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VOTE: bob

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VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

Gonna have to put a little more effort into pissing me off if you want drama

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VOTE: trendall

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Why would you sign up for a game to submit yourself to such tedium holy hell

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the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Ok but it doesn't seem to be doing much so you might want to rethink your strategy here

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If that's the case I prefer games where people don't teeter on the edge of throwing

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Why would you not say anything if you have all the mafia figured out?

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Pretty happy w/ my vote rn

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"Happy with my vote" used to be a pretry common thing to say

Almost surreal to see it's sus now

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virtual paragraph slippers

Lol this was pretty amusing

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I think they're just shitposting for shitposting's sake. I am interested if beeboy has some game related comments though.

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What makes you see SvS in nora glitch?

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Someone engage me. Bring us out of RVS. Im afraid we have gone back to RVS and quiet lurking land, home to the lurking alligators :P

You tool credit for getting us out of rvs ya goof

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Someone engage me. Bring us out of RVS. Im afraid we have gone back to RVS and quiet lurking land, home to the lurking alligators :P

You tool credit for getting us out of rvs ya goof

where be my towncred lollipops?

You think it looks town to say you did something Towne and then backtrack it later???

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If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

You can have content today+flip tonight or just the flip tonight. You're saying the latter is preferable?

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I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

this is false

also you just voted for the wagon I started

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that's two ppl making vague noises about glitch/noraa being svs now

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If it helps, I've dropped that theory. I have more equity in noraa scum now though. Keita 230 is right on the ball with how I am feeling there.

hmmmm. maybe a look through noraa's iso is needed.

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1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.

2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.

Everybody knows that this is very early on in the game where little of any significance happens, so if somebody is starting to talk to me about how I haven't done reams and reams of analysis yet, then that is suspect because everybody knows that nobody's reads are massively serious right now necessarily. If something happens that I think is interesting then I'll pick up on it, and as it happens I think that nothing relevant has happened so far in this game other than I think that Flubbernugget is more likely to be town, and that it's unlikely that all of the other players who jumped on voting me are town too.

Glitch's questions are just...I don't know how to explain but this isn't how you get information out of people. Watch a couple of episodes of Columbo or something to see how it's done properly. His questions are very much putting words in my mouth, bombarding me with stuff left right and centre, trying to catch me out. If you're questioning somebody with the intention of making them slip up, like you've already decided what the answers are going to be as he obviously has done, then the person will slip up, it's pointless, it's a waste of time. Like he's certain his technique works, I'll flip town, and he'll just carry on game after game doing the exact same thing without ever evaluating where he made a mistake.

He's already said to me 'if you were town you would have done this instead'. So if he already knows everything about what I would do in a given situation and I have already breached that, then what possible reason would there be to respond to his points further? Then there's all this theatrical stuff about 'oh this should be the definition of omgus on the wiki'. If he thinks something I've said is 'contrived' then there's nothing I can do about that other than say 'no it wasn't'. Saying something is 'contrived' is nothing, it's not an argument, it's just a person looking at a post and going 'I don't like the look of this because of a gut feeling', how could you possibly argue that further? He says that I am 'panicky' and 'feel pressured' which again, I can say 'I'm clearly not' and then we're at a stalemate. You can't reason with a person if that's the extent of their arguments.

And again, with your question 'why does that make him scum?', I never said it did, so again that's a leading question trying to paint is as though I made a bad argument as to him being mafia when I never made such an argument at all. Like I say, his original question against Noraa was unreasonable, I thought that made him slightly more likely to be mafia than anybody else at that point given that I have no other reads, hence my vote is on him for the time being. It's not like a strong read, I don't care about it very much, but apparently if I don't vote for anybody then everybody complains about that too. As for the motivations for his arguing against me, that could go either way so I wouldn't present any of that as being in favour of him being mafia. I'm just saying that either way, nobody should be looking at his arguments against me and thinking 'yeah they're good arguments we should eliminate Trendall'.

Nothing I have done is tantamount to 'giving up' and I couldn't care less what is and isn't a 'towntell' lol.

hmmm. I think i need to look through glitch/trendall's dual ISO too.

ugh. effort.

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I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

meh. it's rambly but there's some stuff in there.

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So people don't want to skip today? Another problem is that sometimes the longer you play the more people will claim and mafia and serial killer will be able to kill all of the good roles. but if we skip they'll have no clue who it is and those roles can get us some goodies for the next day

I don't mean to be rude here but your next game should be the newbie queue.

:<

there's no shame in hitting up the newbie queue and it doesn't mean you're bad or anything like that. It's just to help get acclimated to the way games are normally played on MS and the philosophy behind them

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I'm only up to page 11 but so far there seems to be a dynamic where glitch does the questioning and trendall does the answering and I'm not the most fond of it

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A few things to note so far into the game:
1) I dont have a reads list yet. I'll try to get one soon but nothings clicking with me well enough yet :<
2) Plus is being awfully quiet. I have a terrible time trying to sort this slot and I literally almost always end up SRing this slot. Like legit last time I was in a game with him, I was scum and I legit for a second was like gosh plus is really sus. But seriously he is NEVER this quiet. I have super duper conflicting feelings about plus bc I straight up have never read him right before but I'd like to hear him respond to this as well as other people's opinions on Plus this game. Dont just look at this game tho. Def check out some meta bc he tends to always be a lil scummy and I have a hard time determining how scummy does he have to act for me to know he legitimately rolled scum bc I really can't tell.
3) aggressiveness idk if its normal for glitch cuz in the large theme that just ended with glitch, I do not think he tunneled me this hard. Like I was annoyed but I felt trendall was really frustrated at one point.
4) Do not be fooled by Bob's towniness. He fooled me to hell and back in Random facts. I take it that he just has a really towny playstyle but I haven't found what exactly can determine whether or not he is scum.
5) that's all for today. thanks for coming to my ted talk

Lots of non commited shade in here

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^spoil walls please
I think I want my vote on glitch for now. The tunneling, tho not abnormal in mafia, normally comes from scum this early in a game. And it leading nowhere kinda tells me one of them is likely scum :/
TvT's get uglyVOTE: glitch

I think im seeing what others are seeing with the soft defends of trendall here

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Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

Why are you asking this? Nora voted for glitch

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Lots of resistance to this trendall wagon

I think we are on the right track

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Oh fuck that

Get well soon dude

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I'm about to borrow your sig johnny

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Agreed on first which is making me sweat a little in that I'm just wrong in going the VI route but I'm going to soak a little more before doing anything. I think that slot needs to be terminated before Day 3 though so a Day 1 isn't the worst case scenario. I just don't see it flipping red.

Nothing about a wagon being in a good position should make you sweat.

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Agreed on first which is making me sweat a little in that I'm just wrong in going the VI route but I'm going to soak a little more before doing anything. I think that slot needs to be terminated before Day 3 though so a Day 1 isn't the worst case scenario. I just don't see it flipping red.

Nothing about a wagon being in a good position should make you sweat.

I guess? You don't like to try to be right 100% of the time?

I don't fret much if my reads are wrong esp d1. but there's more to a day phase than reads, which I'm a little more certain for

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Trendall wagon is gone and so is trendall

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Trendall/Nora pair slightly less likely

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What's the scoop on the +j scumread now?

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I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

WOAH don't like this.

Picking sides why? You say in this post you don't know what to make of trendall (despite voting them) so does this mean you townread glitch? Or you agree with his logic, but not so far as to actually scumread trendall? Looks like a shameful pocket attempt on glitch

This is probs the most substance related to the issue I've seen

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VOTE: plusjoy

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this completely slipped my mind. ill be my priority after work

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*will

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ok I'm caught up on d1

gonna be fun seeing why derp hasn't been turbolynched yet

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The scenario of hopkirk mafia doctor enabler with derp town doctor is more terrifying, since if we don't lynch derp today, he will wrongly protect hopkirk every night and town is likely to lose the game in the end.

if this is normal, it's extra swingy

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Flubber only feels focused on/engaging with a tiny portion of the game.

half the game's inactive my dude

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up to p 32

I believe all claims are truthful

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Note to self - nobody wants to vote Flubber for the second time, but nobody has any particular reason to like the slot beyond the slightest lean.

I've had similar feelings about trendall

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Because I was not your first vote of day 2 even when I was your number one suspect. You voted Flubber then switched to me the moment I speculated on the set-up. I could only guess that Flubber looked like an easier mislynch based on his presence on the Plus wagon day 1.

you seem a lot more confident in me being town than you should

though your hopkirk case doesn't seem like something scum would do

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is scum doctor normal?

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Flubber, who in {Noraa, Glitch, Trendall, JohnnyFarrar, The Slime Collective, nopointinactingup, Keita} is scum?
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

trendall + probs 1 other

also I think I need to specify: I believe all claims, but I'm not discounting scum outside of derp/hopkirk

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VOTE: trendall

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That's a good point

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I think there's been enough talk about the claims. I don't think there's a full picture yet

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I could also vote nopo. I felt like he and I were on the same page at the start of today and then this hopkirk back and forth happened

What didn't you like about the back and forth, johnny?

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H O T F U C K I N D A M N was that a speedwagon

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I mean in terms of pure reads I have trendall for scum.

I'm conflicted between you and derp bc the actions dont line up w/ the setup spec but that needs to be digged into later.

Once that mess gets worked out there's probabaly only one more scum to find and we'll have more flips to really work it through.

I don't have a top to bottom reads list but you're being dishonest acting like I'm not solving

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If trendall flips scum I think that puts noraa under the hotseat. Otherwise there needs to be a pretty deep reevaluation of the nulls and yeah thats about where I'm totally lost

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Shit i forgot about this

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Slime is trully a weird kill. I'd think the scums would ... be more worried about the outed prs?
Maybe I'm overthinking but I almost think atm that one of the outed is scum and the scum team is keeping both alive to like idk provide cover for the other....

The only reason scum has to not kill in the claims is if they're in that set of people

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Slime is trully a weird kill. I'd think the scums would ... be more worried about the outed prs?
Maybe I'm overthinking but I almost think atm that one of the outed is scum and the scum team is keeping both alive to like idk provide cover for the other....

The only reason scum has to not kill in the claims is if they're in that set of people

Really, that's the only reason? It objectively isn't. If you're town then you're saying it hasn't crossed your mind that scum aren't killing the claims so that town (like yourself in this example) want to vote them because they think they must be scum for not getting killed?

Its literally one of the most classical examples of wifom this is. You've been playing long enough to know what wifom is.

You've been playing long enough to know that wifom can explain away any action scum makes

What are you doing dude

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Anyway

HARDCLAIM ROLE COP

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There's scum in {hop, me, derp} off of 4 pr towns being unprecedented for normals. Derp makes the best candidate because my role plays nicely into a town/scum doc dynamic

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VOTE: derp

Also staarling should probably claim

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Enabler probably makes sense to mitigate follow the cop but idk how that plays into alignment

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it can be

if you really need to trade me go nuts

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u have to promise it's off w/ trendall's head after you trade me for derp tho

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flubber, if u were a role cop and have suspicions on these prs, why didn't u just like ... check them night 1 and 2?

because i think anyone in that pool can be true claiming and scum

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Anyway

HARDCLAIM ROLE COP

What are your results so far

I have an investigation on staarling

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Or is flub a maf goon willing to 1v1 and for in order to get town PR derp eliminated?

as opposed to just...killing the town pr derp?

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There's scum in {hop, me, derp} off of 4 pr towns being unprecedented for normals.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You're saying that 4 town PRs in a mini is abnormal and therefore the three of you must have scum?

That's fine but please confirm that's what you were trying to say. Hopkirk is locktown and we are not lynching him at all. So that puts it between you and derp.

I think it is unfair to say that Hopkirk's role is scum. What if he is town Doc enabler and pj was town Doc and derp is scum doc? I really think this is what the case is.

And if derp flips green then we flip flub.

This is an insanely weird post. Of everyone in that scum pool I've been pointing to derp, and you're focusing on why hopkirk isn't scum

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How is hopkirk locktown? It probably flew over my head

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yeah I have a modifier

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still 4 prs

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I have a modifier I haven't revealed yet but my one shot is already used up so scum have no reason to kill me tonight since my role is no longer a threat. Flubber should role cop me tonight and reveal what my modifier is tomorrow and then I'll confirm.

i can confirm d4. i'm even night

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Explain in a lot more depth because you're still the scummiest person here bar mayyyybe Johnny.

I really didn't expect there to be any more PR's than there were so I figured my shots might be able to spook one of the null slots into fakeclaiming

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johnny would have been a good null to look into as well but I think there was a better chance of getting a more pure reaction trying to spook a newer player

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It would be great if someone else has an ability to confirm the roll top with an identity that has not been fully revealed yet. I know that math claim is important right now so I do not oppose that but if anyone has a modifier or some sort of detail to their role that they can not out during mass claim then we can force Flubber into a WIFOM between me and the other person. If Flubber truly is scum then he could just kill me tonight and have that beat his way out having two roll- cop me. The more I think about it though, the more it doesn't really help. Sorry I'm thinking through this and doing text to tight while I drive. As I'm thinking through it even if we confirm him as roll cop I don't know that it helps much with his alignment because I've never seen a town roll cop only scum role cop. I'm down with trying to confirm him as role cop anyways but even if we do I don't know that it just means he's lock town.

I would think the correct play for a town derp here is to protect you, so idk why you're concerned about dying

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maybe it's just a pet idea on my part but I still feel like the investigations in this game are set up to throw a lot of false positives on alignment

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In the last mini game that ended that I was in, there was like 5......

Hold up lemme go make sure that's correct.

Yeah, 5.

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Vengeful
Town Novice 3-Shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Vanilla Cop Mailman

yep.

my grasp of normal meta seems to be incredibly...dated

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I have a modifier I haven't revealed yet but my one shot is already used up so scum have no reason to kill me tonight since my role is no longer a threat. Flubber should role cop me tonight and reveal what my modifier is tomorrow and then I'll confirm.

i can confirm d4. i'm even night

No. you do not do this and waste a role cop if you are town. Im not sure how to confirm you are town atm but wasting a role cop on Glitch to confirm a damn modifier is absolutely stupid.

Where do you think my shot should go?

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I have to wrap my head around all these claims

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2 docs + hider keeps the investigatives close to invincible. That's batshit insane

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Most scum fakeclaims are usually something like tracker, doctor, jk. Stuff that they have complete knowledge of the info they provide

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Idk how a scum hider fake claim would work, but that's a pisspoor time to claim hider as scum i would think

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I guess hider has some fakeclaim potential as to why the pr claim(s) are still alive?

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Scum rolecip means scum actually have a chance of finding out about the doctors and the possible hider. They need something like this for the setup to be ok.

Having to kill 3 prs to get to the investigatives is still batshit insane

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How does Hider do anything to boost the gunsmith's suitability?

I got the hider and bodyguard mixed up, sorry

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Im conflicted on Flubber. The claim seems reasonable but I'm just confused more than anything at this point. Ill compromise on that if we run out of time but would prefer Johnny.

Why johnny over me? I think mechanically i make for the better flip

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VOTE: derp

Also staarling should probably claim

@notactingup

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What is Trendall's readslist?

4. Amongst the PRs, if one of them is fake then I believe derp, and nopointinactinup's thing about 'hider' makes perfect sense. Hopkirk gets more suspicious the more I think about them, so I try not to think about them too much. So ignoring them, the final mafia would be between Glitch and Flubbernugget. Glitch behaves more suspiciously, but I somehow just don't feel like you give town a rolecop given how the setup seems to work to me (see Hopkirk post 1185), and it's not as though Flubbernugget is not acting suspiciously as well.

Can you elaborate further on why you think my claim "makes sense" and why Hopkirk, Glitch's claims are "suspicious". Hard to understand your thought process when you're just throwing out words.

I also think this is building a world where derp and I are both scum? Which????? Um????