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So, this is heaven?In post 23, Noraa wrote:
Whoever told you that is be shading us.In post 22, Zurel wrote:Hello, everyone. This is my first game out of newbie. I heard it's hell out here.
VOTE: Fuzzylogic
*looks at Not_Mafia*
Yeah, I can totally see that.-
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Hey! Nice to see a familiar face among the unknown.In post 30, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
*waves*In post 22, Zurel wrote:Hello, everyone. This is my first game out of newbie. I heard it's hell out here.
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You have no wagon. But I'm sure one can be made if you ask nicely.In post 42, geraintm wrote:should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...
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In post 47, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it
Do you want NM out because they're antitown or because they're scummy? Make up your mind.In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote: nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today-
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Yes, thank you.In post 65, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:. Hey Zurel... welcome to the real game. Glad to met you
Oh, no. Why does this sound like Geraintm? How many people in this game are easy D1's lunches?Disappointed I did not get Jester. I am usually the town elimination bait and can get myself killed without trying.-
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What exactly do you find mildly scummy about NM? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't antitown and scummy hard to tell apart when it comes to meme players like NM?In post 73, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
both, actually. they are antitown, and they'reIn post 71, Zurel wrote:In post 47, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it
Do you want NM out because they're antitown or because they're scummy? Make up your mind.In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote: nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote todaymildlyscummy although it's not a hard read.-
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Why? (For both the town block and the vote)
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Presumably you have never played with Not Mafia?In post 94, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Don't know why Not Mafia is going elimination bait here. Not sure if he joking or trying pull off the I am too scummy to be scum gambit or maybe both. Maybe the best move is to eliminate someone else and have the cop investigate him tonight. Not sure if a NM elimination is the best move for the town but I willing to hear reasons why he is a good elimination for today.-
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Not Mafia is the lunchbait because they're antitown, according to Golden, and hard to read, according to Noraa. Although Golden added that NM was also slightly scummy and I'm still waiting on the explanation for that.
I had never played with NM. But I had read a game they played in and I agree with Taylor that they're easy target for the above excuse and therefore I'm against eliminating them Day 1. I don't know about Geraint, but if he's similar to NM, by the same logic I also am against eliminating him.-
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What is SR?In post 102, JacksonVirgo wrote:It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that-
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Yes, fresh out of the newbie queue.In post 106, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Oh sorry, I assume you're new? SR means scum readIn post 105, Zurel wrote:
What is SR?In post 102, JacksonVirgo wrote:It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that-
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I'll start with my scum reads.In post 108, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.In post 107, Zurel wrote:
Yes, fresh out of the newbie queue.In post 106, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Oh sorry, I assume you're new? SR means scum readIn post 105, Zurel wrote:
What is SR?In post 102, JacksonVirgo wrote:It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that
Also give reasonings where you can.
1) GoldenParadoxIn post 47, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it
For me policy lunch is NAI or I would have read Noraa as scummy too. But it's the contradiction that I find off here. Followed by no explanation as to why NM is mildly scummy.In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote: nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
2) FuzzyLogic
The suggestion sounds good, and yet there is obvious willingness to eliminate NM. Especially when the reason can easily be discerned if you just read the thread. It seems to be a way to cop out of responsibility in case NM is eliminated and flips town.In post 94, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote: Don't know why Not Mafia is going elimination bait here. Not sure if he joking or trying pull off the I am too scummy to be scum gambit or maybe both. Maybe the best move is to eliminate someone else and have the cop investigate him tonight. Not sure if a NM elimination is the best move for the town but I willing to hear reasons why he is a good elimination for today.
Then again it could be just people are too lazy to properly read the thread. You don't seem to read either, and that in and of itself doesn't make you scum.
I don't have a third.
As for town:
1) Noraa
For not pressing on PL on NM. And in particular this post,
2) TaylorIn post 57, Noraa wrote:
The answer was yes ... until I saw this post:In post 48, TheGoldenParadox wrote:@noraa want to join me on that?
Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me. VOTE: GoldenIn post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:pings me as town
Town is paranoid and scared. Aint no town out there handing out town passes for no legit reason. Taylor's entrance post DID NOT say absolutely ANYTHING about her.
I like her stand against easy lunches.
3) GeraintIn post 77, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so im just gonna say now that i will not be voting NM or gerain today. they are both players that dont do a whole lot day 1. NM doesnt really do much even after day 1. but they both do contribute in their own ways, especially as the game progresses. and they are far too easy for scum to push for free kills early that give town little to no info, and they are much easier to actually read later on, particularly gerain.
I don't know why he is an easy lunch since I had never played with him or read his game. But as of right now, he seems town. At least that's how it come off to me.
I can give a 4th and that's you because I like your line of questioning so far. Is this fine?-
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Did you confuse what OMGUS mean, Herta? OMGUS is when you vote someone for voting you. Geraintm didn't vote GoldenParadox because Golden voted him.In post 114, Herta wrote:
I think I caught that you were on him for saying you v Zurel were SvS theatre. Was there more to it?In post 92, geraintm wrote:
I didn'tIn post 66, Herta wrote:
Why you omgus my liege?In post 55, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: the golden paradoxIn post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparkingIn post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the dayIn post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today-
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That seems like a contradiction. Can you please explain?In post 116, Herta wrote:I don't particularly see this as AI for Taylor. Scum can come up with this logic as easy as Town.
I like the rest of the post though especially where you qualify the fuzzy scum read. It really doesn't sound like much of a scum read at all tbh.-
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Is it? I don't really know about the mechanics and terms of mafia.In post 120, Herta wrote:
omgus as in TGP scum read him, so geraintm voted him. Falls into the same theory.In post 118, Zurel wrote:Did you confuse what OMGUS mean, Herta? OMGUS is when you vote someone for voting you. Geraintm didn't vote GoldenParadox because Golden voted him.-
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I see. Thanks.In post 126, JacksonVirgo wrote:Also OMGUS at it's core is essentially retaliatory actions based on being scum-read. Doesn't necessarily need to just be regarding votes but a lot of the time it does regard that.-
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To be honest it was more of a lean scum rather than downright scum. But in a pool of null and some town leans, it was something that stood out, for whatever it was worth.In post 130, Herta wrote:
It's a bit of a change of direction as I was typing it out and rather than starting over I just tried to explain it at the end. Really, I think you prematurely scum read fuzzy based on you qualifying it as him possibly being lazy and not reading the thread.In post 122, Zurel wrote:
That seems like a contradiction. Can you please explain?In post 116, Herta wrote:I don't particularly see this as AI for Taylor. Scum can come up with this logic as easy as Town.
I like the rest of the post though especially where you qualify the fuzzy scum read. It really doesn't sound like much of a scum read at all tbh.-
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In post 131, JacksonVirgo wrote:I saw that shelly lmfao@ModI saw that too.-
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If I really don't know and I can't wiki it, I will ask. And I will ask again even if you think I'm newb!scum.In post 155, Noraa wrote:
You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.In post 105, Zurel wrote:
What is SR?In post 102, JacksonVirgo wrote:It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that
Jacko not suspecting here is strange as well considering Jacko saw two of my first few scum games on site and he knows that I used to pull the noob card hard. I would be like "hmmm so if there's a fn and a tracker, its got to be column a setup"-
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At the risk of using my noob card, what is SL?In post 165, Noraa wrote:Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.-
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Noraa, you can give me as many scum points as you want, as long as you answer.In post 167, Noraa wrote:+2 scum points
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Better than Slow Learner. Which I legit thought what it was.In post 172, Not_Mafia wrote:
Steam LocomotiveIn post 166, Zurel wrote:
At the risk of using my noob card, what is SL?In post 165, Noraa wrote:Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.-
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Why?
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Noraa mentioned two games though.In post 180, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I believe I hosted the game where they used the noob card.In post 179, Zurel wrote:Hmmm...
Here is where I show how easy it is to sow doubt in my mind.
@NoraaHow hard did Jackson go after you for using noob card? I mean, since you guys dug up my game, I can also ask about your games.
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My suspicion isn't on you but on Jackson. If they thought I could try to pocket them, I too can think they're trying to pocket me for giving me an easy towncred. But this Pandora's box was opened by Rock as a possible situation (because how sure are we of our town/scum reads. I personally can't go 100%).In post 185, Noraa wrote:
go dig it up then! I didn't ask you anythingIn post 179, Zurel wrote:Hmmm...
Here is where I show how easy it is to sow doubt in my mind.
@NoraaHow hard did Jackson go after you for using noob card? I mean, since you guys dug up my game, I can also ask about your games.
I hope you realize that both those games where I used my noob card hard were scum games. Whether or not people went after me doesn't matter. What matters is the newbscum will use their noob card more.
As of right now though, I'm inclined to think Rock and Jackson as both town.-
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How so?In post 188, Noraa wrote:It also didn't make sense imo-
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I'm just considering the possibility. Good on you for being able to have 100% conviction on your read, but I don't.In post 190, Noraa wrote:So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?
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Oh, good grief. I thought NM would be a handful, looking at how people raved about them. But here you are.In post 193, Rockhopper wrote:In post 110, JacksonVirgo wrote:Your TGP read is very similar to my own read, so I can definitely get behind that one.
To be completely honest your Noraa read is very similar to mine also, especially that post as I said.
Zurel and Noraa are both easy town. TGP is the most likely scum from what I've got aorn.
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Oh, I did cry a bit and threw a table out of the window. You just don't see it.In post 196, Noraa wrote:
Hmm. You're a very level headed newbie. Difficult to read but I like it! You're a puzzle. I'll figure you out sometime laterIn post 192, Zurel wrote:
I'm just considering the possibility. Good on you for being able to have 100% conviction on your read, but I don't.In post 190, Noraa wrote:So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?
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I would go back to meta, except I have none. All I can say is I don't have 100% conviction on any of my reads, ever. When I say scumread it probably means around 80% conviction, and this early game maybe even 70%. I need someone else to nudge me all the way.In post 197, Rockhopper wrote:
zurel scumreads tgp but doesn't vote there until JV doesIn post 195, Noraa wrote:
hello! Please explain your reads better. Stop hopping from wagon to wagon otherwise u will get some scum points from me.In post 193, Rockhopper wrote:this pings me
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Not sure what changed between your vote on me and this post that made you slot me as town, but someone else can ask that. I'm interested on your Gerain's read.In post 209, Rockhopper wrote:town: {zurel, noraa, tgp, gerain}-
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Also, I have been feeling uneasy about the newbie interrogation Noraa has been giving me. I feel like there might have been a misunderstanding.
I'm not a newbie through and through, nor did I ever claim as such. I only said I was new out of the newbie queue. Read my ISO so you see I'm not lying. I had played on another site many years ago but if you still can see noobness in my playstyle, it's probably because my only completed game here is my first game in the said many years.
And when I ask questions it's because I don't know, they don't use the terms or abbreviations where I hailed from. So please, in the name of all that's holy and wise, do answer them even if you want to scumread me.
Have I made that clear? Thank you.-
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Golden, you never explained why you thought NM was mildly scummy. I think that's a good place to start from if you want to show you're town.In post 241, TheGoldenParadox wrote:hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(-
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This is the second time you promise the "more on that later". Are you planning to write a novella?In post 249, Rockhopper wrote:
I think gerain and noraa are both town, more on that later.In post 248, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote: Rocky's logic makes sense kind of... Rockhopper can you break down why you think Zurel or Virog is likely the scum on the TGP wagon rather than the other player on that wagon. Trying to understand your logic here
My vote on JV is stacked on Fuzzy atm, something isn't right.
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I can relate to not being sure about your reads. But something must have happened between your #20 and your #62 that gave you a strong enough conviction on Taylor's scumminess. What is it?In post 259, Shoshin wrote:I'd guess scum is among Taylor, Golden, Fuzzy, or Nepenthe, maybe. Who knows? I haven't played mafia in over a year so I'm not sure how much trust to put in my own reads yet. We'll have to wait until after we lynch a scum for me to regain some confidence.
Did I miss Noraa saying this particular post scummy?In post 260, Shoshin wrote:
Why do you scumread this, Nora?In post 28, Rockhopper wrote:love your energy, noraa-
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This is NM being attentive? Oh, wow.In post 263, Shoshin wrote:NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.-
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The virtue signalling I get. But 223 is about me and unless my eyes are lopsided, you lean town on me. I don't know if I'm the right person to ask this, but what exactly is the epitome of scum gibberish in it?In post 269, Shoshin wrote:223 also felt like the epitome of scum gibberish. Either that, or Taylor's thinking is too deep for me to understand.-
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I thought you were scum with me and TGP. When did you leave the PT?In post 285, Not_Mafia wrote:TGP and Zurel are lockscum-
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I will keep that in mind for future I guess. Though I did already give explanation to Rock when he raised the point.In post 284, Hiraki wrote:You called out two scumreads and then didn't vote either of them until a wagon started. Some people see that as a hard and fast scumtell since you're saying something but not doing it. To make it worse, you then voted once someone else did as if it wasn't of your on volition. I don't have 100% equity in that but I do see it as an anti-town move.-
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Oh, I thought it was Vanilla Town. Thanks.In post 300, Not_Mafia wrote:
vt means Vote Totalled, someone uses it to signify they're one vote from being eliminated, I always hammer at E-1 so E-2 is basically vt in this gameIn post 297, Zurel wrote:Is everyone ignoring 288? Is that a claim?-
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I'm still rereading but I saw Jackson's vote on me. I don't know if I can defend the post they quoted but their distrust in me makes me more strongly that they're town. Take this as a pocketing attempt if you want, Jackson.
So far my vote is still on TGP. I will continue rereading and add more later.-
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Can't there be any possibility of WIFOM?In post 405, JacksonVirgo wrote:TGP did claim Vanilla Townie and they are obviously Town for it. What mafia would NOT claim PR if pushed to be yeeted D1-
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I am starting to think that Noraa is tunneling and quite stuck in there. She is reading scum anyone who goes against her, but I don't think Jackson is scum. Just looking at the vote placement, if Jackson was scum, why would Jackson vote me when there are many other wagons they could push and get a town eliminated?
At the risk of getting her scumread, I VOTE: Unvote: TGP-
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Yeah, I'm aware buuuuuut...In post 479, Noraa wrote:
This is such a bad vote LOL.In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic
That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.-
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