Mini Normal 2121 | Game Over

[Ame]

He was indeed town. Catch up later today!

[Ame]

Hi flippy!

[Ame]

And calling me toxic when this is all germ’s fault is a cheap shot.

Hi Wimpy!

[Ame]

Sorry I’m death tunneling you again.

No worries, I'll solve the game before ya can do too much damage.

Also Happy Birthday flips!

[Ame]

Have there been any claims among the alive players?

[Ame]

una your emojis are throwing me off man

[Ame]

profii and rob are town from meta. Also profii probably doesn't do the fake unvote as Alo's bud.
BEF is town from tone. There were some obvtown pings. I'll quote if people are having a hard time here.

That leaves flippy, FL, and Una.

Una, this is extremely reminiscent of the last time we were TvT.

FlippyNips wall seems solid, idk if it's the right conclusion, but I like the progression.

I don't have anything on BEF. Also there are strong anti BEF/FlippyNips associations.

I think it's Alora/Profii right now

It could be BEF.

If Alora is town, it's probably Profii/Gera.

Something's off about Profii but I can't really case them, and that's something I don't like.

FL slipped here and in some of his other posts. He's been looking at the game from a 2 scum mindset since he is the 3rd scum.

Flippy's 1496 probably doesn't come from budFlippy. 1562 also comes from town.

FL and Una are the scumteam. Una had been positioning FL town upon Alo scum throughout D3. An example is 1479

Which one do you guys want to go first? I think we should probably take out Flavor Leaf since he's a bigger threat.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

If in lylo with profii then reevaluate and lynch him, but I think this is probably right.

Honestly, I think Ame, Robb, Una are town.

Good, I was hoping I wouldn't have to duel you.

[Ame]

Sorry I’m death tunneling you again.

No worries, I'll solve the game before ya can do too much damage.

Also Happy Birthday flips!

[Ame]

4 votes to lynch. We treat rob as a tree stump.

@proffi @BEF @flippy let's form a town core

[Ame]

profii we played together in mini normal 2115.

[Ame]

Nah just D3 fully and some isos. The rest I've skimmed. I've found that wasting my time reading everything just clutters my reads and my accuracy rate is higher when I just focus on identifying scum.

If you sheep me, we'll win this pretty quickly. If you guys want to go Una first, I'm ok with that.

[Ame]

I honestly don't understand why people want to lynch/don't believe the doc claim. How is that the best play with what info we have now?

Espresso gets the doc lynched today. Then gets turbo lynched tomorrow. Scum is still in the winning seat lol. Don't fall for this.

Town posts here. Would be silly for BEF to put himself out there like this considering Alo was going down one way or the other, whether it be yesterday or today.

[Ame]

Profii can you lay out to me your progression on Alo? In particular why were you so certain he was scum before D3?

[Ame]

To be more clear on FL's slip it was more that he knew Alo was scum and forgot that he needed a third of Alo

wasn't

scum.

[Ame]

Nah, not voting him and fighting for him are different things.

Your tone and responses to me seem townie though. I think it could be Flav/Flipp as you're alluding to above.

[Ame]

Woah, I’m getting pushed after that Aloratom push. That’s something.

profii was pushing him as much as you wasn't he? What makes you two different?

BEF/Ame tag team hup cha

[Ame]

ohhh yeah!

Jake are you going in on this?

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

I need to read through the latest content

[Ame]

Stopping at 1890 for now. FL why not do all your analysis privately and just post your final conclusions >_<

Some of your stream seems townie but some seems forced. It's baffling to me that you and Una read BEF as scum and think that rob is a possibility.

I feel like you made that stream of flipping back and forth just so you could end up with the conclusion of Ame scum. Like you weren't expecting me to scum read you here (and probably expected me to sheep you given I've done it before), but after this you needed to reverse your read on me and make it look natural:

Honestly, I think Ame, Robb, Una are town.

Good, I was hoping I wouldn't have to duel you.

So you went through all the effort of considering all these teams so you could end up with Ame scum.

Something else I'm thinking is that two of profii-FL-Una are scum and they've been playing the other: FL-profii most likely.

[Ame]

Going up in gsp is like a drug

Who do you main?

[Ame]

I think Una/flips is a possibility

FL I presume you discounted this because of flippy's una vote D3?

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

why the unvote?

I didnt even realise EFN was still here

How? You just included him in your read list two posts ago

[Ame]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's withing FL, flippy, Una, Profii

I'll look into the possible pairings some more. I do feel like there's a good possibility two of the trio are scum and have left the other alive for pocket. But flippy + another is also possible. Profii is different than I've seen him before (as scum), but it's possible that's because he's playing with people that know him well (thus can't play lazily as he did in the other game).

I still hard town read Gerame BEF and Rob

[Ame]

ger

ame

yes

[Ame]

@Rob here's a scum game of Ger: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81784

[Ame]

anyone have a scum game of germ?

[Ame]

>________>

[Ame]

I know it's NAI for profii to have this perspective

Do you mean orange NAI for him specifically or for anyone? If the former can you elaborate.

[Ame]

I have no idea how orange got in there.

[Ame]

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

I know I didn't hammer. But I still like the wagon. Your weird "delayed" reaction to this is suspect.

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

Also, are you upset because it's only 14 pages in or do you TR germaint?

And my gut says atleast one scum was on the wagon

VOTE: Bob

You seem sure about germain being town. I don't really see how you could be so certain based on play alone. I think you know his alignment.

Bob reaponse to i my fake hammer just feels off. Like he is saying what any good town would say, it just lacks a genuine tone.

I like these.

BEF what was up with your "it's a ploy..." line that una quoted?

[Ame]

VOTE: Flippy

FL and flippy are the only two I'm not town reading. Still need to figure out if profii could alter his scum play so drastically. Actually no thinking about it no.

[Ame]

profii and Una stop being pocketed by FL

[Ame]

Nah I play the good townie as scum.
No need for "a play" as Robb was the only one pushing this slot. And it's pretty obvtown. I only replaced into it because it was obvtown.
I dont mind dying if it leads to them waking up and lynching you tomorrow. Plus 1 of me/Robb probably needs to go for the health of the game state anyway.

[Ame]

BEF what was up with your "it's a ploy..." line that una quoted?

I had to look back and read a couple of pages before that post. Basically, Ger's vote on FL seemed staged to me. That alone is NAI but at that time, iirc, I was paranoid about FL and Jake being on a team and then Ger was also in that paranoia with his vote.

But like you were serious? Or were you just fishing?

[Ame]

Ame seems drastically different from the game I modded with them in it, and they were town there. They also seem like they’re trying to play a political game here.

I was thinking that it's odd that you remembered my interactions with flippy but are looking over the fact that my play was similar there so you know my style is NAI at the very least if not town.

Spoiler:

I think Karnage and Aaron are both town. Aaron is obvtown and I'll take that to the grave. I still think it's between Clidd and Hectic. I think Hectic is the most rational choice for today.

VOTE: Hectic

Yea Hectic > Clidd should bring victory

let's do it

I'm never lynching Aaron here. Ever.

Vote Hectic with me.

Completely disappeared. He had an explanation for the somni pocket attempt and his misunderstanding of neighbors seems genuine

Hectic is scum, let's end this.

@Clidd your PoE is incorrect. Sheep me.
@Hectic you tried to swing the lynch away from Somni at the last moment

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage Somni would have been saved

Are you willing to lose the game if Hectic flip green and you lynch me tomorrow ?

No I wouldn't quick lynch you. I'd fully reevaluate.

Lul, I townread him and was wrong so what can you do. You think I'd have been obvious about it as that?

you couldn't have anticipated my sudden switch to Somni. I think you reacted before you had time to think it over

@clidd @dsj sheep me for win let's goooooo

@Clidd this line of posts heavily indicates town Aaron:

No survivors

lol

I guess we can try insomnia

VOTE: Insomnia

L2

@PRETENTIOUS, Luca is voting Insomnia

post 878

Alright I'm back. I mostly skimmed a lot of the pages that were just back and forth arguing

UNVOTE:

I think I believe Luca's mason claim. The TMIing as town makes more sense now.

That leaves a pool of {Karnage, Hectic, dsj} that we're almost guaranteed to hit at least one scum in.

VOTE: Karnage

Why not Clidd?

Oh I forgot about clidd, he can be in there too.

How do you read his locktowning Luca with the mason claim in mind?

If you’re town you ruin our chances to win. People who scum read people on v/la are lazy and unwilling to scum hunt. Your reads should never be trusted

@everyone please let’s lynch AME before this game gets out of control.

If he thought it was a town reaction he’d have immediately adjusted his read on me. So he’s a liar or a hypocrite.

Omgus is a nai reaction.

I think we should rush it cause this game will become pretty hard to read if one of us isn’t resolved quickly.

All of these are way over the top. I thought he was genuinely pissed but that's some prolonged anger over time.

I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.

Then go ahead and lynch me today because it will continue. I will not vote anyone else this game until she is gone.

Even after a lot of us tried to get him to stop tunnelling, he wasn't having it any of it, and shot down every argument before this. Either ridiculously stubborn town or scum who won't back down because hard tunnelling is his strat lol.

you know what. That's not fair to anyone. sorry.

The post before the replace out. Unsure how to view it. Wimpo's repped out of literally every game I've played with him, and I think the remorse here he could be faked if he's scum and wants to leave his slot in a better position. NAI I think.

VOTE: Karnage
Prefer this to Somni.

Karnage is also lurking, and that's bad sign close to deadline.

I still think insomnia is town honestly. I don't think scum gets that deathtunneled on a slot he knows to be town. I have my reservations about whether the mason claim could be faked, but that feels like a big risk to take even in a closed setup.

Karnage feels like a policy lynch, we'd get next to no info even if it flipped scum but if we need to compromise somewhere then I'll compromise there.

I'll need to review Hectic too because he's a big question mark for me. I feel like I can read him decently well most of the time but I don't have a solid read on him here.

If both masons live to see lylo then I'll be really concerned about the claim but for now there's no reason not to believe it

My switch onto Somni ensured his doom, but Aaron was posting as normal completely ignorant of what Somni was going to flip. This is in contrast to Hectic who had been paying close attention to the wagon, positioning himself for a Karnage vote all day, and made a case to try and get me to switch back to Karanage. Aaron was just posting his thoughts nonchalantly with no motivation to try and convince anyone.

You know what, let's give this a spin. VOTE: Ame

You've felt opportunistic today, Ame. I think you were hoping some of us would latch onto your Doro scumread with how you were pushing it earlier, but now choose to evaporate it into thin air when no one does.

lol it's called scumhinting

If I wanted dsj lynched I would have kept on him also lol it would be completely unnecessary me putting myself out there like this when I've been town read all day. literally all id have to do is wait things out.

Karnages case is bad as Luca was voting Karanage at the time that I called Somni out and only switched back to Somni because of it

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

@ame, why use "saved" here?

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

Keep trying to appeal to dsj Hectic

I wanted him to answer my questions cause there were so many discrepancies. he finally did and I'm happy with them

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

Why did you switch from me to insomnia?

I felt at the time that if you were scum, the only person who could be your partner is dsj. Then dsj said something that made me town read him which meant I was probably wrong about you as well. Additionally, Luca made a post asking me to trust him a bit before, and it pulled on my heart and made me reevaluate somni. Finally, once Luca posted that game where Somni showed a similar reaction I compared his play to here and felt more confident in it.

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

@ame, why use "saved" here?

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

This isn't true though. There were 5 people willing to Somni at the time (not including you). I don't do a last ditch attempt to save my scum buddy, why not try and help them much earlier in the day? I scumread Wimpo's play based on meta (and still do) so made my case.

Why are you only pushing me for this now, rather than bring it up previously today?

again, you didn't anticipate my last minute switch. when scum are placed in sudden or unique situations they have to react quickly and that's when they show

not sure what you mean by earlier in the Day when we have 5 days left

darnnit I was really hoping that was a slip there

Hectic > Clidd

im confident on dsj now

let's lynch hectic

/exit insomnia-emulator.exe

Especially pay attention to the way that I TR people (#1255) and my vote requests (#1250, #1289). The fact that FL is ignoring my identical style and painting it as scummy here leads me to believe his push is disingenuous / bad faith / agenda-driven.

[Ame]

profii and Una stop being pocketed by FL

whats your experience with scum!FL ?

I don't have any experience with him directly. I just know about him and have skimmed some games.

[Ame]

It's not scum motivated. I'm happy to work with you, I just don't see BEF or Robb being scum here at all.

[Ame]

FL should I continue reading/sorting or do you think my lynch is pretty much set? I feel pretty outsidey in this game and it doesn't feel like anyone is really taking me seriously so I don't really want to put in anymore effort if it's not going to be useful.

For post-game cred I'm locking in the team as flippy/Una.

1760 and 1994 are buddy-indicative.

[Ame]

Why haven’t they wanted to vote for Ame yet? Were they waiting for me?

I think flippy's 1994 indicates that he was gearing up to.

VOTE: Una

[Ame]

Then Una pushes FL back... if I was Una and I'm town, I'd probably push Ame, just based on the Ame/Efn combo but Una doesnt even speculate that could be a combo

He did speculate about it here:

Boon-Gera or Boon-BEF would solve pretty much everything.

flippy reads very scum motivated to me.
I think it would be interesting to see an Ame wagon form from FL, Robb, Una and see which way BEF hammers.

[Ame]

my point is that Una quote doesnt include ame/efn as a team

I see. Misread.

[Ame]

Una I don't get where Boon-Ame is coming from seeing as you've consistently had my slot as town.

[Ame]

We'll see what BEF does. If him and Robb switch over to FL, I'll join. On the other hand, BEF hammering townYou could solidify Boon-BEF. Him hammering scumYou solidifies flippy-Una.
I'd like for you to be able to do your catch up regardless.

[Ame]

[Ame]

Rob please

[Ame]

Flippy target FL?

[Ame]

Well, Ame, which of Profii/Rob/BEF is town.

profii

which means the two people I was hard town reading were the team nice

[Ame]

let's go for fish

[Ame]

Why not just go fish first?

[Ame]

VT

[Ame]

[Ame]

Me or profii/BEF?

[Ame]

I like how you waited for Rob to unvote before posting.

[Ame]

I like how you waited for Rob to unvote before posting.

I just woke up, I live in CET.

It's the proximity to it. Looking through your iso, that's the first post this game that you've made this early.

[Ame]

lmao alright alright

[Ame]

98% sure fl is town

[Ame]

I think he was just trying not to be obvious about it.

[Ame]

I am nothing like this irl. I wish I knew how to translate my irl personality into mafia.

I was going to ask you about this. Do you think your personality is different online in general or just in mafia?