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Post Post #1705 (isolation #200) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:20 pm

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In post 1698, Marky Mark wrote:At a pragmatic level, if there are things I could tweak to make my posts more digestible please let me know
It's cool. I used to post like you tbh. It can be helpful for some people to see big walls.

I'm just a bit older now and I tend to like shorter posts that make concise points. You do you. I'm not going to fault you for your own style and whatever type of posting is most helpful for you
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #201) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:22 pm

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In post 1698, Marky Mark wrote:Chat shit, get banged,
Legit loled. Drunk Mark is where it is at
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #202) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:25 pm

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In post 1699, Andresvmb wrote:I literally said Tayl0r was my strongest TR just before. VPB knows that this is a position they will have to convince others of and argue aggressively. This is not something Scum aims to do.
Ugh. And then Andres posts stuff like this and I feel bad for questioning him. I was bracing for scum!Andres to attack me over that.

Hmm.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #203) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:35 pm

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In post 1709, Infinity 324 wrote:Since he has a lot of influence over the game, he isn't afraid to stick out.
I have a lot of influence? I haven't gotten people to vote my way most of the day.

I'm definitely engaging with a lot of people because that is how I get reads, but I wouldn't say I'm particularly influential at this point.

I'm basically being forced to compromise yeet you because of my lack of influence
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #204) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:43 pm

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In post 1720, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway I welcome some input from others on this and you can all yell at me for focusing on the wrong thing if that’s what I’m doing. This could also be confirmation bias on my part.
I don't think you're wrong that infinity is clearly OMGUSing me for voting him. I think Taylor's reasoning is equally bad and her crying foul act every time I ask her a question is sus as hell, but I'm fine yeeting infinity today. I think the scum equity is maybe not as high as youd think (maybe like 65% odds flip red in my unscientific estimation), but I'm willing to concede I'm wrong often and infinity isn't exactly winning me over since I voted him.
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #205) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:49 pm

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In post 1724, Marky Mark wrote:As such, I am leaning towards either an elim on someone who has objectivley acted against town interests (ie DK) or someone in the lurker pool (ie DGB, NM or Geraint at a push).
Team Geraintm here and always down. DGB would vote there as well. That's three.
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #206) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:07 pm

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Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #207) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:09 pm

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I just iso-ed Taylor and there isn't a ton of variance in their reads. They could just be a cocky player, but it's weird to me to see that kind of confidence on D1
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #208) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:10 pm

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In post 1733, Gamma Emerald wrote:Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in
You willing to yeet geraintm today?
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #209) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:13 pm

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In post 1743, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1732, VP Baltar wrote:Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.
What if it’s a distancing tactic though? Don’t we have Scum anyway? Haha just trying to be optimistic here.
I'll admit. That crossed my mind. Their play at each other is nonsensical
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #210) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:26 pm

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In post 1741, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1738, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1733, Gamma Emerald wrote:Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in
You willing to yeet geraintm today?
Yeah man
That's 4.

Koba, you want in on this geraintm yeet?
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #211) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:38 pm

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: geraintm

Willing to take this run again here. 4 votes isn't a fail wagon.

People need to vote Koba, gerain or infinity. Those are the options
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #212) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:09 pm

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In post 1757, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1735, VP Baltar wrote:I just iso-ed Taylor and there isn't a ton of variance in their reads. They could just be a cocky player, but it's weird to me to see that kind of confidence on D1
Consistent reads come from scum more than from town.
Yep yep. Agree
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #213) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:35 pm

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In post 1759, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1756, VP Baltar wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: geraintm

Willing to take this run again here. 4 votes isn't a fail wagon.

People need to vote Koba, gerain or infinity. Those are the options
Im not an option fuck off
Sorry bb, it's true. I think you're town. If you flip we'll get info at least
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #214) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:41 pm

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In post 1763, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: geraintm
CHOO CHOOOOOO
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #215) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:03 pm

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I hate this whole conversation
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #216) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:06 pm

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I hate Koba softed when that was pretty obvious and I hate infinity asked that question, which was obvious
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #217) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:06 pm

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In post 1785, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 1735, VP Baltar wrote:I just iso-ed Taylor and there isn't a ton of variance in their reads. They could just be a cocky player, but it's weird to me to see that kind of confidence on D1
i re-evaluate a lot but there just hasnt been a lot to cause me to change. the big changes were light town-->scum-->light town maybe on you, and infinity. not sure what to make of koba, but its very tempting to just scumbin.
What are you town reading infinity over again? You were all about their yeet until I joined the wagon. That was your only hang up as far as I could tell?
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #218) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:11 pm

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In post 1805, Infinity 324 wrote:Consensus reads* in general

{taylor, JV, mark}
{flavor}
{gerain, n_m, A50}
{DGB, gamma, VP}

I'll ISO andres tomorrow and revisit koba later.
So Taylor is your top town read at this point in the game?
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #219) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:13 pm

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It's hilarious my cake day is on the worst election day in modern american history.

Existential dread!??!? Have some fucking cake
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Post Post #1814 (isolation #220) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:14 pm

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In post 1810, geraintm wrote:as I have just come off a game with gamma as my scum partner, you can trust this man's read on me... :/
Wait is this true? He was just your scum buddy in a recent game?
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #221) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:39 am

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In post 1816, DrippingGoofball wrote:Tayl0r making townie posts on that last page.
Huh. I had the opposite reaction. I noted the infinity read was weirdly consistent and then Taylor suddenly had a change of heart without a clear explanation. I'll be interested to hear her reasoning.
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #222) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:41 am

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In post 1815, geraintm wrote:
In post 1814, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1810, geraintm wrote:as I have just come off a game with gamma as my scum partner, you can trust this man's read on me... :/
Wait is this true? He was just your scum buddy in a recent game?
yep. Shelly was my partner too.
So he'd be accurate in reading your scum game, presumably?

Gamma, is gerain's scum play here reminiscent of your recent game together?
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #223) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:22 am

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In post 1828, Tayl0r Swift wrote:vp me feeling better about infinity has nothing to do with you joining the wagon and everything to do with infinitys posts which made me feel better about infinity. its mostly tone/gut. infinity feels genuine in being a bit confused and lost. im willing to go there at deadline but im no longer confident at all that infinity is scum.
Tone tone tone.

I hate it and avoids accountability.

PLUS, it's just false to say it had nothing to do with me. Here is your first comment that you were "feeling better" about infinity:
In post 1634, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i feel a bit better about infinity now. i dont like at all that VPB is pushing on infinity and promising to go after me tomorrow on a green flip. thats setting up a chain of lims.
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #224) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:51 am

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In post 1785, Tayl0r Swift wrote:the big changes were light town-->scum-->light town maybe on you, and infinity.
I find this an ad hoc explanation.

This entire interaction over infinity and myself feels very incoherent as I've pressed you about it. Are you feeling better or worse about me currently?
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #225) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:32 am

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I'm gonna be generous for now and take your word since I won't have the ability to deep dive today. You're committed to which yeet today?

I'm going to have to cut off my responses in a few hours, and will put my vote back on infinity if that's what's needed to force a claim. I think that's got to happen today or we are going to end up rushing a yeet through last minute without a claim.
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #226) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:06 am

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I can't really see the votes for me or gamma coming together today, possibly even koba. IMO, infinity seems most likely given general consensus.

pedit: looks like gerain stock just went up.
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #227) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:32 am

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In post 1838, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1813, VP Baltar wrote:It's hilarious my cake day is on the worst election day in modern american history.

Existential dread!??!? Have some fucking cake
2016, the president was announced on my cake day.
Ouch.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #228) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:15 am

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In post 1844, Almost50 wrote:So I take it that you're a "win >> having fun" kind of guy? How serious do you take the game from a winning PoV?
Good question (not regarding alignment, but moreso from a theory perspective). I believe the game is most fun when everyone is playing to win. People are more invested and play to the best of their abilities when the desired outcome is victory.

However, I don't side with people who want to win at all costs, ie dirty tricks or being overly mean as a strategy. That's bad sportsmanship.

Everyone can obviously play in a way that is enjoyable for them, but that's just my perspective on what makes a good game whether you win or lose in the end.
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #229) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:23 am

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In post 1855, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my perspective is that fun and winning are only meaningful if VP Baltar is dead.
Lol slipping with them NKs as a strategy. Fascinating
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #230) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:53 am

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My hero
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #231) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:06 am

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I'm gonna be signing off soon. Taylor, where are you going to vote? Infinity or gerain?

They are essentially tied and we need to move in a direction. I can't see a gamma yeet happening
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #232) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:30 am

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In post 1863, Marky Mark wrote:I am less keen on his using this to try and steer people toward the infinity wagon (eg in 1837), which feels like one of the more controversial wagons of those currently having traction and not one that I would have said feels like it has the most consensus.
Idk. I've been trying to get Gerain for most of the day, and people won't get on board. Either I'm way off base or I'm trying to convince scum to vote their buddies. I've repeatedly said infinity isn't my ideal choice for the day, but I'll compromise there if that's the preference. I think more people have expressed interest in infinity overall at various points than gerain.

If you'd vote gerain and infinity does, then we are really talking.
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #233) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:56 am

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In post 1873, Marky Mark wrote:I will keep an eye on this. I've got a day off tomorrow so will have time to go over stuff and work to find a consensus choice if needed.
Ok. I'm going to leave my gerain vote then. Please consider voting sooner rather than later.

And with that, I'm off! I might check the game when I finish work around 2am PST today, but I may be too exhausted too. In the latter case, I'll see you all tomorrow. Get someone to claim soon please.
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Post Post #1880 (isolation #234) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:02 pm

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In post 1878, DrippingGoofball wrote:Koba is town, I 'm not voting Koba even if VP does.
This is libel and I'll see you in court!

(Also never voting Koba today)
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #235) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:28 pm

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In post 1896, Gamma Emerald wrote:VPB, I really hope you understand how a game going as fast as this one is rn gives me trouble, and how scum could abuse it to attempt to get me miselimmed.
Why was this directed at me?
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #236) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:51 am

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Y'all. Force a damn claim already. The time to debate wagons has passed
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #237) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:26 am

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In post 1975, Marky Mark wrote:As A50 and FL aren't voting ATM, I think the priority is for them to put their vote down and we can then solidify around the leading wagon after those two have voted and go through claims etc
+1

A50, need you to pause the catch up and vote to the best of your ability right now. FL, you know what to do.
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #238) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:28 am

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Koba, the reason I think Mark is townish is not because of wall posting. It's because he isn't really coming at you with malice. I know you think he is trying to spin you up, but from the outside it doesn't look like that at all.

I think you're tunneling in the wrong direction at the moment. And this fight isn't useful, imo.
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #239) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:35 am

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In post 1980, Infinity 324 wrote:If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working
This feels like some pretty lame smear tactic.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #240) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:51 am

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In post 1984, Gamma Emerald wrote:So the reason I appealed to you was because you’re the main person I think who could understand where I’m coming from.
Interesting. I hadn't thought it that way. If you think this is something infinity is aware of and trying to exploit, that's scummy.

Either way, I'm not letting you get yeeted today
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #241) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:56 am

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In post 1988, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1981, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1980, Infinity 324 wrote:If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working
This feels like some pretty lame smear tactic.
And you just told A50 to do essentially what Infinity is trying to smear me on. Infinity tried to say me voting geraint when I did was opportunistic when I was just putting my money where my mouth was ahead of when I originally wanted to catch up first. And now you are telling A50 to do the same thing I already have done. I think Infinity’s trying to throw out a bit too much shade for his own good.
Agreed. Don't like it
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Post Post #1993 (isolation #242) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:14 am

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In post 1992, Infinity 324 wrote:VP, do you really think scum!me thinks I can mislim gamma here?
I think if I was scum and in your shoes, I'd be working multiple bets. Goal may not be to lim gamma but rather to cause enough confusion to get a rushed lim at the end of the day that is not you.
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #243) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:23 am

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In post 1995, geraintm wrote:I have to confess, I'm still not sure why people are voting for me.

But to help the game along, if people are expecting me to claim if I get closer to being eliminated I am not going to
Lol never claiming huh
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #244) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm

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Geraintm is either VT trying to eat a yeet for the greater good, or plain old scum. Given the complete lack of engagement, I think it is the latter.

It's been nice playing with you all. Remember, I'll be looking down on you from heaven like Mufasa.
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #245) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:56 pm

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In post 2051, JacksonVirgo wrote:Also I think I’m being discharged in a small bit so that’s fun
You're playing from the hospital! Hardcore.

(Glad you are recovering)
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #246) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:00 pm

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The infinity unvote-revote though. Haha
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #247) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:46 pm

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Gamma is basically lockdown for me. What a turnaround considering I hated shelly
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #248) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:03 pm

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In post 2067, Almost50 wrote:Note to self: If geran is Scum then DkK is likely a partner because of what I just said above
If gerain is scum, infinity scum equity is the one that goes up, imo.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #249) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:18 pm

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In post 2073, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2069, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2067, Almost50 wrote:Note to self: If geran is Scum then DkK is likely a partner because of what I just said above
If gerain is scum, infinity scum equity is the one that goes up, imo.
How so? If he is scum and DkK isn't he should be voting DkK to save himself, and if Infinity is also scum with geran then it's all the more reason for him to be on the DkK wagon.
Who is he in this sentence? I can't quite follow what you're saying.

But yes, I agree we can hash this out tomorrow. I'm not big on trying to solve the game D1
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #250) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:32 pm

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I mean scum! infinity would see one of them getting limmed today. You may as well get bus cred.

I had a game recently where me and my scum buddy were the competing wagons D1. It was terrible and I bussed the shit out of him, while encouraging him to do the same.

I see what you're saying about trying to tip the Koba wagon, but idk if the support is there because DGB, Andres and myself have all said we aren't supporting that.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #251) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:39 pm

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In post 2078, Almost50 wrote:I don't trust DGB, but I did stay clear off DkK because of you and Andres. Like, when I said my top 3 TRs were scattered over the 3 wagons I meant you, Andres and JV
I could be wrong of course. I think gerain is the right flip today and hasn't acted in a town way. It feels like lurking to shake attention. That's a play I've made before
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #252) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:54 pm

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In post 2080, DkKoba wrote:vp be honest are you scum? ://
Nah, I'm just running and gunning. If gerain flips red I'm for sure dead....

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Less them docs on me!
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #253) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:03 pm

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In post 2083, DkKoba wrote:id rather not get gera but he's useless asf so its whatever.

maybe ppl will listen to me when he flips town ((((((((((:
This is some weak shit
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #254) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:19 pm

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In post 2086, DkKoba wrote:annoyed that lhf gets lynched in every game i play and ruins my poes
Your pitch is an infinity yeet?
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #255) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:45 pm

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In post 2089, DkKoba wrote:preferably mark but whatever
That's not happening today
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #256) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:13 am

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Trump loses and we get free scum. REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post Post #2134 (isolation #257) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:13 am

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Will say, weird Koba didn't die after soft claiming power.
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #258) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:15 am

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In post 1805, Infinity 324 wrote:Consensus reads* in general

{taylor, JV, mark}
{flavor}
{gerain, n_m, A50}
{DGB, gamma, VP}

I'll ISO andres tomorrow and revisit koba later.
Quoting for quick reference.

Koba wasn't even on this list. I found that weird at the time.
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #259) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:20 am

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In post 2137, DkKoba wrote:clearly someone is calling my bluff and wants to still miselim me
So you think we yeet infinity, or....
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #260) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:54 am

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In post 2146, Almost50 wrote:UNVOTE:

Just as a precaution. If DGB retracts I am going to vote her. If she sticks to the claim I am going to be confuzzled as to which of the two to believe.
If DGB confirms, it's true.
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Post Post #2176 (isolation #261) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:01 pm

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Agreed. DGB is clearly claiming a result. Could be faking, but it is obviously a claim.

Infinity, why did you role claim when you did?
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #262) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:18 pm

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In post 2177, Infinity 324 wrote:Idk, I thought it was pretty clear DGB wasn't retracting, what else was I supposed to wait for
I mean, you weren't really in yeet range yet. If I was an investigative role, you can bet I'd be reluctant to claim.

I wasn't going to vote you until I heard more, even if I believed the claim.
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #263) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:09 pm

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In post 2201, Infinity 324 wrote:Some things I noticed from VP's end of day 1:
In post 1719, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm basically being forced to compromise yeet you because of my lack of influence
This feels like trying to evade responsibility and I don't like it
In post 1987, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1984, Gamma Emerald wrote:So the reason I appealed to you was because you’re the main person I think who could understand where I’m coming from.
Interesting. I hadn't thought it that way. If you think this is something infinity is aware of and trying to exploit, that's scummy.
In post 1990, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1988, Gamma Emerald wrote: And you just told A50 to do essentially what Infinity is trying to smear me on. Infinity tried to say me voting geraint when I did was opportunistic when I was just putting my money where my mouth was ahead of when I originally wanted to catch up first. And now you are telling A50 to do the same thing I already have done. I think Infinity’s trying to throw out a bit too much shade for his own good.
Agreed. Don't like it
Feels like setting up a mislim on me later (though tbf gamma dying takes away from this a bit)
In post 2014, VP Baltar wrote:Geraintm is either VT trying to eat a yeet for the greater good, or plain old scum. Given the complete lack of engagement, I think it is the latter.

It's been nice playing with you all. Remember, I'll be looking down on you from heaven like Mufasa.
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Nah, I'm just running and gunning. If gerain flips red I'm for sure dead....

...

...

Less them docs on me!
Feels like trying to look ignorant of the flip and pretend he thinks he'll be NKed. I don't see town say things like this very often.
Clown town case, honk honk.


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Post Post #2210 (isolation #264) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:44 pm

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In post 2208, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2202, VP Baltar wrote:Clown town case, honk honk.


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I honestly need to do some thinking and rereading of gamma.
I don't like this reaction to it, it's like discrediting Infinty only to just yeet right back and change topic.
Mostly, I'm not sure I believe infinity here. I find the claim under little pressure pretty suspect. It's also a very safe claim that would be unprovable over time.

That being said, I can see the case on Koba a bit as well.

DGB looks more town for just throwing a bomb. I think rereading gamma will help enlighten whether the above suspicious make sense or not. I'm not going to do that tonight though given the time.
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #265) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:57 pm

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In post 2211, DkKoba wrote:is "discrediting" autoscum behavior now?
No. Every attack can be claimed as discrediting. I think intent matters
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Post Post #2216 (isolation #266) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:00 pm

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In post 2215, DkKoba wrote:"This is discrediting" ok but how is it scummy
Oh got you. Yeah, fair question to those folks
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #267) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm

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In post 2217, DkKoba wrote:The people on the gerain wagon not even bothering looking on the wagon and going straight for me esp when the logic was that gerain was my partner so imma need some explanations there
Who is your top on the gerain wagon?
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #268) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:19 pm

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Mark I suppose
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Post Post #2223 (isolation #269) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:47 pm

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What is WIM?
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #270) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:53 pm

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What does the acronym stand for? I'm unfamiliar
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #271) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:51 am

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I really don't get this "town with low motivation" thing or why you're assigning that status to DGB.
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #272) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:15 am

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In post 2237, Infinity 324 wrote:She hasn't been super active
She's been active at times, and besides, I don't see much outside of normal DGB play. I would suspect she has been reading along and posted less when there wasn't much interesting going on (which definitely happened D1).

Idk, seems like you're talking about something you don't have much insight into.
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Post Post #2249 (isolation #273) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:31 am

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Ok, so yeah, the math on infinity's claim is that he was at L-3 when he claimed. That seems exceptionally antsy when the threshold today is L-6 and I had intentionally avoided not voting there. I really don't get how you as town yesterday walked right up to the razor's edge (think you were L-2 yday with people saying they'd be willing to elim you) and not claim, but then claim today quite early when you think there is a guilty on you. It was a serious "flinch too early" if you're town.
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Post Post #2252 (isolation #274) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:45 am

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Rereading Gamma's iso, he was going at infinity pretty hard at the end of D1 as well. Earlier in the day, he was after Jackson pretty hard.

A few slight jabs at Andres and mark, but nothing as serious there.

I absolutely think there was scum on the geraint wagon, but possibly later in the day. I'm a bit skeptical that both geraintm and infinity were town being run up because it just felt like a lot of resistance. Obviously without daytalk, scum are going to have a harder time coordinating their actions...but why the heck would they slow walk two town wagons?

Mark, I'm not following your logic that scum is most likely in the people who wanted geraintm as a primary choice. Hell, gamma wanted him as a primary choice.
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Post Post #2253 (isolation #275) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:46 am

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who in this game has a decent amount of experience playing with gamma (3+ games)?
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #276) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:54 am

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In post 2254, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think the number of votes on me matters if there's a guilty
It matters if you're the town's primary form of investigation. I mean, I would expect that play from a noob...
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Post Post #2259 (isolation #277) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:55 am

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In post 2258, Not_Mafia wrote:So was the guilty real?
Doesn't seem so. Seemed like a play by DGB
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Post Post #2267 (isolation #278) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 2260, Marky Mark wrote:Put another way, being a primary geraint voter doesn't make people automatically scum, but it does give them in a general sense a higher liklihood of being scum, so it seems more fruitful to give more focus to looking for potential scum in this subset
I get what you're saying. Just not sure I agree with the premise that either side of that is particularly higher likelihood. I can see from a statistics point of few how that makes sense though.
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #279) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 2265, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2263, Marky Mark wrote:Am I missing something? We don't know the setup so nobody ccing you doesn't rule out you being the scum
I mean sure, a normal could theoretically have no investigatives, but it's unlikely enough that we can wait until massclaim to figure it out.
lol, this is terrible logic. If I think you're the most likely to be scum today, you better believe I'm going to try to yeet you, regardless of whatever your claim.
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #280) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 2255, Infinity 324 wrote:Me but too long ago to be relevant I think
how long ago is too long ago?
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #281) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:06 am

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I also have to go for the afternoon. Might post again before sleep tonight, but I've accomplished what I planned for the day. Eager to hear from some others.
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #282) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:59 am

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In post 2457, Tayl0r Swift wrote:and VP should be pushing me today for that. wheres the pressure?
This screams scum trying to get on the offensive before the tables turn.

I already pressured this yesterday because your progression on infinity was basically pulled out of hat. I spent my first part of posting today pressuring infinity's bonkers claim (which I don't think you did ?) and rereading gamma as I said I wanted to. Then I said I had to leave for the evening.

To attack me and say 'why isn't VP on me!' when I already said I was going to be gone is a cheap shot smear, imo.

Do not like.


Koba, your basic premise is that you are very good at reading VTs and that's how you know your target on mark is scum? Were you reading him as a binary choice of VT or scum yesterday?
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Post Post #2488 (isolation #283) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:06 am

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Also, the people attacking koba's claim, it is very clear looking at their iso that they are being genuine about the info. Seems like a very pointless scum play if scum.
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Post Post #2489 (isolation #284) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:36 am

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In post 2453, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so scum killed on wagon implying that there was probably one scum on wagon and two off wagon right?

out of the people off-wagon (andres, gerain, dkk, JV, NM), gerain is dead, andres is likely town, JV is fairly likely town. that leaves DkK and NM.
Don't agree with this at all. Just finished a game where this happened and there were two scum on the wagon. I don't think you can come to that conclusion, and I don't like that you're trying to so you can justify a Koba vote.
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Post Post #2491 (isolation #285) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:32 am

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In post 2481, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Infinity

If Taylor was scum she'd have stopped posting a while ago
Everyone acting scummy this game is too scummy to be scum haha
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #286) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:37 am

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In post 2490, Tayl0r Swift wrote:interesting
Why do you just buy infinity's claim? And before you say you don't, you're voting with him.

Further, do you think Koba is lying about being a mailman? If no, why are they scum here? What's the play?
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Post Post #2494 (isolation #287) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:05 am

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In post 2493, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i dont think that they're a simple town mailman though.
Why in the bloody hell would they publicize a result then? Wouldn't they just wait till night and then ice Mark?
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #288) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:18 am

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That's incredibly dumb play.

I don't think Koba is a dumb person.
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #289) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:29 am

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In post 2497, Tayl0r Swift wrote:well if koba is town its still dumb play. koba outed a PR and claimed when the result doesnt imply a guilty. i think its less dumb as scum.
If they think they caught scum, it's not stupid. I'll wait for Koba to respond to my question.

Back on infinity, do you believe his claim or not?
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #290) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 2502, Flavor Leaf wrote:Infinity and Kkoba were the other wagons from yesterday, and now they're the ones today. I think both of their alignments become super obvious as the game goes on, so it might be worth going elsewhere. They've also both claimed PR.
Fair enough.

My problem with infinity is idk if that will become clearer, but willing to give a day and see what happens.

I'm interested in hearing from Andres when he gets around today. Obviously a lot of pages to catch up on.

Have some other spots I want to poke when I have some time to reread as well.
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #291) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:46 am

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Happy cake day FL
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #292) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:02 am

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In post 2514, Tayl0r Swift wrote:A50 what is your scumgame like and how will i recognize it?
I disagree with you a lot, but was literally just thinking I cannot read A50 or mark at all through their politeness.
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Post Post #2600 (isolation #293) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:30 pm

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VOTE: taylor

I personally feel it is improbable that completely random events led to three PRs being outted, but I'm willing to let it ride for a night and see what info we get.

Taylor, meanwhile, has been acting in pretty bad faith in her interactions throughout the game I feel. She seems to take the worst possible read on any situation. Her progression on infinity yesterday is also hella scummy if you believe infinity!town. I've already pointed out her very weak smear attempt on me today too. So yeah.
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Post Post #2602 (isolation #294) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:25 pm

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In post 2601, JacksonVirgo wrote:UNVOTE:

I'm off to work post soon
Weren't you just going after Koba? Curious on your reason for this unvote.
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Post Post #2607 (isolation #295) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:09 pm

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In post 2605, JacksonVirgo wrote:I was only really voting them for pressure, I think they’re likely Town and/or self resolvable as I believe Inhinted at with my questions and said bluntly.
When did you start to think Koba was town?
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #296) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:17 pm

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Koba has the most verified claim at this point, which they made under no real threat of yeet. Either you think they are terrible at playing, or they made a dumb move as town.

I feel like a real Koba shill at this point, but jesus! I don't really follow the Koba is scum logic here.
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #297) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:50 am

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In post 2618, Tayl0r Swift wrote:VOTE: dgb

by my count thats L-2
Convenient vote is convenient
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #298) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 am

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Do you think Koba is scum?
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #299) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 am

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In post 2623, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am vanilla and have too many toen reads, nothing of value will have been lost.
But....I need people with brains to back me up here...


Anyhow, I'm very comfortable in taking Taylor up on her proposition. I think scum is far more likely in the Taylor, infinity combo (possibly in A50 or Mark, though less likely), than in DGB. I know I'm town and will happily put my life on the line for this bargain. Plus it helps clean up the geraintm wagon further, which is bad for scum.
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #300) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:11 am

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Lol only scum try to WIFOM like that
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Post Post #2629 (isolation #301) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:14 am

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Only outlier here is if Taylor and DGB are partners. It'd be weird for them to get backed into a 1v1 together D2, but it's also the type of move that "clears" someone late into the game.

The fact Taylor is being super fatalistic with two votes on her is giving me pause.
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #302) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:15 am

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Why is Andres top tier town when we haven't even heard from him yet today?
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Post Post #2632 (isolation #303) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:23 am

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Why is he top tier town then? Idgi
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Post Post #2634 (isolation #304) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:33 am

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In post 2633, DrippingGoofball wrote:Tayl0r can't read me. I am always scum to her.
So you're saying this is a genuine read?
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Post Post #2638 (isolation #305) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:48 am

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Fatality
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Post Post #2641 (isolation #306) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:07 am

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Let's assume that my theory is correct that one of these groups of people from the geraintm wagon has at least one scum in them.

It's still not the full picture. I'm off work tomorrow. Hoping to take a closer look at A50, Jackson and some of the more peripheral players then.

Yo, NM, what are your thoughts on this Taylor/DGB fight?
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #307) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:28 am

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I am going to have to read your scum guide Flavor because everytime you post, I agree. And that concerns me because I'm paranoid.
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Post Post #2650 (isolation #308) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:04 am

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In post 2648, DkKoba wrote:im off of work for at least 24 hours what's up fuckers
Get crazy. You think Andres is going to join us soon?
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Post Post #2659 (isolation #309) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:25 am

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In post 2658, Marky Mark wrote:VP hasn't changed much from what I said yesterday - he has largely been after low-info slots other than his push on Taylor, which makes getting a strong read on him tricky.
Uh...who are the low info slots I'm after today?
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Post Post #2662 (isolation #310) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:30 am

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In post 2660, Marky Mark wrote:^That was yesterday mate
You said I haven't changed much from yesterday, implying I'm still doing that "other than taylor"
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Post Post #2666 (isolation #311) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:36 am

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Ok, I guess I misread what you were saying.
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Post Post #2672 (isolation #312) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:04 pm

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Interesting. Wasn't expecting DGB to go after mark hard
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Post Post #2674 (isolation #313) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:23 pm

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In post 2673, Infinity 324 wrote:VP, where are you at with this game? Willing to admit I could be wrong on some reads.
You mean like a full reads list?
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Post Post #2676 (isolation #314) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:37 pm

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In post 2675, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.
Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

Part of me wants Jackson to be scum, but they also post some pretty towny things so I'm having a harder time with that.

I think FL and Koba are quite town given how transparent they are, but I'm also paranoid I could be getting duped.

I think your claim is pretty suss in an unforced error way.

DGB could be smart scum here. She has fooled me before. But overall, my reads have been aligning with hers, so I'm either way off base or we are both town.

Andres was feeling more towny to me EOD D1, but I'm waiting for him to weigh in.

A50 is pretty much wallpaper up until this point, but I wasn't really pinged by zdenek.

N_M is a blank slate.

I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.
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Post Post #2679 (isolation #315) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:52 pm

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In post 2676, VP Baltar wrote:I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.
That should say nullish. Autocorrect got me
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Post Post #2681 (isolation #316) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:56 pm

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In post 2678, Infinity 324 wrote:I understand you don't like her progression on me, but I don't see the scum motivation for it.
You kidding?

If you are town, finding a reason to flop off the wagon that is going to flip town is good for scum. Makes analysis later much harder. Both of you ended up on geraintm later, but that was also after I pressured her.

In terms of people controlling discussion but not being suspected, mark could fall into that category. You and Taylor as well. I'll be surprised if you are both town.
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #317) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:57 pm

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In post 2680, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think VP is implying that my progression on you comes from us both being scum, i.e. i scumread you to distance from you all day, but then when other people started scumreading you i backed off so youd be less likely to die. its a pre-flip associative read that ignores the actual context of why my read on you changed.
That's possible too, but I don't think you both absolutely have to be scum in this scenario
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Post Post #2684 (isolation #318) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:03 pm

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If I was scum, I doubt I'd be hitching my wagon to Koba. If they flip scum, I fully expect to eat a misyeet (and probably deserve it)


Reality is, you two have the highest scum equity imo
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Post Post #2689 (isolation #319) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:13 pm

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In post 2685, DkKoba wrote:what if the missing piece of the puzzle all along was NM being mafia?
Yeah, I mean, someone vig that mfer
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Post Post #2690 (isolation #320) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:14 pm

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In post 2688, Tayl0r Swift wrote:can you lay out the cases on me and infinity please?
I've already explained why I find you both scummy
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Post Post #2691 (isolation #321) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:15 pm

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In post 2687, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not sure how you think me and taylor are controlling the discussion,
You both talk a lot, which in this game is equal to controlling and influencing discussion.

Plus you seem to be aligning together, which is more power.
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Post Post #2733 (isolation #322) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:41 am

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In post 2693, DkKoba wrote:vp can i ask u where ur head is at rn
Sorry, was sleeping and missed tipsy time. I posted an updated impressions of everyone though.
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Post Post #2738 (isolation #323) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:02 am

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In post 2734, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2699, DkKoba wrote:im tipsy asf and drunk me does NOT TRUST THAT ANDRES IS AVOIDING THIS GAME
I’m not avoiding the game I’m like 40 pages behind and RL happened.
Alot of it is bickering you can speed through
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Post Post #2740 (isolation #324) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:34 am

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In post 2739, DkKoba wrote:Hi I'm hungover
BUT IM HERE NOW
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Post Post #2742 (isolation #325) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:08 am

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Hi. I have coffee.

Anyhow, deep dive for me a little later today.

Did you find my "where's VP's head at?" post?
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Post Post #2744 (isolation #326) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:15 am

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In post 2743, DkKoba wrote:no i didnt im just trying to get some good vibes rn bc i hungover as fuck
Aspirin and water life
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Post Post #2755 (isolation #327) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:46 am

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In post 2751, Marky Mark wrote:This just makes me scratch my head on why he found geraint actively scummy as opposed to simply in the nullish low-info bracket like n_m (it is very possible that he has explained this somewhere and I have missed it)
I don't remember if I explained it before, but very happy to now. Some of what bugged me about geraintm was that a) his postings were much more on the IIoA side of things. I didn't feel like he was genuinely scumhunting. b) he didnt really respond to pressure at all. It felt like he was ignoring my calls for his yeet, which is something I might do if I was scum being low activity. Try to wait it out.
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Post Post #2758 (isolation #328) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:50 am

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In post 2751, Marky Mark wrote:Like I also found geraint scummy initially, but then when other players explained that was par for him I went and read his gamesd and moved him to the null/low-info bin so I'm just curious why VP kept on active scumreading him in contrast to someone like n_m
I would also say that I don't overthink D1 too much. If I have a twinge on someone, I will follow through. We learn more by getting a yeet done than agonizing about it forever necessarily. I don't think there was a huge distinction between NM and geraint necessarily. but I'll yeet where it feels more scummy.
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Post Post #2759 (isolation #329) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:52 am

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In post 2757, Tayl0r Swift wrote:but i told you that it was NAI for gerain. and you said prove me wrong by going there, which town eventually did. you dont seem to have eaten humble pie at all.
lol, you want me to flog myself?
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Post Post #2762 (isolation #330) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:55 am

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In post 2760, Tayl0r Swift wrote:trust me
I will trust you when you earn it. We are defintiely not in alignment in our reads, which is probably the foundation of trust in this game, right?
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Post Post #2764 (isolation #331) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:58 am

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In post 2676, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2675, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.
Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

Part of me wants Jackson to be scum, but they also post some pretty towny things so I'm having a harder time with that.

I think FL and Koba are quite town given how transparent they are, but I'm also paranoid I could be getting duped.

I think your claim is pretty suss in an unforced error way.

DGB could be smart scum here. She has fooled me before. But overall, my reads have been aligning with hers, so I'm either way off base or we are both town.

Andres was feeling more towny to me EOD D1, but I'm waiting for him to weigh in.

A50 is pretty much wallpaper up until this point, but I wasn't really pinged by zdenek.

N_M is a blank slate.

I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.
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Post Post #2772 (isolation #332) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:16 am

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In post 2765, Tayl0r Swift wrote:mark wasnt even on that list but iirc mark is a scumread of yours?
I never said that.

I mean, I'm really not a readslist person. There are a couple reasons for that. First, I'll fully reevaluate any read based on evidence I trust. I try to have a flexible mind and be open about things...which is maybe something scum exploit I guess. The second reason I don't like to readslist is because I don't like doing it in my scum game. That's maybe not great for town all the time, but I do play to win regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #2774 (isolation #333) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:19 am

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I think mark is probably town here, if I wasn't clear.
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Post Post #2779 (isolation #334) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 2775, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 2772, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2765, Tayl0r Swift wrote:mark wasnt even on that list but iirc mark is a scumread of yours?
I never said that.

I mean, I'm really not a readslist person. There are a couple reasons for that. First, I'll fully reevaluate any read based on evidence I trust. I try to have a flexible mind and be open about things...which is maybe something scum exploit I guess. The second reason I don't like to readslist is because I don't like doing it in my scum game. That's maybe not great for town all the time, but I do play to win regardless of alignment.
ok but a lot of those reads were pretty fence-sitty. the townreads in particular were hedged with paranoia, so you can easily turn around and push there later. what is your read on mark then? and if you had to give a gun-to-head scumteam, what would it be?
Yeah. I'm a suspicious and paranoid person. I think my biggest fear in any game is that I'm getting duped by my town reads. I don't really care if I take heat for that. I try to look for people whose reads I align with or that I feel like have a transparency to their posting. Either of those things could be wrong on my part, but that's how I try to find my town reads. I have to question myself constantly though about whether I'm reading a person right and not just getting tricked.

The reason I think Mark is town is that he is just posting ALOT the seems to be genuine searching to me. I don't really agree with his push on koba, but he isn't overreacting there either. He didn't flip out in a weird way when he was "caught" by a night action. Even his questioning of me about geraintm vs. NM seems genuinely trying to figure out thought process rather than working backward from a conclusion.

If I had to shoot three players right now and hope I hit scum, it'd probably be {taylor, NM, andres} perhaps. I'm not entirely convinced on any of those. I think I've explained why I find you scummy. I started thinking about NM more and really feel like he's just ignoring even when I do try to interact with him, so that is weird. Andres is basically just a gut shot and PoE. I fully admit I could be getting fooled by one of {koba, DGB} here, but they wouldn't be my first picks to eliminate.

If I took a broader view of a scum pool, I'd probably tier people together as decisions I have to make. I don't think I'd want to yeet FL, Mark or koba unless I see some evidence via night actions. Of the remaining people, I think it's very likely there is at least one scum in {infinity, taylor}, which would leave possibly two scum in {andres, DGB, NM, A50, Jackson}. Those aren't bad odds in my opinion.
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Post Post #2780 (isolation #335) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:39 am

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I find it weird you're investing so much time in my opinion, taylor, given you think I'm scum here.
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Post Post #2784 (isolation #336) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:49 am

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In post 2565, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2481, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Infinity

If Taylor was scum she'd have stopped posting a while ago
'K, but what's your case on Infinity?
In post 2568, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2483, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: Tayl0r
Even more confusing a vote (to me)
Hey A50, I'd love to hear your thoughts more indepth on infinity and Taylor. Where do you stand on them and why? Your second post in the game, you said there was absolutely scum within {infinity, taylor, VP} because we were first to post in the game.
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Post Post #2785 (isolation #337) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:00 am

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In post 2783, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
it could be paranoia, but it feels like youre hesitant to engage with me for other reasons.
I think I've answered every question you asked.


Anyhow, I'm not going to butt heads with you about whether I think you're acting in good faith now after I pointed out you were not. I'll keep answering questions, but don't expect me to easily be won over through engagement alone because that's super easy to fake as scum, especially if you've been called on it. If you are town here, that will be evident over time. However, if you're town, I think your reads suck.
taylor wrote:so im trying to get you to towntell for me so that either i can work with you or flip my reads around or get you to spew your partners.
This is my town game. It doesn't get more town than this. shrug.

As far as partners, your operating assumption is the team is {VPB, koba, DGB}. I think that's incorrect, but hey let's flip someone and find out. I think town!Taylor is going to be in a very bad spot figuring out the game if that's the limited viewpoint you're coming from.
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Post Post #2786 (isolation #338) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:01 am

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In post 2520, Almost50 wrote:I am seeing my name thrown around, but I'm not going to interrupt my catch up process, so if anything requires a response from me, please be patient.
Are you still catching up, or...?
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Post Post #2789 (isolation #339) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:04 am

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In post 2787, Infinity 324 wrote:Taylor's effort to engage with VP here is ++town
:facepalm:
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Post Post #2790 (isolation #340) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:10 am

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Current VC after me quickly running through the past 12 pages.

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate someone.

VPB: 2 (Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift )
Infinity 324: 2 (Not_Mafia, DkKoba)
DrippingGoofball: 2 (Flavor Leaf, Marky Mark, )
Tayl0r Swift: 2 (DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar)

Not Voting: 3 (Andresvmb, Almost50, JacksonVirgo)
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Post Post #2794 (isolation #341) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:24 am

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In post 2793, Infinity 324 wrote:There's really no scum motivation for engaging with your scumreads.
Scum motivation would be to shake me off wouldn't it? I'm the major person calling for her yeet today. Winning me over dissolves any pressure there. Plus, bad faith arguments was the very thing I called her out for. Fixing that undercuts my point quite directly.

You two are either working in tandem or one of you is getting duped here.
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Post Post #2795 (isolation #342) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:25 am

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Taylor, why is A50 town again? You might have answered this already.
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Post Post #2801 (isolation #343) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:38 am

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FL, maybe I need a mediator here. I'm not seeing town Taylor. Please explain to me what you're seeing and why I'm wrong
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Post Post #2821 (isolation #344) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:48 am

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In post 2818, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2815, Marky Mark wrote:I don't suppose you fancy articulating why you are voting VP, N_M?
He just feels kinda off
off how?
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Post Post #2832 (isolation #345) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:11 am

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Mark, how are you feeling about A50?

pedit: A50, didn't I ask you a question a short bit ago?
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Post Post #2870 (isolation #346) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:37 pm

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In post 2869, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2867, Almost50 wrote:@DGB: Boredom? What do you mean BOREDOM? Am I not entertaining enough?? :P
You're the most entertaining!
rude
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Post Post #2872 (isolation #347) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:49 pm

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DGB -- why were you suspicious of Infinity at the start of the day?
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Post Post #2873 (isolation #348) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:50 pm

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I read FL's scum guide. First, well written. Definitely a lot of how I play scum in there. Second, it sort of makes me feel better that FL isn't scum here.
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Post Post #2874 (isolation #349) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:51 pm

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In post 2850, Flavor Leaf wrote:The gamestate has turned into a situation where VP is legitimately the best fade today, and I don't like that
you mean best or most likely here?

I probably don't agree with either point, but there's a difference.
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Post Post #2877 (isolation #350) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:30 pm

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In post 2875, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2874, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2850, Flavor Leaf wrote:The gamestate has turned into a situation where VP is legitimately the best fade today, and I don't like that
you mean best or most likely here?

I probably don't agree with either point, but there's a difference.
“Best”

Specifically with the quotes
Do you think there is info to be gained from my flip?
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Post Post #2880 (isolation #351) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:50 pm

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Non-voters should vote so we can see where the popular wagons are.
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Post Post #2889 (isolation #352) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:10 pm

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In post 2886, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, you have a strong wagon, it could clear the wagon or damn it depending on your alignment. I'd rather not misfade, and I feel you're likely more of a misfade, so I'd rather go on your wagon.
Now with Andres voting Taylor, how do you feel? I personally don't think there are the votes to support my yeet.
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Post Post #2891 (isolation #353) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:12 pm

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I may be willing to take a flyer on DGB today too. Something about the second vanilla claim isn't working for me
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #354) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:23 pm

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In post 2898, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2896, DkKoba wrote:
In post 2893, Infinity 324 wrote:Taylor is so transparently town.
what are u doing when they flip scum ?
Infinity is most likely posturing as Scum. They’re never posting this for a Partner - it’s too early.

I seriously would much rather execute Infinity. The detective claim is useless.
I would agree it is unlikely they are both scum here. I really can't tell who is worse
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Post Post #2908 (isolation #355) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:51 pm

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In post 2906, Infinity 324 wrote:Have you ever seen a mini normal with no major investigatives?
So your argument is unless someone CC's you, you are obv town? I mean...
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Post Post #2921 (isolation #356) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:37 pm

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I have a hard time believing scum!Andres comes in and pitches something like yeet infinity here. Strong town vibes from that push.
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #357) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:09 pm

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In post 2927, DkKoba wrote:what the fuck
DGB still a town read for you?
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Post Post #2933 (isolation #358) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:10 pm

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Andres, can you read my back and forth with Taylor today? Would love your thoughts if I'm off base.
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #359) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:25 pm

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In post 2937, Andresvmb wrote:And btw, you all know I can push something aggressively and be wrong. So I want to see some pushback and other points of view here.
For sure. Idk if I would risk infinity today. But it is a town push
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #360) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:11 pm

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In post 2949, Flavor Leaf wrote:VP stating Andres came in pushing Infinity the way they did, when they actually pushed Taylor first.
What I'm saying is I don't think a scum!Andres touches infinity there. It's a risky proposition. More risk than scum would need to take.
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Post Post #2973 (isolation #361) » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:16 pm

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In post 2970, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2968, Flavor Leaf wrote:You wanna test me? Put Taylor to L-1, watch how fast I’ll hammer
I did already
HYYYYYPE
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #362) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:23 am

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In post 2991, JacksonVirgo wrote:I skimmed the game kinda when I could yesterday and this morning and my town bracket probably contains Mark, Koba, VP, Flavor, A50, Andres and Infinity
Had Andres posted by the time you skimmed?
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Post Post #3035 (isolation #363) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:25 am

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Is FL on the taylor wagon, or...
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #364) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:42 am

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In post 3045, Andresvmb wrote:I also still very much think Infinity is correct.
You mean you think infinity is the correct yeet today?
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Post Post #3054 (isolation #365) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:06 am

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In post 3053, Andresvmb wrote:They’ve reacted suspiciously under pressure, have made some declarative statements I really don’t understand, and they really believe the idea that their Claim should make them close to Confirmed Town and immune from pressure. Outside of the fact that they’ve been pressuring Town slots repeatedly. I’m baffled.
I agree with all that and will say I am worried infinity's claim is so unprovable that we get two days down the line and he is still alive. (Basically, exactly what I did in our previous game together.)
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Post Post #3070 (isolation #366) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 am

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I mean it is weird infinity was saying at the time it was a reaction test (which if true, why would you ever claim???), but then is saying he assumed it was a true guilty.

Also, if you are town! infinity and make a collosal fuck up like that by claiming, why assume Koba is scum and not also town who fucked up?
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #367) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:56 am

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I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?
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Post Post #3159 (isolation #368) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:58 am

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In post 3158, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3157, VP Baltar wrote:I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?
Silence scum
Moooove over, I'm coming through
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #369) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:00 am

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FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor
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Post Post #3167 (isolation #370) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:06 am

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Looks like I Beetlejuiced the scum at least
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Post Post #3171 (isolation #371) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 3169, DkKoba wrote:
In post 3164, Andresvmb wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don’t know if I’m going to vote Tayl0r. This whole argument just gave me a bad taste. I’m going to sit here for now.
what the fuck are you doing??
Agree, this is a waste of time. Flip Taylor and then we will unlock the rest of that puzzle
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Post Post #3173 (isolation #372) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:08 am

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In post 3172, Andresvmb wrote:I’m just going to point out that you appear to have the same single SR as Infinity. I think that you both being Scum together isn’t likely. So one of you is potentially pocketing the other. Infinity already mentioned that this could be happening, but dismissed it.
I've said this alot. They aren't both town here.
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Post Post #3180 (isolation #373) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:14 am

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In post 3177, Andresvmb wrote:Again that whole conversation left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I might very much come back and vote Tayl0r. But I do want to make my views crystal clear. There’s value in that.
Sure. I actually think it is good you pushed on FL. It's a different dynamic. I just don't think the votes are there. Plus I think we should resolve a slot that was on the geraintm wagon.
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Post Post #3278 (isolation #374) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:09 am

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VOTE: taylor

This hasn't changed as the right play despite the drama.
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Post Post #3293 (isolation #375) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:17 am

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In post 3289, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 3278, VP Baltar wrote:VOTE: taylor

This hasn't changed as the right play despite the drama.
I disagree, but at any rate, I think we benefit here from having some time to revaluate things in light of the new alignment info
You mean FL being town? I already said as much. That doesn't change Taylor scum here.

Take all the time you need I guess
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Post Post #3302 (isolation #376) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:27 am

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In post 3274, Tayl0r Swift wrote:poe atm is sorta {JV, VPB, DGB, A50, NM}. but A50 was so towny early on. and NM is shockingly towny recently. andres im much less confident on now. but actually i dunno why scum!andres pockets me yesterday and then doesnt try to townbloc today.

so i kinda feel like its just {JV, VPB, DGB}. except i also kinda wanna townread DGB. so maybe infinity? but no... its not infinity, either.

VOTE: jacsonvirgo.

would love to flip VPB, too.
High scum equity between Jackson and Taylor when taylor flips red here btw.

Despite blathering constantly about wanting to vote me, she doesn't because she knows me flipping green is bad for her.

Scum in that scenario might throw a vote to a buddy if the wagon is going nowhere
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Post Post #3307 (isolation #377) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:32 am

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In post 3303, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 3302, VP Baltar wrote:High scum equity between Jackson and Taylor when taylor flips red here btw.

Despite blathering constantly about wanting to vote me, she doesn't because she knows me flipping green is bad for her.

Scum in that scenario might throw a vote to a buddy if the wagon is going nowhere
What? She's been voting you this entire day phase but your wagon wasn't going anywhere.
There has never been more openness to my wagon as there is right now, imo. If she legit wanted to flip me, now would be the time to make the push.
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Post Post #3311 (isolation #378) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:39 am

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In post 3308, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 3307, VP Baltar wrote:There has never been more openness to my wagon as there is right now, imo.
Uh

Who is willing to vote you besides me, her, and n_m? Nothing changed
Didn't FL express some openness to it? That's the primary switch I would target if I was trying to get me yeeted.
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Post Post #3316 (isolation #379) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:43 am

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In post 3314, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 3311, VP Baltar wrote:Didn't FL express some openness to it? That's the primary switch I would target if I was trying to get me yeeted.
Pretty sure he just wants DGB or andres
Andres ain't gonna happen. That feels like TvT.

If we flip DGB and she's green, does that change your perspective on Taylor at all infinity?
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Post Post #3321 (isolation #380) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:08 pm

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In post 3318, Infinity 324 wrote:Not really, I just have a soul read on taylor. My PoE is {jv, DGB, A50, VP, n_m}.
This is how I know one of you is scum pocketing the other. You literally have the same exact PoE.

That's just silly and should make you suspicious if you're town. I have strong town reads on Koba, FL and Andres, but I don't expect my reads to line up perfect with theirs. That would be a huge red flag for me if it was all so perfect.

I'm half inclined to say flip me today because I think the scum have backed themselves into a corner. If flipping me shows that, all the better.
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Post Post #3323 (isolation #381) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:14 pm

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In post 3322, Infinity 324 wrote:It’s called mindmelding.
I am truly going to savor this 'I told you so'
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Post Post #3325 (isolation #382) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:23 pm

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In post 3324, Infinity 324 wrote:Fully willing to devour my hat in postgame if I’m wrong.
Or we could just win this game. I mean, what flip is going to open your eyes here?

That's the confounding part of this. You now know I was correct about town reading Koba. I was correct about FL. We agree on Andres.
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Post Post #3330 (isolation #383) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:30 pm

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In post 3329, Andresvmb wrote:Also @Infinity you may want to retract that your Claim makes you Confirmed Town, since FL is functionally an investigative based on what they’ve revealed so far. Just a random thought.
Huh? Isn't he a friendly neighbor? That's more like an IC than an investigative
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Post Post #3339 (isolation #384) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:45 pm

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In post 3338, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3330, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3329, Andresvmb wrote:Also @Infinity you may want to retract that your Claim makes you Confirmed Town, since FL is functionally an investigative based on what they’ve revealed so far. Just a random thought.
Huh? Isn't he a friendly neighbor? That's more like an IC than an investigative
That’s the point I was trying to make that Andres TMI’d Koba as town
ok. just about to finish work so I can fully reread this interaction. maybe I missed something while skimming.
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Post Post #3366 (isolation #385) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:51 pm

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In post 3208, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i feel like ive obvtowned as much as i possibly can this game. some people refuse to see it and some people are conveniently pretending they dont see it. and maybe one or two people are just scared that their townread is wrong so theyre letting themselves be pressured into voting me. im pretty confident infinity is town though. and i still think andres is town. and NM is probtown, shockingly. unless his 20 words were enough to pocket me.
Has anyone else noticed how much Taylor does this AtE shit? I'm so town. :roll:

It's constant. Just seeing that more explicitly since this is one of the few times I've had to read a lot of pages without being up to speed.
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #386) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:52 pm

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In post 3213, DkKoba wrote:as a last ditch "look im towny im about to get elimmed and im giving reads so towny uwu poor me"
lol ^ exactly this.
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Post Post #3368 (isolation #387) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:54 pm

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In post 3221, Flavor Leaf wrote:The one game I’ve seen Andres in, he was not at all like this. He was more sheepy and passive.
That ain't accurate then.

This bulldog behavior is exactly how andres acted when I was scum and it was a big pain in my ass to deal with.

Honestly, reading this interaction between FL and andres closely now, I agree with andres that you're giving pretty uncharitable readings of the situation FL.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #388) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:05 pm

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In post 3280, Flavor Leaf wrote:A Regular Friendly Neighbor doesn’t know their target is town, you role copped me and are TMI’ing right now.
Very confused how you're coming to the conclusion you were rolecopped, but maybe you explain this in the next couple pages.
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Post Post #3375 (isolation #389) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:21 pm

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alright.

I'm fully caught up now. I still feel confident in Taylor, but now taylor saying they suspect infinity is tripping me up. Maybe infinity is the scum here? IDK. They're not both town.

DGB-Mark is another combo that could be 1scum v 1 town.
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Post Post #3376 (isolation #390) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:28 pm

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What I see is: conf!town gamma was poking around Taylor, Jackson on D1. Gamma and I were vibing from the start yesterday.

Since then, Koba is likely town through actions (also suspected Taylor for a long time), Andres hard defended Koba many times while Infiity/Taylor went off on them. FL is mod confirmed town (though idk if Koba said explicitly they received that message? It was implied, but maybe would be good for koba to hard confirm).

so I have all my town reads town reading each other (except the FL/andres fight) or having actions that prove them, or confirmed town by death.

On the other side is infinity/taylor/dgb/A50/Mark/NM.

I go back and forth on DGB/Mark. Neither is wowing me. NM I can't read, but has mostly targeted town players I think? A50 is also a bump on a log who apparently just doesn't vote for people?
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Post Post #3378 (isolation #391) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:45 pm

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In post 3376, VP Baltar wrote:(though idk if Koba said explicitly they received that message? It was implied, but maybe would be good for koba to hard confirm).
Can you confirm this?
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Post Post #3385 (isolation #392) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:15 pm

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In post 3380, DkKoba wrote:
In post 3378, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3376, VP Baltar wrote:(though idk if Koba said explicitly they received that message? It was implied, but maybe would be good for koba to hard confirm).
Can you confirm this?
I can confirm i know fl is town
All I needed to know
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #393) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:18 pm

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In post 3379, JacksonVirgo wrote:Why is FL mod confirmed town? I’m on my rest break which is ending in 3 minutes
He claimed friendly neighbor who sent a message to Koba overnight. Koba confirmed they know FL is town. Unless they are scum together, FL is town
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Post Post #3390 (isolation #394) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:21 pm

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In post 3389, Flavor Leaf wrote:Ah. I hate every time the votes go up with her.
Why? Isn't everyone on there largely a town read? I mean, that's my judge of things right now. Where is the consensus of people I find town? I don't like being out front on another wagon today because if I fuck up, I deserve to be yeeted, but Koba was on taylor first and I trust them.
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Post Post #3393 (isolation #395) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 3391, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cuz it feels like she’s specifically calling me out which is working if she’s scum to make me not want her, but then i look at it and she’s only doing it to me, so it feels like it’s a scum move, but it’s a scum move that’s actually working.

Does that make sense?
Sure, I get it. Personal relationships are harder.

I'm honestly willing to die today if that really helps clarify where the good side is today. It's not optimal, but I do think it would make crystal clear that my reads are on point today.
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #396) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:41 pm

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In post 3395, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what if we flip JV? no one townreads that slot.
Nope. Me or you
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Post Post #3397 (isolation #397) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:12 pm

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Gah. I'm in a death tunnel now.

The outside pool of (DGB, a50, mark, NM) certainly has some scum in it. I just have a hard time believing taylor/infinity can both be so bad at their reads this game, pocketing each other, and both still be town.
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Post Post #3399 (isolation #398) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:21 pm

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My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes
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Post Post #3400 (isolation #399) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:22 pm

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Like, if I wasn't yeeting Taylor today, my priority would be DGB>A50>JV
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