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[Firebringer]

@logical i wont pick on iamusername. his mother picked an awful name for him and i don't wish to bully people for their parents poor decisions.

[Clair]

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

[Clair]

You target someone and next day wait for claims to see who received your visit. If someone claims unprompted that you visited them, they are town. If someone does not claim that you checked them, they are scum. This is a free check. Scum have to kill you to stop it. The only ways to stop it are if scum have a role that can block you, or a tracker who could tell them if you happen to visit one of them. We would know we were in that situation because... they would have to keep you alive.

In that situation, they would have to kill Blair as the other clear, which would still give us a clear tomorrow.

I wonder why you are so interested in this?

VOTE: Clair

Because I like setup spec.

[Clair]

VOTE: Clair

You must look into the animals eyes.
You must intimidate the animal.
The animal has you pinned and another animal intervenes.
Now I shall Pressure a stare down on Clair to see their next move.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You target someone and next day wait for claims to see who received your visit. If someone claims unprompted that you visited them, they are town. If someone does not claim that you checked them, they are scum. This is a free check. Scum have to kill you to stop it. The only ways to stop it are if scum have a role that can block you, or a tracker who could tell them if you happen to visit one of them. We would know we were in that situation because... they would have to keep you alive.

In that situation, they would have to kill Blair as the other clear, which would still give us a clear tomorrow.

I wonder why you are so interested in this?

VOTE: Clair

Because I like setup spec.

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

Let's put it this way,

	Implication
If I get nightkilled	Nothing can be concluded from it, since scum may have the necessary roles to make me useless, but decided to kill me anyway.
If I don't get nightkilled	Scum must have had some way to stop me.

Ok. I get it now.

Thank you, Clair. You clearly understand the game better than I do, I concede to your superior senses and will change my opinion to match yours.

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: Gobble

[Fredrick A Campbell]

UNVOTE:

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Zlair

[votato]

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Again, no. You don't know whether your action succeeds

[votato]

what's the deal with those naked votes? My phone wants to autocorrect votes to boys there... interesting, phone

[Fredrick A Campbell]

what's the deal with those naked votes? My phone wants to autocorrect votes to boys there... interesting, phone

Just placing it where scum might be.

[votato]

Mighnt scum be anywhere?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Mighnt scum be anywhere?

Exactly.

[iamausername]

i mean, that last vote from logical seals the deal. he is blatantly just playing for his own survival here. he's not going to bother catching up on 90+ pages, and honestly i think it would be mean to ask him to when we're probably going to lynch him anyway. don't see a use to drawing this out any further.

VOTE: Logicalicaltist

[votato]

So you're taking us back to rvs

[votato]

@campbell

[Fredrick A Campbell]

The reason it's a terrible lynch is that Stanley has nothing particularly scummy about him and will give no good info on a flip. A straight wagon from nothing to lynch is terrible to analyze in later phases.

Maybe to the untrained, virgin eyes of an alien.

To a scumhunting master, all the pieces are in place.

Stanley flips scum, then FL flips scum. Last one is iamuser/Fred most likely.

If they keep me alive and block me, wouldn't I, in effect, get a false positive that my target is scum? Meanwhile, if they track me instead, I would get a false positive that my target is town. This is a very unreliable check so I am useless if they do keep me alive.

Yes, exactly. Scum have to kill you because you can generate a clear. If they have some other method of stopping you, we will know because they won't kill you. Hence, if you are alive tomorrow, we don't have to worry about a false clear, because we'd know that scum had blocked you or something.

Let's put it this way,

	Implication
If I get nightkilled	Nothing can be concluded from it, since scum may have the necessary roles to make me useless, but decided to kill me anyway.
If I don't get nightkilled	Scum must have had some way to stop me.

Ok. I get it now.

Thank you, Clair. You clearly understand the game better than I do, I concede to your superior senses and will change my opinion to match yours.

I thought about this again and look at what happens if I get nightkilled. Nothing can be concluded from it. What happens if I don't get nightkilled. Something can be concluded from it. Why wouldn't scum just nightkill me tonight then?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Only post 2355 was meant to be quoted.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So you're taking us back to rvs

I don't think I brought us back to RVS. I think that we have very little to go on and are, in effect, in a RVS where one mislynch is going to bring us to LyLo regardless of what I do.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

WARNING: LOGICALICALIST IS AT L-1

[Clair]

I'm ready to hammer but will wait for the clears. I would like to hear Logicalicalist at least post some thoughts, though I don't want to make him read the whole game when he's about to be lynched. I would also appreciate some final thoughts from others before hammer. (I know this will sound scummy, but I wonder why players have gone quiet here. Avoiding associations?)

[votato]

it would be nice to hear something from logical before hammering... i dunno, saying dont bother catching up we're just gonna kill you is kinda meh. dont we owe it to ourselves to let the slot catch up?

[Blair]

Maybe we should stop posturing about it and just...

@Logicalicaltist

There is a very real risk you will be lynched today. We would like to get your input on the game state first, and as many reads on as many living players as you have. We don't want to tell you to read 90 pages just to humor us, though. If you are planning on/already working on catching up, please let us know. If you are not planning to do so, please give us your input based on what you have read. Thank you.

[votato]

ah yeah, because unless someone asked me a direct question id also just ignore a game that id subbed into.

what you did is fine but dont act so superior for asking explicitly what the rest of us had asked about implicitly.