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Andres the Assumer, lol

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im honestly not unvoting andres bc they already slipped their intentions with their actions. I think they are a very capable player and seeing them go for this extremely blatantly anti town play makes unable to see them as town here

I can’t tell if the ya are scum or not. It could go either way for me. They’re just kind of annoying right now.

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Ohhhh....I understand why there’s talk for me needing to claim first.

Yeah, Marky Mark’s probably town.

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Wow, weird start to the day.

I can confirm I did not receive message last night. I think we should have Mark claim.

Good. This is what I was hoping to hear.

I didn’t target last night, I was hoping VP would claim they got it, thinking I targeted them with a Loyal Friendly Neighbor shot.

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I believe ScumVP would have claimed they received it.

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I can confirm I did not receive message last night. I think we should have Mark claim.

you absolute BUFFOON why are u claiming

FL asked me to claim whether I got a message.

Andres is probably just scum trying to power through stuff so his buds don’t get caught, but I at least understand why the push for us to go now could possibly be happening as town.

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Wow, weird start to the day.

I can confirm I did not receive message last night. I think we should have Mark claim.

Good. This is what I was hoping to hear.

I didn’t target last night, I was hoping VP would claim they got it, thinking I targeted them with a Loyal Friendly Neighbor shot.

HAHAHA this is such a misplay that I will never buy that this is something you did.

Lol this is the epitome of my play, dude. I don’t know what to tell you in that regard.

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Flavor is caught Scum btw. If anybody here even remotely believes that the Friendly Neighbor would not send a message out after having claimed the day prior, then I have nothing to say to you.

Oh. That’s what you’re getting on about.

I can’t target every night.

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I think you just want me to be scum. You got Flavor Fever.

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Why wouldn’t I target if I were able to?

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Why would VPB claim they got a message when they didn’t as Scum? Like why would they purposefully clear you AND reveal themselves to be Scum to you exactly? It’s completely nonsensical.

Because if they didn’t they’d be caught out scum...

I very clearly was pushing like I was Loyal yesterday.

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Why wouldn’t I target if I were able to?

You JUST made it sound like you decided not to, and then you say you couldn’t?

This is the worst PR claim ever. It’s clear it was done under pressure to defuse (which never should have been done), and now you are coming out with this? Nah. I’m not that gullible.

You know I’m like the master of claiming under pressure, right?

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@FL i think u got rolecopped lol

Yeah, I said this yesterday. Andres clearly knows my exact role, I don’t know why he’s playing dumb.

I came into this day ready to work with Andres too in the case I was wrong, but he came in looking to fight.

I just hope he isn’t town who costs us the game.

@Andres - go back a second, if you are town, and you found out I was confirmed town, what would your team look like? Does DGB fill that spot or nah?

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Why would VPB claim they got a message when they didn’t as Scum? Like why would they purposefully clear you AND reveal themselves to be Scum to you exactly? It’s completely nonsensical.

Because if they didn’t they’d be caught out scum...

I very clearly was pushing like I was Loyal yesterday.

Nobody in their right mind would claim that they received a message from you (confirming you as Town) when you didn’t. Town would never lie about that (because, why? Unless they were absolutely certain you were Town), and Scum CERTAINLY would never lie about that (because that’s plain idiotic).

I’m pretty sure I have won a scum game because I correctly guessed before where if I hadn’t claimed it, I’d have been caught out.

Sure, it wasn’t 100%, but there was a possibility, and I’ve done gambits like that that have even less possibility, and will continue to do so. Keeps scum on their toes.

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Pfft that’s the most horrendous solve ever.

Alright we’re doomed. I’m going to stop trying too hard here. Good job guys.

100% town frustration.

I disagree. He was stating the horrendous solve was with DGB, Not Mafia, Jackson. You are in his pool.

I know for a fact I am town. He’s just mad because he thinks VP is scum, and he has to discredit me to get through there. Andres is probably scum playing up the hysterics to come across townie and potentially get a fade he needs.

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Why would VPB claim they got a message when they didn’t as Scum? Like why would they purposefully clear you AND reveal themselves to be Scum to you exactly? It’s completely nonsensical.

Because if they didn’t they’d be caught out scum...

I very clearly was pushing like I was Loyal yesterday.

Nobody in their right mind would claim that they received a message from you (confirming you as Town) when you didn’t. Town would never lie about that (because, why? Unless they were absolutely certain you were Town), and Scum CERTAINLY would never lie about that (because that’s plain idiotic).

I’m pretty sure I have won a scum game because I correctly guessed before where if I hadn’t claimed it, I’d have been caught out.

Sure, it wasn’t 100%, but there was a possibility, and I’ve done gambits like that that have even less possibility, and will continue to do so. Keeps scum on their toes.

Explain the context of whatever gambit you appear to have performed and why it’s comparable to this situation.

Presumed Loyal Friendly Neighbor. I act like I target VP.

WHAT DOES SCUM VP DO?!?!?! Claim they received it.

Like why wouldn’t they claim they received it as scum except in the exact scenario that VP and I are both scum?

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@FL i think u got rolecopped lol

Yeah, I said this yesterday. Andres clearly knows my exact role, I don’t know why he’s playing dumb.

I came into this day ready to work with Andres too in the case I was wrong, but he came in looking to fight.

I just hope he isn’t town who costs us the game.

@Andres - go back a second, if you are town, and you found out I was confirmed town, what would your team look like? Does DGB fill that spot or nah?

I am as obvious as Town as ever and the only way you’ll get me to stop screaming that you’re Scum is if I’m executed. Sorry. Or alternatively you can keep me alive and send me this supposed message and we can CC each other tomorrow. Whatever works for you.

No, I am as obvious town as ever. I could send it to you, but honestly, I shouldn’t have to be in a 1v1 like tomorrow. This completely just opens you up to fight the confirmed townie and open up your possibilities at winning the game.

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@Koba/VPB/Not Mafia/A50

You lot all understand what I did, right? Like I know I’m next level, but I feel that’s pretty entry level gambiting.

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Every time I get conf town, someone tries to hard push me like this.

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Occam’s razor, he’s just scum, but he’s doing decent at looking like hysterical town.

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@Andres - DGB is likely only siding with you because she is scum, regardless of your alignment.

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Replace me in that slot, who’s the 3rd, Andres?

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It didn’t reveal reveal him as town, scum him could have just been that oblivious, but in conjunction with my read on you and my read on VP, I’ll fade you far before VP.

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I’ve never claimed Loyal. I implied. There’s a difference.

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I will not claim if I am really Loyal or not until tomorrow. It is what it is, to be honest.

I trust my reads far more at this point in the game than I trust anyone else’s. I might not be perfect with my reads, but it’s coming to a solve.

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You just need to work on your patience.

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I’ve never claimed Loyal. I implied. There’s a difference.

Pfft you must think people can’t read or something.

I have a reputation for claiming 5-6 things and WIFOMING scum as town left and right. I claim stuff like that every single game, it does not mean I am those things.

And you suddenly always knew that I was claiming that? Earlier you were playing dumb.

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It was so blatant that any bad player would have seen it. And if I’m Scum, I certainly knew since we had a fight about it.

So you understand that concept, yet you couldn’t understand the gambit onto VP Baltar?

Yeah, fade this. You just got Third Degree Boon’d.

VOTE: Andres

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Alright, dude. I’m done arguing if you’re just gonna conveniently play dumb.

I will confirm that I am town in this game tonight.

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2) FL is scum here with Koba.

That would be a risky play, no?

DGB, Andres is blatantly scum.

He is pushing he knows things and doesn’t know things when it is convenient.

He knew he was going to get heat this day phase after both Infinity and Taylor flipped town. The 2 wagons he is responsible for heating up.

And he is actively trying to set up a situation where I get doubted. He played dumb with the gambit I played with the Loyal FN play to VP, yet completely already knew about the Loyal?

I’m done with this.

I feel like he could be hysterical town, but at this point he’s gonna lose the game for town if he is town.

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It was so blatant that any bad player would have seen it. And if I’m Scum, I certainly knew since we had a fight about it.

So you understand that concept, yet you couldn’t understand the gambit onto VP Baltar?

Yeah, fade this. You just got Third Degree Boon’d.

VOTE: Andres

Or, you’re Scum trying to clear your buddy under pressure who is very clearly been pushing just Town, and the rest is just nonsense. And how convenient you try this gambit with VPB and not me who you are convinced is Scum.

It wouldn’t work with you. You’d have pushed me relentlessly. I did it with the slot you were pushing.

I don’t feel like you are this surface level of a player, so I think you’re just scum.

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This goes all the way back now to the greeting you gave when I first entered. You were actively trying to pocket the new player to the game.

I am town. Deal with it.

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You are not in a better spot than VP.

Me being here assures that.

You Freudian slipped right there because the only way you are in a better spot than VP is if you have scum partners to back you up.

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The way Koba claimed was why I was reading them as town. It just seemed really unforced, which is weird as scum if you actually had sussed Mark was a PR overnight

I agreed with this yesterday. But c’mon VPB you must now you look suspicious as hell. Why is Koba defending you to the point of executing Tayl0r who is Town? Infinity had you as Scum too, and now they’re both gone, and still they come in and push Marky Mark, who is supposed to be a PR? C’mon.

DGB and Koba is the they you speak of here.

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Yeah maybe. So we should be voting between Marky Mark and Koba then no?

Maybe. I mean, if mark actually has investigative information, that would be super helpful to know.

Of course, now we also know we had an actual cop, so that makes me a little wary of Mark's claim.

A friendly neighbor AND a cop? eeeeerrgh

This is why I would never kill Infinity, for what it’s worth.

And Infinity himself was stating that there would more more investigative power, and I’m not a full investigative, neither is he.

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I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

Well, you are wrong on me, and you better figure that out.

And I’ve never claimed I was Loyal, only implied.

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Alright so who did FL FN

I’m odd night, but I gambited with VP.

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I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

And guess who was conveniently saying Marky Mark should be town read now and used that as an excuse to turn onto Koba.

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Alright so who did FL FN

I’m odd night, but I gambited with VP.

Alright, how did you gambit with VP? Wouldn’t they know you’re either fake or bluffing if you said you targeted them?

I was trying to act like I was Loyal Friendly Neighbor on Day 2, which Andres said was so blatantly obvious, so I asked VP to confirm if they got a message from me or not. VP said they didn’t. I then outed I wasn’t able to actually target, but I wanted some use out of it. I believeVP, if scum in that situation, would have claimed they had a fruit because I acted like I targeted them. I think town him didn’t even think twice about it.

And now Andres is pushing a convoluted story of VPB, Koba, FL scum team, but he conveniently acts dumb when he needs to.

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Are you claiming Voyeur?

Because voyeur doesn’t get role names like that in Normals. They get protective/investigation.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur

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I am town no matter what fuckery is going on.

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Okay so haha I see why Infinity died. They were checking Scum. So DGB is Scum. Koba is Scum. And they employed a gambit with Flavor who is also Scum.

Dude, you need to see I’m town.

Like at this point, I get it, but I’m an Odd-Night Friendly Neighbor full stop.

Alternatively Marky mark could be scum here faking a guilty, but i don’t think it was necessary.

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I am town no matter what fuckery is going on.

If you’re Loyal claim now, because if you are you’d be scum with Koba

They already claimed it.

I specifically said implied.

Pay the fuck attention, and stop misrepping.

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I am town no matter what fuckery is going on.

If you’re Loyal claim now, because if you are you’d be scum with Koba

They already claimed it.

I specifically said implied.

Pay the fuck attention, and stop misrepping.

Wait, hard claim. Yes or no?

Are you Loyal or no?

No, I’m not. I also never stated Dkk was town besides that one time in my readslist. You can go back and check how I was actively making sure not to.

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Marky Mark, you need to confirm me tonight

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Actually, we should probably wait for everyone to chime in before we end the day.

In theory, Marky Mark can be scum faking a guilty if they saw they had 2 votes earlier, but that’s an extremely specific type of guilty, that I don’t know if it’s the right angle.

If Koba is town, Marky Mark dies tomorrow anyways, though.

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I am town no matter what fuckery is going on.

If you’re Loyal claim now, because if you are you’d be scum with Koba

They already claimed it.

I specifically said implied.

Pay the fuck attention, and stop misrepping.

Wait, hard claim. Yes or no?

Are you Loyal or no?

Damn. You put forth a situation that forced me to out my Loyal or not.

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I don’t really trust you right now Kkoba. I think that the multitasking gambit, if it’s a gambit, is a solid and safe gambit to make.

My initial thought on reading it I wanted to vote you, but Andres completely got everything they wanted out of the gambit, including me full claiming, safety for Marky Mark, and likely a Kkoba fade.

I might have underestimated ScumAndres.

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its moreso it was really obvious i messaged DGB bc i insisted on mark claiming and andres wouldnt stfu about me claiming first

I didn’t pick this up, but I was focused on Andres pushing me too much.

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its moreso it was really obvious i messaged DGB bc i insisted on mark claiming and andres wouldnt stfu about me claiming first

I'm not following this. Mark claimed first like you wanted. How does that implicate Andres in anything?

Marky Mark has a big chance of going down today. I came into the day phase less sure of them than I was yesterday. DGB and Kkoba both voted there.

Andres came in and protected them, and then pushed us to claim our actions before coming in. Marky Mark came in and essentially saved Andres and reset the day.

It also had me confirm whether or not I was Loyal because I thought Kkoba was scum. I’m still thinking if I think that’s possible, but I had a glass shattering moment when Kkoba came back.

Andres and Marky Mark played this off well.

They have myself, DGB, and VP as misfades still, and Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 aren’t off the table.

One of those are a partner.

Andres saying A50 was cleared makes me think A50 is the partner, and that’s why they killed Infinity. He thought they were targeting A50, who out of the 3 of them would be making the kill probably. Mark seems like a Scum PR, maybe even has Multitasking. Andres could be Scum PR, or goon.

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I would never tie myself to Koba this way if I were scum with them.

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Yeah, this was their play to get rid of what they thought were conf towns.

They had to do it because I was pushing Andres.

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Why would ScumDkkoba target DGB with a message when that was confirmed to be getting checked?

Also, Andres pushed DKK and DGB together, why would ScumDKk send a message to ScumDGB?

Andres and Marky Mark are scum here.

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I would never tie myself to Koba this way if I were scum with them.

You have no choice at this point.

I’m not scum, so fuck off.

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That feels like a very big brain play when taylor was saying Mark!scum spaghettied all over himself last time. Why isn't Koba just scum here, FL?

Why would ScumKoba send a message to DGB when that was the dedicated confirm action slot?

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That feels like a very big brain play when taylor was saying Mark!scum spaghettied all over himself last time. Why isn't Koba just scum here, FL?

Marky Mark isn’t the big brain that I would be saying it is.

I would be saying it’s Andres’ play through usage of Marky Mark, which makes sense as to why Marky Mark came in and left like that.

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Also I know I’m right because Flavor is painting a ridiculous world where I’m the center of the Scum Team and I’ve brilliantly been covered by my Partner with an exact Claim and some genius trap to reveal whether the Friendly Neighbor was Loyal or not.

I’d be able to do it without thinking really. Maybe I’m overestimating your ability.

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If Kkoba and I were scum, Andres would have been the fade yesterday.

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If Kkoba and I were scum, Andres would have been the fade yesterday.

Why is that?

Also, I don't think you both have to be scum here. That's what is confusing me about your all in that this is some elaborate gambit

Well, i don’t see why Marky would do it without Andres.

I really don’t see why Dkk would target DGB like that, or even target at all with a Multitasking Modifier. That just seems dumb.

If Kkoba and I were both scum, Andres wouldn’t have had Kkoba defending him like he was yesterday, and I wouldn’t have settled for Taylor likely because one extra vote over to Andres would have made the difference. It’s why I waited so long.

Andres had the advantage because he’s scum and they have multiple people to push gamestate into their direction. I don’t have that.

Kkoba gets targeted because they thought we were linked together. It benefits scum Andres if we are, because they can get one free fade off of us, which brings us to Elo tomorrow, I believe, which drastically increases their chances of winning.

Koba flips town, I’ll be confirmed town, but they have A50, Jackson, Not Mafia, You, and DGB, whichever of them isn’t scum, so that’s 4 options.

I likely will be the night kill tonight, which completely gets rid of the possible town pairing.

Does this make sense? It’s a little more convoluted now that I was outed as not Loyal, but if you look at Andres’ posts, he was definitely trying to get me to full claim it.

After thinking about it, look at Dkk’s posts about waiting for Marky.

They knew Marky would see him or they wanted to catch out Mark for not seeing them? Scum doesn’t target DGB here knowing Marky could ever possibly see them.

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Is there a world where Marky is scum, and Andres is town?

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DGB is backing Koba up here. And they’re all basically tied together. If I’m siding incorrectly, we always lose, because I’m flipped tomorrow and it’s basically game over.

No, hold up, if you’re town, work with me here.

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Marky, Jackson, one of A50/Not Mafia?

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Ugh where were my reads at earlier.

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@Andres - we are tying ourselves way too close together for us to be scum here.

Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 have barely touched this day phase.

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@Andres - we are tying ourselves way too close together for us to be scum here.

Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 have barely touched this day phase.

Yeah but they can’t all be Scum, since Marky Mark is then outted.

Yeah, but there’s just a lot of options left unexplored.

Also, if Marky Mark is town and flipped, we lose, because Iwill flip town.

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Can we claim what the message said?

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@Andres - we are tying ourselves way too close together for us to be scum here.

Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 have barely touched this day phase.

Are you fucking serious? I've just finished a 9 hour shift, sorry that I have a life jfc

I didn’t say it was your fault or a bad thing. Damn. Lol. You have legitimate reasons, wasn’t trying to push that like it made you scum.

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@Koba but Marky Mark can’t Scumslip given what they implied they were. I really doubt they go through the trouble of saying they would confirm Infinity in the first place if they had no ability to back that up.

Scum them already knew what their role was.

Infinity died, so it was safe to claim the detective.

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Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

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Why would scum openly 1 for 1 like this, knowing that you and FL were both almost lock-town. They wouldn't, it'd be stupid.

That’s why if Dkk is town and faded, that means scum only need 1 more misfade to win the game, it doesn’t matter if they go down. They’d just need 1 more out of the remaining 4 townies.

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Is there a world where Marky is scum, and Andres is town?

It looks like.

I don't see Andres behaving like this as scum, it requires too much galaxy-brain.

I have a headache now.

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Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

Why would town!Koba assume mark was telling the truth about being a voyeur/watcher etc?

I feel it’s similar to what I was doing with you. If Marky had claimed they saw the detective and not the messenger, it would have outed them as scum also.

Marky likely figured out what happened throughout Andres pushing and decided to try to get someone that they thought was conf town faded.

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Why would scum openly 1 for 1 like this, knowing that you and FL were both almost lock-town. They wouldn't, it'd be stupid.

"why would scum ever do that??"

*in situations where scum did, indeed do that*

u know the answer. i really hope you know the answer.


im angling to want mark elimed. mark is afraid to nk me bc i may be loyal. i havent claimed loyal. i soft loyal. mark preemtively guilties me so they look better(hey look it worked)

is it adding up yet?

I hope it’s super clear that as scum, Kkoba and I both doing this exact thing would be absolutely absurd.

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Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

Why would town!Koba assume mark was telling the truth about being a voyeur/watcher etc?

I feel it’s similar to what I was doing with you. If Marky had claimed they saw the detective and not the messenger, it would have outed them as scum also.

Marky likely figured out what happened throughout Andres pushing and decided to try to get someone that they thought was conf town faded.

But how? It’s a super low probability guess. Koba never even implied to have messaged DGB.

I think it was a mixture of luck and scum playing themselves.

DGB confirmed the message, Kkoba was pushing Marky Mark.

I think it’s as simple as Marky Mark knowing they had an issue with Kkoba this game, saw you taking the pair of us down, and Marky Mark swooped.

I do find the Multitasking on the messenger to be insanely weird as well. Why is it necessary, you could just not have that part.

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As in Koba never claimed, and multiple players did not say anything. You obviously rule out both VPB who claimed it coming in, and myself, and Koba is obviously not messaging you again Flavor, but that still leaves half of the game.

VPB is less townie for me right now, which kinda sucks, but it looks like they’re trying to save Marky Mark right now.

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Given the specificity of Mark’s claim, there’s no universe where both Koba and Mark are Town. I am really deeply skeptical of the idea that the Scum Team all revealed themselves to us right here right now. That’s not happening.

If this was one day further, then I would argue against this, but I think Kkoba was the best chance for scum to try and fade today if they could because it gives them an extra misfade option. It doesn’t matter if one of them went down from pushing because they still move onto the next day, and they get to kill me afterwards.

This would leave a situation where Koba flips town, I get killed, Marky gets faded, they kill...let’s say Andres?

The final 5 is Jackson, Not Mafia, DGB, VPB, A50.
2 of those are scum in that world, likely this world, and that leaves them just needing 1 fade, even if they end up going down that day, they still need just 1 fade. They could even no kill to leave more options.

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My town block is Andres and DkKoba.

Probably a scum slip here tbh

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Yeah.

VOTE: Marky Mark

I don’t see Multitasking Messenger as a thing here, and I don’t see ScummDkk targeting DGB knowing Marky Mark is going to target there.

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why not FL?

From your message you are 100% town to me.

From behavior today, also Andres.

No one is as town as you two, for me.

This is why I should be higher than DKK then. I can’t be scum without Dkk, but they can be scum without me. There’s just no world where that should be a thing you’re pushing.

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Andres, you got in my head with Dkk/DGB.

I am not scum with them if Marky is town.

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Marky Mark is confirmed scum if you think Kkoba is town

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Scum did the classic sit back and let the townies fight long enough until they town read each other

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Hello all

So I've caught up to the present, I'll drop my immediate take on what's gone down over the last 10 pages and will then leaf over things a bit more slowly over the course of the weekend.

Pages ~35-40 is a lot of reminiscing and fairly thin on actual game stuff, and I totally get that, as I'm sure for many of you here that is a big part of the appeal of playing, but it does make it harder to pick through the game and find the important stuff.

Welcome to FL and thanks for replacing in.

DGB posts of note

@DGB - what differentiates Not_Mafia (top of your townreads) from Geraint (in your scumreads)? Other players' reads have varied for those two, but those that I have been able to find tend to have read both of them as being in a similar place in terms of alignment. IMO they are both in a similar place of engaging with the game in a very limited manner and being very blatant about it although Not_Mafia takes this further.

I'm soulmason with Not_Mafia.

Geraint is a one-note whining machine moping about playing the game he signed up for, it's all excuses. Just lazy scum AtE.

DGB has made it clear she doesn't believe in meta, so I find her TRing N_M on the basis of being soulmasons (ie relationship outside of the immediate game) a bit off.

Ok you guys can just eliminate me straight up day 1, I hope that'll shut you all up forever about neta

I can the nonchalance about being lynched coming from a place of scum trying to look town. Obviously subjective tho

That Gamma vote on N_M

I think Gamma parking their vote on N_M as an initial act was fine. It served a purpose (pressure on an inactive and hard to read player) and N_M was not remotely close to being hammered. As a result, 899 from DK and 906 from Taylor look opportunistic where they call it out as scummy/bad.

Further to the above, DK claims in 909 that she is on the lookout for people trying to push LHF...

Im always on the lookout for whoever is trying to push LHF

... but she herself voted Geraint a couple of pages earlier, which is a wagon based on very similar principles (ie pressuring an inactive & hard to read player)

lets try this VOTE: geraintm

Additionally, VP made it clear in 882 that he was not against a N_M. DK did not comment on this, but then called out the Gamma Emerald vote, which shares a similar sentiment.

I'd be keen to hear from DK and/or Taylor why they felt a vote on N_M was bad in the circumstances. Taylor has also spoken out against a geraint vote, so she is at least consistent in her attitude towards low activity/engagement players, but would love to know why DK felt that voting Geraint was ok, but Gamma voting N_M wasn't.

Some other thoughts

-1034 by Taylor asking what vote # the JV wagon was on feels like scum trying to look town (JV was nowhere near hammer so I'm not convinced she was legitimately worried that her vote could put him dangerously close)
-1094 where FL claims to be a 2-Shot doc -> I'm presuming you aren't actually claiming here but that it's some sort of in-joke?
-That page where JV talked us through his mental state inc his relationship with death-tunnels felt town, as many others have already said.
-I feel like FL is reading way too much into the fake informed claim, but NAI

Zdenek's contribution and others' reaction to it

Around page 28, I think that Taylor is scum telling us Math is town.

This is not a remotely new argument, which makes me question DKs assertion in 1157 that his tone comes off as independent, especially when it was an argument that DK herself made earlier:

weird bc ur sudden defense of math gives me scum vibes from you instead

DGB also TRing the slot after that post doesn't fill me with confidence, but that bit is a bit more circumstantial

Went back to check earlier parts of the game, and now this just reeks

[Flavor Leaf]

This line of inquiry has been fairly quiet recently - @VP has FL changed your mind on this slot?

FL's posts are absolutely better than Math. Im just skeptical because it is clear FL is a capable player. Not ready to completely flip that read, but I admit FL makes it easier to prefer someone like geraintm

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

Are you voting him though, carrying over from Math?

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

Are you voting him though, carrying over from Math?

Is there a rush? I don't really know who else to vote for right now, I have too many town reads.

You had a list of four scum reads didn't you?

Are you pocketing me and trying to get DGB to go after me?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I caught up from where I came in last time until now.

There's something weird going in between Andres, Infinity, and VPB. I would bet on there being scum in there somewhere.

Least Likely to Most Likely:
VPB
Andres
Infinity

I sensed that Infinity play earlier, but maybe Andres set that up. I'm not sure. I might be underestimating Andres ability, and if so, I think he could manipulate incredibly well. Something about the way he's posting makes me feel that way, especially now that I look at his greeting towards me could have been a pocket attempt.

I just get this weird sense of newbie yet experienced in Andres, and I played with him over a year ago, so I know he's decently capable, and I know his join date is deceiving, I just think there's a chance Andres is playing a solid scum game, picking up good gamestate control, if that makes sense.

Like when I look back at the way he greeted me, in conjunction to how he's been pushing, and the fact that I naturally scum read Infinity, I think Andres being scum would have helped the gamestate get to a position where Infinity would have been a strong wagon.

I was thinking of voting Infinity, which I believe would pick up at least 1 more vote, maybe more, so I can see that Infinity could have gained momentum.

Hmm, more stuff i was leaning against VP.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm also seeing a possible DGB/DKK pairing, which could explain why DGB went on to Gera here, as that's a wagon that could gain steam, and I feel like Dkk is likely the scummiest, most likely to get momentum on them as either alignment coming up, so if DGB senses that too, and is partners with Dkk, Gera push is incredibly strong, especially because DGB couldn't stay on me due to if they are scum, them having to do a hell of a lot of work on Day 1 to fight because of circular reasoning.

a theory, though. If they are the scum team, that is what is happening right now.

Fuck

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

Marky Mark could be smooth scum, smooth enough where I probably wouldn't vote them out Day 1.

Dkk-Marky could be Dkk scum making it look like they're doing something with MarkyMark, which distracts a townMarky.

Or ScumMarky could be playing with DkScum.

I don't think I see that as S/S anywhere. Could be T/T if I'm just off the mark.

I'm trying to find scum right now, so I might be seeing things that aren't there regarding the gamestate, but that's fine for Day 1, I feel.

PEdit:
Interesting Dkk is trying to stop the discussion on that now.

I kind of want Marky to be scum here because his posts look so smooth if he is.

I don't even know what to say to this - this is kinda like reverse pocketing I guess?!

If you are scum, I am forcing myself into your pocket so you have to be aware of me, so yes. Reverse pocketing is a good term.

?!

If you are scum, I want it to be known that this is what I will consider the moment I caught you. The double punctuation.

I’m starting to make sense of it all.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not scum. If Marky is town, we lose.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Marky

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not scum.

See this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not you, necessarily, Mark. If you’re town, we’re kinda fucked. I think you’re scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL are you townreading andres now?

Yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s just a townie on the ride of the game, no more than I at this point.

I should have FN’d elsewhere. I almost did too. Day 1 Dkkoba annoyed me, and I just wanted to deal with it and not have to interact with them, then they became like this stray animal that wouldn’t stop town reading all my pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

It seems like alright scum play. Multitasking claim was weird because I don’t think he accounted for the setup spec of it being weird.

If Marky is scum, I don’t necessarily think it’s with DGB moreso than some of the others.

I think Jackson is conf scum in that scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

why would a messenger be multitasking and then why do they target Marky knowing Marky will target there is why i keep coming back.

Marky flipping scum also is best case scenario for my not getting misfaded, so I could be biased.

[Flavor Leaf]

A50, you, or Not Mafia likely fill that last spot.

I think all 3 of you are capable of doing that play. I don’t think Not Mafia would choose to, but he wouldn’t fight someone else doing it if they wanted to.

[Flavor Leaf]

OKay someone summarise these claims please

Koba mailman
Marky role watcher

I’m friendly neighbor.

Marky role watched DGB
Koba targeted DGB to get seen by Marky.

Marky claimed they were mailman, then said they were Multitasking Mailman, which Kkoba disputed.

Talk of the town is Marky fake guiltied Kkoba.

I also friendly neighbor’d Koba, so if Koba is scum, I’m getting misfaded.

Marky Mark scum is taking out what they thought was a conf town pairing in Dkk and I.

That’s where I stand.

Alternatively, Kkoba is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Reason why we’re likely going Marky is because if they flip scum, Dkkoba is cleared, and also I am. Which puts scum back in a rough spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

The thought process is there’s no way someone who is a Multitasking Mailman purposefully gets watched on top of needing to get rid of the confirmed town pair (presumed).

[Flavor Leaf]

I was surprised to see FL claim the non-loyal odd night FN today as heavily implying they were a different type of FN just doesn't make sense in terms of orthodox town play (I remember reading on the wiki that it's almost never an good idea for town to fakeclaim or misconstrue their role) but I don't know how in-character it is for him.

I’ve literally claimed 6 separate roles as town before and went on to solve the game. I spit in the face of orthodox.

If you’re reading me based on actions, the fact I didn’t do much of the crazy stuff is why I should be seen as scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Marky scum team is with some combination of you, Jackson, A50, and VP.

Dkk and DGB are likely the same alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Right now, I’m thinking Marky, Jackson, VPB.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm an Indecisive Doctor Voyeur, I feel like Marky's role has synergy with that

So does my role and Koba’s

[Flavor Leaf]

Voyeur and Role Watcher are essentially counterclaims?

I think Not Mafia just counterclaimed Marky which likely means VP/Jackson/Marky is the team.

[Flavor Leaf]

What were your actions?

[Flavor Leaf]

Role Watcher is similar to a Role Cop in terms of power for scum.

Friendly Neigjbor
Messenger
Doctor voyeur
Detective

Vs

Role watcher
Probably one more PR
Goon

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Marky Mark

Yeah, I’m happy with this completely.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm an Indecisive Doctor Voyeur, I feel like Marky's role has synergy with that

This isn't me saying I think he's town, I think Multitasking Mafia Role Watcher is a good counterpart to my role

Right, he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia is trolling VP before your eyes, how is he not agreeing?

[Flavor Leaf]

DGB, Koba, Andres, Me on Marky Mark.

That’s it.

VP, Not Mafia, Jackson, A50 not voting.

E-1

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia is trolling VP before your eyes, how is he not agreeing?

I wouldn't say trolling so much as not answering why he wouldn't suspect mark immediately on D2 given it would be a direct conflict with his own claimed role. Also, why not protect Infinity last night since he was town reading them and scum reading me?

Are you trying to say Infinity was a more likely kill than I was last night? That could have influenced scum decision if they thought a protective would be on me.

Andres scum mightve wanted to leave me alive, but I don't see any other team wanting to keep my alive, unless they felt they had to kill Infinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m dead tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mark, Jackson, A50

Dkkoba, DGB, Not Mafia/Jackson/A50

[Flavor Leaf]

That is in a town VP universe.

VP can be added into the first team in place of A50, or the 2nd team added to the 3rd slot

[Flavor Leaf]

DGB, you really think Mark is lying with that giant wall of stuff?

TMI?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Dkk

Jackson/DGB are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fucking Kkoba sent me the entire lyrics to Never Gonna Give You Up.

Because they know they're taking me down this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I soft Loyal in like every single game I play.

[Flavor Leaf]

At least I know for a fact it's Jackson now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

This is exactly why.

I have to target someone that wasn't going to die. I almost went Andres. And if you were town, you would confirm me as town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

[Flavor Leaf]

MY TRAITOR READ WAS CORRECTT!!!!!!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

This is exactly why.

I have to target someone that wasn't going to die. I almost went Andres. And if you were town, you would confirm me as town here.

What? Explain why scum!me would not kill you here. Let me reiterate my point. You would likely target Town with your action and thus be completely confirmed, your case is so broken it's actually terrifying to think why you even planned to do this lmfao.

And why would I ever 1 for 1 with you like this to begin with.

Because Andres laid the path for me to die. Why wouldn't you try to 1v1 me here? I'm able to eventually be conf town. I'll just target Night 5 then. You, Dkk, and DGB are the scum team, and I can 50/50 the final kill you pick on within Not Mafia/A50/VP still.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know for a 100% fact that you are scum here. I knew you wouldn't be killed last night because Not Mafia and VP had more reason to die than you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.

I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't try to twist it all up.

@VP/Not Mafia - I AM NOT SCUM. Please see what JV has done here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.

I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

And you know this, how? Lmfao

I'm next level, that's why. I can read you like a book right now. You are scum here. You've got that scumHubris all over you, and actively chose not to confirm me as town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no reason to 1v1 you here as scum. If anything, that was a town slip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh, I hate Friendly Neighbor without modifiers

[Flavor Leaf]

Since I can't die tonight, or FL gets chain-lynched I might as well claim which is much grander than what my role can ever do.

I'm a Universal Backup, I softed it with my first post with the uboi. UB = Universal Backup. I also spoke about how the first PR death didn't matter at all, since I would then take it.

Spoiler: The Holy Grail

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

pedit: You just slipped again. You claimed an Odd-Night FN but then say you hate FN without modifiers. Also you literally choked when I hinted at being in a Masonry. Dude this is certifiable scum.

Get outta here, odd night is different. That's Night Specific.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm the Day 6 fade if I'm not conf town. I get one shot on Night 5.

[Flavor Leaf]

Since I can't die tonight, or FL gets chain-lynched I might as well claim which is much grander than what my role can ever do.

I'm a Universal Backup, I softed it with my first post with the uboi. UB = Universal Backup. I also spoke about how the first PR death didn't matter at all, since I would then take it.

Spoiler: The Holy Grail

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

pedit: You just slipped again. You claimed an Odd-Night FN but then say you hate FN without modifiers. Also you literally choked when I hinted at being in a Masonry. Dude this is certifiable scum.

Get outta here, odd night is different. That's Night Specific.

It's still a modifier

yeah, but you're just nitpickin. i obviously didn't mean that kind, i meant like weak, loyal, disloyal.

this is backed up with my mod meta of using friendly neighbors but always with some sort of modifier.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Not Mafia - I am not scum. Please trust that for what that is worth. =/ Town loses this game. VP's pocketed by Jackson. or scum.

and dude, self meta is the most delicious thing ever, get outta here with that trash

[Flavor Leaf]

you're just using that as a cover to discredit.

VP re read the game. I am not scum. I don't know what else to do to convince you. Dkk and Jackson tied me together hard, and killed Andres so he wouldn't figure it out.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

See, he just confirmed it hit me!

I know because I'm good at the game, and can read you.

Your first post of the day made it incredibly obvious you got my message, and decided to pocket VP and frame me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can actually see VP/FL/DK as a scum-team

Dude, don't go tinfoil on me.

It's obvious you and I are both town here given our play yesterday with the mark/Koba choice. If I was scum, I wouldn't have tried to push the wagon back onto Koba after the fail hammer on mark.

NO! You are wrong! Jackson played that way ON PURPOSE. Ugh, VP, you have to see it. You are wrong

[Flavor Leaf]

I fucking answered the question twice.

I'm just that good is the answer.

You are actively misrepping.

[Flavor Leaf]

Again not answering the question.
Also another banger. Why would town!me not react like this if I never got a message from you, and why does my reaction make you think your message succeeded over you getting blocked/rolestoppers etc.

Okay, excuse me if I'm a bit frantic, but I'm fucking town in a game where I'm going to get misfaded and the FUCKING GAME WILL END

How the hell do you think I should be acting?

yes, I could have been roleblocked, but I'm obviously fucking frantic because I'm going to get misfaded.

How come that slips right over for you?

I AM NOT FUCKING SCUM

[Flavor Leaf]

You're just scum then. Town you would see that I'm town here, and this is a town freakout. Instead you are choosing to discredit me time and time again.

That is why you are scum.

You're agenda is why I feel like you received my message.

You misrepping and twisting my words and cutting out all possibilities where you couldnt have gotten the message out.

I'm town about to be misfaded, I GET to miss over those things.

Fucking see it if you're town, or stfu to me if you are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

@VP - I've defended you all game, if you're scum, and pocketed me, then fine. But I am not scum here, and if you are town, you need to see this. I am in frantic mode because we're going to lose the game. How is town me supposed to act in this situation? Hmm?

[Flavor Leaf]

jackson and dgb

if im tunneled, idk, maybe Not Mafia faked that doctor voyeur claim to save kkoba, maybe A50 is actually scum lurking out completely.

idk. this doesnt seem like either of their scum games, but at this point, i'm a little all over the place on who I can trust.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, why are you so worried when we just yeeted scum?

we're in perpetual lylo dude

we cant have a single misfade for the rest of the game

[Flavor Leaf]

NM claimed?

yes, he claimed doctor voyeur in the middle of that fiasco yesterday, which i think might have put marky mark over the edge

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe they did role block me. idk.

I still think it's just Jackson. he's been showing up at convenient times.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah alright that's probably the scum-team. FL/NM/DK


@FL you literally are so bad

gtfo

this is why this surface level is scum ^ he knows he got my message, VP. he's openly trolling me because he knows I'm going to get misfaded.

[Flavor Leaf]

he wants me to death tunnel him. he's literally egging me on.

it's the classic "doesn't matter if you know he's scum, if you can't fade him"

Kkoba also sent me the Rick Roll'd song. They are openly trolling me.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, ignoring your "mechanical reasons" to think I'm scum. Respond to my claim and my softs.

There's still a world of town!FL, I don't see it right now but it's possible.

why in the fuck would you ever target me? You scum slipped with that. You targeted me? LOL i was already targeted. Why would scum ever switch killers with a detective in the game?

[Flavor Leaf]

@VPB - I know what it looks like here, but I am not scum. Please see it. If you are scum, you won, but if you are town, we can still win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah alright that's probably the scum-team. FL/NM/DK


@FL you literally are so bad

gtfo

this is why this surface level is scum ^ he knows he got my message, VP. he's openly trolling me because he knows I'm going to get misfaded.

Why would you even message jackson?

You said yourself, you were defending me all game and town reading me. You could see yesterday I was obviously for turning the ship and yeeting Koba.

Why not message me?

I thought you were going to die, then people were gonna go "why would you target them? classic they were obv the kill"

jackson wasnt going to die.

and i had no clue if a50 would show up.

and Not Mafia is Not Mafia.

And Andres, idk, i got paranoid with him, that was one of my other options.

DGB is scum.

I feel like Jackson makes the most sense for me to target

[Flavor Leaf]

that was my thought process behind it all.

[Flavor Leaf]

i got triggered when Jackson posted that first post of theirs because it didnt have my message confirmation

[Flavor Leaf]

i think it's incredibly fair for me to be upset in this situation and to be a bit frantic.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is NM not scum here? He clearly was avoiding a Koba yeet.

he could be scum. I made that comment abouyt him possible only claiming doctor voyeur to help dkk live that extra day.

[Flavor Leaf]

You ignored the fact that there may be roleblockers, and then threw that shade on me. You're scum

BECAUSE IM TOWN NOT HINKING CLEARLY YARRGHY I ALREADY SAID THAT i get to not think clearly because towns gonna lose the game when the fade me you are pushing i got triggered when you didn’t confirm my message.

That is completely fair

Don’t act like i ignored the fact, i damn well acknowledged it recently. Get over it.

I got triggered, i still think you are just scum, but you hang on to the same 2 points and just rehash them over and over because you have nothing else.

You are trying to convince me that I’m scum, where as I’m trying to show everyone else why you are scum and why you are town.


That is why you are scum.

If you were town, you wouldn’t be trying to convince ME that I am scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, you've basically said everyone could be scum.

There’s only like 4 options. Yes, everyone can be scum. What is the point of this?

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, you've basically said everyone could be scum.

There’s only like 4 options. Yes, everyone can be scum. What is the point of this?

Yeah, but some people obviously look scummier than others. It's not an equal weight situation

I never said it was?

I’ve clearly stated I think it’s Jackson/DGB/Kkoba

[Flavor Leaf]

Just reread the game, please, VP.

I am town, and i kinda need you to be town here that sees it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck this game. I quit.

I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kkoba Rick Rolling me shows that scum know they are going to win by fading me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I targetted Jackson last night, he received no such message from Flavour Leaf

In retrospect FL's ever shifting claim is quite problematic.

Well, I get to try again tomorrow night for my friendly neighbor shot, and I have a 50% chance of proving I’m town that day.

[Flavor Leaf]

If i can’t do it, fade me that day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum win in that scenario, but at least we have a chance at not misfading me still.

[Flavor Leaf]

Guess it’s Not Mafia and Jackson.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless Not Mafia is scum roleblocker, I guess. Or the last scum is, and they know Jackson didn’t get my message.

[Flavor Leaf]

:/ this is the worst I’ve ever been rick roll’d

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess Not Mafia can still be town in a world where I’m roleblocked. :/

See, i immediately OMGUS always as town, then later flip and analyze. Emotions get the best of me.

I’m going to try to be okay losing this game, and I apologize for any rude comments that may come out tomorrow. Just know, I’m gonna try my best not to get triggered.

[Flavor Leaf]

But kkoba’s annoyed me all game, which is why i sent them night 1, so i wouldn’t have to deal with them, but they spent all game defending everyone i was pushing, and i just wanted to actively not interact with Kkoba.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s better now that you’re scum confirmed

[Flavor Leaf]

I both hate and respect a little more for the Rick roll message.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't feel like you're trying to solve today FL, just worrying about not getting yeeted

So? I have all of my thoughts out there. This is twilight. Nothing has changed all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day*

And i was talking about worlds where not mafia can be town still just a little while ago.

How is that not so.ving?

I am actively debating stuff. This is what I’ve been doing all game, and that’s what i do basically every game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't feel like you're trying to solve today FL, just worrying about not getting yeeted

And yes, I am worried about getting Yeet Ed because IF I GET YEETED TOWN LOSE

[Flavor Leaf]

It doesn’t matter if I have a correct solve or not. Now, it matters for the rest of the townies to have a correct solve.

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I am the one up for misfade, I guess if DGB is town, they are too, but I think DGB is scum because she’s actively trying to tie me to Kkoba and her too.

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@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

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It’s not like I’ve stopped thinking about it. I’m constantly thinking about it. I calmed down and explained that yes, i could see worlds where the two of them are individually town.

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@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I'm just saying, the way I'm going to feel better about you is seeing you work through what the logical solution is here.

Saying, "I'm town" is useless.

There are a million reasons you and NM should both be dead last night, and yet here you are. Of course it is suspicious

It’s not useless.

I’m hoping that the phrase becomes so synonymous with me, you’ll just think I’m town, and we’ll accidentally win the game that way. But i will know it’s because I incepted into your brain trying to get you to see that I’m town

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@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I'm just saying, the way I'm going to feel better about you is seeing you work through what the logical solution is here.

Saying, "I'm town" is useless.

There are a million reasons you and NM should both be dead last night, and yet here you are. Of course it is suspicious

In what world was I ever going to die last night after Marky flipped town

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@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I'm just saying, the way I'm going to feel better about you is seeing you work through what the logical solution is here.

Saying, "I'm town" is useless.

There are a million reasons you and NM should both be dead last night, and yet here you are. Of course it is suspicious

In what world was I ever going to die last night after Marky flipped town

QUICK

I am town... who is the scum then?

VP/Jackson

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@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I am having a hard time getting townread... across the board.

Hmm, maybe you’re in the same spot as me.

VP and Jackson purposefully poking at the Leaf makes sense too.

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I’m odd night.

DGB-Not Mafia
A50-Not Mafia
VP-Not Mafia
DGB-A50
DGB-VP
A50-VP

I’ll look into each of these individually when I get the chance.

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Personally, I’m starting to think it’s VP-Not Mafia, but DGB could be flipping it on me.

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After the day was ending yesterday, VP wa slushing like Jackson didn’t target that night.

Jackson specifically stated they targeted me

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How many pages do you still need to read DGB?

I just needed a summary of claims and actions, I have lost track. Not that it matters anymore tenor togameday.

Claims:

FL - Odd night Friendly Neighbor

N1 - confirmed to scum Koba
N3 - attempted to confirm to Jackson, who didn't get the message

Jackson - universal back up

N2- became detective after Infinity NK
N3 - didn't check anyone because Koba scum was caught?

Not Mafia - Indecisive Voyeur Doc

N1 - DGB
N2- FL
N3 - Jackson

Vp - unclaimed

A50 - unclaimed

Jackson said he checked me Night 3

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Personally, I’m starting to think it’s VP-Not Mafia, but DGB could be flipping it on me.

You are either drunk or scum if you think I'm scum here.

I'm willing to hear you out today, but making trash arguments is not going to make me believe you're being set up here.

No, I have a legit reason since you “forgot” Jackson’s action.

I can be wrong, sure, but it’s completely acceptable for me to think you’re scum here.

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After the day was ending yesterday, VP wa slushing like Jackson didn’t target that night.

Jackson specifically stated they targeted me

You mean when I stated I was going from memory and could be wrong? You mean the same Jackson I said was townblock from the start of the day?

That one?

Jackson mason claimed with me earlier too, town reading beginning of the game just makes it look like it was your plan.

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You aren’t, but it looks suspicious.

If you are town, the case is wrong, it’s not bad, there’s a difference. The fact you pushed it like it was bad is why you’re scummy right now.

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Everybody except for Not Mafia who was pushing VP sometime this game has died.

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Who is confirmed town?

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I haven’t gotten my friendly neighbor shot off and am super misfadeable. I just have an action that can conf town me. I’m not conf town here at all. I just am normal regular, beautiful good looking handsome town.

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I haven’t gotten my friendly neighbor shot off and am super misfadeable. I just have an action that can conf town me. I’m not conf town here at all. I just am normal regular, beautiful good looking handsome town.

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But you're right, I tried to stop the wagon on the role watcher to yeet my buddy Koba. Makes perfect sense.

But you didn’t stop it, and if scum, you are not scum alone, so picking the opposite side your partner did makes sense.

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You acting like it doesn’t make sense is scummy.

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Rolewatcher/Voyeur don’t both exist for town, just saying, VP.

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You acting like it doesn’t make sense is scummy.

I fully expect scum to come after me because I biffed Taylor.

It's not scummy at all for me to call that shit immediately. You're trying to make me being helpful into "scummy" behavior because I couldn't remember Jackson's action. I'm not going to say 'oh boy, good point!' that's stupid tinfoil garbage.

If you are town here, I'd expect you to see my reversal on Koba as very clear town play and help me identify a scum so we can keep you alive to confirm being FN.

Disagree. Scum would do that immediately, wouldn’t they?

I’m not saying town you wouldn’t necessarily do it, but I can’t tell the difference over here.

Expect me to see your reversal on incredibly obvious scum after Marky Mark?

I was going back and forth with Marky Mark and Dkkk too. Thing is, logic wise, it made sense to go Marky Mark. And that happened after Not Mafia came in and claimed.

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I am not looking for 2 scum today. I am looking for 1. 1 in VP, DGB, and A50.

DGB is incredibly tied to Dkk as well.

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A50’s been absent, we’ve rushed through the days, we definitely need to have him post more.

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The fact you were the only one not to choose Marky Mark looks like you purposefully chose to White Knight them, VP, especially now that you’re trying to use that as a defense.

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Okay, then if you’re town, you’re mission is to successfully see that I’m town too.