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[lilith2013]

FIRST!!!!

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

[lilith2013]

We're not two pages in and lilith is already pocketing me :3

is it working?

VOTE: lilith

VOTE: lilith

right, my vote is now ~serious~

VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

Why would I throw my weight in with RVS votes

SS was/is objectively scummiest

What about him is objectively scummy?

[lilith2013]

must... resist... “the worst” puns...

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This is quite a good vote btw
but it's like
optically good in a way I don't want to call alignment indicative yet

okay wtf does that mean

[lilith2013]

is it working?

Uh, maybe a bit?

yay my plan is working

I mean... what?

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This is quite a good vote btw
but it's like
optically good in a way I don't want to call alignment indicative yet

okay wtf does that mean

it's a good vote but it looks good and I think you know it looks good so I'm not gonna read into it for your alignment

that.... is that something you think I’m thinking about as scum?

How does it look good?

[lilith2013]

your other posts are basically "wooahh look at me I'm sausage I'm funny"

where did he ever embrace the sausage name?
lilith2013 seems to try-harding. I will keep my eye on her too.

oh no! you found me out, I’m a huge fucking tryhard!!!! whatever shall I do?!?!

that.... is that something you think I’m thinking about as scum?

I actually feel like you would rather make a vote that looks bad as scum

on an unrelated note, that vote looks bad.

My vote?

Can you explain the first part also?

that.... is that something you think I’m thinking about as scum?

How does it look good?

Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing
they are getting full duck pressure as soon as I'm done with sausage
if nobody else saw it in lavar I might be projecting but I thought it was pretty obvious

Okay this is like along the lines of what I was feeling but not in so many words because I didn’t have any words to articulate it

[lilith2013]

is it working?

Uh, maybe a bit?

yay my plan is working

I mean... what?

stop flirting unless you live within a drive reach of each other

are you jealous? I’ll let you call me Daddy if you want!

[lilith2013]

damn okay

[lilith2013]

Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing

I voted Something_Smart and lilith2013 as joke. I did not like how innocentvillager kept on joking even when pressured by Saudade, so I decided to vote him.

Please explain how these are joke votes:
- quoting someone’s serious vote on SS and then also voting SS - seems pretty serious to me
- saying that I’m tryharding so you’re going to keep an eye on me, after you switch your vote to me

Neither of those look remotely like a joke vote to me

[lilith2013]

My vote?

Yes, your vote, you voted the LHF. I'm guessing that LM is new, but even if they aren't, they've been overtly sheepy which means they're likely gonna get pressure at some point. You don't really need to add to it.

Can you explain the first part also?

You like to WIFOM as scum. It seems like something you would try, more so than trying to look good by voting on popular targets anyway.

I didn’t like the wagon forming on you, lavar happened to be the most recent person on the wagon. I guess in retrospect he’s pretty LHF-y but I wasn’t really considering that

I wasn’t even aware WIFOMing was a thing I did

[lilith2013]

I'm still pretty excited to hear from you re. SS when you have a minute pls

Dont get your hopes up but hes caught scum
No RVS on page 1
Says lol to my very real 100% genuine scumread
Agenda posting

none of these are how you catch scum!ss

[lilith2013]

Liliths also scummy

please do tell, o master of scumhunting

[lilith2013]

I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

???? if you say.... it’s serious..... we’re gonna take that at face value........ in this game..... ?????

[lilith2013]

Ah fuck I missed my stop nooooooo

[lilith2013]

none of these are how you catch scum!ss

You catch scum-S_S because he sounds more wooden than a bedpost

won’t argue with that one

[lilith2013]

Ah fuck I missed my stop nooooooo

hahahahahahaha

excuse me!!!!! why do you LAUGH at my MISFORTUNE

[lilith2013]

Ah fuck I missed my stop nooooooo

hahahahahahaha

excuse me!!!!! why do you LAUGH at my MISFORTUNE

congrats I townread u now

bitch you were gonna end up townreading me one way or the other

[lilith2013]

****please note that when I call people “bitch” it’s in a cute and affectionate way****

[lilith2013]

[lilith2013]

who are the scumreads?

[lilith2013]

I wasn’t even aware WIFOMing was a thing I did

You literally did it in, like, your first post of your first scumgame against me.

Oh..... I see......

Do you think I’m doing that now?

[lilith2013]

i've subbed "bitch" out for "binch" when i'm using it cutely

i still think i'm quite an aggressive person though, so it's pretty hard to read my posts warmly

you’re literally a duck. nothing you do can be remotely construed as aggressive

[lilith2013]

VOTE: nepenthes

[lilith2013]

update: there was nowhere for me to transfer to the train going the other way so I rode the train to the last stop and now I’m going all the way back rip

[lilith2013]

Liliths also scummy

please do tell, o master of scumhunting

[lilith2013]

uh..... not on this end? It’s all outdoors/upstairs/outstairs?

[lilith2013]

shhh don’t tell the admins

[lilith2013]

1) how do you know that duck knew you weren’t being serious
2) it’s really fucking annoying when you throw out scumreads and don’t explain them

[lilith2013]

Oh my GOD i missed the fucking stop AGAIN

[lilith2013]

this is gonna be like a horror movie where I just keep riding the train back and forth and can’t get out of the fucking subway

[lilith2013]

unFORTUNATELY i am 100% for real and have literally missed my stop going the other way and now I am waiting for a 3rd train going in the original direction

[lilith2013]

Liliths also scummy

please do tell, o master of scumhunting

I cant tell if youre kidding or if i actually managed to tick you off with my ego persona an hour into the game

But i take it back i predict you will obvtown within the day

that’s right.

[lilith2013]

cause i’m literally queen of obvtown and can’t sustain a town trajectory as scum for more than like 6 irl days?

[lilith2013]

ehhh I get pretty angry as scum

[lilith2013]

also guess who finally made it off the goddamn train

[lilith2013]

also guess who finally made it off the goddamn train

and at the right stop? :O

yes!!!!!!

[lilith2013]

VOTE: lilith

VOTE: lilith

^this is what I meant. the vote on SS came immediately after someone else made a serious vote on SS. no context, just vote. seems pretty serious to me.

[lilith2013]

I don't think this is a particularly productive conversation. You're going to keep insisting those were joke votes, I'm going to keep saying they're not joke votes to me. I think they seem a little too "let me look like I'm doing something" to be joke votes.

[lilith2013]

What? You didn't even quote me voting him? I'm so confused.

i mixed up who you quoted. you quoted the vote on me when you voted me. the vote on SS was just a naked vote but came directly after someone else voting SS seriously.

[lilith2013]

I don't think I'm tunneling, I'm not even voting him right now

[lilith2013]

also since when is being a tryhard scummy? I'm literally just a tryhard

[lilith2013]

I do also wanna mention that I've got my lockread on SS but I'm kind of wondering if I shouldn't out it so as to make myself less of a target

[lilith2013]

I don't think this is a particularly productive conversation. You're going to keep insisting those were joke votes, I'm going to keep saying they're not joke votes to me. I think they seem a little too "let me look like I'm doing something" to be joke votes.

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This pings me. Like a) why is the wagon bad; b)is this even the only wagon at this point? And if it isn't, why are the other wagons good?

I enjoy the fact that you're questioning both the wagon itself and me saying the wagon is bad

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This pings me. Like a) why is the wagon bad; b)is this even the only wagon at this point? And if it isn't, why are the other wagons good?

a) naked votes
b) you have eyes and can read.... this is definitely the only wagon with naked votes only. this is the 2nd wagon in general (although at the time I thought "Norway" and "norwegianboyee" were not the same person and thought that SS was in fact the first wagon). also my saying a particular wagon is bad doesn't mean that a good wagon exists. false dichotomy.

[lilith2013]

VOTE: billy pilgrim

[lilith2013]

I'd say it's as serious as a vote could be on a slot that has yet to produce as much content due to being in catch-up mode.

[lilith2013]

- why pro mine but no pro-lavar's vote?
- why no join?

[lilith2013]

Ah fuck I missed my stop nooooooo

hahahahahahaha

excuse me!!!!! why do you LAUGH at my MISFORTUNE

congrats I townread u now

@saudad I'm actually kinda curious why this post in particular made you townread me

[lilith2013]

- why pro mine but no pro-lavar's vote?

off rvs & don't really follow why lavar voted there. they are probably not aligned i suppose.

eh I mean I kinda get it. Billy's catchup posts don't really seem to be aimed at helping him sort people, more looking like he's attempting to sort people. I'd say that's continued through his latter posts as well.

- why no join?

i'm comfortable fence-sitting on BP and camping Nep aorn but i admire the fact you /aren't/ fence sitting on BP

don't fencesit, it'll hurt your butt

[lilith2013]

Classic

can I give this post a thumbs down

[lilith2013]

mmmmmmmm

[lilith2013]

heh

[lilith2013]

i guess I get where you are coming from tho Re: SS

what’s this referring to?

[lilith2013]

Oh my GOD i missed the fucking stop AGAIN

No. Now I'm just calling bullshit.
Had I been around for the first one, I would've sympathized.
Now you're either lying or too dumb dumb to travel.

not lying, and there’s 0 need to call me dumb. can we not do this personal insult thing? kthx.

[lilith2013]

“silly” is fine. saying I must either be lying or too stupid to travel is personal.

[lilith2013]

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This pings me. Like a) why is the wagon bad; b)is this even the only wagon at this point? And if it isn't, why are the other wagons good?

I enjoy the fact that you're questioning both the wagon itself and me saying the wagon is bad

Its how I get into a game. You threw out a spicey take, so I engaged you on your take while I engaged with the wagon.

Okay, did you see my response?

[lilith2013]

Ah, yes. Now is the time of Euro nerds, Aussie nerds, and Americans with unhealthy sleep schedules.

good morn-night

[lilith2013]

off the top of my head I didn’t like billy’s catchup or unabomb’s

idk if I’ve seen enough from norwegian to have an opinion yet but also not very impressed

[lilith2013]

shrug. jury’s still out then

[lilith2013]

What motivation do I have to pretend I missed a train stop?

[lilith2013]

I don’t really believe that you think I’m lying. So really I think you’re just using that post to try to discredit me because other people are townreading me for it, and you’re calling me stupid to do it.

[lilith2013]

I don’t really see a reason to think that Saudade is attempting to discredit me there.

your smilies seem pretty passive aggressive in context and I don’t enjoy being told I’m overreacting to someone basically calling me stupid

I got “stuck” on it because the reason I kept missing my stop was this game

right, it’s NAI but you saying I’m lying about it means you think it’s AI, or else you’re insulting me. so please either explain why you think it’s AI (ie I’m lying) or, like, don’t insult me

I didn’t feel like your catchup posts attempted to sort anyone really and felt kind of for show

[lilith2013]

you absolutely misinterpreted my post.

how else am I supposed to interpret it other than you calling me a liar or stupid

[lilith2013]

You really think people are (or for that matter - SHOULD??) townread you for missing a trainstop while playing Mafia?
How? Why?

They literally said so. Do I think it’s a good reason? not necessarily.

[lilith2013]

I had absolutely no intentions to read anything AI into this whole stop-missing action of yours

Then why.... did you say.... I was lying?

[lilith2013]

shading me.

I’m literally trying to get you to explain why you make a post calling me either a liar or stupid

[lilith2013]

I was just poking fun

at a person you’ve never talked to, by calling them stupid? sounds like so much fun to me.

[lilith2013]

I don’t think it’s funny to call someone stupid, even as a joke. I don’t understand why you would make a post like that if you didn’t actually think I was lying or that I’m stupid (unless you’re scum. then I see where that post comes from). I have repeatedly asked you to explain why you thought I was lying, and if you didn’t think I was lying, then to not call me stupid. I don’t feel that I’ve been given a satisfactory answer for why someone who’s town would say these things.

And you’re now calling me scummy because I don’t think it’s funny that you called me either a liar or stupid and keep asking you to explain your post.

[lilith2013]

I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

^

[lilith2013]

Also perhaps if you’re actually interested in “reaching out,” you could, like, not imply I’m being a hypocrite and instead maybe apologize

[lilith2013]

Oh my GOD i missed the fucking stop AGAIN

No. Now I'm just calling bullshit.
Had I been around for the first one, I would've sympathized.
Now you're either lying or too dumb dumb to travel.

I really don’t think I’m overreacting. This doesn’t seem like it’s a joke to me at all. Snarky af, maybe. the smiley face is also “shady” and not “:lol:”

pedit: at this point I don’t care if you apologize. I do care that you’re dressing up your posts as if you’re being the bigger person so that you can remove yourself from what I think is an AI discussion, and I do care that I think you had ulterior motives in making this post calling me either a liar or stupid and I think those motivations are AI, and I do care that you still haven’t explained to me why you would call me a liar or stupid if you didn’t think those things were true.

[lilith2013]

I don’t understand why you would make a post like that if you didn’t actually think I was lying or that I’m stupid (unless you’re scum. then I see where that post comes from). I have repeatedly asked you to explain why you thought I was lying, and if you didn’t think I was lying, then to not call me stupid. I don’t feel that I’ve been given a satisfactory answer for why someone who’s town would say these things.

[lilith2013]

wow ok you did read what i wrote right

[lilith2013]

Not really in a mood to think about this game. Maybe later

[lilith2013]

I don’t understand why you would make a post like that if you didn’t actually think I was lying or that I’m stupid (unless you’re scum. then I see where that post comes from). I have repeatedly asked you to explain why you thought I was lying, and if you didn’t think I was lying, then to not call me stupid. I don’t feel that I’ve been given a satisfactory answer for why someone who’s town would say these things.

[lilith2013]

Ok. I find it very difficult to admit when I’m wrong.

Una, I apologize for mistaking your intentions and blowing things out of proportion. I’m willing to call a truce and wipe the slate clean and pretend that we have never posted about each other until now. If you can muster it, I would also like an apology for inadvertently hurting my feelings.

[lilith2013]

I don’t feel like you engaged with my response so I’m interested in hearing how my response helped you sort me or how you expected it to help you sort me when you asked about the wagon

[lilith2013]

I'm talking about you IV and zombie so far

why do you consider Nepenthes lynchbaity?

[lilith2013]

Oh boy. I am not going to call the argument between Lilith and unabomber ai yet. There is something I have in mind that might make it ai though.

Care to explain the last sentence?

[lilith2013]

What do you think about my townreads lilita

I don’t feel very strongly that either of your other townreads are town. Can you explain those reads?

[lilith2013]

pagetopped

[lilith2013]

What do you think about my townreads lilita

I don’t feel very strongly that either of your other townreads are town. Can you explain those reads?

sure which one

both norweej and una

[lilith2013]

This feels like TvT.

I domt know if it is, but you throwing this out there this early makes me think that you are.

What about it was town-indicative?

[lilith2013]

Lilith how did you feel about Nor's attempt to explain his thoughts there?

I don’t think I really agree with it, but I think I believe that he believes it

[lilith2013]

I care more about Billy’s response to my question than what it implies about norweej’s alignment

[lilith2013]

I domt know if it is, but you throwing this out there this early makes me think that you are.

orly? how so?

copying my question?

[lilith2013]

can you like.....throw me a couple of quotes which illustrate an increase in frustration for something which is not directly a misunderstanding from that exchange?

Tws taken this no duh.... approach with me earlier and i dont like seeing it again
It makes it sound like hes good faith questioning but it frames who hes speaking to as obviously wrong from the beginning

Reading an argument like that as tvt is common as hell whether or not its right but tw goes straight for the tmi read where id expect a more honest exploration of thought process
Idr if tw was already scumreading norway

you know duck didn’t call it a tmi read, right? I think he just said that it was NAI and he had decent reasoning for it (and personally I’m inclined to agree with said reasons)

[lilith2013]

my head hurts

take a nap?

[lilith2013]

This feels like TvT.

I domt know if it is, but you throwing this out there this early makes me think that you are.

What about it was town-indicative?

I feel like emotional outbursts are easily pushable. So for thor to sit back from that rather than use it as an opportunity to push someone felt townie. I think the only world that comes from scum is when one of their partners were in the 1v1.

Are you townreading both me and una?

[lilith2013]

Scum!them would bother with escalating an minor issue... why exactly? This is a completely pointless argument for scum to get caught up in, which shows it to be more indicative of a town mindset on both sides.

It's pointless for town to get caught up in too...

I would actually expect lilith to be a little bit more offended as scum, since despite being scum what she said about missing her stop certainly was true. I don't see why she wouldn't engage with someone who offended her, if she was actually offended and wanted to say something about it.

I’m offended by this!

[lilith2013]

I can’t find it now (can someone please help me find this) but someone said that it seemed like lavar was pocketing foureyes, and I actually think foureyes has been buddying lavar for a while now

Maybe they’re just scumbuddies?

[lilith2013]

@Lavar I don’t know, I don’t remember who said that

Can you answer this please?

Oh boy. I am not going to call the argument between Lilith and unabomber ai yet. There is something I have in mind that might make it ai though.

Care to explain the last sentence?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Let’s go here

Why are you going here?

looks like you’re going here now too

that doesn’t invalidate wanting to know the reasons you’re on the wagon (which I would also like to know)

[lilith2013]

I think I must be going crazy, I can’t find the thing I thought happened where someone said that lavar was pocketing foureyes. Did I dream it?

[lilith2013]

Didn't you say it?

no I said I think you're pocketing him

[lilith2013]

Lilith are you saying scum!four is pocketing town!lavar?

idk what I'm saying. I don't really scumread foureyes atm nor do I particularly townread lavar, it's just something I noted

[lilith2013]

I think I also have a ~guess~ and am just gonna leave it be for today

[lilith2013]

what about lavar is towny to you?

[lilith2013]

.... meh

[lilith2013]

I suppose I don't actually disagree with anything in particular, my question was more to help me read you and I don't think your answer really helped me as much as I was hoping

[lilith2013]

Lilith i want to buddy you now how do i do that

1) why
2) sorry it’s a secret

[lilith2013]

SS can I get your current read on duck please?

[lilith2013]

also IV can you please answer why you’re voting billy pilgrim right now?

[lilith2013]

Lilith i want to buddy you now how do i do that

1) why
2) sorry it’s a secret

I like your style

consider me irl pocketed (˶◕‿◕˶✿)

[lilith2013]

I think we have decent enough wagon sizes that it's worth looking into the building of said wagons. reminder to self to do that later

[lilith2013]

IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

their one post

[lilith2013]

Saudade, how do you feel about billy pilgrim and his wagon?

[lilith2013]

@Saudade (re: Billy)

you're questioning both the wagon itself and me saying the wagon is bad

Billy's catchup posts don't really seem to be aimed at helping him sort people, more looking like he's attempting to sort people. I'd say that's continued through his latter posts as well.

I don’t feel like you engaged with my response so I’m interested in hearing how my response helped you sort me or how you expected it to help you sort me when you asked about the wagon

This feels like TvT.

I domt know if it is, but you throwing this out there this early makes me think that you are.

What about it was town-indicative?

in general I feel like his posts have been more geared towards seeming like he's sorting people than actually attempting to sort people. The questions he asked me were very.... like I'm not actually sure how my answers were going to help him sort me, it looked like he asked me questions just to look like he was doing things. He also questioned both sides of the wagon (ie both lavar and me) in the same kind of way. And when I asked how my response helped him sort me, he basically just said my response was good. I think also the early townread on me feels kind of buddying-adjacent, and so does the townread on Norweeeeeej

[lilith2013]

you know I actually dont have any sort of read on you SS

it's ok you just sheep me on SS

[lilith2013]

in general I feel like his posts have been more geared towards seeming like he's sorting people than actually attempting to sort people. The questions he asked me were very.... like I'm not actually sure how my answers were going to help him sort me, it looked like he asked me questions just to look like he was doing things. He also questioned both sides of the wagon (ie both lavar and me) in the same kind of way. And when I asked how my response helped him sort me, he basically just said my response was good. I think also the early townread on me feels kind of buddying-adjacent, and so does the townread on Norweeeeeej

This applies to iv too imo like even on this page
Somebody hated the poker post from billy but i kindve liked it it is a fucking weird post but in an i want to be heard kinda way

I think I agree on iv

[lilith2013]

saud you skipped all the posts I had issues with lmao

[lilith2013]

I mean ok phone posting but then he spends half his posts replying to fluffy things

[lilith2013]

okay

[lilith2013]

I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I have more juicy things in mind once the person I'm interested in responds to me

[lilith2013]

oh wait idk if I actually asked them the questions I wanted to yet. I'm still like rolling it around in my brain a bit.

[lilith2013]

oh my god you ruined my dramatic locktownread reveal

[lilith2013]

rip well it's out

[lilith2013]

frantically stuffing confetti back in the pinata

[lilith2013]

let's pretend I didn't say anything ok

[lilith2013]

NAI

[lilith2013]

you can read him however you want, that's not how I read him

[lilith2013]

~vibes~

[lilith2013]

yes

[lilith2013]

I do also wanna mention that I've got my lockread on SS but I'm kind of wondering if I shouldn't out it so as to make myself less of a target

[lilith2013]

tell me now

what do I get out of doing that?

[lilith2013]

tell me now

what do I get out of doing that?

better chance of me carrying you

I can carry myself just fine thanks

[lilith2013]

@ss

SS can I get your current read on duck please?

[lilith2013]

tell me now

what do I get out of doing that?

better chance of me carrying you

I can carry myself just fine thanks

alright dont blame me if I just sort him by shooting him at night

are you claiming a shot?

[lilith2013]

[lilith2013]

no regrets about that pagetop.

pedit: yeah I thought it was pretty clear. I didn't want to out it because I feel that it usually gets me shot n1 to prevent me from gamesolving.

[lilith2013]

sorry that wasn't a pedit, i'm dumb.

[lilith2013]

cool, I can finally play a game then

[lilith2013]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[lilith2013]

@duck can you give an updated readslist please

trying to figure out how to read you is hard. seems like I can’t even outsource it to ss

and yes I woke up at 4am to post this

[lilith2013]

Sirius, are you always this disappointing?

[lilith2013]

120-nepenthes says SS is caught scum for saying “lol” to her seriously scumreading him but 145-nepenthes says it should have been obvious the read wasn’t serious

[lilith2013]

innocentvillager how does it feel

as I’ve said, it wasn’t me who posted that.

Serious fos here for mis repping me.

@iv is this a serious post?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

Why would I throw my weight in with RVS votes

SS was/is objectively scummiest

I'm pretty sure Sausage had the scummiest pg. 1 and I know we're pulling at shit here but can you split hairs a bit more for me? I'm dead ass null on page 1 ss

What was scummy about saudade on page 1?

[lilith2013]

@saudade why do you currently prefer nepenthes elim over an IV elim

[lilith2013]

Because iv is a clown

what does this mean?

[lilith2013]

Only person here who I actually have played with before is IV. They should be good.

IV just told me he willingly lynched a neutral slot in a previous game.
He doesn’t seem that good.

[redacted information I can talk about later]

Is this redacted because ongoing game?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: inmocentvillager

due respect but this is objectively the worst vote on page 1

your other posts are basically "wooahh look at me I'm sausage I'm funny" and you're holding a meme vote on lhf who claimed scum on page 1 even though we're on pg. 3 and there's some blatantly questionable content from like a number of people?

you're too spicy to just ignore the evolving gamestate and hold a vote on a joke scumclaim as town

goodbye dear sausage

- who else had “blatantly questionable” content at this time?
- how was the initial vote on iv bad? you say it’s bad because he kept it until page 3 but that doesn’t explain why the actual original act of what was presumably rvs voting on page 1 was bad. Why was that scummy?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: billy pilgrim

I can’t get over how much I scumread his opening posts tbh

[lilith2013]

Like here’s Billy questioning Lavar about his vote and implying that Lavar’s vote was bad

VOTE: Something_Smart

There were multiple options, why this one?

And here’s Billy saying I’m scummy for thinking Lavar’s vote was bad

bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This pings me. Like a) why is the wagon bad; b)is this even the only wagon at this point? And if it isn't, why are the other wagons good?

I enjoy the fact that you're questioning both the wagon itself and me saying the wagon is bad

Its how I get into a game. You threw out a spicey take, so I engaged you on your take while I engaged with the wagon.

After I voted him, he changed his mind to say he was townreading me by saying he liked that I doubled down on my Lavar vote, but that contradicts him saying it was scummy for me to question Lavar’s vote originally (and I think is an attempt to get me to back off). Also note he calls it a “spicy take” the second time he talks about it (which is, again, after I voted him).

How could my saying Lavar’s vote was bad ping him while he simultaneously agreed with it? How does asking me whether this is the only wagon and whether the other wagons were good help him sort me? What is my answer to that (which is going to be factual regardless of alignment) going to say about me that is AI and that he couldn’t have read himself on the page he was reading?

I also just hugely dislike this fencesitty positioning of “oh I’m engaging with both you and the wagon” and somehow managing to scumread both sides of it

[lilith2013]

I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!!

why?

Then I remembered I'm voting Nep and I'm crushin it

This is at best a vanity wagon so either persuade other people to join you or join a different wagon that isn’t so vanity

[lilith2013]

Please refer to this post for why I’m pursuing this line of questioning:

@duck can you give an updated readslist please

trying to figure out how to read you is hard. seems like I can’t even outsource it to ss

and yes I woke up at 4am to post this

[lilith2013]

VOTE: inmocentvillager

due respect but this is objectively the worst vote on page 1

your other posts are basically "wooahh look at me I'm sausage I'm funny" and you're holding a meme vote on lhf who claimed scum on page 1 even though we're on pg. 3 and there's some blatantly questionable content from like a number of people?

you're too spicy to just ignore the evolving gamestate and hold a vote on a joke scumclaim as town

goodbye dear sausage

- who else had “blatantly questionable” content at this time?
- how was the initial vote on iv bad? you say it’s bad because he kept it until page 3 but that doesn’t explain why the actual original act of what was presumably rvs voting on page 1 was bad. Why was that scummy?

I can't really remember ottomh I think I was just yelling loudly to get Sausage to do something AI

Sausage IV vote based on pg1 was not really scum indicative in a vacuum, it's just a vote on someone who is being a clown rather than a vote on the people who are likely to acrually be sorted in response to being voted

did you like...think it was a good vote or are you just confused that I was quacking a lot?

Do you have an answer to the first question I asked?

porque no los dos? Why don’t you think that iv was sortable by voting just because he was “being a clown”? Do you believe that RVS votes must be on people who it’s “worth” voting?

[lilith2013]

I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!!

why?

Then I remembered I'm voting Nep and I'm crushin it

This is at best a vanity wagon so either persuade other people to join you or join a different wagon that isn’t so vanity

I'm cool w vanity wagoning scum rn pleaseeeee don't tell me not to engage in vanity wagons like two? days into a phaseeeee we can consolidate when there's better content and we actually need an elim

I honestly don’t care about consolidating, I care more that you’re basically voteparked but don’t seem to care that no one else is voting her

[lilith2013]

If you genuinely think you have caught scum, why aren’t you 1) pushing her more, or 2) attempting to convince people that she’s scum?

[lilith2013]

Btw the read I care about most is your read on me, I’d like that asap. The rest of the readslist is not as urgent

[lilith2013]

Also

I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!!

why?

[lilith2013]

Wow Lillith, you’re making me feel like a noob with your pro questioning.

can’t tell if sarcasm. I hope it’s not (◕‸ ◕✿)

[lilith2013]

you are surface town but I need to go and like read your posts/trajectory once the game is a bit more mature

DW, i’ll make sure this doesn’t happen as long as i live.

what is that supposed to mean?!

[lilith2013]

you said (or implied) that rvs voting iv was bad because he was a clown and you should rvs vote people who are sortable by voting. Why isn’t iv sortable by voting? Is it just because he’s a clown?

[lilith2013]

groan yourself

[lilith2013]

I’m asking what the reasoning for your billy read is

[lilith2013]

Or like, what makes you consider voting him

[lilith2013]

Can you explain your “surface town” read on me?

[lilith2013]

I'm also allocating energy to things that are more important

Is this referring to irl things or other things in this game

[lilith2013]

I mean I’m not trying to rag on you for having things going on other than this game, but I do feel like you’ve skated by so far without doing a lot and people just being like “oh worst is obvtown” when I think most if not all of your posts are probably fakeable/within what I think is your scumrange

[lilith2013]

Can you explain your “surface town” read on me?

you're energetic and mostly feel happy to be here which I think is weakly town indicative. I think the train thing is kind of a funny towntell, it's also probably super vaguely town indicative. the conclusion of this convo will probably help my read on u a bit

I feel like this ignores both the parts and the sum of my content and I’ve been wondering why it seems like you’ve been avoiding stating a townread on me

[lilith2013]

okay

[lilith2013]

I guess I get what you’re saying but this isn’t going to make me stop questioning posts you made that I want to question.

What was the conclusion of your early push on saudade? What made you think that you got everything that you wanted out of that push?

[lilith2013]

Sorry, you think my questions are loaded/presumptuous?

also the point of my doing this whole questioning thing is so I actually have an opinion on you before I go like engaging other people about their opinions of you

[lilith2013]

Okay I don’t feel like I’ve been asking loaded or presumptuous questions or at least it wasn’t my intent, I’m genuinely trying to understand thought processes behind things I don’t understand.

[lilith2013]

Lilith is a little dictator

I’m sorry, this is supposed to be a compliment?

[lilith2013]

Lilith is a little dictator

I’m sorry, this is supposed to be a compliment?

No

Oh I see.

[lilith2013]

duck, I’m sorry if you think I’m asking you leading questions that feel unfair to you or that I’m not attempting to genuinely engage you, I just want to reiterate that I’m trying to understand your thought processes even if my questions have a purpose that might not be immediately clear, and the level of questioning I’m doing is probably at least partly motivated by feeling like I didn’t do my due diligence in miccro

[lilith2013]

I don’t think what I’m looking for depends on confidence in reads

[lilith2013]

duck, I’m sorry if you think I’m asking you leading questions that feel unfair to you or that I’m not attempting to genuinely engage you, I just want to reiterate that I’m trying to understand your thought processes even if my questions have a purpose that might not be immediately clear, and the level of questioning I’m doing is probably at least partly motivated by feeling like I didn’t do my due diligence in miccro

it's ok, no apology needed. I don't think you engage me with intentionally leading questions; just please accept that I'm going to call out things that appear to be presumptuous fmpov.

Could you explain what about those questions made them feel presumptuous? I’ll see if I can word them differently to be more neutral/make them not feel as much

I don’t think what I’m looking for depends on confidence in reads

I'm trying to avoid defaulting to "I felt like it" but I don't think I have a lot of exciting mindset insights to impart on you as of yet? if I attributed motivations I'd be exaggerating them or making them up atp

“I felt like it” is an acceptable answer sometimes

[lilith2013]

I, too, feel personally attacked (/s)

[lilith2013]

@iv

also IV can you please answer why you’re voting billy pilgrim right now?

[lilith2013]

Sorry I forget who’s answered my outstanding questions and sometimes quote myself multiple times after it’s been answered

[lilith2013]

I’m asking more in a general sense so I can be more mindful in the future of how my questions come across.

I didn’t mean these particular questions to imply that I thought you should have a read on him, more like, did it help progress your thoughts on the game, and if so, how? (Again, I feel like sometimes “no” is an acceptable answer)

[lilith2013]

ngl this is making me question the validity of my entire playstyle a little bit

[lilith2013]

Haha lilith is bulldozering a half asleep duck

D:

[lilith2013]

I think the reasons here seem a little surface/forced but maybe that's just because I disagree? But I also like the whole progression and the timestamps surrounding them, it really does seem like he's taking time to reread and reevaluate real time, they're about 10 minutes apart

this, for example, is making my brain tingly

tingly = good or bad?

[lilith2013]

I’m asking more in a general sense so I can be more mindful in the future of how my questions come across.

I didn’t mean these particular questions to imply that I thought you should have a read on him, more like, did it help progress your thoughts on the game, and if so, how? (Again, I feel like sometimes “no” is an acceptable answer)

not directly, and not hugely, but i think the way he shifted tact is probably town indicative at some level.

Okay, thank you

pedit: <3

[lilith2013]

also iv you made me think of a thing i wanted to ask! so that’s a positive contribution

[lilith2013]

Nep, what’s your thoughts on InnocentVillager?

I like the guy seems fun
Imo the movement around iv is more ai so far than ivs actual posts

@nepenthes can you explain what you meant by this? what are/were your opinions on the people you were referring to?

[lilith2013]

IV is defs readable :0 I'll fight whoever said that

I don’t think anyone said iv is unreadable but you did say that (rvs) voting him wasn’t going to help sort him As part of the reasoning for you pushing saudade, right?

[lilith2013]

I didnt have a good read on iv when norwee asked but there were a lot of opinions on him that seemed interesting off the top of my head like norwee and Four
I had a suspicion iv was lynchbait but then i got a four tr and iv pinged

why are you townreading four again?

[lilith2013]

I think I literally townlean four because of tone and the fact he's struggling to adequately squeeze his thoughts into his posting gimmick which suggests a degree of nuance which is maybe less likely to be made up

why are you townreading four?

? by posting gimmick, are you sure you don’t mean zombie?

[lilith2013]

Idk how to say this without sounding insulting bc people seem to get offended when i claim town likes being condescending and self righteous more than scum

I probably disagree with this but okay

[lilith2013]

er okay

[lilith2013]

Can you explain your “surface town” read on me?

you're energetic and mostly feel happy to be here which I think is weakly town indicative. I think the train thing is kind of a funny towntell, it's also probably super vaguely town indicative. the conclusion of this convo will probably help my read on u a bit

I feel like this ignores both the parts and the sum of my content and I’ve been wondering why it seems like you’ve been avoiding stating a townread on me

I do wanna come back to this when you get the chance duckling

[lilith2013]

fwiw I’m not directly scumreading duck and he’s not straight-up null for me like he was in our last game, which I think is a good sign, but I still don’t particularly think his posts haven’t been fakeable

[lilith2013]

Oh shit 1000

[lilith2013]

nooooooo

[lilith2013]

Saudade I feel like you find a weird amount of enjoyment in sassing me

[lilith2013]

(the second half of your iso in year of miccros ii had some really cool nuances which struck me as stuff I probably couldn't push as fake)

oog I do really really want to know what you mean by this

[lilith2013]

This is at best a vanity wagon so either persuade other people to join you or join a different wagon that isn’t so vanity

oh nooo

lilith you are scum aren't you

no :////// you should be townreading me by now

[lilith2013]

@lavar pretty please

Can you answer this please?

Oh boy. I am not going to call the argument between Lilith and unabomber ai yet. There is something I have in mind that might make it ai though.

Care to explain the last sentence?

[lilith2013]

[lilith2013]

ss did you come to a conclusion on a duck read or

[lilith2013]

I feel like I’m only deliberately condescending when I’m scum

[lilith2013]

goddammit