Mini Normal 2122 | Endgame

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Uhhh...can we start playing?

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: Chemist Don't like that opening.

Everyone should be aware of this:

14. Deadlines will be as follows:

- day phases: 7 Days

If you don't mind,

please refer to me as Rabid

. Thanks.

BTW EoD will be next Friday at 5:00 PM Pacific time

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Why do you find Kemist opening scummy rabid.

Too chatty, and no vote.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: nero cain

I'm pseudo town so follow me.

pseudo confirmed town*

I used to be WAY against early claiming/softing. BUT, lately when I'm scum in a normal, early claims seem to create so many clears that it makes life for scum really difficult. I sometimes think that with current normal game design meta, it might be best to mass claim D1.

Anyway, point is that I have a provable town role. Note that it's novice, so I can't prove it until N2.

So, beginning town bloc is garmr/rabid.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Basically he isn’t claiming or softing anything

Sounds like you feel threatened by the town bloc.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Scum sometimes want to start off by portraying themselves as breezy and chatty, i.e. not nervous.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Okay

So how do you know I’m not just being “breezy and chatty” naturally

I don't, but:
- You need something to start real discussion going, and that something is necessarily slim.
- Your reaction isn't helping your case.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

you could just ignore him. that was a dumb reason and not even remotely true. why choose to engage?

You see? Jake also notes that there's no reason to engage over such a slight comment. BUT, he doesn't then push you for the overreaction, and actually votes me, when I'm the one who took us out of RVS. Looks like scum making a chainsaw defense.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: Fake from State Farm

I'm staying on Chemist, but I endorse this product or service. Town lean to N_M.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Note to self: Jake is a Robbnva alt.

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Rabid you might not remember because you were scum, but I did the pseudo confirmed town thing in the last shared game lol.

Should I boot you from the town bloc and just work with N_M?

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It’s the first page of the game, I don’t see how I’m under an obligation to start real discussion

The point was that I started real discussion based on your post, and while I can't know that you're not just in a breezy mood, we have to use something to get out of RVS, and that something is necessarily slim.

And that second point is just an excuse to stick with a push that you can’t follow through on

Not at all. Your reaction has been bad. Town!me would have just ignored such a comment that early. Same with Jake. You look paranoid.

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none of his posts make any sense, he's trying too hard, suggested the idea of mass claiming, trying to earn town cred by claiming he ended rvs, and falsely accused me of something. I know it's page 3 but if he has done all that this early, it can only get worse.

Why are you trying to quick lynch someone who has claimed a provable town role?

Oh yeah, because you're scum.

VOTE: Jake

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none of his posts make any sense, he's trying too hard, suggested the idea of mass claiming, trying to earn town cred by claiming he ended rvs, and falsely accused me of something. I know it's page 3 but if he has done all that this early,

it can only get worse

.

...he must be town, because scum!Rabid (and scum in general) doesn't start the game balls out like that.

FTFY

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I don't worry about claims and I don't believe them.

Personally, if someone says they have a provable claim, I give them time to prove it.

I base my reads on how people play and so far you have played like scum.

You seriously see scum playing like this on pp 1-3? I find that really hard to believe.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

But if you want to dance. Let’s dance. I’m not afraid of death

No actually I'm done with you for now.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Towniest at top:
Jake
Garmr, N_M, Chemist
Luna

VOTE: Luna

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I like the vote a lot more now.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I like the vote a lot more now.

Why are you trying to quick lynch someone who has claimed a provable town role?

Er, because you were obviously joking.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Was i?

Yes. You don't make a serious claim and follow it up with a LOL emoji.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I dislike how NM picks literally one thing in Jake's post to complain about and ignores the rest.

The thing he picked on was very valid though. Scum are the ones with knowledge and agendas. They're

more

likely to make sense than town.

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If you're town, then I correctly sorted you by page 4.

I'm town, but you're still pushing me.

Who needs to step up their game?

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I'm Persivul.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Prediction: 1 scum in Nero/kage

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I don't like Jake for seeming to need to quickflip Rabid based on very little.

that's a lie

You don't need to call everything you disagree with a lie.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Just checked, as Rabid I played with Robbnva back in November, and replaced out because of him.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Just had a 12 hour shoot day filming for a short film I directed/wrote, and acted in (alongside Emperor flippyNips acting), and prior to that I had a looonnnng 4 day shoot of overnights last weekend. I’m tired, and I shall likely pick up this game in a couple real life days

Is this a boon alt?

Phases are only 7 calendar days.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Untrue statements are lies so why wouldn’t I?

I’m really trying to dial back my aggressiveness. As long as somebody doesn’t cross a line we should be good.

Do what you like, but if you keep it up I'm out of here. I just signed up for the next mini since you'll likely keep it up.

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Nothing sings toxicity like threatening to replace out.

IMO calling people liars at the drop of a hat is much more toxic. Go figure.

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My theory is maybe rabid/kage team?

Nope. Me, kage, and nero are in a hood. Very unlikely that two of us are scum. Pretty likely that one of us is.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

oh lol was that your provable thing?

No. That proves nothing.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Pretty likely that one of us is.

or none of us have to be scum? Like I guess I understand the idea of "oh a hood, there has to be scum in it but its a very very low tier thought process and something that you could easily abuse as scum to attempt to chain lynch me and kage.

Sure, it could be three town, but I've never seen that in my experience, and I've been seeing a shitload of scum neighbors/neighborizers lately. It's the in thing - give scum a role that has no power.

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Pretty sure Rabid mentioned that his provable thing was Novice, which means he cant use it until N2

Points for reading.

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Untrue statements are lies so why wouldn’t I?

Didn’t call anyone a liar

but did accuse somebody of lying which is different

I also except town to respond

when being called a liar

and kage ignored. He knows better not to address it cause it only makes him look worse. Problem is, it’s too late to appear town. Kage town should have owned up to the lie and apologized. Kage is scum doubling down and he’s painted himself into a corner.

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I'm comparing this game to my last one and in this one his more defensive twitchy. His reasoning more stretched.

I was giving him time for a bigger sample size, but yeah, I've felt he's different from our last game where he was town.
VOTE: kage

[Rabid Schnauzer]

kage is lynchbait here.

Last game he was lynchbait, and scum (I was one of them) kept him around until mylo and lynched him for the win.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I have a probably scum role

So you're probably scum?

[Rabid Schnauzer]

If anyone has angry puppy neighborhood meta, I'd appreciate it, btw. There's a thing I want to look into and I don't want to dig for games to read by myself.

Angry Puppy, how strong would you say you are as scum?

I'm Persivul. Pretty strong.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I've had plenty of games with hoods, but no, I'm not going to dig them up.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I also don’t worry about risk. I have no fear of death, being scum read, or really if people like me.

Imagine you have two options:

1.

Play standard without attracting attention in a game with many players;

2.

Play aggressive and get a lot of attention, being one of the main focuses of the day;

Which do you think is more advantageous for the red alignment ?

It wouldn't make much sense for Rabid to choose the second as scum. The risk is very high and the benefit is small.

Yep. Just look at my last game. I was scum and didn't do much of anything until D3.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Not_Mafia is town, and lynching out of the neighborhood today is suboptimal.

I pretty much agree.

What do you think of this post:

Pretty likely that one of us is.

or none of us have to be scum? Like I guess I understand the idea of "oh a hood, there has to be scum in it but its a very very low tier thought process and something that you could easily abuse as scum to attempt to chain lynch me and kage.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Who is in the neighbourhood?

Me, Nero, kage/bingle.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: Nero

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Nero Cain (2) - Rabid Schnauzer, Not_Mafia

@mod: this should show N_M first, me second. People do look at order of votes in VCA later in the game. I haven't checked the other wagons. Thanks.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Also garmr is voting bob

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I'm not neighbor voting today.

Interesting. Why have you ruled out voting within the hood?

[Rabid Schnauzer]

u get banned alot guy

This site doesn’t violate the attacker, they ban the attacked for snapping back.

Don't know about your case, but with me and panthaleon that's certainly true.

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Anyways. It is what it is. So I’ll just keep my mouth shut. I don’t care who we lynch anymore.

Then vote Nero please.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Guys. Jake has good reads. Imma sheep him for now

What do you think about Kage AtE before leaving ?

FWIW that started in his last game. I believe it's legit. Had a few PMs with him. He has medical issues and can't pay for treatment, his girlfriend who was also the breadwinner just left him. Guy's pretty much a wreck right now. I wish he would have stayed in just to give himself some escape.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

signed up for too many games, won't happen again
replace me out please

Ooh that's a good development.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Clidd says a lot of words, but doesn't really say anything or push anyone.

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so i know dumb tells are lean scum and it's anti-town to speculate on setup on day 1, but, uh, is there some amount of setup information i'm lacking? like how many mafia are in the game, possible roles, etc? and is there some way to gain this information legally without asking in the thread? since everyone else seems to know (or doesn't care?) it doesn't seem to be in any of the mod posts (speaking of which the flavor of this game doesn't seem to make any sense to me unless there is only one mafia or seth is a third party role?)

There's no setup information given other than it's a normal and so must follow the normal guidelines:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Note that those explicitly normal roles aren't the only possible roles in the game. There are other roles which qualify as normal if used in certain ways.

We don't know how many scum, but the vast majority of 1 player games are 10:3 (10 town, 3 scum). Since it's a mini normal we know there's exactly one scum faction. Third parties like SKs aren't allowed in mini normals.

a lot of day 1 was consumed by the fight between rabid and jake, which seems to be common for jake but not for rabid. at least according to y'all; i haven't yet had the time to read any of their completed games. the aggression from rabid makes sense if rabid has a provable town role and a neighborhood outside of the game thread to discuss any information with since it serves the purpose of helping to determine the alignment of anyone pushed upon as well as helping to determine the alignment of those within the neighborhood. what is strange, though, is rabid's disappearance following the fight with jake,

D1 aggression isn't abnormal for me as town. Unfortunately, I frequently become the center of attention and scum hide behind that. Plus in this case, I know jake will go on forever. So, once I town read jake, I backed off to observe others. Also just depends how busy I am at work.

VOTE: nero

You need to put that in bold or vote tags. p-edit: nm

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: clidd

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: clidd

Why the switch?

Clidd's posting, and developments in the hood.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

It’s easy to appear town in a neighborhood. Especially with who your mates are. I can’t see what you’re saying or doing. That’s part of why I hate neighborhoods and masons. Too much secret conversations

You death tunnel all the time. Seeing the hood wouldn't change that. You'll scum read me until I flip.

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from the setup info it seems that neighbors have a random chance of being mafia

No, the game designer determines whether neighbors are town or scum. It's not random.

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VOTE: Nero

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Did you forgot this ?

No. I have no intention of answering. All you're doing is asking questions in order to look busy.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Well, at least you finally voted. That's your first vote this game, and I had to blatantly taunt you to get it.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

You seem to be unaware of how my vote works.

I know that I hydra'd with farside once, and she taught me that weak pushes without votes means scum, and that's been the story of your game.

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i'd be down for a clidd lynch

Cool.

VOTE: Clidd

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I suggest a Rabid lynch today.

Enough people are going to give me time on my provable role claim that I'm not going to be lynched today. You're wasting your vote.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I was townreading you initially, but I believe I can no longer see a scenario where you are town given these reactions.

Why would you expect someone to collaborate with a scum read? You're not going to go far in this game with that methodology.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I'm starting to think clidd is bad town rather than scum.

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i'm sort of interested in flipping chk, I think if that flips scum we may have caught boon also.

I was just reviewing and had the exact same thought. The way rick unvoted is really bad if chk flips red.
VOTE: chkflp

L-1

[Rabid Schnauzer]

It is not about methodology, but common sense. There is always a chance that your SR is town, so flexibility in approach is much better than aggressiveness. Especially if you are going to establish a communication channel to clarify your doubts.

You're analyzing playstyle rather than motivation.

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It is not about methodology, but common sense. There is always a chance that your SR is town, so flexibility in approach is much better than aggressiveness. Especially if you are going to establish a communication channel to clarify your doubts.

You're analyzing playstyle rather than motivation.

??

What's the motivation for scum to be inflexible?

Put another way: you're arguing that my play is anti-town. Anti-town isn't the same thing as scummy.

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Do note that TRQ has been following Rabid's vote for a while, too.

Rabid/TRQ/Rick makes a lot of sense.

Y'all let a lot of people float through this phase though.

Bad form. Ta ta fr now.

In my experience it's really, really rare for scum to sheep each other like that. When scum sheep, they sheep town.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Not sure what the point of this was, but...that's not how

my

role PM is worded.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

That sucks. Was likely a deadline delay kill.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

He wasnt quoting his role PM, he was typing words that are a town wincondition whether they really are or not (They are!),

I said this before and no one seemed to notice, but I'm town, and my wincon is worded differently. It doesn't include that second part that he wrote. Mod was sloppy and inconsistent. We should read nothing into rolecard wording.

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Trq hammered after seeing info that confirmed chk was town.

See above.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

If you scum read TRQ, by all means vote there, but don't read into the rolecard thing.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: Chemist

[Rabid Schnauzer]

RD claimed weak visitor

I thought that was a joke. Rick, please clarify if you haven't already.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

When did MS get to the point that people want massclaim early.

Current meta in normals makes it effective. As scum I used to love it when people claimed early. Now early claims can kill scum. There just become too many plausible clears for scum to negotiate.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

What are the votes at?

[Rabid Schnauzer]

VOTE: Bob

[Rabid Schnauzer]

So only one person has posted reasons for bob with their vote. That was garmr. Bingle/rabid are voting there and I already don’t trust them from d1.

Gut says bad wagon.

I'm sheeping bingle. I have trouble reading Bob. I'd still prefer chemist. I don't think he's quite this inactive as town.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Very nice win

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I think that's the first time I hit scum as vig.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Robb, if you're reading this, my wincon really was different:

Win condition:
* You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.