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[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Sakura Hana
L-5

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Fred Hey again, nice seeing u. Hope u have easier time forming reads this game.

I'm already having a hard time.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I think flavor did a decent job bumping my shallow tr of sakura up to medium to large townread.

How did that come about?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Current Townreads: Firebringer and Sakura Hana.
Likely-to-be-town reads: NoPowerOverMe.
null reads: everyone else

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Current Townreads: Firebringer and Sakura Hana.
Likely-to-be-town reads: NoPowerOverMe.
null reads: everyone else

Have you considered unvoting your town read?

Actually, no.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Clair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It was the same in my last game.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

stanley, have you finished reading the thread? Any thoughts?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fire comes across as nervous, tbh.

Honestly Blair's concern over the 2 week day gives me a scum lean.

people who feel the need to state that they are being honest generally aren't

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Is that a random vote?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anything else to add?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

FOS: Fred Campbell

Why?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

This is now a serious wagon. Anyone not serious may flee like children now.

VOTE: Flair

L-3

This is now a serious wagon. Anyone not serious may flee like children now.

These two posts look suspiciously similar for two separate accounts.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What exactly are you implying?

The person behind the three accounts are the same.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Three accounts? You only quoted from two.

I made a mistake that betrayed my thoughts.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Claire

Now, why are you voting for Claire?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Claire voted flair, and if they are the same acct we should do the opposite of what they want.

The same person rather.

Three accounts? You only quoted from two.

I made a mistake that betrayed my thoughts.

Do you normally keep secrets that you accidentally "betray" when you are town?

Yes. There are three players that just finished their last game with me. I never shared any reads with them and, when asked, I told them that I had no reads for I had mostly forgotten them because of their volatility

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Claire voted flair, and if they are the same acct we should do the opposite of what they want.

Why do you think I'm the same account as someone else. Do you normally accuse people of breaking site rules as a scumtell?

Are you going to ask me this question?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If they are the same person wouldnt the list mod have caught that?

That is exactly why I didn't express my opinion immediately. If anyone is paying attention, the Joined: date under the accounts Clair and Flair are June 05, 2020. Both of them. Hence my suspicions. They may very well be actually three different players, though.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Now that you mention it, Blair and Flair do have accounts that look similar to mine. Fan accounts maybe? I'm flattered.

But Blair "Joined:" first.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Because you created a fan account of Blair after she made hers.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Alts joining the same game is against rules.

If that's what you think it's happening then report it to a list mod or something, they can easily verify that, worst case scenario they arent the same person and nothing happens.

I know you weren't talking to me, but I just did what you suggested.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can we now talk about something other than Blair, Clair, and Flair?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

FOS: Fred Campbell

Why?

You have not answered this.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Who is hoopla?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

FOS: Fred Campbell

Why?

You have not answered this.

You have not answered this.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Hello?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anyone there?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Why wouldn't you want to vote me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

This has gotten a lot more suspicious.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If anyone genuinely believes I would jeopardize a 7 year old account to cheat in this game by creating two alts with matching avatars and usernames to play under three names (and that the list mod wouldn't check first?) you can kindly sod off. Report it to the list mod if you really believe that's what's happening and stop bogging down the thread.

I think the list mod has checked before placing us all in a game. I noticed he came online, but did not place us into a game even though it was full, probably to check on those accounts. I've sent a message to the list mod nonetheless and am in full agreement with you that we should stop talking about this.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Oh they're definitely alts, they were created the day they joined the game.

I doubt they're actually alts of

each other

though because they're so similar that the list mod surely checked that, and they're typically pretty good about catching those accounts. IP checks and all that.

I want ABR to vote Frederick with me - whether or not he answers the question.

Sure, anything to progress this game.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

FOS: Fred Campbell

Why?

You have not answered this.

You have not answered this.

If I choosw to answer it, I will upgrade my FOS to a vote.

Why wouldn't you want to vote me?

This has gotten a lot more suspicious.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Again, no interest in answering you at this time.

Still no interest in answering me? If so, why?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Yeah, that's part of the pressure application.

I'd probably have moved on by now if he had responded, like, at all.

I know you have already moved on (I have finished reading the thread), but I would still like to respond to you. Just realize that in my timezone, it was past midnight and I was fast asleep.

He seems to have believed you were cheating and that the list mod checks for things like this before allowing games to start at roughly the same time.

Which brings us back to:

Cognitive dissonance.

It is true that I experienced cognitive dissonance. I have learned to hold multiple conflicting ideas simultaneously, especially when I do not have a clear indication as to which one is correct. It is uncomfortable, but the best course of action when not enough information is known. By the way, implosion (the normal list mod) had got back to me, saying that he did check. So, cognitive dissonance resolved, on that subject matter.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Warning: Flair is at L-2. I would hate the situation where some people quickhammer and we end up in the night phase.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What do you make of Flair?

If people were to "quickhammer and we end up in night phase" how would you expect him to flip? Do you anticipate we would punish those people severely, reward them handsomely, or ignore them entirely?

In my last two games, the players who quickhammered both flipped town. The players who were quickhammered also flipped town (although in one of those games, I was scumreading the player who got quickhammered while in the other game, I was null on the player who was quickhammered) What I make of Flair now is that there is a case where I can argue he is town, and also a case where I can argue he is scum. Using the idea that the argument with the least assumptions is most likely to be correct, I guess Flair is probably town.

"If people were to "quickhammer and we end up in night phase," I would really hate what they just did, but I currently take it as non-alignment indicative because of my last two games. I would really like to "punish them severely", but I think we should instead scrutinize them severely.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Flavor Leaf, I have been scumreading Albert B. Rampage for refusing to explain his Finger of Suspicion on me, not for stopping me from talking about the alt conspiracy theory, which he never did.

Postscript: I will not be online for the next few hours, you may leave your questions for me in your posts and I will try to be thorough in answering them. If I do miss any, though, feel free to point it out. See you in a few hours' time!

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'm now back online. It appears nothing has transpired in my absence.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Nothing involving me, at least.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Here are where my scumreads are at present.

Albert B. Rampage
stan1ey

I was going to challenge NoPowerOverMe's points about Looker, but those points are indeed valid. However, I do not have a scumread on Looker because in the very least he has been posting and I don't think his behaviour up to this point is alignment indicative.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What are your scumreads, Sakura Hana?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Looker

L-4

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Looker

L-4

I might be going there, their ISO is full of nothing and some votes where I cant tell where they came from.

Do you know where my scumreads are?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Speaking of, why did you vote Looker then

Both of my scumreads have hardly any pressure. I am null on Looker, so, I might as well pressure them.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to make my thought process this transparent. Well, won't know till I see its effects.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Why do you think stanley's single post is scum indicative but Looker's walls that contain literally nothing but fluff and some votes are NAI?

Because I asked stan1ey a question, which he didn't answer.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

3:06:16 am

Bruh page 10 already VOTE: flair

4:19:29 am

stanley, have you finished reading the thread? Any thoughts?

And stanley hasnt posted in thread since...

What's your point?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I don't get it.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

For real, if you think I'm messing with you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to make my thought process this transparent. Well, won't know till I see its effects.

What's wrong with transparency?

It might affect the behaviour of the other players, causing it to be difficult for me to read them.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Ok sure, my point is that you asked your question 1 hour 14 minutes after stanley's post and stanley hasn't posted since. It's probable he hasnt even read your question and I don't think your scumread of Stanley is logical nor looks like scumhunting.

Actually, now that you mention it, you're right that it isn't a good reason to scumread him.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Seriously? As soon as I move my vote EXPLICITLY because everyone was townreading Frederick, his wagon takes off?

VOTE: Frederick A Campbell

What do you hope to achieve with this wagon of yours?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Seriously? As soon as I move my vote EXPLICITLY because everyone was townreading Frederick, his wagon takes off?

VOTE: Frederick A Campbell

What do you hope to achieve with this wagon of yours?

Optimistically? Victory! More likely? A firmer read on your slot.

Perhaps I should direct the same question back to you. What do you hope to achieve with this wagon of

yours?

You're voting for Looker right now, someone you claim you are null reading. You claim you are voting for him to apply "pressure" to him, yet you haven't addressed him even once since then.

Please explain your pressure application process - I must be missing something obvious.

I hope that I could figure out his alignment. If I couldn't, since I only have 1 scumread now (Albert B. Rampage), I might as well get him lynched, confirming him town or scum.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

And if a wagon does form on Albert B. Rampage, I'll surely go along with it unless I start to townread him.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Flair wagon looks scummy. Looker and Fred wagons look towny.

How is that Looker and my wagons look towny? They seem non-alignment indicative to me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...

We should still kill Looker, Fredrick seems naive

Is this a policy lynch? Also, how are you making this determination that Fred is naive? Especially after two years of play
...
[*]I've yet to see one legitimate vote in this thread, lol. It's a gamble and my gambles are no less potent than yours. I think I'm just not as deceitful about it.[*]I don't know what Fred is accomplishing. Is a pressure vote effective if you say it's a pressure vote? Is a pressure vote effective if you don't engage the slot? It looks like he just wants to be on a wagon.
...

You are right, I have failed to accomplish anything. I just thought that it might be a good idea to hop on a wagon because I have observed many other players doing it. Guess it isn't a good idea to just imitate other people's play without understanding what the play is supposed to accomplish.

As for my experience, I am just back from a very long hiatus (I have no idea how long ago my third game before this game is, and this is my third game since the hiatus). I wouldn't consider myself to know what I am doing.

In this paragraph, I intended to write that I shall no longer be so transparent with my reads, but I have decided against that.

Moving forward, I shall place my vote on the scummiest player in my reads instead of some player that I am null on.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Looker, why don't you have a scumread on me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is bothering me is that you refuse to explain why you even had a finger of suspicion on me, saying that you would vote for me if you answered my question.

FOS: Fred Campbell

Why?

You have not answered this.

You have not answered this.

If I choosw to answer it, I will upgrade my FOS to a vote.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is bothering me is that you refuse to explain why you even had a finger of suspicion on me, saying that you would vote for me if you answered my question.

It's a warning shot accross the bow to lay off of me.

And why are you so concerned about whether or not I am laying off of you?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anyone has any thoughts on Albert B. Rampage? If anyone agrees with me that Albert B. Rampage's behaviour is the scummiest of all the players and is most likely to be scum, let's start a wagon on him, threatening to lynch him.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You can call it OMGUS, or whatever you want.

But my wagon being the largest at any point in-time should certainly draw pause. Considering A) Nobody voting me at that time had made any legitimate attempt to engage with me beyond Blair (FB actively avoided and ignored me), and B) Not one explained why exactly they suspected me, other than FB. Which, he only explained several hundred posts after the fact, and could be boiled down to him not liking me for taking the game seriously.

(Which in my experience isn’t an offense, but clearly you all play very differently than I do.)

The objective here is to drive up a wagon and see who blinks first and for what reasons, like a game of chicken.

And what is the point of this?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anyone has any thoughts on Albert B. Rampage? If anyone agrees with me that Albert B. Rampage's behaviour is the scummiest of all the players and is most likely to be scum, let's start a wagon on him, threatening to lynch him.

I don't really see anything from ABR that I would interpret to be alignment indicative.

Which I find slightly alignment indicative.

But it's really too soon to tell.

Don't you find his constant evasion of explaining his Finger of Suspicion on me suspicious?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What are you two attempting to achieve here?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If someone falters, it just means they made a reasoning mistake. Is that alignment indicative? No.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

But also sometimes yes.

True.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Good night. It's 11 PM here.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Albert B. Rampage, why do you not want to answer questions?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If he really answers in that manner, I will not be sorry if we end up lynching him.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Flair wagon looks scummy. Looker and Fred wagons look towny.

How is that Looker and my wagons look towny? They seem non-alignment indicative to me.

NoPowerOverMe, you have yet to explain yourself.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It's the people on the wagons.

I know you meant the people on the wagons. The question is why you think those people are towny.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is taking you so long, NoPowerOverMe?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Ay, my mistake. I foolishly assumed "blinking" on the Flair wagon meant leaving it, which you seemed to have done in 497. How silly of me!

Embarrassingly, I have yet to identify which part of that interpretation was in error - enlighten me?

You said you bowed to my superior judgment on Flair and would sheep me. Seeing as you've changed your mind, I can only conclude that you were lying.

It does not require a particularly careful reading of my progression there (since I directly stated it) that I only departed from my Frederick vote because I wasn't getting sufficient support for it to mount a viable wagon.

It also does not require a very careful reading of the thread (because, again, I outright stated it) to see that multiple people immediately voted for Frederick afterwards - a significant change in circumstances!

You got me.

Can you please describe the scum motive behind me applying my vote consistently with my stated intentions, so that the rest of the Town can see how well you got me?

This explains why you jumped off Campbell and back onto Campbell but not why you jumped on Flair in the first place. So please answer the question again, less snark this time.

This explains why you jumped off Campbell and back onto Campbell but not why you jumped on Flair in the first place. So please answer the question again, less snark this time.

The objective here is to drive up a wagon and see who blinks first and for what reasons, like a game of chicken.

I had wool over my eyes when I first read this post of yours, Blair. However, now that I read it again, it still leaves the question unanswered, why did you even vote for Flair?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Why don't you want to answer questions?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...

• I also think that Blair's forgotten that I was already at L-1.

...

I think you have not been reading the thread.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...

• I also think that Blair's forgotten that I was already at L-1.

...

I think you have not been reading the thread.

You really stopped by just to say that? How worthless.
...

Do you know what I meant?
VOTE: Looker

Postscript: I wrote the above post when I was only at page 45. I proceeded to read the game and a wagon started on Looker. This postscript is written after I have read post 1237 by NoPowerOverMe.

Looker is at L-3.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

And there are lots of crappy day 1 wagons usually and this is one of them.

All right. Give us a day 1 wagon that is not crappy by your standards.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Ok, well when he flips town don't say I didn't tell you so.

We won't, because you haven't done a job of explaining why he's a villager.

Who should we eliminate instead?

According to you. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Since you want innocent until proven guilty, wouldn't stan1ey, iamausername, and Clair all be innocent until you prove them guilty?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You need to explain your reads if you want anyone to follow you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

In my experience with NoPowerOverMe, we wouldn't lose much if we lynch him. He only survived in the other game because he claimed vanilla townie in ten pages.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

L-3

[Fredrick A Campbell]

NPOM, did you figure everything out as Blair said and we should sheep you, or is Blair being a sassy mean girl?

I haven't figured everything out.

So why can't you help me bandwagon? When you stay off like that, it makes me think you know that the player will flip town and you want to keep your hands clean while assuming no responsibility whatsoever. It's mighty suspicious.

In my case, I stayed off your suggested wagon of Blair because I don't have any reason to scumread Blair.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

My thoughts on Looker have not changed much, I think he's scum and i also think Fred is a partner.
...

Sakura Hana,

If you are still scumreading me because of my suspicion on stan1ey but I was null on Looker, I would like to point out that I admitted that I didn't have a strong reason to scumread stan1ey and have stopped doing so. Now that I think about that situation, I think I have a strong bias against anyone I question and do not answer my question. I have corrected for that bias in my present reads.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred, can you explain where exactly your suspicion of Looker and NPOM comes from?

You continue to hope between the two and I’d like to know more about where you stand. Thanks.

I am actually null on both now. I don't think we will lose much if we lynch then and they turn out to be town, though.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Wait, I actually have do have a minor scumread of Looker for still saying he was at L-1 because it seems like he hasn't been reading the thread. Now that I typed that out, though, I realise I was actually applying a double standard and rescind this scumread.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

There's a difference between townblocking cluelessly and townblocking as though you know all the player's alignments.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If that's the case, why is it that I am never scum in your reads?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred, can you explain where exactly your suspicion of Looker and NPOM comes from?

You continue to hope between the two and I’d like to know more about where you stand. Thanks.

I am actually null on both now. I don't think we will lose much if we lynch then and they turn out to be town, though.

I don’t necessarily disagree, though I don’t like when it’s said that way.

Because ultimately if we read them incorrectly and they’ve given us enough to read them accurately, it’s our fault.

Who’re your top villagers?

I have nearly forgotten you asked this question. Currently, my top would be Sakura Hana because of how suspicious she got of me when she realised that I am not voting for my scumread.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Because you're playing similarly to 2143 where you were town.

I think you need to start to figure out motives instead of just playstyle. You told the other players yourself on day 2 in that game, "you've got to look past the surface level."

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I have already achieved my motive. Can you figure out what it is?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It was to move the game forward. I think I have succeeded tremendously.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...
Fred's original scumread on abr felt really forced and when I was reading him constantly press ABR for an answer to his original question again seemed so unnatural and scummy. His scumread on me not answering him when Sakura pointed out I prolly hadnt even read it (I had but that's not the point) is also really forced. I was gonna put my vote here but I'm not going to for now cos I am not up to date and dont wanna hammer or put him on l-1 by accident.
...

I would argue it was organic.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

That is not what I want. I would rather you show me why you think it wasn't organic and I tell you why it was organic.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

1. I would have questioned ABR regardless of whoever he placed as FOS.

2. I actually had a genuine scumread of you for not answering the questioned I posed you. It's just a bias of mine that I should really correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there is anything I could show that backups these two statements, though, so agreeing to disagree is our only option now.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

How can you accuse me of not answering you when I hadnt made a single post after you said it

Also this kinda proves my point, you're aware its you're meta to scumread people for that so so makes sense you would say that it when forced to explain a made up read

I actually wasn't aware I had a tendency to do that. I was only aware in retrospect.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also, it wasn't made up, I genuinely had a scumread of you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...

Spoiler:

...

• I also think that Blair's forgotten that I was already at L-1.

...

I think you have not been reading the thread.

You really stopped by just to say that? How worthless.
...

Do you know what I meant?
VOTE: Looker

Postscript: I wrote the above post when I was only at page 45. I proceeded to read the game and a wagon started on Looker. This postscript is written after I have read post 1237 by NoPowerOverMe.

Looker is at L-3.

No, because you didn't say anything.
...

Since you are apparently unable to figure out what I was trying to say, I shall clarify. I was trying to tell you you were never at L-1. Your apparent ignorance of that suggests that you did not read the post where that was made explicit (unless there is somewhere else in this thread where you were actually put at L-1).

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: abr
Mafia shouldn't be a dick wagging contest.

Aren't you townreading Albert B. Rampage?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Explain why you were townreading Albert B. Rampage. Next, explain why you are scumreading Albert B. Rampage.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I was townreading him based on fire and Sakura and his obnoxiousness.

I am now scumreading him because he is actively pushing bad lynches, not providing solid reasoning, omgusing, and trying to exert influence in an anti town mannern

What differentiates you from him?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

flair/NPOM/looker

That might just well be the entire scum team.

What happened to your scumread on me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What happened to not explaining your reads?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can I take this as a reads list?:

I am dividing the player group into 4 groups right now:
*the 2143s:

NPOM

,

Firebringer

,

Fred

,

Sakura

*the aire's:

Blair

,

Flair

,

Clair

*the active's:

ABR

,

FL

,

Looker

,

turkey

*the inactives:

stan

,

IAAU

I assume the colors mean your reads, but figured I'd ask.

Yes.

Do you still have the same readlist?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

NPOM is pretty towny tho

Do you have anything to back that up or is that going to be another of your feels.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

For reasons no one has explained beyond Blair and Sakura. FL has done the least to forward the game-state.

If you disagree with either of my pushes on Looker or NPOM, feel free to say so.

Don't run away, vote NPOM with us.

I'd rather Looker at the moment.

What are your reads on NoPowerOverMe?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Blair

I get the impression ABR pushes whatever is most topical in-thread. None of his pushes have been his own.

Do you think this is an accurate assessment? And whatever happened to your suspicion on him? It's gone and you're fine to vote with him now, or?

I don't think his behaviour is that alignment indicative now after correcting for my bias against players who don't answer questions.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Blair

I get the impression ABR pushes whatever is most topical in-thread. None of his pushes have been his own.

Do you think this is an accurate assessment? And whatever happened to your suspicion on him? It's gone and you're fine to vote with him now, or?

I don't think his behaviour is that alignment indicative now after correcting for my bias against players who don't answer questions.

That's not really my point.

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own? Neither the Looker nor NPOM wagons he instigated, he just followed along.

I'll have to revisit his vote on Clair, will do that now.

Votecount 1.8

Clair(5)

~ Albert B. Rampage(74), NoPowerOverMe(117), Sakura Hana(87), Looker(17), Firebringer(160)

Albert B. Rampage(4)

~ Fredrick A Campbell(73), gobbledygook(34), Clair(65), Blair(176)

Flair(2)

~ stan1ey(5), Flavor Leaf(95)

gobbledygook(1)

~ iamausername(19)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ Flair(165)



Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-21 22:56:43)

FLAVOR

36 in. x 80 in. Rustic Mahogany Type Left-Hand Inswing Stained Distressed Speakeasy Solid Wood Prehung Front Door - $999

When it's a door!

Votecount 1.9

NoPowerOverMe(3)

~ Albert B. Rampage(98), Blair(217), Sakura Hana(105)

Looker(3)

~ gobbledygook(41), Flair(221), Fredrick A Campbell(77)

Flair(2)

~ stan1ey(5), Flavor Leaf(115)

iamausername(1)

~ NoPowerOverMe(149)

gobbledygook(1)

~ iamausername(19)

Fredrick A Campbell(1)

~ Firebringer(168)

Clair(1)

~ Looker(19)

Albert B. Rampage(1)

~ Clair(78)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-21 22:56:43)

You're wrong about history.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

NPOM is pretty towny tho

Do you have anything to back that up or is that going to be another of your feels.

Its day 1 bro, nobody has any evidence on anything. If you're town you are really making this game harder for yourself man

I love a challenge. Also, having at least something before scumreading someone is actually better, right?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own?

I started a wagon on Fred when Claire and I had 4-5 votes.

I don't remember you starting a wagon on me. I remember Flavor Leaf doing so, though.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own?

I started a wagon on Fred when Claire and I had 4-5 votes.

I don't remember you starting a wagon on me. I remember Flavor Leaf doing so, though.

On page 45 I started the wagon on you.

Oh, that second wagon.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Being the first on the VC when the VC is posted so infrequently isn't a metric for the intent of ABR's pushes, which have been largely hollow. He will even admit he hasn't articulated his suspicion to the extent he is likely capable.

That wasn't your question, was it?

@Blair

I get the impression ABR pushes whatever is most topical in-thread. None of his pushes have been his own.

Do you think this is an accurate assessment? And whatever happened to your suspicion on him? It's gone and you're fine to vote with him now, or?

I don't think his behaviour is that alignment indicative now after correcting for my bias against players who don't answer questions.

That's not really my point.

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own? Neither the Looker nor NPOM wagons he instigated, he just followed along.

I'll have to revisit his vote on Clair, will do that now.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is the case against me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred, now you're ruining it with your weirdness. Stop trying to make me scumread you.

I'm not trying to.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also, I did the exact same thing in the last game I was in with you, where I came in after not posting for a while and stopping the main wagons because I believed them to be mislynches.

This is actually an extremely common occurrence for me.

@Looker - I did this in that game Nomnom/Bob were scum Day 1.

@Gobbledy/Sakura/FB - I’m sure you’ve seen me do this before, it happens often.

As scum or as town?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I’m a Day 3 Activated IC, good look with this one.

We'll see.

UNVOTE:

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I need you on stanley now, we lynch FL later

Also, I did the exact same thing in the last game I was in with you, where I came in after not posting for a while and stopping the main wagons because I believed them to be mislynches.

You mean when you saved my scumbuddy and hammered the cop?

Not the best time to threaten to end the game, would you agree?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Flavor Leaf aka Boonskiies is good enough at lying with his acting background to manipulate us all into townreading and sheeping him, so before he makes more convincing lies, I need pressure on stanley and I prefer if hes given a chance to claim. Once stanley flips scum, my credibility as a scumhunter will be unquestioned and ill power through any jedi mind tricks FL throws my way and nail the last scum after that too.

Fred I still need you to vote stanley so my plan can work.

I don't trust that your read is definitely correct.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Flavor Leaf aka Boonskiies is good enough at lying with his acting background to manipulate us all into townreading and sheeping him, so before he makes more convincing lies, I need pressure on stanley and I prefer if hes given a chance to claim. Once stanley flips scum, my credibility as a scumhunter will be unquestioned and ill power through any jedi mind tricks FL throws my way and nail the last scum after that too.

Fred I still need you to vote stanley so my plan can work.

I don't trust that your read is definitely correct.

well you need to lend me your trust for a few crucial moments as the fate of the game is in the balance, you can resume distrusting me in a few real life days

You seem kind of desperate for this. Why?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...
You don't have to vote for Looker. We have a lot of time left.
...

But now we don't?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You seem kind of desperate for this. Why?

Hes really good at using pattern interrupts to redirect the game momentum in his favor. He's a threat to town as scum due to his persuasiveness, that he treats as a performance, like he does in theater professionally. I will need every possible ally -even past rivals and emenies- in order to win against FL. His plans have plans, he's ready to tell some very well polished, well crafted, believable lies to manipulate everyone while sounding like a sincere choir boy.

I'm like Goku trying to stop Cell before he achieves his ultimate form and I need friends to defeat the boss and save the world.

So, we should be lynching Flavor Leaf since he is a larger threat, right?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: stan1ey

L-1

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Stan1ey

One moment you say stan1ey might be scum, the next you are performing the hammer.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

EBWOP: One moment you say stan1ey might be town, the next you are performing the hammer.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

EBWOP: One moment you say stan1ey might be town, the next you are performing the hammer.

ABR literally mentioned I did this in the last game the page you put him to L-1.

You literally mentioned it was 1 hour before deadline.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Alright, let's talk reads now.

I think iamausername is scum.

VOTE: iamausername

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We've had three players replace out while being cased.

UNVOTE: Albert's Empty Slot

It isn't realistic to think we can pressure a replacement with a wagon as soon as they sub in, based on their predecessor's posts (they have no way of explaining those posts to us or changing our minds about them). I want to develop reads on those slots based on a sum of their predecessors' content and their replacements' content, but the latter is unlikely to be meaningful when they're flailing around trying to defend against the former.

Unfortunately the replacements and the death of Looker constitute most of my PoE, so I'm left with:

VOTE: NPOM

Proceeds to pressure all the replacements in the post below.

I want to lynch within {Zlair / Votato / Logicalicaltist} today - thoughts?

VOTE: Blair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

Last game you were opposed to massclaiming. What is different in this game?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

ur all over the map my dude like this is RVS or something.

What are you trying to say?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

i want a mass claim in hopes some of my POE will sort out the weak/null reads into certain categories.
I don't have confident strong scumreads.

I have like 2 townreads + 1 townlean.

So kind of need the rest sorted.

I do not think whether or not the other players mass claim is in your control.

VOTE: iamausername

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We shall see.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

i'm on board with FB's massclaim idea personally, because i feel like i have no damn clue about this game at this point and some claims would give me something to work with.

i'm not gonna claim if other people don't agree though.

tried to reread, but there's just so much noise. let's try a raw data approach.
peak wagons of significance, starting from this votecount because fuck doing this for the whole 70 pages of D1.

Clair (5) -

ABR

, NPOM, Sakura,

Looker

, FB

ABR (4)

- Fred, gobbles, Clair, Blair

Looker (4)

-

Flair

, Blair, gobbles,

Flair

, Fred
NPOM (5) -

ABR

, Blair, Sakura, Fred, username,

ABR

Looker

(3) - Blair,

ABR

, NPOM
Clair (3) - FB, NPOM,

ABR

stanley (7)

-

ABR

, FB, NPOM, Sakura, Blair, Fred, FL

---

ABR (6)

- Clair,

Flair

, Blair, votato (Sakura), gobbles, FB

---

not sure what i was hoping to learn from this, but i feel like it doesn't give us all that much without knowing NPOM or Clair's alignments.

on the other hand, gobbles has been on almost every known town wagon, and i suspect the only reason gobbles wasn't on stanley is that stanley went from 0 to lynch while gobbles was offline.

and also Looker was one of the only people not treating gobbles like confirmed town for an RVS joke on D1, so a scum gobbles would explain that kill.

and, oh look, Flair started to doubt his townread on gobbles and then he turns up dead too?

VOTE: gobbledygook

Why did you even bring up the night kill?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Note: If, in the future, Looker resolves as scum, refer back to this moment when Clair rescued him from me.

Let me play the devil(Clair)'s advocate. If Blair were scum, she would have known all along that Looker was town. What was the point of saying this if she already knew that Looker would resolve as town? Blair as scum would have known that Looker will flip town and Clair would never be suspected for it. If someone can find a way for this post to make sense if Blair is scum, my townread on Blair is over.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I can't believe we all missed hammer. No offense to the mod, but this game has been the biggest trainwreck I've played in a long time. (If Albert had claimed and fought it out I don't think he would have gotten lynched.)

I agree with Firebringer on the Flair kill: Flair was obvious town, I don't think any other explanation is needed.

I would be willing to lynch Gobbles today, but right now this is my bigger suspect:

VOTE: Blair

Blair has pushed all players but taken a back seat twice now in actually picking the lynch. Blair has put in all the work to look town without actually doing much of anything else: no cases, no convincing pushes, lots of jokes about pockets that are starting to look uncomfortably like a pattern.

Really?

Delete it now.

I want to lynch in {Looker / ABR / NPOM} and you're ruining it with your weirdness.

I want to lynch within {Zlair / Votato / Logicalicaltist} today - thoughts?

Are you delibrately attempting to misrepresent Blair here?
VOTE: Clair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Campbell, Blair and I have been arguing over your slot all game, with Blair insisting that she has a mild scumread on you while I leaned first town and then null. The fact that Blair doesn't actually want to lynch you anymore is another point in favor of Blair making it all up as she goes.

There's a little something that happened about my slot. If you choose to pursue this case, both Blair and I are out of the game.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I know was against mass claiming but I guess it is over for me now. I'm the Friendly Neighbor and I targeted Blair on Night 2. Hence her sudden townread on me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

To Clair:

I know was against mass claiming but I guess it is over for me now. I'm the Friendly Neighbor and I targeted Blair on Night 2. Hence her sudden townread on me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

To Clair:

I know was against mass claiming but I guess it is over for me now. I'm the Friendly Neighbor and I targeted Blair on Night 2. Hence her sudden townread on me.

I was unfortunate enough to target Looker.
Just for the sake of completeness, who did you target Night 1?

Looking up the role, Friendly neighbor doesn't confirm Blair, it just confirms you. So why is it still not reasonable to suspect Blair?

Because it is loyal. It wouldn't have worked if she was scum.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Strange that it disappeared. Anyway, I targeted Looker on Night 1.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: iamausername

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I don't want to poison the well here, but the longer he goes without posting the likelier he's scum who wants to avoid spew.

Correct course is to wait about a day and then lynch, scum will be forced to kill Frederick since he can clear someone tomorrow.

no he cant, since he won't know if his target resolves. not unless we have a voyeur or a tracker or a watcher who can coordinate with him. i guess if he just states his target before nightfall then other investigatives can work with that info.

It is simple. If the person I targets seems indifferent that they were targeted and do not start to insist that I am town, they are not town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It just occurred to me that I may get roleblocked and the person I target is actually town but did not receive my action because the mafia roleblocked me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I think what we should do here is to play it without speculation for now so we don't waste any more time on this. I may very well be useless even if I survive night 3. That is, if I survive at all.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You target someone and next day wait for claims to see who received your visit. If someone claims unprompted that you visited them, they are town. If someone does not claim that you checked them, they are scum. This is a free check. Scum have to kill you to stop it. The only ways to stop it are if scum have a role that can block you, or a tracker who could tell them if you happen to visit one of them. We would know we were in that situation because... they would have to keep you alive.

In that situation, they would have to kill Blair as the other clear, which would still give us a clear tomorrow.

Why would they have to keep me alive? They could just kill me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You target someone and next day wait for claims to see who received your visit. If someone claims unprompted that you visited them, they are town. If someone does not claim that you checked them, they are scum. This is a free check. Scum have to kill you to stop it. The only ways to stop it are if scum have a role that can block you, or a tracker who could tell them if you happen to visit one of them. We would know we were in that situation because... they would have to keep you alive.

In that situation, they would have to kill Blair as the other clear, which would still give us a clear tomorrow.

I wonder why you are so interested in this?

VOTE: Clair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You target someone and next day wait for claims to see who received your visit. If someone claims unprompted that you visited them, they are town. If someone does not claim that you checked them, they are scum. This is a free check. Scum have to kill you to stop it. The only ways to stop it are if scum have a role that can block you, or a tracker who could tell them if you happen to visit one of them. We would know we were in that situation because... they would have to keep you alive.

In that situation, they would have to kill Blair as the other clear, which would still give us a clear tomorrow.

I wonder why you are so interested in this?

VOTE: Clair

Because I like setup spec.

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

Let's put it this way,

	Implication
If I get nightkilled	Nothing can be concluded from it, since scum may have the necessary roles to make me useless, but decided to kill me anyway.
If I don't get nightkilled	Scum must have had some way to stop me.

Ok. I get it now.

Thank you, Clair. You clearly understand the game better than I do, I concede to your superior senses and will change my opinion to match yours.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

UNVOTE:

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Zlair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

what's the deal with those naked votes? My phone wants to autocorrect votes to boys there... interesting, phone

Just placing it where scum might be.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Mighnt scum be anywhere?

Exactly.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

The reason it's a terrible lynch is that Stanley has nothing particularly scummy about him and will give no good info on a flip. A straight wagon from nothing to lynch is terrible to analyze in later phases.

Maybe to the untrained, virgin eyes of an alien.

To a scumhunting master, all the pieces are in place.

Stanley flips scum, then FL flips scum. Last one is iamuser/Fred most likely.

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

Let's put it this way,

	Implication
If I get nightkilled	Nothing can be concluded from it, since scum may have the necessary roles to make me useless, but decided to kill me anyway.
If I don't get nightkilled	Scum must have had some way to stop me.

Ok. I get it now.

Thank you, Clair. You clearly understand the game better than I do, I concede to your superior senses and will change my opinion to match yours.

I thought about this again and look at what happens if I get nightkilled. Nothing can be concluded from it. What happens if I don't get nightkilled. Something can be concluded from it. Why wouldn't scum just nightkill me tonight then?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Only post 2355 was meant to be quoted.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So you're taking us back to rvs

I don't think I brought us back to RVS. I think that we have very little to go on and are, in effect, in a RVS where one mislynch is going to bring us to LyLo regardless of what I do.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

WARNING: LOGICALICALIST IS AT L-1

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So Fred and Blair are Confirmed I take it?

Frederick claims Loyal Friendly Neighbor; his night targets receive confirmation that he is town, but only if that player is town. Night 1 he visited Looker (who is dead) and Night 2 he visited Blair. Frederick claimed today and Blair backed it up, which clears Fred. Blair had Frederick as a scum-null read all game and today claimed out of nowhere that Frederick was almost surely town, which practically confirms Blair. This is why you were asked if you'd been visited, though I'm not sure why as nobody has Frederick has not claimed to have targeted you.

I missed where Fredrick claimed his Night 1 visit.

Thinking that he hadn't stated his Night 1 visit yet, I was hoping to catch him in a lie (or confirm him as town).

If you had indeed received confirmation that I am town, why are you trying to catch me lying?

VOTE: Blair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Catch LOGIC lying good grief...

Sorry for misunderstanding what you meant.

VOTE: Zlair

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I wish this were "Guess the alts" instead of "Find the mafia" because I have great reads for the former.

what is my main then?

potato

[Fredrick A Campbell]

WARNING: LOGICALICALIST IS AT L-1... AGAIN

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: logicalcaltist

WHY DID YOU DO THAT???????

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred you should target 1 of me and Firebringer.

I will not reveal who I will target.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Wait. That wasn’t hammer.

It was. Blair may have unvoted, but you placed him back at L-1 with your vote.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Votato was already voting him.

I didn't notice that.

WARNING: LOGICALICALIST IS AT L-1

[Fredrick A Campbell]

...

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

Let's put it this way,

	Implication
If I get nightkilled	Nothing can be concluded from it, since scum may have the necessary roles to make me useless, but decided to kill me anyway.
If I don't get nightkilled	Scum must have had some way to stop me.

Ok. I get it now.

Thank you, Clair. You clearly understand the game better than I do, I concede to your superior senses and will change my opinion to match yours.

I thought about this again and look at what happens if I get nightkilled. Nothing can be concluded from it. What happens if I don't get nightkilled. Something can be concluded from it. Why wouldn't scum just nightkill me tonight then?

Dear Clair,

Both the post quoted and this post are addressed to you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Another fairly commonly pushed slot. Not a lot of obvious efforting coming from this slot, but this seems like a playstyle thing. Could be scum, but more likely mislynch bait

I’ve barely been pushed all game.
What u talking about mislynch bait

R u even reading same game as me

You seem to be fairly upset. What's the matter? What's going on?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

My current guess for the scumteam are Clair, Logicalicalist, and Zlair. What do you think?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If I'm right about even 2/3 of this, we should all look into who deserves a scummy nomination for this game, deal?

stanley/clair/iamusername

That's the scum team.

If I am right, he got two-thirds of this wrong.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We are statistically more likely to hit scum if we no lynch today to reach LyLo.

I believe only if we massclaim.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Are you guys mafia newbs?

This is my third game this year.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We are statistically more likely to hit scum if we no lynch today to reach LyLo.

I believe only if we massclaim.

Mass claim in LyLo.

Fair enough.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We get it, Gobbledygook. Odds are better to find 3/7 scum than 3/8 scum.

But we aren't looking for three scum in eight, because we have two clears. One of those clears will die if we no lynch, so we're looking for 3/6 scum either way.

Fair enough, then.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Huzzah! I am a 2-shot Doctor and targeted Fredrick last night. Should I claim whether I have my other shot?

VOTE: gobbledygook

There is no way this can be true.

What are you trying to do here?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What do you mean? I didn't get a friendly neighbour message for the record.

Some scenarios I can think of for why gobbles claimed doc:

-Scum no killed and hoped for no protectives to have a good looking claim for gobbles today.

-They targeted Fredrick but the kill failed. Kill taker wasn't blocked. Gobbles claims doctor hoping it'd look too ridiculous for scum.

-Scum performing the kill was roleblocked or jailkeeped last night. Gobbles claims doc to cover for person who was blocked.

Either way though, he's scum.

Or he might just be a doctor.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Here's the theory I have right now.

Zlair, gobbledygook and Firebringer are the scumteam.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Mod

If an X-shot role targeted a jailed player, would they still use up one of their shots?

If you read the normal guidelines on X-Shot, it says that "X-Shot roles that are roleblocked should not be refunded their shots."

Claims:

Blair

- Announcing Neapolitan (N1: IAAU / N2: Frederick / N3: Firebringer)

iamausername

- Odd Night Psychologist (N1: ABR / N3: Gobbles)

Clair

- Jailkeeper (N1: Flair / N2: Votato / N3: Frederick)

Zlair

- 2-Shot Doctor (N3: Frederick)

Gobbledygook

- VT

Firebringer

- VT

Votato

- VT

Frederick

- VT

---

Blair's role is backed up by Frederick and iamausername

Frederick's role is backed up by Blair

Zlair and Clair's N3 actions can both corroborate the N3 no kill.

I just can't get past Odd-Night Psychologist. By night 3 in a 3-scum game isn't Psychologist almost useless? Why wouldn't it just be 1-shot or Night-1 Psychologist?

If it has been the same member committing the factional kill throughout the whole game, the psychologist would get that his/her/its target could kill but has not done so. Thus, it is not completely useless.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If scum had an Ascetic then they would carry out all the kills, which would make a Psychologist completely useless, and making the Psychologist completely useless is a nerf to the Universal Backup as well.

Which means Firebringer can really only be Ascetic Scum if iamausername is scum, too. Which requires scum to know about the Neapolitan, which could make sense if Firebringer was, baiting the Neapolitan with his VT claim, but doesn't really explain the Frederick kill attempt.

Blair, the Psychologist only gets a positive on the scum that has not killed. This means that if the psychologist were to target the other two scum who have never committed the kill, the psychologist would know that they can kill.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If scum had an Ascetic then they would carry out all the kills, which would make a Psychologist completely useless, and making the Psychologist completely useless is a nerf to the Universal Backup as well.

Which means Firebringer can really only be Ascetic Scum if iamausername is scum, too. Which requires scum to know about the Neapolitan, which could make sense if Firebringer was, baiting the Neapolitan with his VT claim, but doesn't really explain the Frederick kill attempt.

Blair, the Psychologist only gets a positive on the scum that has not killed. This means that if the psychologist were to target the other two scum who have never committed the kill, the psychologist would know that they can kill.

W

Why would you assume scum haven't been spreading the kills around? By iamausername's own admission, he won't get to check again for at least another 2 nights, so scum could probably easily work it so any future psychologist checks would be worthless by Night 5.

While it will be, we don't know if it was.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

alright thats it. I am hijacking this game.
Blair u need to sit the fuck down. Cause i am gonna spam this game to hell and we gonna do my one lynch I really want.

Because if I am gonna be wrong. I get to call one shot here.

What about me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

i like the added font

Thanks.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

this is the true test of votato being town.
if he is scum he will join the wagon. He only needs to wait for his teammates to vote and then he can hammer me.

Let's not forget, scum have daychat. Votato may be waiting for his other two teammates to come online.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What will u do tomorrow, if it turned out all doors just vanished. How will u go from room to room. Without them doors make life impossible to navigate.
How will u know when to not bother a roommate because he is getting busy? How will u keep ur groceries preserved? How will u take a dump with some privacy?

That is the world in which will occur if Zlair isn't lynched.
Zlair is against doors. A vote for zlair is a vote to keep doors alive.

We shall use curtains then.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

fred i got a logic reasoning why u should be voting zlair instead of me.

okay here me out.

Lets suppose:
i am scum with votato.

If u vote Zlair. We couldn't possibly quick hammer because we need another townie to mislynch, right?

But if I am town.
U and blair both town. Ur giving scum chance to quick hammer me.

SO THE BEST WAGON FROM PERSPECTIVE OF NOT TRYING TO INSTANT LOSE IS. ZLAIR

boom. mic drop.

This is the best move then.

UNVOTE:

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Or I should be less hasty in my decision making process.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Or I should be less hasty in my decision making process.

aren't u man of history!

History tells us those who wait and do nothing are the ones who always get punished!

well except for like the battle of cannahe.
and actually a few other battles.

MOST OF THE TIME WHEN U ACT U ARE REWARDED

Or punished as you march into an ambush.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Or punished as you march into an ambush.

ambushes rarely ever played a large role in conflicts in history tho

Depends on the terrain.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I WAS ALSO AGAINST ABR LYNCH AND U WANTED THAT

THIS GAME HAS LITERALLY BEEN BLAIR GETS WHAT SHE WANTS

WHAT IS THIS SHIT

So you were against Albert B. Rampage's lynch but voted him anyway?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Forgive my forgetfulness.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

i am assuming ur scum whose night ability tells the person they visited them.
Fred is town.

u replace Clair in my scum solve.

A scum announcing neapolitan?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Personally, the scum team played very well. It was impossible to ascertain who was scum in this game in my opinion. I now think that I had been a bit hasty in placing stan1ey at L-1 and it was a good idea to take back my vote on Firebringer although it was a bad idea to vote there in the first place.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So many PRs in a 13-player game also feels like too much.

there was 3?

Yes.

Actually, there were four counting the mafia rolestopper.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

When one believes that they make no mistakes, they fail to notice the mistakes they make. Failing to notice these mistakes, they are bound to do it again, never learning from these mistakes which, as far as they are concerned, never happened.

At the end of every game, it may be helpful to the other players to point out the flaws in the player's play. When others point out flaws in your play, it is important to critically examine them and figure out how to fix the flaw, if it is a flaw.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

When one believes that they make no mistakes, they fail to notice the mistakes they make. Failing to notice these mistakes, they are bound to do it again, never learning from these mistakes which, as far as they are concerned, never happened.

At the end of every game, it may be helpful to the other players to point out the flaws in the player's play. When others point out flaws in your play, it is important to critically examine them and figure out how to fix the flaw, if it is a flaw.

what were the flaws in my play? i bet you cant find any!

I don't remember noticing any. You found anything in my play?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

i mean your fake-claim gambit was good, too bad it didnt work because the scum team was awful. i dont remember ever thinking "what a moron, this guy will make an easy mark" or anything, but i do think you were a bit lurky and town would have benefited from hearing your thoughts more.

After thinking about it, I figured my basic disagreement with this statement is that town would have benefited from hearing my thoughts more.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Regression to the mean shall save him from rolling scum too often.