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Cobra Kai

Cobra Kai

Cobra Kai

I haven’t read yet but hi I’ll read when I get home/tomorrow when I’m off

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That’s disappointing, I liked being able to read things from a true null perspective

Ffery who in the cohort is scum

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Is that the only one of her list you disagree with

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I don’t dance but I’ll spar with you anyway syry

You won’t even have to pay for your gi like muffin did

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o/

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I got to like page 10. I'll be back tomorrow.

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My very first instinct on reading it was a hard scumclaim but I'm not going to follow that.

Nth

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No I haven’t finished but I reviewed recent stuff rq

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Ffery I skimmed vcs why was there a vax wagon he looks town

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I doubt Cabd and syry are scum together at a glance, but I need a flip or two to feel better about it. Granted, both were on the wagon at all and that’s a tad concerning. I don’t think I got to the wagon yet but I’ll look as it builds, he screams low confidence town. He had a post that I could see myself writing (as town) but not as scum.

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Still reading.

VOTE: Skitter

This slot is criminally ignored.

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'I actually had this thought 45 pages ago Cabd. Whiteknighting vax was a move I thought would be pretty viable for scum here both on a "protect the miselim bait to look better should they flip" and a "if they dont flip they get easily pocketed"

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The more I read the less viable you and Syr are together, which is nice. At least one of you will be town. I'm currently just past your bold ffery vote (I stole what DGB said because I thought the same thing. Also thinking DGB's vote on Ben to make him do things followed by saying she doesnt see a world where peta is town raised some eyebrows.

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I mean, I clearly agree given my recent posts that vax is town. I still don't think I've gotten to him getting an *actual* push yet, so your defense of him seems premature and lends itself more towards pocketing.

I'm not really looking to argue the point, I'm still finishing my read through but as is you seem the best place to keep my vote.

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He had a post that I could see myself writing (as town) but not as scum.

Thanks for quoting the post I was referencing here!

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Syry are you scum you're going to break my heart

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My read is not "game hate"

It's- I think his accusation of Cabd getting in the way of you/Bork and you/syry linking up looked more like Syry getting in the way of you/Cabd linking up. I feel like as scum syry's gameplan would be to get in one of yours/cabds pockets and hope they can soothesay the other half.

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I mean, all of you are lurking compared to your normal standards

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I mean, that's all fine and dandy but my point was your vote was on someone as an activity push over someone you seemed very confident in a scumflip at the time.

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So you do agree he's been an obstacle but your stance is that's not how he'd approacb you as scum? (just making sure we're on the same page)

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The point I'm referencing was Cabd's early vote on you and how Syry kneejerk response seemed more like the one putting up a barrier between the two of you. I mean yes, Cabd is keeping you at arm's length more than normal, I'm not disputing that. But I distinctly got the impression of Syry putting a barrier up vs Cabd trying to put one up between you and bork by naked voting you?

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I also think Prism is town and said wagon is bad.

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Syr/Peta/Skitter?

Is that crazy?

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Ah thank you Toni the Tiger I now understand fully the weight of my mistake

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I'm almost caught up all the way ffery, let's chat.

I won't elim Cabd, Prism, you, bork, vax

I hesitate to elim DGB and Ben.

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I don't prefer it but wouldn't do much to stand in the way of it.

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When I was rereading I remember someone made a comment he's more tryhard as scum. I don't mind ben's ISO.

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The WKing Vax thing, I felt like they were helping to stir the pot on the whole Prism/Bork debacle earlier (keeping them pointed at each other instead of moving progress forward).

Regarding peta, I didn't like that big wall about the power of friendship. One distinctive thing I remember from playing scum with peta was how good he was at manipulating emotional responses to get his way. He's probably my weakest read of the three, but it is tricky to put more sense to it.

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That newbie you and Cabd watched where I phoned it in with CyLo because real life was a bitch.

He replaced in to my scumbuddy's slot that I expected to get guiltited overnight, and almost managed to strongarm his way through the guilty to get the PR eliminated by virtue of shredding the response and the emotional response to it.

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2033 Ffery

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In a game like this it seems most like an arms race amongst everyone to look as town as possible. It's why it's trickier to grab scum.

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Which ISO?

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With the new sample set how does that effect your read on him here?

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In a game like this it seems most like an arms race amongst everyone to look as town as possible. It's why it's trickier to grab scum.

I don't like this post.

Why?

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Think on it some. Multiple people have stuck it to each other that they should be able to read them thus far. I understand at it’s root it sounds scummy, but I’m more so referring to how this game got so murky in the first place.

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Fiery I agree with that post of Cabd’s

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Yes, and town.

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He hasn’t even really expelled and effort trying to pocket anyone this game lol

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Which would be fatal after illicit.

While yes, I’m sure he’s aware of this. But there’s very little focus on anything any of you are going.

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Can you go more into your thoughts on prisms view of the game as a whole?

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So you’re strongly townreading peta for his same scumread I’m strongly scumreading

I feel like you’re townreading a lot of senseless platitudes this game and remember you doing the same with Cabd early.

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For his same post I’m strongly scumreading

Typing is hard

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And no I’m not saying the platitudes are senseless I’m saying the reads are senseless-

It’s like nai stuff he’s townreading.

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She’s townreading

Stop letting me phone post I’m incoherent Jesus

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So your townread on me In both cases is simply due to my statement that I prefer not to play my spam posting style?


You don't put any stock into the idea that I might claim new style in the player list full of people that know me extremely closely to dodge meta tells? Or is it something else about those two posts that town pings?

This post references the first instance of it

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I feel like I remember you encouraging the Prism!Bork thing?

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I didn’t agree? I don’t really see what was super super town about it

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I’m a little confused why you’re almost throwing ffery at me here, to be honest.

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I feel like ffery is town in a very rough environment for ffery to be town

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If I’m ffery here I find one of the cohort to dance with and sort then base the game state around.

She wasn’t able to for various reasons and this is how it ended up.

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I mean, yeah, hence “hey ffery im done catching up let’s chat”

If I can get her back in here this game won’t be too rough.

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Yep

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I think it would be tricky for ffery scum to time the paranoia pangs if that makes sense.

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I mean, same, but I think letting her latch onto me will give us more data to work with down the line before I inevitably die tonight.

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VOTE: syr

I think I’m a semblance of rigor in a game where most are wishywashy plus a difficult miselim.

We’ll see. I’ll keep elimming scum until they kill me.

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We’ll see then.

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Because I’m scumreading you?

Show me the light.

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Okay, what’s bugging you about Cabd? I’ll help ffery get her footing and see if she can hive mind with you after, but we can talk about Cabd.

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So I’m assuming both of his interjections into fferys interactions are one. What others are there?

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I suppose I can’t argue with that as I’ve pulled it on a the Bulge post-hiatus.

I think it’s fair to have a BoP for someone he’s so familiar with. I don’t think he’s using it to pressure her but look how she’s been since? Her read has been in constant flux and no doubt, Cabd would know better as scum than to try and exacerbate it.

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Let’s talk about those controversial reads. What are they?

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My first line is burden of proficiency’s bulge (I was town and him scum)

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That didn’t make it more clear. If you need me to explain I will.

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I'm saying that I used Bulge's history of accuracy reading me as a defense method when the option of voting me was brought up given he called me 100% town. So I can see town doing it.

I think you have Vax rated too low, he screams low confidence newbtown.

What did you think of the earlier comments about ben being more effortful as scum compared to low effort town?

Regarding prism, they've had a few moments where they've said similar things that I've thought. I disagree with the wall placement of most of the co-hort from prism, but the individual stances were lining up well. I also view prism/bork as TvT, with Prism not only actively trying to disengage it but also trying to see Bork's PoV. Bork isn't reciprocating. I'm townreading bork for separate reasons.

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Maybe not newbtown, I just associated the word when I thought low confidence

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Let's get her back in this game and then we can see where we stand.

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Can you point me to that post skitter made if you get a minute?

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Relax

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I'd rather not elim either of you and want to get more data for the masses on Syry, we can figure this out later Prism.

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I don't hate that chain of posts from Prism? Have you never had a read go from scummy to "Ugh I thought this was scum but its misguided town?"

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These two have low scum equity for anyone lurking in the wings right now.

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I've had that backtrack before. I'll keep what you've said in mind, though.

You and Prism aren't buddies. I don't think scum-Prism keeps trying to push their way into our interaction.

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I'd almost say 1 of you is scum 1 isn't, frankly.

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Can you find that post where Vax says hes more confident this game?

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I mean, I can't out my entire thought process regarding you. My goal was to get some more info out on Syry for others to be able to read as he's been somewhat lost in the abyss. While I get the frustration of not being able to engage the game, I don't know how I feel about the combo of him+skitter anymore given the reasoning behind his main scumread is sheeping skitter's.

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That's fair, there is some sort of disconnect between the two mindsets.

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That's the disconnect I was referring to, sorry.

@Vax, reconcile these two for me?

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As for that, I like how you keep questioning your reads and re-evaluating in this game. Reminds me a lot of your town-game in the newbie!

and i dont' think u should be townreading me here off of the newbie, which is why i'm kinda like ????

This is an interesting post

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I have to charge my phone because I let it die while I've been playing spider man.

I'll be back.

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(give me 15)

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Yes!

My girlfriend charged my phone for me.

I just know you’re struggling to sort through things and would like to help in any way possible.

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DGB I think I’m townreading you the most I ever have this game and I’m concerned

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Not that you’re scum.

That it’s all downhill from here.

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I think Cabd is town.

I think that one of you syry and Bork as town. You and syry don’t make sense as scum with syry’s knee jerk response to Cabd voting you wouldn’t happen- he’d be expecting it at some point. He also tried to highlight Cabd cutting off yours and borks interactions, and it’s not likely Scum syry compares your interactions to a different scum player?

I think Bork is town but I agreed with Cabd’s analysis

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syry. I promise it’s just a game thing and if I’m wrong about it you can hold it over my head! You still rock even if I do think the mod sucks and gave you scum this game

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DGB I think I’m townreading you the most I ever have this game and I’m concerned

Finally, a well-calibrated scumdar.

I want to yeet the players that insist on boring us with stuff that has nothing to do with solving the game. I have read page upon page of private conversations and meta wanking.

I’m up to yeet in (Syr, skitter, peta)

If you say “notsci I really disagree with those let’s kill elements I wouldn’t fight too hard

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That post got butchered

I think one of you three is scum.

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I suppose it is fair to say Cabd does have his part in interactions feeling weird but I’m still townreading him

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See I don’t feel like this response is genuine

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hi!

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Cabd got most of it. One of the first things you said was that Syr fell to the backburner some so I tried to get some recent stuff out of him because everyone's been shutting down different sync ups but that might help you because noone's shut any of mine down yet

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I do as well.

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I've considered it? Cabd has done it some as had Syry. I've already covered the instance if its syry

If it's Cabd, he chose to keep you three separated and feed into my confidence after Xeno to keep town distracted? So meh.

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Ah, yes. Of course comrade.

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Well yes, but in order to keep it from being an outlier I need to keep my mind in the game and not feed into the confidence too much. It's a careful tightrope.

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Vax did you ever reconcile those two posts for me? How did you go from "Why does scum protect me" to "Im feeling very confident about my play here?"

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yay i have caught up

VOTE: elements ama

lol this dude is town

I mean there is like a 1% chance hes white knighting me... but lol, why me?

Its obvious! (maybe not early on)

As scum I spend most of my time scheming and planning (I love it)

As town I just post EVERY thought and sometimes I get a good game (like this one) and I feel particularly bold and and town the fuck out of it by going over board. There was one boonskies game I played many years ago like that.... we lost tho

How did you go frm the woe is me reasoning behind your skitter read to confident in your play here?

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Your first line reads very much as "I will not hold much weight in this game so it doesnt make sense for scum to protect me" which seems like a very pessimistic and antagnostic self-evaluation. This is in contrast to where you called this an *on* game for you.

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can we get a VC soon?

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See, I like that post. Maybe last scum is spooky or Elements.

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In a game of inches like this we need to give it our all. But I get it.

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Because that’s how PoE works?

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Where do you stand with everyone and why?

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Your reads haven’t changed in the last 1000 posts?

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Why?

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Cabd we might have a Noraa/Spiffeh decision to make here shortly with no Nacho to stand in our way

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I think we table Syry for the day and eliminate Peta. I think we’re both in agreeance here? syrys not going anywhere. Gives chance for investigatives and I do have the smallest hint of hesitation and concern he seems universal a la d1 maid/alisae in illicit. I almost feel like peta is playing politically.

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Here lies Bork

We barely knew ye

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Can you walk me through your read progression on me, vax?

Peta I’m not ignoring you but I just woke up and want to get to a computer for you.

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With regards to your big long posts I’ve made similar posts as scum and as town before. I’ve seen others do similarly, but that’s besides the point. I could see an argument for NAI.

What scum motivation is there? Creating a peacekeeper “sane voice of reason” persona this game feels like a pretty safe place for scum to occupy.

I’m scumreading you for it because given my experience with you (and I understand the differences between all three games) I found you more apt to give in to emotion and try to leverage it as scum.

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Why is peta town dgb?

Vax, I don’t get how your read on me being null would have any effect on my predecessor reading as scummy. Are you saying I’ve improved the read or you have no opinion on anything I’ve done? If it’s no opinion, would you like to engage me and change it?

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I think wagonomics are going to be tricky this game.

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I want Bork to do things then I think I’m ready to end the day.

Ffery, I’m giving you this heads up just in case- I was thinking more on syry’s AtE. I feel like I remember being it targeted just at us, and not Cabd and that twinges me a bit. Not enough to drop my read but enough that I want to say something about it. I’ll look more later to verify what I’m seeing/thinking.

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I’m talking potential buddy tells ffery. My read on Cabd is more on flux than my read on syr

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I mean, same. I’ve already hit on how some of what he’s done is a pretty viable way to play the game as scum

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My bigger concern is us writing off the cohort after one of us flips. I’ll explain more later. I’m not certain on it by any means just have to consider all venues.

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Hi Bork

Who’s scum in the cohort?

What do you think of elements?

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Well I am townreading you and prism, Bork. That’s what fueled my distrust of skitter.

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Yes

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Someone who’s not Bork or syry show me the light on prism please

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I want the earlier answer too pls

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You think syry had a cow over you breaking up his and fferys convo?

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If it’s duo scum

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I could see me saying that.

Not ffery.

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I want to yeet syry first and I still don’t know how I feel about scum/scum interactions between them particularly wrt your vote on ffery

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But I realize if ffery is scum you die tonight and then I have to get there and that’s stressful too. But no mercy.

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What are your thoughts on that interaction I highlighted Cabd? Bork when you read up this is open to you as well.

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When syry voted Cabd for interfering in your interactions with both him and Bork

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Im saying it sounds weird for that interaction to make sense as syry and ffery both scum

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You understand that by telling Cabd to vote you that took attention away from that, right? That’s the disconnect for you that’s bugging me

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I’m taking this to mean you are back on the ffery town page. Okay.

Let’s proceed. Ffery and Bork come get your towncred while it’s hot before syry’s buddies hop on

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If you’re pulling a muffin you should be interested in maintaining a

P R I S T I N E V O T I N G R E C O R D

and wouldn’t want to sully it by being off wagon

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I might try and reread.

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I too feel like syr has to be scum and don’t need the tell burned.

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I’m confident he’s scum but sad that I am.

But Strike first.

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@DGB and Pooky-
Bottles empty. Vote Syry.

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I would like a flip by page 90, please.

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The Russians have finished their vodka and know who is kicked off the ice berg.

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I was the other main pusher in said wagon DGb.

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Don’t waste your time reading unwnd. We’ll need a claim from you soon.

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DGB if you vote unwnd you have my vote on peta tomorrow

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You feel different too. Sorry you had to replace in to a scum slot.

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Someone send us to D2 please.

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No mercy, sorry.

If I’m wrong I’ll look into Prism more, I promise you. I owe it to you and syry.

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His white knight of ffery wrt Cabds vote was awful and he should have been voted then.

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I also think we just got negged, lol.

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If it’s any consolation I didn’t want a slot with a free pass, it’s made it trickier to read things, plus pressure of following up that game.

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I seem to be struggling to understand what’s actually going on a lot this game, Bork.

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@bork- I called it a WK but my issue with it was syry is accusing Cabd of something that syry also does. I tried to get some more thoughts out of him and I just... if he’s town he feels so lost. He tried really hard to AtE and while it does make me feel bad I have to show no mercy.

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Bork I think he was intentionally trying to cut off interactions between the two.

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I feel more like notsci and less like cobra so it might be best to go to ffery for a bit

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It feels slimy to say it that way, but yeah.

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I’m not saying it’s not.

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I would like to flip it so I can try to look at interactions today with a new lens. There aren’t a ton of obvtown this game to help me start it prematurely.

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As in I feel guilty for feeling similarly, sorry if it came across that way.

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Cabd I disagree the reads were “faked” and think it’s more likely they were reading along and those were there reads prior to role pm.

I can’t shake the tonal difference here vs my other two sample size games for unwnd. In Lovers, I felt some confusion, yes, but you were always cool as a cucumber. I could say the same for Xeno.

I understand there’s a wagon on you, but for someone as experienced as you claim to be in surprised it would bleed into your play if you were town. If you were scum, however, it would make sense of the tonal difference I see.

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The one thing I am concerned about wrt Prism is they *are* instigating a lot of 1v1s. I don’t have the time to go and dig through their past games to see if it’s more likely as either alignment, but I feel like their perspective has been much more broad in my recollection.

I don’t know if “get out of one 1v1 and instigate another” is a strategy Prism thinks is viable. I suppose in a “have everyone glaze over their posts” way, but still.

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I feel better today. Back in Cobra Kai mindset.

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My point being is you feel less analytical and more active.

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I don’t think Cabd has leaned into the traits he used in xeno at all. Before I came in it kinda felt like the game was in a stalemate.

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We’re coming to conclusions about a player who shared a slot and therefore a role pm with you, cut the discrediting.

I’m not joining a wagon on Prism and I have 0 issue letting it go to night over it.

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DGB, you asked us to sort the Russians. We sorted the Russians. Please trust us.

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It’s not even like it was a controversial read he seemed to be slinking down everyone’s reads and the hankering for him going has evaporated out of nowhere- but who cares???

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That’s right you moved to another fun eimbait target, my bad

You’re still scum, lol

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It’s fine, DGB

We can just wait until d3 to elim scum again

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I don’t give a fuck about what slot I have and the fact you *do* care is sketchy

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No matter which slot I ended up in I wasn’t going to be elim-able.

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Because you’re trying to rewrite history like there wasn’t a scummy player in your slot.

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This confidence is me actually believing in myself and my reads. Not being pliable to what everyone else wants. I play better this way as evidenced in xeno and 2137 and others. I’m not about to change it because your slot isn’t “obvtown”

I’m going to play this game out the best way for town to win.

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And this whole “you’re better than that”

“I’m just a martyr”

“We’re back at square one” is AtE and I refuse to believe a logical player like yourself would resort to AtE as town.

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Prism I’m sticking my neck out to get scum eliminated over you I expect your vote on unwnd in your next post or I’m stopping defending you.

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All of these vanity votes need to pick a side.

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can benhalkum be prodded please

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Then you need to be trying to convince people not to vote them.

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Someone needs to purge that with fire before cylo, please and thanks

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I don’t remember you being this much of a nonentity, elements. It’s concerning.

@Cabd- viability of another 2020 scum team plan?

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Rising.

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Cabd i have the sudden craving for breakfast food

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You are scum with unwnd.

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I’m going to guess that whoever their last buddy is will be the deep wolf.

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I don’t think unwnd replaces and goes this hard if both of his other team members picked up the 2020 guide on scum play

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I mean, that too.

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Notsci and I are insinuating that the scum team in this game is not planning long term.

You are scum with unwnd.

would you mind explaining why im scum

PoE and you went from “these wagons are trash” to “I could vote unwnd” suspiciously fast

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Do you want to sell me on it or just tease it?

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Yes

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Also I just don’t like the survivalism tbh along with the “oh I changed my playstyle bc I get miselim d1 a lot” is both AtE and a very common excuse scum use for playstyle differences

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Syry was accusing Cabd of doing the same things Syry was doing when he accused Cabd, actively interrupting Cabd/fferys attempts to read each other when he should know better.

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And if you try to tell me the whole cohorts town again I’m going to vote you

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Yes because I refuse to believe we’re all town and you went out of your way to tell me that we were in illicit when I was panicking over both meta circles all townreading each other

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And if you can’t see unwnd trying to pocket you here I don’t know what else to tell you dude

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Yes skitter that is the point I’m making and is why I don’t get why Bork is being so hard tsun tsun

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Yes that was the allusion I was making and I’m townreading you here but we need less kumbayah and more HIYAAAH

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1)that thing you don’t agree with

2) low apathy lurkscum

3) unwnd is way more emotionally reactive and AtE than any version I’ve seen and it’s weird for a logical player to fearmonger and AtE like that

4) they’re weirdly focused on how my predecessor was obvtown? That just feels sketchy how focused they were on that?

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Well my point being was unwnd is using it as some sort of defense? Like I don’t give a fuck about my predecessor I wasn’t going to be elimmed regardless. I haven’t been elimmed as town since I’ve been back.

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You just want to pick it apart unwnd I’m not stupid. I’m also at work so it’ll have to wait.

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I’d say

C-4
T- 8
A-6

Now

C-6
T-8.5
A-8

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I’m trying to figure out if my numbers seem too high because I think maybe accuracy should drop some and casing maybe .5 more?

Maybe my pre-hiatus numbers are too high

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I didn’t say the deep wolf was elsewhere, what are you even reading?

I said I think it’s you and unwnd with a deep wolf elsewhere (aka not the last lurker, Ben)

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No it’s unwnd

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Bork I would like to but don’t know if I could.

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Bork we literally were just saying scum was doing nothing and letting town control things (syry and elements) and whoever is last scum was being productive, hence unwnd going as hard as they are

Granted I’m thinking a few steps ahead.

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Where are you getting that possible team from?

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Okay skitter, who’s instigating then?

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Take Bork out I doubt it’s him.

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I’m not going to lie I am starting to see the light on Prism. But idk.

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Bork and ffery if this wagon flips green and either of you neighborize pls come talk to me thx

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If you are town I will be auto voting Prism tomorrow, for what it’s worth. Maybe I’ll consider vax