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[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm playing devil's advocate to work out whether you actually think this is a valid useful thing to do as town. I don't think I'm actually going to divine his alignment out of his meme demeanor but he pocketed me irl by claiming vegetarian

I love my meat.
I ate duck in a Chinese restaurant once, damn it was good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

how do you guys turn simple reads and ideas into long sentences and paragraphs is crazy

^

[NorwegianboyEE]

i've subbed "bitch" out for "binch" when i'm using it cutely

i still think i'm quite an aggressive person though, so it's pretty hard to read my posts warmly

you’re literally a duck. nothing you do can be remotely construed as aggressive

You’ve never had a Duck aggressively try to take a bite off your leg when you’re feeding them breadcrumbs? Or witnessed the brutal wars when they fight over it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So InnocentVillager posted like reads on page two in a game i played with him last time, and got butthurt when i called his reads shit and proceeded to tunnel me for the rest of day 1.
Here he’s voting me immediately for a meme reason which kinda feels like scum: "hey, i’m acting normal! Voting someone i’ve played with before! ;P" which is kind of a scum entrance tbh.
FOS on IV for now. He’s also playing kinda memey. Sausage the "brilliant player" you’ve got an keen eye son.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do also wanna mention that I've got my lockread on SS but I'm kind of wondering if I shouldn't out it so as to make myself less of a target

^Target im boys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

Why do you have gratuitous Japanese in your signature?

[NorwegianboyEE]

where’s Norway, I want him to come post

You wrote this post at 04:00 AM.
I was busy killing ducks in my dreams.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

Why do you have gratuitous Japanese in your signature?

Ur gonna be stuck with me.
Get used to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just hope people understand that if the posting peak hours are always going to be around the same time, I'm always going to be asleep then.
Meaning I'll continuously be on the backfoot, catching up, if this is how it's gonna be.

I meant to quote this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know much about IV but this feels pretty project-y. It could just be how he decided to open the game this time?

It might just be how i open up games as scum, yeah.
I’m annoyed at him though, i was going to claim scum this time. :c

[NorwegianboyEE]

idk if I’ve seen enough from norwegian to have an opinion yet but also not very impressed

I’m not gonna do anything useful for the first couple hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a confession to make, i’ve never liked football.
Sry Billy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

shrug. jury’s still out then

An wise person once said:
"Leave Norwee alive, for either he towntells or reveals all his teammates once he’s obvscummed enough"

[NorwegianboyEE]

“silly” is fine. saying I must either be lying or too stupid to travel is personal.

Well, guess my interpretation on "personal" differs here.
Just know that I never want to insult or attack people in a game.
Not my style at all.

Quiet you fricking frick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Finnish ppl will always hate you and pretend to not speak Swedish, until you tell them you’re not Swedish but actually Norwegian. They’ll start speaking Swedish and be friendly in no time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like that post.
I think Una is town.
Let’s make a Nordic alliance to start the game off brother.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This feels like TvT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

It’s because of the temper on both sides.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was arguing and being pissed off at Una in another game and we were both town. Granted, Una might still be scum since i think they act like this all the time. But i think it’s town indicative for Lillith.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I disagree with you heavily Worst. Emotions can be read as AI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

It’s because of the temper on both sides.

Have you never seen scum feel like they're being argued with in bad faith & get fired up? That was like. a classic impasse argument over a misunderstanding. it would blow my mind if it wasn't within both of their scumranges to get annoyed at how that shook down.

Scum!them would bother with escalating an minor issue... why exactly? This is a completely pointless argument for scum to get caught up in, which shows it to be more indicative of a town mindset on both sides.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum and town would be irritated at getting scumread wrongly.
Mostly town would be irritated at feeling belittled/misrepresented.

Do you see where i’m going with this Worst?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m studying social science, trust me on this brah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You used to be so different. I still remember that Open where you got double guilty/innoed by two scum fakeclaiming cop.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re so simple-minded to think that because i use different criteria to read players that’s AI.
Just accept that i think differently from the eay you do and move on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Will you rage at me if i say this exchange felt TvT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The Worst is called on to Discord but all he can think about is me.
How romantic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV, where’s your page 1 solve?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need more live and uncensored interractions to get my feet properly planted in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No its actually not a missing townread, its a missing scumread.
On Nep

What about zombie? Last i checked that’s who you’re voting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When will people learn that your choices are limited to joining the collective hive mind or being terminated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Zombie
Individuality is a disease, join the beautiful collective.
Join us...
Join us...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Foureye’s avi looks trustworthy, i don’t think he’s trying to fool or double-cross me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saudade avi looks like he’s selling me snake oil, but i’ll put aside any suspicions and just go with my gut and say he’s town.
Would vote IV. Not sure i have that much of a scumread on anyone else yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My mom has the mentality of a 14 year old so i don’t think she’d care Sausage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven’t really thought about them yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wont be here much today but do your best to get to page 40 before tomorrow im sure something good will happen

What is that supposed to mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You don’t like fast paced games?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No i like them
More than slow games
Wbu

Yeah i enjoy them.
What are your current reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

El is made up or someone else idk.
Not from this playerlist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh when i read a quote where someone expects me to do heavy lifting i usually just block it out of my mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wonder what anime avatar would suit you best Saudade.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nep, what’s your thoughts on InnocentVillager?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m guessing it’s a lot of meta reads on me, interested in why Billy thinks my post was town indicative tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

at least one scum in {Nep, Zombie, Saudade, Norway} probably two maybe all 3 tbh

Was this a serious post?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, it can’t be sirius.

Where is that guy btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

What strategic reasons are you talking about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just use Norwee as my nickname, that’s what everyone uses.
It’ll keep things simple for the new dudes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

What strategic reasons are you talking about?

ehh mostly that you were null and I told myself before the game I was going to deathtunnel someone arbitrarily and pray they flip scum

I kind of talked about it D2 and postgame

whatever don’t think it’s that important

What the fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the only world that comes from scum is when one of their partners were in the 1v1.

Have you heard of the TMI tell? It's actually one of the more reliable global tells, if hard to apply.

Yeah, if scum!me was in that situation i'd probably just cheer on from the sidelines tbh. I'm not the type to not take advantage of brooding between townies.
But sure, i get you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think it's nearly as universal as you think it is that any scum will immediately claim any fight between town is TvT, but eh. Don't know if this is what i wanna spend my free time arguing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whenever i look at LavarManos's avi i keep thinking of this guy called Creature.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Let’s go here

Why are you going here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Let’s go here

Why are you going here?

Why are you defending me?

I'm not defending you...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Billy, i haven't stated a TR on you. And i didn't do anything other than ask if IV had any reason for changing his vote to you.

Why is that me defending you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That was such a weird comment to make that i wanna go here for now.
VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sirius, are you always this disappointing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope you can at least make a single constructive or AI post Sirius. Do you have any reads or thoughts at all?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only person here who I actually have played with before is IV. They should be good.

IV just told me he willingly lynched a neutral slot in a previous game.
He doesn’t seem that good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lilith and Umbreon (Una) seems V/V atm?

What’s that mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everytime i read another cringy argument from now on i’ll be stating i read it as Virgin vs Virgin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow Lillith, you’re making me feel like a noob with your pro questioning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you are surface town but I need to go and like read your posts/trajectory once the game is a bit more mature

DW, i’ll make sure this doesn’t happen as long as i live.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you are surface town but I need to go and like read your posts/trajectory once the game is a bit more mature

DW, i’ll make sure this doesn’t happen as long as i live.

what is that supposed to mean?!

That having me in the game guarantees it doesn’t stay serious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Goodmorning to everyone in thread except tw
Norwee why is billy thinking you were defending him scummy to you

It reads like he tried to make a lazy shade and it was so unnatural and awkward i could see dcum doing something like that. And also i don’t really TR them so a wagon there is good imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

God, you’re just the worst.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wasn’t being sarcastic earlier btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

90% of the players here cant play mafia and just come to socialise under a guise of a game

Are you calling me out?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee what do you think about the worst

Town i guess. Feeling lukewarm about their recent posting tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

sorry I don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad and useless in a plist :/ I think you guys are too good for me or I’m just terrible

maybe I should stick to newbie games

Youre not useless
Calling a player you dont know how to read a clown or unreadable is a failing on them imo

Why do you have to make posts that make me:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whats feeling lukewarm mean? Sorry first time i see this term

Means i don’t really feel the town energy from their latest posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

i mean i think im just one of the people who likes to play but isn't very good at it

shitposting is fun and all especially at the beginning but once you guys started blasting off into all these crazy nuanced thought psychology battles with each other i got pretty lost and only had weak gut opinions, none of which really leaned scum

like lilith and worsty on recent posting would just be obvious townreads for me normally? but like I'm not even really sure here because idk if this just good scum masquerading

i know this sounds dumb and maybe melodramatic because that's literally what this game is about but idk if i describe it better

really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

but yeah ill just give it my best shot i guess. will try to pore over this on monday or tues when i have a bigger block of time

pedit: lilith I answered this twice already, i literally just voted him for fun and I didn't townread him. i don't know how i feel about him now, ill have to take a deeper look

Hey, i like this post. Maybe ur alright.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whats feeling lukewarm mean? Sorry first time i see this term

Means i don’t really feel the town energy from their latest posts.

I am so excited to be in a timeline where Nor makes this post

Wut?

[NorwegianboyEE]

demoting norwee from town to null

Is this cus you think i scumread Ducky.
Because i don’t scumread Ducky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess Worst is town. They’re posting a lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hardest townread. Don't think there would be much disagreement here, so yeah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look at that. Sausage is going to be the first kill tonight.
Congratulations!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who do y’all actually want to lynch today as the #1 choice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again I guess you can’t really see it but I’m literally just typing as fast as I can and hitting submit. scum!me definitely takes a few minutes to figure shit out

This is the kind of argument that’s really flawed, but i don’t think scum would argue it.
So uh, townpoints i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LavarManos, this might sound weird. But i TR you because you scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What brings down scum in one game could just as easily be something town does in another game tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess Worst is town. They’re posting a lot.

This is not a good way to read the foul. He played a newbie scumgame with me and he hyperposted and I think I only caught him when he claimed a pr and I was a mason.

Do you disagree with other people's TR's of Worst?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, Kraeg in this game is another good example when people townread him as a result of your towntell and he ended up flipping scum.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80761

God why'd you have to link one of my first newbie games, that's so embarrassing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was a newb so basically a newbie game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Remember, i'm all that matters. Everyone else are merely apparitions to entertain me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sausage got mad☆

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna give Saudaddy some support.
He's a brilliant player.

VOTE: Nepenthes

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where is Una gosh darnit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zombies main is so obviousss.
But won’t spoil.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that... Oh my goodness! It's VOTE: something_smart! But they don't look themselves. They've got this pale skin and are moving jerkily like they're made of wood. And there's a strange growth coming from their head!

What does your read on S_S entail precisely?

[NorwegianboyEE]

billy’s wagon was almost entirely a silent one, I feel that it would have gotten a lot more traction (with more vocal/fleshed out scumreads) if he were town, I was the only one even trying to convince people to join it. I don’t see good reason to think he’s town.

Idk if you're right or completely wrong.
Interesting theory tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

OMG, are you sirius??!
That’s deplorable!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think they said my vote on Nep is unlikely to be SvS if they flip scum.
Not sure tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m gonna pull a Saudade and say that my read on Foreyes has gone from probably town to null cus i don’t remember why i TR them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The worst / Sausage obvtown.
Innocent Villager / Lilith / Lavarmanos / Zombie apocalypse town
Foureyed / Una null
Billy / Nepenthes / S_S PoE
Sirius trash

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwees vote looks like the scum one though

Yeah i sheeped the brilliant player, whatchu gon’ do about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why is duck obvtown?

When someone is obvtown it doesn’t need to be explained.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d vote S_S / Nep / Billy as of right now.
But not Una / Four

That’s my definition of PoE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok lynch pool.
You win this semantics round.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wanna say something that matters now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wrote my post and thought the very same as Lillith was writing it.
Was this your great gotcha moment Nep?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d vote S_S / Nep / Billy as of right now.

Why?

Because those are my reads.
I TR you guys the least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

billy’s wagon was almost entirely a silent one, I feel that it would have gotten a lot more traction (with more vocal/fleshed out scumreads) if he were town, I was the only one even trying to convince people to join it. I don’t see good reason to think he’s town.

I dont understand this like at all. You think the wagons on town are better supported than the wagons on scum?

Whenever I've been caught as scum, people had reasons. I've also probably not roled scum as much as my average on site would be.

I think if scum saw town pushing a wagon on town, they would hop on that wagon (probably in an opportunistic way) and try to push it through, which hasn’t happened

What about foureyed who hopped on but then when the momentum died hopped off?

Like you think scum opportunistically hop on then park or do they do what foureyed did?

ftr I have like a ~big brain guess~ about the gamestate that makes most if not all of four's play makes sense.

I feel like you're looking at this from the complete opposite perspective of me, like I'm thinking, "how would scum play around a town on town wagon vs a town on scum wagon?" and then comparing it to what happened. And you're looking at each individual's vote and working in the opposite direction, to like fit a narrative with four's play. I'm not sure if that's AI or I'm just being confbiased.

This is weird logic i don’t get, but it shows an independent mindset made without an visible agenda.
So very ++town post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m starting to feel that townhunting is much easier than scum hunting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is weird logic i don’t get, but it shows an independent mindset made without an visible agenda.
So very ++town post.

This is meaningless its so vague
Why dont you try to understand the logic of the post

Because that’s not how i want to play.
The content isn’t always what matters, but the timing and amount of effort put in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why am i being pushed now? Am i on the right track?
Woo, let’s eliminate Nep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The Worst doesn’t think i’m town anymore.
Hurts me more than being scumread by the whole game tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please don't take this the wrong way Saudade, but are you "trying more" in this game than usual?
I mean this in a very good way - not trying to bash any of your previous games, but actually really thinking that your posting so far in this game has been coherent and on point.
I really feel like townreading your effort, but I'm paranoid as all hell about this being scum!Saudades way of going deep into the game.

Good point, i was thinking the same.
Fact that we shared this thought makes me believe we’re on the same side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we all bully Sirius so he either feels pressured to start playing the game like superchad or runs off and let’s someone more competent take over the slot?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe he only understands Japanese.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if siriuses latest 2 one liner posts count as a prod dodge im replacing out

I despise you, sir.

おい、きさま。このゲームをプレイして！何をしってんの？

Spoiler:

Translation so i don’t break the rules:
Hey, bastard. Play this game! What are you doing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t u have questions for me Lillith, u always ask everyone questions but i feel kinda left out

[NorwegianboyEE]

My scumgame is just that good.
Nothing can be questioned.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops, pretend u didn’t hear that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ducky’s activity levels and content just scream town to me tbh. I don’t really have more to say.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes scum is able to fake that kind of content if they’re really good, but i don’t see the need in being paranoid about that here on day 1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Innocentvillager
Saudade/Nepenthes
Unabombah
Something smart, the worst, Lilith
Zombie/Four
Billy
Norwee

Why do you SR me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need to know if it’s my playstyle that’s pinging you or something in particular.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How does this distinction help you

In a way you can keep pondering about till i get an answer.

Btw Nep, why was my vote on the BP wagon "the worst one" like you said earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

what content???

I’m too lazy to go through and point out exactly what.
I’m aware this will make me sound scummy and i don’t care.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna be IC this game so i can just push my reads as straight facts without having to prove nothing. That would be chill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what content???

I’m too lazy to go through and point out exactly what.
I’m aware this will make me sound scummy and i don’t care.

if you do not improve your gameplay in the next few days im hanging you

You should fade nor after me if you manage it

This post is scummish imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what reads would you push

My townreads. Most confident in them RN.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what reads would you push

My townreads. Most confident in them RN.

Why would you need to push your townreads, they are not being wagoned???
??
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Go home, ur drunk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sausage, stop wasting time by joking around.
We’re trying to be serious here >:(

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee is friendly and charming but i dont consider either thing to be town indicative

That's exactly what scum said about me once.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But thats not really why hes scum the biggest indicator are his voting patterns theyve all been on safe targets (zombie billy and me) but wrt billy he stopped carring abt the slot at all besides answering my questions
The vote on me he hides behind saudade but then starts commenting on my posts being scummy, notably only posts after he made the vote and none before which indicates a lack of solving

Yeah, safe targets. Give me a break.
I still care about Billy but i find you marginally scummier right now, hence my open sheep of Saudade. I haven't exactly hidden behind it. I've made it quite clear i openly sheeped him. If you find that scummy, cool. But don't misrep by putting it like i'm "hiding". That's agenda-y.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: norwegian

You've made so many comments, solving, asking questions, but your vote on me is completely content-less. U make me sad with this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Sirius

I tend to agree with Unah on this issue. I don't think we will ever get content from the slot, so, town or scum, it is a net town benefit to eliminate.

That last part I bolded...DANGEROUS. I know that feeling, but I do not want you to stay there if you're town.
I already have some murky thoughts about how this game might pan out..

never do

VOTE: Sirius
#siriusvote
#thirdonthewagon
yeeet

This is a dumb wagon imo. I've seen a couple slots like this, and they are almost always town. Active lurking is a really risky strategy, so i'm quite worried he might just be an awful newb. And having that as a D1 lynch and it flipping town is... not satisfactory to say the least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believe my first experience with town!Norweg was a lot more hostile actually..

You did a fine job back then soldier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

duck i’m sad you didn’t tell me if you wanted to hear my secret

oops
I didn't see the question
yes please I love secrets

norweej is the second person I think is buddying me

Why would i buddy you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rereading the thread earlier this morning, Norweej does seem as if he could be trying to do more buddying than anything else. Perhaps on multiple people.

So Foureyed and Nep are probably scum together based on what i'm seeing here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norweej’s posts about me feel like a little bit too denigrating, like most of his reasons for townreading me have amounted to “this is too stupid of a reason for her to be presenting at as scum.” Which I feel like is supposed to simultaneously make me pleased he’s townreading me while also making me feel like I should want to try to win his respect so he stops saying that kind of thing

Lmao.
This is why your mindset is cute.
Naw, i'm just casually seeing your town thought process.
You're too edgy and paranoid to be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townblock, of course, has to change as time goes on in the event I am wrong on any reads, I might be a true progressive, but I'm not perfect.

Right now, though, no one I have brought into the townblock has done anything to make me question it too much.

I have no objections to your townreads
Do you have an opinion on me and norwee

As stated earlier, Norwee seems to be doing more of buddying than any actual work here. I'm hesitant on him.

I'm mostly null on you. You haven't done anything I see as objectively townie or scummy to my recollection, so, I'm still considering this one. I haven't seen anything from my townreads to particularly sway me to you being scum, however, I would not fight for you to not be eliminated if it came down to that or no elimination.

Awkward read on scum buddy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dont think norwee is actually trying to manipulate that way becaude negging is pretty fucked up
I think the insulting your posts while TRing them is a symptom of norwee reading them but knowing that theyre solving and that theyre acceptable to tr without caring too much about unraveling the confent bc he doesnt need to worry about reading you or your arguments

Nice BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Its easier to dismiss them as weird but town and call visible effort town than meaningfully engage

It's easier for you to misdirect than actually town it up yourself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yeah I'm pretty happy with my vote

You shouldn't be.
Why do you think Nep is townier than me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a dumb wagon imo. I've seen a couple slots like this, and they are almost always town.

They're more likely town than random??

That's hard to swallow.

Scum usually puts in at least a miniscule amount of effort not to be scumread.
Sirius is literally doing nothing to make himself look better.
Hard pill to swallow but it's the truth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you lurk as scum you'd disappoint your small amount of teammates and screw them over,
If you lurk as town you'd mostly disappoint yourself and the game moves on without you.
It stands to reason that scum has more to lose by playing that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee is friendly and charming but i dont consider either thing to be town indicative

That's exactly what scum said about me once.

Found it:
Newbie 1981 Turtle:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81899

@Naerys please reconsider your read on Norway I know he is charming but he's also probably maf.

If this is a new type of way to find scum exclusive for me then i'm going to become excited.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zombie Apocalypse, your gimmick is slipping. I can see your main through the cracks in the rim. You need to work harder.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Finding out Zombie Apocalypse's main actually kills my read on their slot a bit. I'm not sure what to think about them now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if you can catch my thought without being overtly provocative and verbose about it

No, do it.
It’s fun to provocate Una.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Policy lynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm serious. He's terrible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your misguided love is going to be the ruin of us.

[NorwegianboyEE]

not_mafia, Mafia, has been cited for beinng alive

Do you literally not care that you're going to become the lynch today because you haven't done anything useful?

[NorwegianboyEE]

not_mafia, Mafia, has been cited for beinng alive

Do you literally not care that you're going to become the lynch today because you haven't done anything useful?

I have my own life, I’m busy processing some applications somewhere

Then replace out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You have the time to make some irrelevant remarks, and notice things about the game, but not the ability to state a single read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you can respond to questions you can make a vote or say who you think is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We should vote Nep if we want a serious lynch that'll flip scum imo.
But i'm aware i'm lacking clout so we'll probably end up lynching Sirius for his shit play and he'll flip town.
Sad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm still waiting for IV to come

Nobody cares.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Nepenthes

[NorwegianboyEE]

You would rather policy elim notmafia over sirius?

No, i'd rather we vote Nepenthes over both of them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lillith, you're so hasty with your votes and changing your mind over the most minuscule thing. You should try to calm down.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You were already voting me though, so i guess that wasn't really a big deal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lillith, you're so hasty with your votes and changing your mind over the most minuscule thing. You should try to calm down.

what's wrong with that?
That's a towntell

It’s town but also a bit hard to work with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but you haven’t even seen notmafia in the game yet and you’re more than happy to policy elim him?

If you’d just seen what i have.

[NorwegianboyEE]

no he’s doing that thing again where he patronizes me

Look. Why does it bother you so much? I’m not even doing anything on purpose in regards to you. All i’m doing is stating why i find you town, if you find the reasoning to be patronizing then i’m sorry. That’s just how i read players like you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you scumreading nepenthes again?

His stance on me is scummy. And i feel gut scum pings.
If he posts more then i’ll see if i find anything else about him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By the way, a game just completed where Sirius did this day 1 and was scum.

Can you link the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s town but also a bit hard to work with.

I want to say that being patronizing probably makes you more difficult to work with than flipping your vote a few times

I haven’t even been particurarily patronizing this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven’t started doing it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Newbie 2022.
I was amazed to see that Sirius actually posted reads in that game and was at least somewhat concerned with looking good. Which basically is a world of difference from what he’s done here so far.
So why did you say: "he’s basically done the same thing as here?" @Foureyes?
Game —> viewtopic.php?p=12017848&user_select%5B ... #p12017848

[NorwegianboyEE]

It really wasn’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does it at all matter in regards to my allignment? I think Una already clarified that i can be quite hostile and patronizing as town. So i don’t see how this helps you to read me unless you’re going to conclude whether my tone makes it either +town or +scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m very fun to people i have a mutual connection and positive read with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m glad you see the same.
I have a more positive town impression on S_S for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dude, i was just about to vote Foureyes and justify myself. Now ur making it look like i’m sheeping.
Pooky you big meanie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you make detective RP again or is that exclusively a scum!Pooky thing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But probtown if norwees trying for cred on calling him town

Holy shit this slot is SCUM.
Calling it now. Team is Nep / Foureyes and one more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re so predictable.
The scum mindset here is to find a reasoning for misrepping how i came to correctly identify a likely town player and suggest voting elsewhere.
The best way is to claim that i am trying to go for towncred when the wagon goes through. (Ignoring the fact that i placed quite an obvious alternative target that is likely to flip scum. That is=you)

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Nepenthes
Main scumreads right now are Nep and Foureyed.
S_S moves up my TR’s.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nep has been doing nothing but trying to find excuses to vote me and manipulate all game.
Take a look at post 1617, and 1790. They are the most egregious examples.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also 1537

[NorwegianboyEE]

You had him at the bottom of your list as trash, then townread him based on his continuing to do nothing, and its only now that you bring the newbie into it
Its not a real read

ANOTHER attempt at misrepping me.
Since when did trash become a bearing of allignment? It was never a statement about him being either town/scum. That’s something you made up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i did literally state my theory of why Sirius is likely town earlier in post 1640.
But you conveniently left that out of your narrative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He’s not listed as PoE. Meaning i’d not vote him. Anyone should figure out what that means.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i’ve never voted Sirius.
Isn’t that strange for someone you apparently believe put him on the "bottom" of their reads list?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Una is town for keeping to their principles.
Meanwhile scum!Nep got scared and ran off the Sirius wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least S_S was more natural about it. And agreeing Sirius seemed town. They didn’t immediately go for an scapegoat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nep was never even on the Sirius wagon.

But he wasn't doing anything to stop it. So tacit approval.

Agree keeping Sirius around if he doesnt want to play will hurt more than help but eh

I thought when they voted me for the 2nd time that they actually moved away from the Sirius wagon, my bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Una using an elim on deadweight makes sense if we do not have better leads - I think this is not the case however?

Agreed.
I strongly oppose an Sirius lynch today, and believe we can do so much better than that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're making valid points Una, but i've got an fundamental disagreement that a lynch on: "inactive and sorta unreadable player" is a better lynch than: "objectively scummy player".
Information gained from a townflip on Sirius is quite low, and correspondingly. So is a scumflip. Associations gained would be pretty difficult to grasp either way.
However, information on a divisive player that's made a lot of content can make it easier to read into whether everyone's reads are wrong or more or less correct. Whether they flip town or scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The better flip on D1 would be the one that best helps us in the game moving forward imo.
So "making a flip and playing for real on D2" is going to give us another day with only a low-info lynch and a nightkill to speculate on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What happens if we lynch Nep D1 and they flip town?

Then we can look at who voted Nep, who didn’t. What was their motivation? There’s a lot to go on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What happens if we push them to L-1 and they claim a PR?

That goes for everyone...
I mean, you can argue Sirius wouldn’t be a good PR anyway. But it doesn’t change the fact that a flip on Sirius isn’t as worthwhile because it gives no real info and scum can join the wagon easily without justifying their vote much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess it's better we stop talking about this then.
You're clearly not going to agree with me, and I do not think you are being realistic with your expectations.

Alright then.
But i stand behind what i’ve said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You think i’m his scum partner.
I would buss the hell out of him if i was FYI. And you know it, you literally stated you would yourself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I promise i won’t ask for any towncred if he flips town.
Only that Nep is lynched next plzzz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norweej

Why the j

[NorwegianboyEE]

Agreed with post from Pooky and i would be willing to vote Foureyes instead of Nep.
Before that though, @Pooky, do you have more scumreads than just Foureyes?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lolhammers are a thing btw.
And there's a memey player in this game that hasn't checked in yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fine. VOTE: norwegian

Thanks. I feel more comfortable with the wagon on E-2.
There's more discussion to be had, i don't want the day ending early because of apathy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: TheFourEyedDude

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am happy to read anything that you think is of interest but 70 pages is a bit much

I won't fault you on that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also check these posts out Pooky:
1586
1634
More examples of Foureyes's scumminess.