengeful vs BP interaction work and i cant find them on the wiki.

[Luna Fox]

@Mod: In the event a Town Vengeful is lynched, and they submit a kill on a Bulletproof Mafia, what happens?

[Luna Fox]

@Mod: Did you miss my question?

[Luna Fox]

Ok so i think lynching Bingle is suboptimal right now, plus if NC flips scum Bingle's town equity skyrockets.

[Luna Fox]

The claim is fake. In some bizarre world where it isn’t, he can kill Nero. It’s win/win

Problem is the speculation of Nero being BP.

[Luna Fox]

Ok fine
VOTE: Bingle

[Luna Fox]

Do we have evidence supporting that? Like what is the speculation based off of?

The fact that he's in the same hood as the claimed vengeful and the vig.

[Luna Fox]

Uh ok

That's literally it.

[Luna Fox]

The fact that the other two hood members are strong power roles is more reason for Nero to be scum independent of his actual play. I challenge anyone to find the scumhunting in Nero’s iso. You will not find it.

I am worried Nero may be waiting to hammer Bingle to end the day without further discussion. Could one of the people voting Bingle remove their vote?

I am going back and forth between saying the scum has been on the two lynches or if the scum was off wagon with Rick. Not many people off wagon left alive.

I mean only 2 of us are voting him but sure.
UNVOTE:

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah, NC is town.
If my meta of him is correct.

Luna, can you explain this post?

Sure, at that point i felt he was being active, i wasnt paying attention to what he was actually doing and more at the number of posts he was producing coz i figured i could easily meta him by activity.

[Luna Fox]

Btw gobble the first wagon vote count is wrong, mod made a mistake.

[Luna Fox]

From here:

Flicker!

Chkflip (5) Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Rick Dalton, Robbnva, Garmr
clidd (2) Rabid Schnauzer, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1) - Not_Mafia
Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1) chkflip
team rocket queen (1) Bingle
Not Voting (3) Clidd, Chemist1422

UNVOTE: Chkflip

I don’t actually want him, and I’m not caught up, so

I explained the hood developments. RS agrees that I will be lynched eventually and thus am not worth sorting.

Why are people sr-ing Rick? I don’t have a read there yet but I am reliable at reading him and the pressure makes me curious.

VOTE: chkflip

L-2

Would be interested in a wagon on trq, bob or garner at this point as well.

i'm sort of interested in flipping chk, I think if that flips scum we may have caught boon also.

I was just reviewing and had the exact same thought. The way rick unvoted is really bad if chk flips red.
VOTE: chkflp

L-1

it's very odd to me that rabid's other lynch targets did not gain any steam but here we are;

VOTE: chkflip

I snipped a lot of TRQ's post since it was pretty long.
the NM vote happened post hammer and apparently the mod didnt see the RS vote, but included NM's vote.

[Luna Fox]

I mean that and the fact that RD tried to cover for her.

[Luna Fox]

i'd be willing to buy TRQ/Nero as I said before that's what makes the most sense to me.

[Luna Fox]

When for two days in a row town isn’t going to lynch confirmed scum. That’s pretty much ignoring me (I’d argue ignoring proper play)
It’s ok. Nobody has to listen to me. I understand.

I did say that TRQ was scum, yesterday RD defended TRQ and faked an inno on them and now it feels more like TRQ was scum caught for the wrong reasons (? i'd argue that the wincon thing should be very damning), and then i pretty much got distracted and lost sight of everything in this game so I asked why they were lynching bob and Bingle's reason was okay.
After RD flipped scum im back to thinking TRQ should die, also after gobble talked about NC's meta i also agree that NC should die, with that gamestate in mind it's impossible for Bingle to be scum and ergo lying about his vengeful, but even if he is, him dying and shooting TRQ should get both of your SRs dead if Bingle's town.
However if both are town then we're in trouble.

[Luna Fox]

I do think NC has a higher chance of flipping scum than TRQ, but i think both are scum regardless.

[Luna Fox]

I assume you're fine with this going through now?
VOTE: Bingle

[Luna Fox]

I lied. Luna is town. Just horrible horrible town.

Hey dude i'm trying this game's hard.

[Luna Fox]

I lied. Luna is town. Just horrible horrible town.

Hey dude i'm trying this game's hard.

Why’d you vote trq with me after previously saying my reasons were stupid?

If you mean today, because RD flipped scum.
Yesterday i dont recall saying your reasons were stupid? I only recall saying RD had a point, and i think I said that it was stupid for scum to admit to reading it and still hammering anyway or something similar. I dont remember right now.

[Luna Fox]

Pretty likely that one of us is.

or none of us have to be scum? Like I guess I understand the idea of "oh a hood, there has to be scum in it but its a very very low tier thought process and something that you could easily abuse as scum to attempt to chain lynch me and kage.

This looks like TMI btw.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, I want to town read you, but your play around Nero looks really bad to me.

It's ok, dont townread me then.

[Luna Fox]

As I said earlier, I'm trying, this game is hard.

[Luna Fox]

What do you think of Robbvna’s refuses to look beyond {Bingle/NC, TRQ}?

I havent paid it much mind coz if one person in the hood is scum which is most likely Nero then the last scum is probably TRQ regardless for associations with Boon.

[Luna Fox]

Should I unvote due to the replacement or is it not gonna matter.

[Luna Fox]

replace out is coz he got banned.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah that's why i was asking if I should unvote to wait for the replacement or if it's not even gonna matter.

[Luna Fox]

I think we should just kill NC, but oh well. I am in the minority on that.

I would prefer to kill NC but then Bingle dies in the night without killing anyone.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: NC

[Luna Fox]

You have a point, I forgot to take into account hider possibly dying from the hide target dying.

[Luna Fox]

I think Garmr should hide behind TRQ, if TRQ's scum then TRQ cant kill Garmr, if TRQ is town then scum has to kill a mislynch to get rid of him.
You got any better ideas?

[Luna Fox]

Hello all! Someone give me a summary pls. I need to reread since I signed up to sub in when super drunk, but I'm excited to play.

You got a phoenix wright avatar, I automatically like you.

- Nero Cain is caught scum lying
- Garmr is claimed Hider
- Bingle is claimed Vengeful
- I'm claimed VT
- TRQ is probably scum due to interactions with Rick Dalton.
- There's a Neighborhood of Nero Cain, Bingle,

Rabid Schnauzer

(RIP).
- Gobble came in saying that this was Nero Cain's scum meta and asking for his head.
- Bingle wants to be lynched to use his Vengeful.

Not much else important i think?

[Luna Fox]

Oh and there's speculation that Nero Cain may be Bulletproof due to being in the same neighborhood as a flipped vig and a claimed vengeful.

[Luna Fox]

Actually if Bingle shoots TRQ shouldnt Garmr just hide behind Nero anyway?

[Luna Fox]

I mean obviously the most optimal choice is for Bingle lynch > Nero Venge, but with the BP WIFOM, It's just idk.

[Luna Fox]

Well I still think it's TRQ so
VOTE: trq

[Luna Fox]

I mean, you're a hider not a weak hider no?
If you're hiding behind scum you're not much different than a commuter and considering you're like 99.9% town due to Nero's slip that's amazing.

[Luna Fox]

You dying saves us a mislynch.

This pretty much.
If NM is scum he cant shoot you, if NM is town then scum need to eliminate a mislynch to kill you, which makes our LyLo easier.
Although I think TRQ just ends it.

[Luna Fox]

If everything goes to plan TRQ lynch just ends the game.
I cant shake off my head the fact that RD jumped in to defend TRQ Day 2, considering he did the same in another mini normal that just ended where he was scum as well and also jumped in to defend a partner with a "soft inno"

[Luna Fox]

I get in a standard scenario you'd be right but I'm one confirmed town + 2 can make it to final 3

That's the point.
You wont die if your target is scum or if scum doesnt want to eliminate a mislynch.

[Luna Fox]

Actually that's probably the wrong quote, but you get the point anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah man, NC flipping traitor screws everything up.
But if gobble is scum he'd probably knew beforehand that a traitor existed and probably figured out NC was it.
So I think it's more likely he's town than not.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait right, Jake's slot, I knew I was forgetting someone.
Well TRQ most likely ends it anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Interestingly enough, do you think NC makes that reaction to a scum partner (NM in this case)?, I assume NC would know his partners at least, no?

[Luna Fox]

Also mechanic question: What happens when both mafia and town do not wish to kill/lynch. Is there a mechanic that forces one faction to kill? When I was on epicmafia we had meteor rules that would put the pressure on the day/night cycle that didn't have a death most recently after a certain number of day/night cycles of no deaths.

Happy ever after, it happens when no kill or lynch happens after a set ammount of day cycles dependant on the mod, in which case all sides tie (or lose).

[Luna Fox]

Also mechanic question: What happens when both mafia and town do not wish to kill/lynch. Is there a mechanic that forces one faction to kill? When I was on epicmafia we had meteor rules that would put the pressure on the day/night cycle that didn't have a death most recently after a certain number of day/night cycles of no deaths.

Happy ever after, it happens when no kill or lynch happens after a set ammount of day cycles dependant on the mod, in which case all sides tie (or lose).

yes, but which side is pressured to make an action.

I guess both? depends on who doesnt kill first i guess.

[Luna Fox]

For example let's assume it's 3 day cycles.
No Lynch > No Kill > No Lynch > No Kill > No Lynch > MUST KILL OR TIE.
No Kill > No Lynch > No Kill > No Lynch > No Kill > MUST LYNCH OR TIE.