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[Vaxkiller]

Whata mod pizza? is that like a west coast thing?

VOTE: cabd

for raisins

[Vaxkiller]

So many people to vote

[Vaxkiller]

Can we get a wagon going and start this?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: benhalkum

[Vaxkiller]

I mean you ahve to listen to page tops

[Vaxkiller]

*shrug*

[Vaxkiller]

I see your vote, and a counter with a wagon
VOTE: fferyllt

[Vaxkiller]

A page 6 reads list? lol!

VOTE: elements

I may unvote if that reads list a joke or something.

Lets wagon this instead. ffiellt wasnt anything anyway.

[Vaxkiller]

A page 6 reads list? lol!

what's wrong with a page 6 read list

is how I read 126. It's so obviously sarcastic that it fells forced and as if it's trying to get people to join in "for the meme" as it were

i get what you're saying but i feel it's pretty innocuous

it is a page 7 read list

So, you act like there's nothing wrong with a reads list this early and also shrug it off at the same time.

I like my vote more now.

[Vaxkiller]

Spooky, cabd vote elements with me. You have both brought up valid points on him, now put actions to your words.

[Vaxkiller]

@elements, you also seem to waiver on every read you have been questioned on.

@mod, do you think his reasoning for voting me over others is really valid?

This afternoon is all phone posting btw

[Vaxkiller]

@mod, do you think his reasoning for voting me over others is really valid?

I'm not sure NPOM can answer that question, feels like it would breach the integrity of the game.

@mod sry disregard earlier @

I meant it to say @modpizza

[Vaxkiller]

Vax is weird. Overly aggressive and positioning for its own sake can work if you have the right idea/it's a weak table.

I shrugged off the early disconnect but the positioning above just seems clueless. Going out of their way to show bravado and be aggressive while also being sure to hedge w/ letting us know it's a phone post.

Maybe you just don't know me. We all have our own style.

Did the mentioning that these are phone posts come off as "hedging my reads" to you? That seems like a stretch. It was really just a comment on probably misspelling or typing or formatting.

[Vaxkiller]

DGB hasnt really said or done enough this game yet. Yo really think hes scum pooky or are you just reaction testing?

[Vaxkiller]

Also I prefer she/they pronouns thanks

I usually try really hard to just use they, sometimes I slip up. Regardless its my fault, and I'm sorry.

Also (to anyone) if my persona is a little to much please let me know, as the real me is nothing like how I play this game. I'm a little boisterous because I feel like my voice sometimes get lost in the veterans and better players than myself. Deep down I know I'm not that great at this game, but I just want my opinion/thoughts to be heard.


Ok back to it

[Vaxkiller]

why would I reaction-test someone I know to be red.

are you trolling me Vaxkiller?

No dude, not trolling.

But seriously, like is DGB know for shit posting at the start of a game as being scum?

I'm not questioning your ability, its just that theres not alot of content there.

[Vaxkiller]

Vaxkiller hasn't posted a whole lot, but what I see so far is decently town.

I hope his shots are up to date!

I stared at this far to long trying to read into waht it meant before realizing it.

[Vaxkiller]

yay i have caught up

VOTE: elements ama

lol this dude is town

I mean there is like a 1% chance hes white knighting me... but lol, why me?

[Vaxkiller]

to elaborate:

Why would someone who hasnt been here come in and vote elements? Like MAYBE elements isnt scum but its not exactly the place where scum would want to put a vote right now, when im the better choice. (or even pookys push on dgb... not a great choice because of the opposition, but it does have some pooky behind it)

[Vaxkiller]

when you say whiteknighting you mean something else, right? cuz they're kinda doing the opposite of white-knighting ...

Sorry for the pronoun.

Yes, I was referring to you white knighting, because its basically just me an you voting elements. I mean yes I dont see glowing towny thoughts on me, but I took your actions of voting elements into account.

actions > words

[Vaxkiller]

skitter30 is town. Anyone can fight me on that.

[Vaxkiller]

dgb red because she's avoiding me.

if she was town she'd be trying to kill me with a hammer.

Why?

[Vaxkiller]

skitter30 is town. Anyone can fight me on that.

lol no

Like no I wont fight you or no she isnt town?

[Vaxkiller]

@pooky
Like, my opinion on elements is pretty unpopular, you really think scum reads into a game and chooses that one?

They were so town they didnt even think when I mentioned a possibility of 1% white knight, they didnt consider themselves (altho I messed up the pronoun)

[Vaxkiller]

Maybe im, thinking to much about myself. Skitter ahs thier own opinion, and its not necessarily mine.


No. On seconds thought, scum would look into this more, they would see peoples opinions, they wouldnt go this route.

[Vaxkiller]

Pooky, skitter, wahts going on with cabd?

[Vaxkiller]

skitter why is the paranoid thought going thru my head that mena challenged you in the scum PT to pocket me to show him how it's done?

Pookie your messing with my head.

[Vaxkiller]

Pookie your messing with my head.

it's just something for me to laugh at when the game is over in case that's what actually happened here.

very low chance it actually is true.

that's why they're called paranoid thoughts.

Yea, problem is I always start listening to those thoughts... I start trusting them as "gut" and then before I know it, its "fact".

Im going to pretend we didn't have this conversation.

[Vaxkiller]

Pooky.

You.

Me.

Lets be town buds this game.

[Vaxkiller]

I want to let skitter in too

[Vaxkiller]

I want to play dota, but this game is too good right now!

[Vaxkiller]

Pookie you just going to ignore me like that?

[Vaxkiller]

Its obvious! (maybe not early on)

As scum I spend most of my time scheming and planning (I love it)

As town I just post EVERY thought and sometimes I get a good game (like this one) and I feel particularly bold and and town the fuck out of it by going over board. There was one boonskies game I played many years ago like that.... we lost tho

[Vaxkiller]

above post @ pookie

[Vaxkiller]

damnit!

[Vaxkiller]

Why would someone who hasnt been here come in and vote elements?

Vanity wagons are safe.

Maybe they're bus'ing?

Who knows.

Its not a vanity wagon tho, the only other person on that "wagon" is me, who is widely suspect at the moment.

[Vaxkiller]

vanity wagon would be benhalkum

[Vaxkiller]

Cabd

- it's been so long, whassup?

GLADIATE: Pizza and Myself

GLADIATE: Pizza and Myself

What. Goofs is here!?!?

INORITE

yeet yeet yeet yeet yeet

I'm so goddamn desperate to get a red PM these days, I feel like I ought to go sign up for six more games to have a shot at one. Fakegod's antechamber fakeout is the closest I'm gonna get this year.

I'm reading this like it's being played in a telenovella.

The lady doth protests too much.

Bob Lanier, St. Bonaventure, 1967-1970

Hey mod

That boy was tall for his age!

I had a lot to say, but im going to wait on some of it as it doesn't seem appropriate at this moment? I do have a request tho, you guys keep saying "mena" and I think you mean modpizza. (I saw the alt slip, but im not really familiar with either name) Can you guys just call them modpizza plz, its really hard to keep track of.

[Vaxkiller]

damnit! Those posts were part of what I wasn't going to talk about.

[Vaxkiller]

Anyway, I dont really get the pookie is scum.

[Vaxkiller]

From what I see I like. I know its all about scum deceiving, but, I like his posts.

Are you town fferyllt? I've been kinda ignoring you for a while. Where are you at in this game with people that look good and ppl that bother you.

[Vaxkiller]

@bjork Yea, to be honest im still there with lots of thoughts, but im not going to talk about it until they come back refreshed and then ill take another look.

@fferyllt That was like an opining line to say "lets chat"

[Vaxkiller]

don't really like peta. I think the whole angle on Ben's trajectory on vax in 674/716 is pretty weak and overblown

Yea.

@peta What are you looking for here?

[Vaxkiller]

Time to read an iso

[Vaxkiller]

meh

[Vaxkiller]

@bjork Yea, to be honest im still there with lots of thoughts, but im not going to talk about it until they come back refreshed and then ill take another look.

@fferyllt That was like an opining line to say "lets chat"

That kind of question is a pet peeve of mine. softest of softballs.

I've said more about my reads than I really wanted to at this point. :/ In general, I focus on townreads/PoE, especially in the early game. Sometimes a scumread hits me right between the eyes, but it's not usually something that happens early day 1, and it hasn't happened here so far. I don't feel like I have that great a grasp on the last 5-10 pages. If I manage to stay awake past 8 tonight, a reread is in my near future.

I didn't like your early play, though I thought the ratchet thing you were doing with your vote was more likely to come from town than scum.

I'm townreading Prism, Syr, Cabd, maaaaaaybe bork. Despite her Cabd vote, I've really liked much of what Elements has posted. Skitter did at least one, maybe 2? game health maintenance post, and I am a sucker for those. :/

And there's the pooky post I think fits my rube goldberg town model.

I looked through your iso and you dont have a single scum read. Where are you at the moment?

[Vaxkiller]

"where are you at the moment" means, who are your scum reading or scum leaning?

I don't think you have voted yet either.

[Vaxkiller]

don't really like peta. I think the whole angle on Ben's trajectory on vax in 674/716 is pretty weak and overblown

Yea.

@peta What are you looking for here?

the original explanation was in 660 which i feel is pretty straightforward? i don't understand how he went from defending you when there was a semblance of a wagon on you to deciding you were null after supposedly reading fully

Well, you never got an answer, where is your head at now?

[Vaxkiller]

@cabd
Yea, I think I've played a game or 2 with you, DGB, pookie, maybe fferlyllt, and skitter seems to recall us playing a game maybe.

Life got too busy and I've been AFK for 2 years maybe.

So her not voting is the norm? Is it pretty typical of her to make town reads first then look for scum? I think mastina used to play that way.

[Vaxkiller]

What if it's on you?

[Vaxkiller]

Vax:

You've not responded to my characterization of your early voting as racheting. If that's not what you were doing, what WERE you doing?

I don't even now what racheting is when referring to mafiascum.

As for my early play, I was just screwing around to see what would happen. Everyone was shit posting and I wanted to get the game started, and I did.

[Vaxkiller]

I want more.

VOTE: fferyllt

Lets get more. Too much inaction around here.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Prism

[Vaxkiller]

Town is lost.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm lost.

[Vaxkiller]

Can we all just vote elemetns?

[Vaxkiller]

I dont want to vote ben.

[Vaxkiller]

Im worried about peta, but maybe like creature they will blossom. I dont want that either.

[Vaxkiller]

Everyone talking about getting vibes.

[Vaxkiller]

Somebody vote someone and the rest of us follow it.

[Vaxkiller]

Slowly I turn

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: pooky

[Vaxkiller]

U ok?

[Vaxkiller]

Glad to hear you guys.

Wow that was quick! I took one in July and waited 30 days for results. Thirty days.

I also had to administer it myself... shoving a stuck up my nose for 15 seconds. When I started, they said "don't sneeze, or you have to start over"
I wanted to sneeze so bad.... lol

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: prism

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Prism

VOTE: pooky

VOTE: prism

Theres your trail.

[Vaxkiller]

cuff cuff!

[Vaxkiller]

if DGB is scum and nobody listened to me about her being scum then I don't think it would be my fault?

I played to enjoy games, not to play town dictator esp in games with a strong PL.

Yea, but pookie, your other game that just ended (the one with the scroll) you were town and you were doing alot more figuring out. So much figuring out that the last scum just came out and scum claimed. They couldn't take it anymore.

Your questions in that game had alot more thought behind them, not just the reactionary ones you have done so far this game.

[Vaxkiller]

Hey modpizza, maybe you have done this already, but I'd PM the mod.

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like prism is our comprise vote.

[Vaxkiller]

@peta, im not so much bored as kinda lost.

Well, I guess you could say im bored too, but it's because I have no direction.

[Vaxkiller]

@Vaxkiller

I feel like prism is our comprise vote.

If I'm the compromise, who are your top choices?

You kept a brief vote on Pooky but the only point that pressed it was 1385, after you had already revoted me. Can you give us an update on where you're at in general?

I see it.

I have lots of people leaning one way or another but not too much. You bounce around more than others, so maybe the compromise isnt so bad.


If I had my way id fade modpizza.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you see some benefit to not discussing/pushing such a read, or more broadly discussing the few others you hint at here, that I'm missing?

I've talked about them already.

modpizza I haven't because I said I would give it time.

[Vaxkiller]

Is cakez someone in this game?

Can we stop talking about other games?

[Vaxkiller]

Who's tunneling who?

[Vaxkiller]

Your on ffery skitter?

Ok I guess. Lemme check the VC

[Vaxkiller]

You and modpizza slot.

Maybe just vote prism?

[Vaxkiller]

'I actually had this thought 45 pages ago Cabd. Whiteknighting vax was a move I thought would be pretty viable for scum here both on a "protect the miselim bait to look better should they flip" and a "if they dont flip they get easily pocketed"

yay i have caught up

VOTE: elements ama

lol this dude is town

I mean there is like a 1% chance hes white knighting me... but lol, why me?

[Vaxkiller]

How about elements?

[Vaxkiller]

In a game like this it seems most like an arms race amongst everyone to look as town as possible. It's why it's trickier to grab scum.

I don't like this post.

[Vaxkiller]

It's the wrong view. Town isnt trying to look towny. Scum are.

[Vaxkiller]

Ima think about this, but it's 500 here nad im headed out.

[Vaxkiller]

here AND im headed out

[Vaxkiller]

i think i'm getting close to where i want to be, readswise

Im not

Cabd, ffiery, Prism, not science, are all playing thier own game

[Vaxkiller]

huh?

[Vaxkiller]

How is the first 1 "woe is me"? Like HOW?

[Vaxkiller]

playing diretide brb

[Vaxkiller]

yay i have caught up

VOTE: elements ama

lol this dude is town

I mean there is like a 1% chance hes white knighting me... but lol, why me?

Its obvious! (maybe not early on)

As scum I spend most of my time scheming and planning (I love it)

As town I just post EVERY thought and sometimes I get a good game (like this one) and I feel particularly bold and and town the fuck out of it by going over board. There was one boonskies game I played many years ago like that.... we lost tho

How did you go frm the woe is me reasoning behind your skitter read to confident in your play here?

How is the first 1 "woe is me"? Like HOW?

Your first line reads very much as "I will not hold much weight in this game so it doesnt make sense for scum to protect me" which seems like a very pessimistic and antagnostic self-evaluation. This is in contrast to where you called this an *on* game for you.

You are mixing 2 different things. The first post is referring to my ability at playing this game, and I'm admittedly bad at and I realize that, but I still try my best to have fun. No one has ever said the words "Wow Vax really played a good game". I try not to live here tho. No one wants to hear about how I'm not that great, and I really dont want to talk about it all the time either.

THe second post is referring ... hmm maybe your right. lol

I thought I had a thought there and I guess I don't. Me towning the fuck out of a game doesnt really refer to my "gaming ability" as a whole tho. That old boonskies game I referred to... I think we lost, or nearly did so. I did one thing it that game really good which was basically be conf-town, but it allowed scum to cuddle up to me. It was really invigorating because I felt like I was doing good in that game, buuuuut in retrospect I really didnt.

So, I guess there was a change above. If I had to venture a guess it was skitter coming in and confirming my suspicions on elements. Made me feel "validated?".

This is confusing.

On one hand, I think your slot is really scummy. When I knew there was a replacement coming in I thought "there is nothing they can say that will sway my mind about that slot being scummy" and now here we are, and im questioning my previous read. (not because of the above posts, but other reasons).

And now im questioning skitter.

[Vaxkiller]

I still dont like that post you made, I think town would word that differently, but it feels wrong to scum read for just that. I'm still confused on you, but I would not want to fade you today i guess.

[Vaxkiller]

@peta

I guess I could iso them and go back over it. Every time I wanted to talk about it, they kept saying that things werent going well IRL, and stuff in the game seemed to effecting them, so I held back my thoughts.

Without reading, I remember they were pushing my beginning play as scummy, while completely ignoring everyone elses beginning play.

@notscience
I was scum reading your slot and I tried to separate you from that. So when you joined, I tried to look at you as being a new person. As a new person in this game, your null so far, but I still have scum feelings for that slot.

Normally I would likely just carry over those scummy feelings for someone that just lurked out and got replaced. But this is a different case.

My read on you bounces around less because of your actions and more on me weighting your predecessors actions vs your actions differently in my head.

[Vaxkiller]

Why is peta town dgb?

Vax, I don’t get how your read on me being null would have any effect on my predecessor reading as scummy. Are you saying I’ve improved the read or you have no opinion on anything I’ve done? If it’s no opinion, would you like to engage me and change it?

I cant separate the 2. I tried, but I can't, and im not entirely sure I should, which is probably why I cant.

I like some of the things you have posted about. I don't really want to tell you those things because I don't trust you enough not to take that info and try to interact with me accordingly.

I realize town!notscience could want to do that as much as scum!notscience.

Do I want to engage you to change it?

No.

I don't.

I don't want to change it as it would feel like you would be making that change. I have no questions for you that need answers. I will engage with you when I do.

I hope this doesnt come off a rude, its just how I feel about the game, not you or anyone else for that matter, personally

[Vaxkiller]

@peta

204 I asked a question to him about elements reasoning for voting me over others was valid. He said he didnt care as he said my "OMGUS" was scummy. He doesnt care, but also town reads elements.

308 He says im shading elements. I mean... im scum reading them explicitly... Proceeded to say im performative and defensive.


Game is moving on now and he decides to start shopping around my beginning posts to ppl asking if these posts are towny. I say shopping around, because it looked like fishing to me, he wanted to see if anyone would bite, he didnt even call them scummy, he just asked if they were towny.
516

530
Says my posts are "NAI but in a way that they can be easily perceived as scummy for being light/empty" Didn't explain the shift change there. Just feels like he posted it to "fish" or shade.
Say they voted me because of my response to the reads list.

Let back up a few
525
I find it weird that both people in this slot have brought up the white knight scenario.

542

Somehow Im still scum and skitter is also scum for white knighting me????

In retrospect he admits we are probably unaligned in post 514

Writing this out was good for me. I feel like I never got to respond to modpizza because the 2 times I was going to It didnt feel like an appropriate time. I just kinda held all that in my head and maybe mixed it with some conf bias. This isnt nearly as scummy as I thought it was. Its not great, but I guess could be explained away. I dunno. Let me simmer on it.

[Vaxkiller]

Is this your approach to scumreads in general?

I like to think it's a case by case basis.... but maybe?

Being introspective is hard.

[Vaxkiller]

@unwnd
My presence is really that different than half the people in this game?

[Vaxkiller]

As my other thoughts I think Vax's behavior is unchecked and going under the radar. He speaks with emphasis about certain topics but yet he's not here fighting for them. His thread presence seems determined by being the one to have the right opinion and nothing else, which I'm not really a fan of because it is presumptuous and almost like he's taunting the other people for having to actually solve the game. I wasn't absolutely glued-my-eyes-to-screen paying attention but I digress.

[Vaxkiller]

Why was sry getting voted anyway?

[Vaxkiller]

lol

[Vaxkiller]

You talked about my presence being scummy and I replied that it's not really different than half the people in this game, and you responded: Yes.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not sure what quoting my post on you gets me

You're going to disagree as scum if what I'm saying about you is true

This is rather antagonistic.

[Vaxkiller]

I'll write the damn case once the tech I'm escorting is working and I'm locked in a tiny little techie jail cell with him.

Are you talking about your job?

[Vaxkiller]

DID I MISS UNWND's CLAIM???

I'm looking everywhere

I thought he said VT

[Vaxkiller]

DID I MISS UNWND's CLAIM???

I'm looking everywhere

I thought he said VT

I must have missed it.

I mean it wasnt in his first post but:

Oh so you guys kept chatting while I was napping I almost thought you were facechecking me Peta

I'm VT

[Vaxkiller]

I genuinely believe the fighting and aggression of this game is causing it to be uncharitable for a lot of players, and I am very much against that

Alot of it I cant even understand. People talking about previous games and crap, I dont know what they are talking about.

[Vaxkiller]

dgb are you able to follow any of this :3

No, you? Are we even supposed to?

its like playing mafia with 5 russians who know each other super well and only speak loud barely understandable russian while drinking excessive amounts of alcohol. you know they aren't all red so eventually they will figure out who the reds are in their in group and let us know.

I think this is my favorite post.

[Vaxkiller]

Wait. So let me get this right. ffery is mad that cabd wont be buddies this game? Is that whats going on?

Yes unwnd, pookie has been really unproductive, as have I for the past few IRL days. As have the above, IMO.

Can we all restart and pretend this is our first game of mafia ever and not reference anything outside this game?

[Vaxkiller]

Where are we?

[Vaxkiller]

Later

[Vaxkiller]

I jsut want to get to tomorrow.

VOTE: unwnd

[Vaxkiller]

Why are we voting unwnd? What crime did he commit in some ancient game?

Like none. Id rather prism die. (no offense) But lets move on.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Prism

[Vaxkiller]

All you fucking prism stans better instamurder unwnd on day two when this is a ML, if you end up getting your way.

Lol y

[Vaxkiller]

Whys it any different that any other probably miss lynch?

[Vaxkiller]

Im half tempt to vote cabd over that, but im comfortable now.

Edit

Now im back to thinking.

[Vaxkiller]

Remind me cabd. Were you pushing notpizza?

[Vaxkiller]

Vax if you want to push me bring it on

I’ve been waiting to be engaged

Remind me cabd. Were you pushing notpizza?

Only in RVS, really? I don't recall scumreading the Mod Pizza slot and by the time I posted my reads lsit they were uh... pretty high in townworld?

None of these have strong conviction but are how I feel after staring at ISO skims for fifteen minutes wheeeeeeeeeeee.

{Vax, borkie}
{ben, pizza}
{Prism}
{ffery, syr, pookey}
~~~THE LINE I GUESS IDK~~~
{skitter, Peta, Elements}
{dgb}

lol wrong replacement slot.

[Vaxkiller]

sry = unwnd


hmmm

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: vax

Tunnel noted.

Elemts does have a point. Scum is probably off wagon, or at the end. Unwd really could have got away there at the end.

I have much much much better feelings about the notscience/modpizza slot.

Pooky was town, then he was ? now hes lock town again.

cabd was always ? and now hes lookin town too.


Time to push some ppl.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: dgb

[Vaxkiller]

I'll make you a tier list:

{}
{skitter, you, bork}
{DGB}
{Morph, Vax}
================ Line of yeetability
{Pooky, peta, elements}
{benhalkum}
{Prism}

Pedit: I think you're saying that you scumread or at least didn't townread Bulge because you thought he should be doing stuff w.r.t. you that he wasn't? Aka being weird?

Elements prob scum too. They mostly town read them, then suddenly they cross the line of yeetability?

DGB isnt mentioned a whole lot, and they appear to town read them with out explanation, or addressing that that read is there.

[Vaxkiller]

Sorry Boxer the horse but you've got work to do

When you and others say stuff like this, what on earth are you talking about?

[Vaxkiller]

So did DGB/Elements commit any thoughtcrimes? Can we vote them to the Ministry of Love?

[Vaxkiller]

I mean... I'm kinda concerned about the weird way that unwnd came in HARD and FAST on your slot, vax. In a very awkward kiss-slap kind of duality.

I'm kinda vibing that he felt that was a potentially possible misflip

gonna agree with skitter on this one.

I gonna check both heads of that slot for similar weirdness round DGB/elements

[Vaxkiller]

Ummm, pls play, there are no main characters here.

I gotta say tho, I dont agree with you reads.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: elements

[Vaxkiller]

I mean I'm actually positive that the roleblock was on elements, i deciphered the code.

So we can act accordingly. Not a hard clear by any means, but yeah.

What code? There was still a kill... Huh?

[Vaxkiller]

Is this def a 3 scum setup?

[Vaxkiller]

If it is, it deostn exactly clear elements. Hmm... altho I was really the only person scum reading them, so they would MAYBE be safer to make the kill... depending on how the other person was scum read....

[Vaxkiller]

are you offering?

[Vaxkiller]

Can i get an explanation?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: benhalkum

Then prism?

[Vaxkiller]

Elements is on this wagon tho.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: prism

[Vaxkiller]

Elements is on this wagon tho.

VOTE: prism

VOTE: prism

lol

[Vaxkiller]

Can we not get distracted with prism and vax and elements? They're probably all town

You are probably right.

VOTE: benhalkum

[Vaxkiller]

People ruled out completely, imo:

Notsci, ffery, cabd

People I'm not inclined to worry about today, but are not hard ruled out:

Borkie, Skitter, DGB, Vax

Specific Pairings of last two scum ruled out, imo:

Prism-Bork
Skitter-Bork
DGB-Vax

You forgot one more pairing

Elements-Cabd

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: ben

Copycat

[gifv]https://giphy.com/gifs/6k5aYgBKTxe3C/html5[/gifv]

[Vaxkiller]

sigh, I can never get those to work

[Vaxkiller]

People ruled out completely, imo:


DGB-Vax

Why are you picking on poor Vax by tying him up to me?

Why are we tied together?

[Vaxkiller]

rather defensive

[Vaxkiller]

My opinions. Hence the giant imo

You should still explain the logic, it practically looks like you're setting up a linear algebra matrix.

Maybe they are a math teacher

[Vaxkiller]

We could end the day with 2 more votes on ben

[Vaxkiller]

So are you going move your vote?

[Vaxkiller]

Weekends are my low effort days tho!

Maybe write your fan fic during the night and surprise us tomorrow.

[Vaxkiller]

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Do we have to wait tho?

[Vaxkiller]

|O| | |
| |X| |
| | |X|

[Vaxkiller]

What I miss?

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

[Vaxkiller]

Disappointed we didnt just railroad that through the get info, buuuuut I guess friendly neighbor should be easy enough to prove.

[Vaxkiller]

I dunno. Pooky says he doesn't buss day 1 tho.... and to break that rule for a small game?

[Vaxkiller]

@Elements, im town to you know?

[Vaxkiller]

Off The Table

DrippingGoofball - I buy the softing, will become obviously faking it soon enough, off table today
benhalkum - Is either legit FN or will become obviously faking it soon enough, off table today
fferyllt - Unlikely Syr Partner
Cabd - Hi
notscience - Unlikely Syr Partner
skitter30 - Unlikely Syr partner
Prism -Unlikely Syr partner, less so than the others but yah

On The Table

PookyTheMagicalBear
borkjerfkin
Vaxkiller
Elements

Is this your "reads list".

[Vaxkiller]

I cant read fferyllt or prism, so I would have no issues with them being faded. Why are they so unlikely?

Pooky still seems town to me.

I dont think DGB is softing anything, so you might want to come to terms with that, now instead of scum reading it later.

Elements is all over the place, but maybe thats just who they are? I could still fade that.

Borks not really on my radar.

[Vaxkiller]

Why did you change your mind on elements?

[Vaxkiller]

That would be acceptable on page 3.

How about 14

3

?

[Vaxkiller]

LOL, you saying "no judgment" makes me think there is.

No. This is my main.

I had to make an alt once for a game and it was 1Burbon1Scoth1Beer, and I think I played a character in kings landing game too.

[Vaxkiller]

You're being a very obtuse bear, Vax.

gee, thanks

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Elements

[Vaxkiller]

If I'm right you will all bow down to me.

If I'm wrong you'll prolly scum read me.

A gamble I'm willing to take.

[Vaxkiller]

As day 1 ended fast and scum faded away, I went to sleep comfortably knowing there was a little less evil in the world. My reads, while off, were slowly coming together and making more sense. I dreamed of catching scum and allying with my town friends the next day and solidify my reads and continue on the great hunt.

As day 2 dawned and there was one less of us to speak to, the day started with much less fanfare than when we first all met. Everyone stared at each other across the vast unknown. The unknown of everybody. The unknown slowly eating at each and everyone one of us. I looked into the abyss and saw horror. I saw waht could be. I saw reads being wrong, reads being right, people fading away without knowing who they are. And slowly I descended into nullness.

My once strong town reads started to tickle me. "What if skitter is manipulating me?" I would say. "What if CABD is actually leading town into the Great abyss?"

I began to feel changes in my scum reads. "What if Elements is just who she claims to be?"

I descended the downward spiral until I reached the bottom. And there I found it. The answer. The answer was there all along. No one knows the answer, so we must move forward. Forward and onward, strong willed and Knowing. So I say my towns people of this game, let us move forth, with boldness!

VOTE: Elements

[Vaxkiller]

Vax are we going to finish our game before I'm deaded?

|O|X|O |
| |X| |
| | |X|

[Vaxkiller]

Yea, im lost now. This is no longer early day 1 Vax

Also Vax/Syr would take no time as I dont think I interacted with them at all.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm rethinking this elements fade. I don't like how part of the reasoning behind it is being pushed forth.... Vax/Elements cant be scum together. I know im town in this equation, and what if elements is too? It's just an easy push for scum.

Edit, well now that I typed that out, if it's so easy why isn't it happening? But there can only be at the most 2 more scum? That's not a lot of pushing power, but maybe they are staying away? ARRRRGH

[Vaxkiller]

IDFK who the second scum is here

1 more? I thought someone said 2.

[Vaxkiller]

Did you read the rest of the sentence? Sure if one of us flips scum its great, but what if Elements flips town? Then it will falsely lead people to believe that I might be scum, with 0 reasoning behind it. You are forgetting the TvT possibility.

[Vaxkiller]

Elements what does your reads list look like now?

Skitter town
Vax town

That's about it. After the red flip I decided my reads were utter garbage which, tbf, could probably have been predicted anyway.

there's at most 1 scum on that cw

so vax, bdg, bork town

Why am I town now Elements? What made you change your mind?

[Vaxkiller]

@prism

Those aren't exactly compelling arguments. 384 Elements presence has been struggling. 3518 is how you feel. 3553 does not seem AI to me.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

Just to avoid a surprise hammer, we still have some discussion left re:Elements

Who do you think would do this?

Besides, the VC is wrong, it shows elements voting themselves.

[Vaxkiller]

Then name someone else besides dgb

[Vaxkiller]

pfffft there it goes!

[Vaxkiller]

Is it normal for fferyllt to like not vote at all? Is that something they do?

[Vaxkiller]

pookie, ur null to me now.

[Vaxkiller]

|O|X|O|
| |X|X|
| |O|X|

Elements. Can you please answer my question? I asked what changed your mind about me? When did you start town reading me?

Why are you scum reading pooky?

[Vaxkiller]

btw I MIGHT give a a town read if you put a O in the lower left hand corner...

[Vaxkiller]

fferyllt can you vote?

[Vaxkiller]

Votecount

DGB - E-4 - Ben, pooky
Bork - E-3 - Prism, Skitter, Pooky
Pooky - E-3 - Bork, Elements, DGB
Elements - E-3 - notscience, cabd, Vax
Prism - E-3 - notscience

At least one of these wagons is entirely town, I'm inclined to think it's the Pooky one

I VERY MUCH agree.

Interesting. Because of what I know to be true about myself.

@elements and DGB
Assume I'm town as I know I am. Who is scum on these wagons?

[Vaxkiller]

@elements

You said im town, do you think cabd or notscience could be scum?

[Vaxkiller]

fferyllt worrying about the clock while also not voting....

[Vaxkiller]

sorry about your closet.

[Vaxkiller]

fferyllt worrying about the clock while also not voting....

if my lack of vote is killing you, then assume it's where cabd/notsci are voting if they're in agreement. it's a pretty safe bet. I'm not going to be around to move it if I need to. If I had a vote down I'd be unvoting for that reason.

But that doesn't make sense. We may NEED your vote. If your not here to move it *shrug* so you may as well cast it so it's SOMEHWERE instead of not there at all.

If your not here to move it you wont be here to cast it. So just cast it.

[Vaxkiller]

@elements

You said im town, do you think cabd or notscience could be scum?

If you think I’m scum I have no clue what to tell you besides lol.

This was a question for elements, not my line of thinking.

[Vaxkiller]

That's a big ole lie because I hadn't said anything about your alignment when you called me lockscum as early as game post #109.

um, the reason I said you were lockscum is because

you call me scum every time you have a green card

so when you don't call me scum, it makes me suspicious of you :3

now you are back to the regularly scheduled "pooky is scum, kill pooky, kill pooky, lets vote pooky" that I know and love from Town!You

You're lying again because it is you who called me scum all game

Your both lying.

DGB insinuated that pokky says DGB is lock scum because of the way DGB read them.

Pooky actually said DGB is scum when they get a town card.


Pooky says DGB is town.

Pooky is actaully voting for DGB.

[Vaxkiller]

Looks worse for pooky tho

[Vaxkiller]

You know what DGB?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: pooky

[Vaxkiller]

I have little interest in pooky. I'd vote elements to prevent a noflip at deadline but i dont think he's flipping scum

Ffery i hope ur closet situation is ok

What do you think of pooky saying

btw this is why i called you lockscum on d1

every time you get a town card you just call me scum nonstop like a robot and its not based on anything I do in the game lol.

While also scum reading DGB?

[Vaxkiller]

The apathy is killing me.

Skitter, talk me through how it makes sense.

[Vaxkiller]

Prism that ain't right

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: elements

[Vaxkiller]

Just hammer elements dgb

[Vaxkiller]

Oh and good luck engaging fanfic writers and their customers.

tick tock

[Vaxkiller]

Pooky am i town?

[Vaxkiller]

Yes there is. Someone should tell him.

[Vaxkiller]

I shoulda VLA'd or something, but Im sorta back now. I've been skimming through.

[Vaxkiller]

This is a very emotional game. We have had 2 ATE's so far.

[Vaxkiller]

I never crumbed doctor. I am an odd night vanilla cop. Vaxkiller is not a PR regardless of alignment.

Like, why'd you out me? How is this useful for us????????

[Vaxkiller]

I dont think that's the right question to ask given ur position in the gamestate

I don't like this. They have have every right to ask questions, and im saying this as referring to the game being played. Like why WOULDNT we want to ask ourselves this question skitter?

[Vaxkiller]

The fact that literally everyone was fine voting elements yesterday, and there was an abundance of votes for that wagon, and i currently have *checks notes* two votes for bork plus a few halfhearted maybes even tho literally nobody is townreading him

I think that points to bork!scum

But I like this post tho!

Why are vax and ffery town?

vax just keeps making town posts like 3619

ffery's interactions w/ syr early game make her an unlikely partner for me.

like we can comb through isos if you have a counter viewpoint to either of those but i haven't seen anything from either that makes me think anything else

buuuuut, maybe I shouldn't town read him for seeing town me.

I dunno. On one hand scum!brok could just be keeping me around for late game fade or lylo, where im not that great at. Or maybe its genuine town looking.

[Vaxkiller]

Becauss i think everyone feared cabd more than the crumbed pr, so there isnt a helpful answer really

Hmmm I guess so. Part of me was afraid he might be deep scum.

[Vaxkiller]

Right now I really don't feel that strong about anyone. I could fade pooky for not participating tho.

[Vaxkiller]

pooky, sell me on scum bork