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[JacksonVirgo]

Why would you targeting Math mean anything of their alignment

[JacksonVirgo]

Good going guys, we managed to out 3 town PRs by day 2.

Oh? I thought it was just you and koba that claimed so far

[JacksonVirgo]

why would i be like "lol mark ignored me so conf scum"

The thing is, that doesn't make him too much more likely to be scum.

PEdit: well cause of koba's claim we know that mark is PR as well

Oh I thought they targeted Math aka Flavor Leaf, and they shouldn't get feedback if their action succeeded would they? They're not a Checker.

Meaning there's no way Koba would know that their target is PR or not unless the target themself claimed they got a message and even so that would mean they're NOT pr

I think I'm getting confused

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I misread, I thought they said math needs to claim because they targeted, I missed the last bit

[JacksonVirgo]

Rolestopper/Ascetic/Jailkeeper etc is still possibilities

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE: DkKoba

They're probably self-resolving now, even though I don't like the way they play and I want to yeet them anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Koba

Actually no

[JacksonVirgo]

If you don't give a good readslist or whatnot I wouldn't mind you dead, regardless of being a PR or not as your way of using it and just instantly outting a PR when you claim is stupid.

It's not like we'd lose the utility

[JacksonVirgo]

Someone answer this. Why would scum!koba out the fact they found a PR and who it is.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you don't give a good readslist or whatnot I wouldn't mind you dead, regardless of being a PR or not as your way of using it and just instantly outting a PR when you claim is stupid.

It's not like we'd lose the utility

this is so incredibly scummy i have to actually reevaluate my reads list

Not really but I'm saying nothing more

[JacksonVirgo]

Someone answer this. Why would scum!koba out the fact they found a PR and who it is.

idk u tell me bc ur voting me (wish i had a clown emoji for u)

Shut up I'm trying to see if you're scum or just stupid town.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Taylor.
a) Where's the WIFOM in doing that, and what use would it have for scum to wifom there outside of just saying they found a PR or something.

b) If they already found the PR, why would they need to rolefish? And kill who? Mark? That's doing the complete opposite

c) This might be the only fair counter to that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Infinity, why vote here may I ask

[JacksonVirgo]

Infinity, why vote here may I ask

why did YOU vote here?

I've said many reasons

[JacksonVirgo]

Make a case on Taylor and I might bite

[JacksonVirgo]

-_-

[JacksonVirgo]

So you made that read-list now, and not before and then you faked not sending it to try and defend yourself?

[JacksonVirgo]

taylor is maybe the most blatant mafia ive ever seen in a game. both jackson and infinity are unable to even give a read on her rn.

THEN EXPLAIN YOUR GODDAMN READ!

There's no use in telling us that someone is scum if you can't convince anyone else that they are, get off your high-horse and actually contribute to the town instead of being a literal fucking brick that attacks anything that shows any sign of attacking you.

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

I'm off to work post soon

[JacksonVirgo]

they realized its homophobia to vote for me

What?

[JacksonVirgo]

I was only really voting them for pressure, I think they’re likely Town and/or self resolvable as I believe Inhinted at with my questions and said bluntly.

[JacksonVirgo]

Someone answer this. Why would scum!koba out the fact they found a PR and who it is.

Around about when I realized this.

[JacksonVirgo]

Someone answer this. Why would scum!koba out the fact they found a PR and who it is.

Around about when I realized this.

This was an answer to

I was only really voting them for pressure, I think they’re likely Town and/or self resolvable as I believe Inhinted at with my questions and said bluntly.

When did you start to think Koba was town?

[JacksonVirgo]

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

[JacksonVirgo]

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

[JacksonVirgo]

Official Vote Count 1.13

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Geraintm: 7

(ELIMINATED)

(

Gamma Emerald

, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324,

Tayl0r Swift, Almost50, Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324: 3

(Andresvmb, geraintm, DkKoba)

DkKoba: 2

(JacksonVirgo, Not_Mafia)

Not Voting: 1

(Flavor Leaf)

gamma is green. im pretty confident in saying A50 and mark are green. unless there were no scum on the wagon, theres scum in infinity, dgb, and vp. i think infinity's claim is townie. that leaves a 50-50 shot unless it was an all-town wagon. i could see both of them as scum though.

Alright yeah this looks bad for Dripping, Infinity and/or Taylor. At least one of those is scum, I think I've been super biasing Infinity as town. Taylor is kinda meh, they were a TR but then they kinda dropped and I'm not entirely sure of my read on them but I would vote them more than Infinity if given the choice.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am vanilla and have too many toen reads, nothing of value will have been lost.

But....I need people with brains to back me up here...


Anyhow, I'm very comfortable in taking Taylor up on her proposition. I think scum is far more likely in the Taylor, infinity combo (possibly in A50 or Mark, though less likely), than in DGB. I know I'm town and will happily put my life on the line for this bargain. Plus it helps clean up the geraintm wagon further, which is bad for scum.

I have a brain I think.

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodging for now, apologies

[JacksonVirgo]

Did someone claim Cop?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are you doing setup spec?

[JacksonVirgo]

Eliminating the Detective claim is literally stupid, as if they're real they are a threat to the Mafia and could maybe be checked by another possible investigative role. If they're fake, there is almost 100% a town investigative that can check them and yeet them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Cause I think it would be ridiculous to lim me as an un-cc'ed investigative (but apparently I'm dumb)

Are they broken

[JacksonVirgo]

That being said

VOTE: Taylor

[JacksonVirgo]

I skimmed the game kinda when I could yesterday and this morning and my town bracket probably contains Mark, Koba, VP, Flavor, A50, Andres and Infinity

Leaving Dripping/Taylor/Not_Mafia respectively.

I am wrong on at least one Town and if anything it would be VP and/or Andres as I'm fairly confident in the rest.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mark - General tone and content are extremely townie, clearly my strongest TR.
Koba - I hate the way they play, but that one town-slip thing they said makes it extremely difficult to imagine they are scum anymore. Kinda shitty my read was wrong, but oh well.
VP - General tone and presence says they're Town to me but I'm not as confident on this read as I am on Mark
Flavor Leaf - Their tone just screams cocky town if anything, I am taking A50's read into account with this one where they said they were very consistant as scum and breaking that is townie.
A50 - General tone and doesn't scream scum to me, I should also add this in the possibly wrong bracket though.
Andres - Weaker read but seems to be actively trying to town-solve. Switch this with A50 in the possibly wrong bracket now that I think about it.
Infinity - This is just Town, possibly if both Dripping and Taylor flip Town will this flip scum but I seriously seriously doubt that.

TL;DR VP and A50 are now in my possibly scum pile in my town bracket.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah man, that Jackson vote looks like bussing, which triggers my tahylor/Jackson feels...

Seriously, you can just fuck off with these types of posts

[JacksonVirgo]

Not to be an asshole about it or anything but they're semi-useless posts and you just. keep. doing. them

[JacksonVirgo]

Why is FL mod confirmed town? I’m on my rest break which is ending in 3 minutes

[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy finished work

[JacksonVirgo]

its like so lowkey that taylor wants to hide that intent and then they make excuses abt it when i prodded.

scum!taylor implies town!FL 100%

What's the point of the latter if you knew they were Town?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also confirmed town!FL (kinda) is probably good as I was slowly falling into paranoia

[JacksonVirgo]

Koba
A50
Marky Mark
Infinity
VPB
DGB
Taylor
Not Mafia
Andres
Jackson

Is probably where I’m actually at right now. I probably have a scum in my top half

What was your case on me, I literally have no idea how I am down so low.

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s not a terrible readslist. Talk to me about jackson, may come around on them.

They just don’t stand out unless they are posting, and they always seem to be on the side. I should look deeper into them, but I just think they make sense as the 3rd scum in a lot of different combinations.

I also felt a lot of Taylor/Jackson stuff, and they also appeared during the everyone turn on Flavor let’s flip flavor maybe conversation.

I don't stand out until I post?? Isn't that just normal??

If I look into the perspective of scum!me. You reading me as scum only for associations with other's, that's a terrible read and a terrible reason to yeet someone. Say I was scum, and you flip me yay good for you but now you have no idea who to flip from now. If you yeet Taylor and you see me as a scum buddy with them, and they flip Town your read kinda dies but if I flip Town here like I will and you read me and Taylor as buddies. You will still yeet Taylor and thus wasting a yeet.

Am I making any sense, what I am saying is going by associations without flips is stupid. If you make a case on me I'll defend it with my darnest but as of right now the read on me is silly.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also even if you're conftown I'm gonna call out your bullfuckery I hope you realise lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

i think the teams look something like
{VPB, FL, A50}
{A50, JV, VPB}
{NM, VPB, koba}

the last one is maybe less likely

You say in an earlier post that I HAVE to be scum, yet don't put me in 2/3 of these. Bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

me, vp, andres, dgb, ok yeah thats l-2

I'm on Taylor too iirc,

[JacksonVirgo]

@Taylor - if you are town, you better see that I’m town after all that.

If it weren’t for me, you’d have been faded.

i mean ive been calling you town. and saying this is TvT. but for sure there were other people defending me. like infinity, A50, mark sometimes, dgb once in a while, NM.

i think id like to flip JV today. scum JV doesnt have the same thread presence or activity as town!JV. this is pretty wallpapery.

You're not flipping me today, try again boo.

Also what is wallpapery mean.

[JacksonVirgo]

I suspect JV may be a prisoner of timezones somewhat in terms of his posting frequency as he doesn't usually seem to be on at the same time as the action is going down

I'm in Australia and I also work in irregular schedules and go to hospital a lot for my girlfriend (and myself last time) so maybe that's what it is.

[JacksonVirgo]

A Regular Friendly Neighbor doesn’t know their target is town, you role copped me and are TMI’ing right now.

Oh? If that is actually a TMI holy shit

[JacksonVirgo]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

Is that a problem? I'm confused

[JacksonVirgo]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

lurky JV is scum JV

Where the hell did you pull this out of? Your ass? Read my latest scum game

[JacksonVirgo]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

lurky JV is scum JV

Where the hell did you pull this out of? Your ass? Read my latest scum game

Yeah that's the one where I had the most posts out of everyone in the game for almost the entire game.

Quit your misrepresentation

[JacksonVirgo]

JV wasnt lurky initially but sure is now.

Because I'm fucking busy. I was in hospital, visiting my girlfriend in hospital, working, visiting a friend I have not seen in nearly a year, going to get donuts from the main city (I went out for day once just for donuts and it was worth it omg)

[JacksonVirgo]

its like so lowkey that taylor wants to hide that intent and then they make excuses abt it when i prodded.

scum!taylor implies town!FL 100%

What's the point of the latter if you knew they were Town?

have u considered im not a player who likes to show their hand right away until i have to/i feel its right to?

I did, just wanted to hear what you replied.

[JacksonVirgo]

A Regular Friendly Neighbor doesn’t know their target is town, you role copped me and are TMI’ing right now.

Oh? If that is actually a TMI holy shit

You see it too, right?

I see it kinda, although I am unsure if you were referring to them rolecopping your role (and if you're a cop or some shit too) or if you're saying that they misunderstood what FN did and they TMI'd to us that Koba is town (wording sucks but am I making sense)

The latter is a weaker one, but if the former is real then they're highly likely scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

I also could be reading everything completely wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry taylor that I got madish, I just do not like being cased about an absolute lie.

[JacksonVirgo]

The reason why it's weaker imo, is that if Town misunderstood what FN does it could lead to the same kind of situation.

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Legend

CT - Confirmed Town
ACT - Australian Capital Territory, also Almost Confirmed Town
TR - Town Read
TL - Town Lean
NT - Null Town
NL - Null
NS - Null Scum
SL - Scum Lean
SR - Scum Read
ACS - Almost Confirmed Scum
CS - Confirmed Scum

CT- { }
ACT- { Flavor Leaf }
TR- { DkKoba, Infinity 324, Marky Mark }
TL- { VP Baltar, Almost50 }
NT- { Andresvmb }
NL- { }
NS- { Not_Mafia }
SL- { DrippingGoofball }
SR- { Tayl0r Swift }
ACS- { }
CS- { }

This is probably where I stand aorn. I'm not willing to put FL into the CT category until they are. It's pretty stupid if scum!koba and scum!FL to do this but still, professionals have standards.

[JacksonVirgo]

Does anyone else see how bullshit Taylors case on me is?

[JacksonVirgo]

Idk your meta, but taylor is town.

They say I lurk as scum, but check my sig for my latest scum game... It's fucking bullshit

Also why do you think Taylor is town? Their logic is opportunistic, contradictory and also wrong.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

What vote specifically, and can I ask why you are thinking this after I "ranted" (I don't see where I ranted at all?)

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off to sleep, nightio

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude I swear I was voting Taylor

VOTE: Taylor

[JacksonVirgo]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

Is that a problem? I'm confused

By problem, I mean it would be an obvious solve here if you are scum, but I have a hard time seeing that when I read your posts. I could be getting snowed by someone, and I don't like that

What would be the solve if I was scum? From what I remember you said that I'm the center of a bunch of scum-teams so it wouldn't be an obvious solve at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

Like this is why I'm finding it hard with DGB ATM - if I pursue a slot that keeps deflecting I get painted with confbias/tunneling and if I don't then they slink back under the radar

Why do you have an issue with deathtunneling who you think is scum. A 1 for 1 is against scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

-- pedit: After the mailman claim, she seemed very likely town for a few reasons
-Town mailman seems a more likely role on average than scum mailman in terms of setups
-She was SRing me and her reaction seemed to very much be of a townie who thought they might have caught scum
-I just don't see why scum!dk would benefit particularly from revealing their hand there (I guess you could argue to let them scumbuddies know bc no daytalk, but what are they going to do with that info during the day?)

I am now reading dk as pretty much conftown as it seems v likely that they and FL are legit re FL's FN claim

Trying to assume the alignment of a claim is pointless until a mass-claim happens so I am going to forget you said that. The second point confuses me and the third one is why I TR them now but that read may be a little bit weaker (only a small bit) because I keep forgetting day-talk isn't a thing.

[JacksonVirgo]

https://secretlab.co/collections/omega-series bought me one of these!

Fuck that looks cool as hell!

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't get behind JV. And the fact that everyone finds them a possible scum is a red flag to me that they likely are not.

A50 or DGB may be alternatives to Taylor today, but I think our alota have to get resolved sooner rather than later for town to win. Either by yeet or night actions.

I do not understand why you TR me, it sounds fake as balls. There are plenty of scenarios where everyone can SR one person, yet that doesn't make me town for it.

Am I just misunderstanding or is the point you're making is that if I were scum I would have a suitable counterwag- oh wait whats Taylor.

[JacksonVirgo]

Doesn't no day-talk mean an Encryptor can exist and thus scum do have day-talk? Nothing of use but I think using day-talk or lack thereof as a reason to SR someone is dumb.

[JacksonVirgo]

FL, you sure this is town?

Don't like this post at all, starting to lean a more likely scum!VP than before

[JacksonVirgo]

I do not understand why you TR me

I don't. That's your problem.

You make a lot of logical sense as partner with Taylor.

What I said was I haven't found your posting overly scummy, despite it making sense if Taylor flips red. I'm not going to support a wagon on an associative before a flip though.

The fact you're coming in to chainsaw for taylor now with a misreading of my statement only further proves my point.

So you are fencesitty on me and you only scum-read me in association with Taylor which is a garbage read to begin with.

[JacksonVirgo]

Taylor's a garbage read? You sure about that?

Fuck this misrepping bs. Read again

[JacksonVirgo]

OHHH I take that back. Wording is bad.

[JacksonVirgo]

The read in association read is garbage. I agree with scum!taylor

[JacksonVirgo]

The read in association read is garbage. I agree with scum!taylor

I could be wrong.

But so I'm understanding you correctly, you think both Taylor and I could be scum here?

You've gotten more scum equity than what I thought you had before so yeah I think you both could be scum. Whether or not you are both together is, as I said, a pointless read without flips. I am definitely not going to push you today, as Taylor is leagues scummier than you are.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Jackson - If Taylor and I are both scum, I deserve a damn Scummy nomination.

Anyhow, Taylor is still at L-2?

Sorry but no you don't lol, especially when you say stuff like that.

[JacksonVirgo]

that we've rushed this.

Looks at page count. Looks directly into camera.

Lmfaooooooooooo
VP:

[JacksonVirgo]

Targeting A50

ghjiyf86ygiuh;ju879t86ygiuhoiu876trtf

Are you actually shitting me... this... with your role.. smh

[JacksonVirgo]

Flip. Right, regardless of alignment this isn't good that we've rushed this. without being able to organize ourselves.

Infinity - I really need to know who you are targetting tonight or I can't verify you

A50 - I would really really like to know who your preferred elim choice(s) would've been before we have any sort of flip to provide some accountability

Dude are you serious? You want the detective to claim their target? In other words, FORCE the detective to get a negative result even if they hit scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Targeting A50

ghjiyf86ygiuh;ju879t86ygiuhoiu876trtf

Are you actually shitting me... this... with your role.. smh

What?

I’m just finding whoever did the n1 kill, this way mark can verify me

...

What the literal fuck

[JacksonVirgo]

Jesus, is that too obvious to be a CW attempt?

CW? Court Wizard? Counter-Wagon?

[JacksonVirgo]

Infinity is obviously Town there's no need to verify shit

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't care how many people are voting or not voting Tayl0r right now. She needs to claim.

^

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m at work, well just finished, I’ll post when I get home

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so who did FL FN

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so who did FL FN

I’m odd night, but I gambited with VP.

Alright, how did you gambit with VP? Wouldn’t they know you’re either fake or bluffing if you said you targeted them?

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

[JacksonVirgo]

Clarification: multitasking mailman

So they’re Mafia. What reason would a Town have to have multitasking without a second ability ?

[JacksonVirgo]

Mark FL Koba all scum in that case

[JacksonVirgo]

I am town no matter what fuckery is going on.

If you’re Loyal claim now, because if you are you’d be scum with Koba

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay so haha I see why Infinity died. They were checking Scum. So DGB is Scum. Koba is Scum. And they employed a gambit with Flavor who is also Scum.

Dude, you need to see I’m town.

Like at this point, I get it, but I’m an Odd-Night Friendly Neighbor full stop.

Alternatively Marky mark could be scum here faking a guilty, but i don’t think it was necessary.

VOTE: Koba

I swear if this flips red I’m gonna be so mad for dropping my death tunnel AGAIN

[JacksonVirgo]

@Andres - we are tying ourselves way too close together for us to be scum here.

Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 have barely touched this day phase.

Are you fucking serious? I've just finished a 9 hour shift, sorry that I have a life jfc

[JacksonVirgo]

Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would scum openly 1 for 1 like this, knowing that you and FL were both almost lock-town. They wouldn't, it'd be stupid.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright I just finished work again, kinda fell asleep yesterday before I got to post so I’ll do so when I get home.


Are we in LyLo or something btw? Because if not, Mark has no reason to do this as scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh it’s twilight? Someone hammered? Fuck sake

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

They hard claimed not Loyal.

Bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

They hard claimed not Loyal.

Bruh

You’re like so late to this. Read the first part of the day.

Maybe if SOMEONE DIDNT HAMMER I COULD HAVE

Jfc

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll do so when I get home if the threads not locked

[JacksonVirgo]

Detective was a useless role with a multitasking mafia duder that is the only one that would do a kill really.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright I just finished work again, kinda fell asleep yesterday before I got to post so I’ll do so when I get home.

You did post though in the thick of things?

What do you mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright I just finished work again, kinda fell asleep yesterday before I got to post so I’ll do so when I get home.

You did post though in the thick of things?

What do you mean?

Trying to determine where you fell asleep. You were posting as the day started, but we might have missed you after Mark claimed. I didn't quite get to that point as I was rereading

I started work 8am yesterday and finished at 5pm. I stayed at work for a bit because I have to ride a bike to and from which takes 30minutes. After that I got home and talked to people for a bit and then had dinner, I then went to my room and fell asleep.

So I really had no time except for that 30 minutes after work and a few minutes here and there.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sup

VOTE: Koba

[JacksonVirgo]

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

[JacksonVirgo]

Koba, not gonna lie though, I am super pissed that I retracted my death tunnel on scum AGAIN.
Though how you made me switch my read was pretty genius, even if it was an accident.

[JacksonVirgo]

Koba should have been yeeted yesterday, scum has NO reason to force a 1 for 1 in that situation.

[JacksonVirgo]

Speed hammer here bois

[JacksonVirgo]

foe'd koba lel

[JacksonVirgo]

foe'd koba lel

foe doesnt work in mafia forums nice try

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a feeling it's DK/FL/VP give or take FL/VP.

[JacksonVirgo]

(is it illegal to suggest koba replace out so that their replacement jumps into a dead slot? Because that would be hilarious)

Don't actually do it it's just a joke.

[JacksonVirgo]

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

Like fucking ass lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's FL/Koba nice.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I have the benefit of not dying tonight, which is double fun!

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

This is exactly why.

I have to target someone that wasn't going to die. I almost went Andres. And if you were town, you would confirm me as town here.

What? Explain why scum!me would not kill you here. Let me reiterate my point. You would likely target Town with your action and thus be completely confirmed, your case is so broken it's actually terrifying to think why you even planned to do this lmfao.

And why would I ever 1 for 1 with you like this to begin with.

[JacksonVirgo]

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mafia is just trolling at this point, but why. I don't understand why FL would just yeet their entire existance out the window trying to yeet one of the Masonry.

[JacksonVirgo]

FL slipped btw, with what I quoted before. But anyway, I digress this game is literally so bad my eyes fell out.

[JacksonVirgo]

VP come back, I miss you

[JacksonVirgo]

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.

Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.

I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

And you know this, how? Lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

This feels like one of those times where I am overtired and everything is just so strange it's hilarious.

I'll come back later maybe

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I can't die tonight, or FL gets chain-lynched I might as well claim which is much grander than what my role can ever do.

I'm a Universal Backup, I softed it with my first post with the uboi. UB = Universal Backup. I also spoke about how the first PR death didn't matter at all, since I would then take it.

Spoiler: The Holy Grail

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

pedit: You just slipped again. You claimed an Odd-Night FN but then say you hate FN without modifiers. Also you literally choked when I hinted at being in a Masonry. Dude this is certifiable scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

You made a grave mistake forcing a 1v1 with me.

I checked FL last night as literally my check did not matter as Koba was going to do the kill regardless. I'm lowkey thinking they tracked me or something and freaked and forced themselves into a 1v1 with me

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait you actually believe their bs, that's depressing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I understand why you did that FL now. It's LyLo, we yeet scum you kill and you set up a lynch on me for the following day.

[JacksonVirgo]

Of course I'm assuming three scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait you actually believe their bs, that's depressing.

No, I mean FL is just spaghetting everywhere. We cool.

That's actually, a very accurate explanation for that

[JacksonVirgo]

Who would be the final scum? I'm unsure

[JacksonVirgo]

Who would be the final scum? I'm unsure

I won't WIFOM today, but it's pretty narrow choices, right?

We have 2 free days now. We have time, I recommend against a mass-claim until both FL/Koba are out of the game to not give scum more information than we need to give them.

[JacksonVirgo]

NM, DGB, A50, VP are all the possibilities if you choose everyone except myself.
I would assume it's between NM and A50 personally but I'm unsure at the moment.


A50 is vastly different than their recent Large, I forget if they've played in games between then and now I'll have to check.
N_M is going to be the one thorn to solve if they're Town.
I'll have to look through your (VP) ISO and since there's some stuff that's pinged me about you and other's that haven't.
Same with DGB

I can actually see VP/FL/DK as a scum-team that would be so brutal we'd probably lose, especially with everyone else being how active they generally are. Also which do we yeet first? Probably FL as their role is unknown, but from an outsider pov it's more certain to hit scum in Koba and I'm really fine either way.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I can't die tonight, or FL gets chain-lynched I might as well claim which is much grander than what my role can ever do.

I'm a Universal Backup, I softed it with my first post with the uboi. UB = Universal Backup. I also spoke about how the first PR death didn't matter at all, since I would then take it.

Spoiler: The Holy Grail

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

pedit: You just slipped again. You claimed an Odd-Night FN but then say you hate FN without modifiers. Also you literally choked when I hinted at being in a Masonry. Dude this is certifiable scum.

Get outta here, odd night is different. That's Night Specific.

It's still a modifier

[JacksonVirgo]

Self-meta, ew

[JacksonVirgo]

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

[JacksonVirgo]

Again not answering the question.
Also another banger. Why would town!me not react like this if I never got a message from you, and why does my reaction make you think your message succeeded over you getting blocked/rolestoppers etc.

[JacksonVirgo]

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

See, he just confirmed it hit me!

I know because I'm good at the game, and can read you.

Your first post of the day made it incredibly obvious you got my message, and decided to pocket VP and frame me.

bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

Sup

VOTE: Koba

My first post... yes.. this does seem like I confirmed you visited me... very nice

[JacksonVirgo]

I fucking answered the question twice.

I'm just that good is the answer.

You are actively misrepping.

Uh huh, I'm going to choose to ignore you now.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're deathtunneling me for something, that from your perspective, is not even anything you can use against me.

Objectively, there is more chance that your action was intercepted than scum!me lying about my feedback to force a 1v1 with you. Your very first post calling me out on that was a perspective slip, since you knew nothing could have interfered with the check because you simply aren't what you claim. You then likely saw that you slipped and instead of burying it, you throw it right back at me to make me look worse, which is honestly what I would expect from scum!you to do since I assume you're super experienced considering your signature.

[JacksonVirgo]

NM claimed?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah alright that's probably the scum-team. FL/NM/DK


@FL you literally are so bad

[JacksonVirgo]

FL, ignoring your "mechanical reasons" to think I'm scum. Respond to my claim and my softs.

There's still a world of town!FL, I don't see it right now but it's possible.

[JacksonVirgo]

That works well with my last post lmfao.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I ever want you to deathtunnel me as scum

[JacksonVirgo]

FL, ignoring your "mechanical reasons" to think I'm scum. Respond to my claim and my softs.

There's still a world of town!FL, I don't see it right now but it's possible.

why in the fuck would you ever target me? You scum slipped with that. You targeted me? LOL i was already targeted. Why would scum ever switch killers with a detective in the game?

Detective was dead, you had no idea that there was another one, actually chances were you thought it was gone for good. Also with Koba alive, as I said, they would be only one doing the kills not only because they're multi-tasking but also because they were confirmed scum anyway.

It was essentially a check for the sake of a check, I knew I was going to get a negative result but it's way better than checking the confirmed scum and get an almost certain positive result.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're seriously pocketing them while screaming that I'm pocketing them.

[JacksonVirgo]

You ignored the fact that there may be roleblockers, and then threw that shade on me. You're scum

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, you've basically said everyone could be scum.

This is aimed at who exactly?

[JacksonVirgo]

BRUH

[JacksonVirgo]

Mafia kinda assed their way to a victory ngl, Mark should have never been eliminated especially when scum would never do that play outside of LyLo as I said, FL/Koba's gambit was too risky to ever be a viable play in practice especially if you have zero hints on what Town PRs are, A50 buried their ass all the way to oblivion and yet still wasn't eliminated for some reason lmfao. FL was openwolfing from the moment they suspected me of being scum forcing a 1v1 with them, also it was scummy 3p hunting with the Traitor bs. Them also dipping in and out of a loyal claim was scummy as all fuck and is probably what made me lock them as wolf buddies when Koba died.

It was a good game regardless, kinda salty my hard work died off lmfao. I also put suspicion on N_M when I saw their claim not because I SR them but because I wanted them alive more. I probably(?) read Koba as scum for the wrong reasons or whatever the term is because I mainly get my strong SRs off of gut mainly as I said and I was still suspecting FL even when they were "conftown" which is a bit telling of how well they did as scum in this game (in ways to say lackluster compared to what I expect of them ngl). I'm no god at Mafia at all I'm just saying how I see it.

Either way grats to the Mafia and punches in the face to all Town including myself.

[JacksonVirgo]

if mark called me out while I was townreading him in the game state i would have gone down for sure and that would have been logical play. The gamestate as was, made it a true 50/50 for the uninformed I feel.

It wasn't LyLo, and thus Mark would never do that as scum or if they did it would be pointless so Mark was the worst elim choice out of the pair.

[JacksonVirgo]

We looped in logic and reasoning to make sure Marky made sense as the fade there. In hindsight, yes, it looks incredibly weird, but on the day, and in the arena itself, it became almost undeniably certain Marky had to be the fade that day.

That's why in dead threads and spectating it's easier to see scum, which is why I'll give ya a little wink wink in the dead thread. Play the players in the game.

Majority of the reads I have now I've been saying while I was alive.

[JacksonVirgo]

as someone who wins a lot of CCs as both alignments, you need a solid case on me. I don't accept "policy guilty elim" as an answer ever.

You don't need to accept shite if you get yeeted.

[JacksonVirgo]

Thanks for modding, Glitch!

^ Agreed, it was really fun

[JacksonVirgo]

I should probably make a thing in my FM record for "Times you deathtunnel scum only to retract last minute and they flip wolf"

[JacksonVirgo]

as someone who wins a lot of CCs as both alignments, you need a solid case on me. I don't accept "policy guilty elim" as an answer ever.

You don't need to accept shite if you get yeeted.

can't wait to fake guilty you sometime in the future then before lylo

Can't wait to reveal myself as the IC when you do that

[JacksonVirgo]

Your biggest mistake was saying "FL Scum Never kills me here" which I made you take that statement to the grave with you which indirectly counters you.

This was a wifom statement I was hoping VP would pick up on if I died, especially after you semi-retracted off me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Koba if you ever play a game with IC!me. Make sure to deathtunnel me after I reveal, thank

[JacksonVirgo]

Your biggest mistake was saying "FL Scum Never kills me here" which I made you take that statement to the grave with you which indirectly counters you.

This was a wifom statement I was hoping VP would pick up on if I died, especially after you semi-retracted off me.

dont wifom in lylo. just say it striaght lol

big town mistake is not putting their true thoughts on the table when it really matters.

No, as me saying it is also wifom.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can’t really filter you out mentally very well, and third party tools are banned now

Third-party tools are banned? Wdym?

[JacksonVirgo]

You all will never know my redacted sentence in the dead PT >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

I am fairly happy about how I played this game, minus a bit of unneeded toxicity and prematurely claiming.

Learning experiences, hopefully next time I can word my suspicions better... now on to the next normal!