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[Noraa]

*rushes in*
*looks around*
*runs to Johnny full speed*

JOHNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I MISSED BEING IN A HYDRA WITH YOU SO MUCH I REPPED INTO THIS GAME CUZ I SAW U

[Noraa]

Hey Noraa

I kinda think Johnny is scum, what's your take on this

That'd make me extremely sad

[Noraa]

I skimmed shelly's ISO briefly and I'm glad my skills in reading her haven't declined in the least. Got my lovely green role pm which is making me happy.

One thing to point out is that she said the scum team was Nopoint/Johnny/___ and the moment I saw that, my eyebrows just went UP and I was like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

cuz my first flawless scum win on site was a game where nopo and Johnny were my scum buddies.

[Noraa]

Well this game is in a precarious state where I am very concerned about the lack of energy and think it must be intentional in some regard

Cool! I'll kick everyone until they wake up.

[Noraa]

*kicks everyone twice for good measure*

[Noraa]

Unwnd, who are you SRs besides Johnny? Based 10000% on personal bias, I'd prefer he didn't die the day I repped in cuz I repped in cuz I wanted to play with him

Even if he's scum, thats fine ... lol my bias is really strong.

[Noraa]

Okie well I'm tired of waiting for ur reply(I waited approximately half a minute)
Im going to bedsies.
guys fill this game with some content while I'm sleeping that way I have shtuff to dig thru tomorrow. G'NIGHT

pedit: that was fast

[Noraa]

Right now I'm looking in Johnny/Hank/Gera and even then that list is not from a perspective where I think this must be the 3 scum, it's just where I want to start so I can start accumulating some stronger townreads hopefully by causing action to take place.

Cool lets lim Hank or Gera then!

[Noraa]

...Just like that Noraa?

Did I say this before in this game I fucking swear I did

I haven't read up yet but I might since there's only like 30 pages.

[Noraa]

Right now I'm looking in Johnny/Hank/Gera and even then that list is not from a perspective where I think this must be the 3 scum, it's just where I want to start so I can start accumulating some stronger townreads hopefully by causing action to take place.

Cool lets lim Hank or Gera then!

I'm a very easy elimination, I'm surprised thr push on me hasnt been stronger. It will be no great loss for town if it happens.

Oh boy this defeatist attitude sure doesn't remind me of town!you.
Dunno where my predecessor's vote is, but for now, VOTE: Geraint

[Noraa]

It's Noraa! Hey yeah this games in a weird place. Biggest takeaway for me right now is town doesn't have a strong voice so we're all just kinda farting around. Hank's a good place to go for everyone tho, methinks.

VOTE: HANKY

Add more exclamation marks >:((((((((((((((((((

[Noraa]

Why'd you have to go and replace in a scummy slot

shelly was a beacon of towniness and if u don't think so, its either bc ur scum or u don't understand her meta at all. I literally skimmed her ISO *SKIMMED* for maybe a minute and I was like YES IV REP ME IN I AM READY

[Noraa]

Hi Noraa!

VOTE: Noraa

Ah I see how its supposed to be!

The polite way to greet people is with a vote :OOO
Well then,

HI NM!!!
VOTE: The one with the cow prfpc :PPPPPPPP

[Noraa]

Noraa how do you read nopoint right now?

nothing crazy stands out. highly dislike the shelly read as she looks obvtown as hell to me but most people aren't good at reading her so ...

[Noraa]

I originally thought she was towny but her recent behavior has been eye-brow raising. Have you read your role pm?

its not legal to not read ur role pm before repping in? and uh ... no. shelly looks towny af in EVERY SINGLE POST (imo)

[Noraa]

So you're only reading your own slots posts or what

As I've said, I'm not caught up.

[Noraa]

wave at Noraa

You're town too, right????

as always

[Noraa]

lemme get this right. Dunn claimed cop and people are still voting there?

[Noraa]

Searching for a replacement for Hank Spankems. If he returns before I find a replacement I'll allow him to continue playing.

somehow missed this post but

[Noraa]

Noraa you're voting on my inno check

I saw that earlier. I'm basically just gonna leave it there until my catch up is finished. NM won't get flash wagoned cuz he is cleared so there's no harm done in leaving it until I'm decided on who is scum

jus wanted to say but uh I started my reread yesterday and got thru like ............. 2 pages and Johnnys already like ...... looking pretty bad :/
*sigh*

[Noraa]

O_o
the vc is messy as hell. Agh ok I'll get the readup done hopefully TODAY.

[Noraa]

Okay I'll do it, this is multiball and I am a werewolf, Dunn is mafia

HUH?

[Noraa]

where did shelly get framed?????

[Noraa]

Present! Yesterday was my bday

:OOOO

NUUUU I DIDNT GET TO SAY HAPPY BDAY!

*looks down in shame*

[Noraa]

Happy late birthday Mon!

[Noraa]

I'm procrastinating so damn bad. But first, can someone give me a list of claims? Just like everything that's been claimed so far.

[Noraa]

I'm procrastinating so damn bad. But first, can someone give me a list of claims? Just like everything that's been claimed so far.

dunn claimed cop (now powerless due to cop enabler dead), got an inno on not-mafia

Ok so Dunn is basically 100% confirmed?
Cuz existence of cop enabler is already like 90% saying cop exists.

[Noraa]

From what I've seen,

PlusJOYED - who knows.
JohnnyFarrar - probscum. I've barely read any pages and in the literal 2 pages I read, his vibe was all the way off.
nopointinactingup - not sure. he had one post that said all the attention was on him and Johnny which feels super slimy to me but normally if he was scum, he wouldn't wk a partner...
geraintm - very underwhelming. not talking to me the way I expect but with 1 game of meta, I don't know much.
Hank Spankems - dude that just repped out. apparently another probscum?
Flavor Leaf - don't like how he blamed me for his activity drop.
Andresvmb - who dis?
shellyc - conftown. tyvm.
TheFuzzyLogic99 - can't remember a single post from this slot.
unwnd - probtown. dunno tho. still trying to figure out what exactly are your meta tells.
Dunnstral - conftown.
Not_Mafia - conftown.

So many conftowns!!!

[Noraa]

I was gonna ask a question but I forgot really fast. sooo yeah I'll just post this and hope I remember the question later.

[Noraa]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

god if this is town!you, this is pretty disappointing. not terribly shocked if this is town!you but if it is, god u can't read me at all.

[Noraa]

I also specifically stated Unwnd vs FL tomorrow.

Read the game, Dunn.

Y u so salty?! ur like a bag of salt straight outta the sea

[Noraa]

OH I remember the question. How tf did y'all end up with nolim on ... day 1?!

[Noraa]

if you're scum, people gonna use "it's just Noraa!" as a defense.

if you're town, I don't trust you to read people correctly, including myself. Can't say why to this right now, but like, this should be obvious to you.

Ok so ur saying that instead of trying to sort me and then deal with me depending on alignment(ie lim if scum and tune out sometimes as town), we should follow ur master plan of "Lets PL someone(a replacement that hit the ground running last night, mind you) after we literally no limmed the day before"

[Noraa]

if you're scum, people gonna use "it's just Noraa!" as a defense.

if you're town, I don't trust you to read people correctly, including myself. Can't say why to this right now, but like, this should be obvious to you.

Ok so ur saying that instead of trying to sort me and then deal with me depending on alignment(ie lim if scum and tune out sometimes as town), we should follow ur master plan of "Lets PL someone(a replacement that hit the ground running last night, mind you) after we literally no limmed the day before"

Following this genius plan, we should probs be limming you as you're clearly more negative utility than me.

Its kinda rude of u to suggest this considering ur literally a more exaggerated version of me(ie town play is worse and scum play is better than mine)

[Noraa]

How many times have I misread you from Day 3 onwards?

I just repped in so its basically "day 1"
and all ik is that ur trash at reading me day 1. U haven't ever not SRed me.

[Noraa]

Let me know after you've checked the plethora of games I have where I've helped town lead to a victory from full game solving.

You've never read me right. I don't really care about that plethora of games.

[Noraa]

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

pfft. u suck at reading shelly too is the conclusion.

[Noraa]

Lol, I caught you on your first post in Xenoblade 2, get out of here.

if u SR me every game, it means u SR my play style and therefore you didn't even "catch" me in xeno.

[Noraa]

What do you mean?

I was town reading Shelly.

Why are u SRing me again?

[Noraa]

I'm pushing for a Noraa/Nopoint fade/vig, while pushing you as scum.

Only reason it's equity is because you are scum here.

god is town!FL really this bad? I wanna just call him scum but I was told recently that if he's annoying as hell, he's probably just town.

[Noraa]

Down for Noraa but like, I like Noraa so I'd rather not. I fully realize that's a bad reason but my vote is there if y'all need it

Sorry Johnny. Ilysm but I'm pretty sure ur scum here. This is not town!Johnnys reaction to limming Noraa.

[Noraa]

Get more info around the slots with a Noraa fade tbh, plus I don't trust townNoraa. We need a fade. We're in circular territory.

We need a PL. Yes we NEEEEEED it. Why? Oh bc we didn't fuck up enough with a damn no lim on day 1.

[Noraa]

Down for Noraa but like, I like Noraa so I'd rather not. I fully realize that's a bad reason but my vote is there if y'all need it

I may be a bit biased because I don't like reading her posts because scum her just kisses up to townies, and town her has bad logic.

yeah so u want a PL on me.
you know how you piss someone off?
its by suggesting a PL the moment they rep in/the game starts.

how would u feel if I'm like "Let's PL flavor every game. His scum play is incredible and his town play is obnoxious as hell"

[Noraa]

There are non noraa policy lim reasons to vote noraa

And I gave them

No. not really. u reworded the definition of PL a few times tho

[Noraa]

Johnny I don't understand why you are so willing to hop/vote wherever the thread pleases

agree

[Noraa]

the fact you think my reasonings were policy is because Noraa whined to make it seem that's what it was.

no. more bc u didn't have any reasons besides policy.

[Noraa]

and I haven't ever misfaded you.

You're too surface level of a player still to see further than what's right in front of you, regardless of alignment, and you get hung up on stupid things.

why are you attacking my join date?
being a few game years older is no feat.

[Noraa]

Like I said, you're just not there yet.

5 years from now, maybe you'll be able to see the difference.

stop being so smug about ur experience. I don't care and you aren't playing any better than people that just started recently. At least they don't rub their join date in my face.

you just bleed annoying town vibes so much its annoying me.

[Noraa]

it's like 50% chance Nora/Nopoint for me, which is coin flip odds, but still I think it's a good path to go. I'm confident with a coinflip this early on, especially considering we haven't faded.

I literally stated this in the post before you showed up.

The fact you can't even see that is why you are 5+ years behind me.

Even on my first year of playing Mafia I was ahead of you by years. I went undefeated as scum and town, I just had that early naruto stank, but that's all gucci, but im hokage now.

I'm pushing for a Noraa/Nopoint fade/vig, while pushing you as scum.

Only reason it's equity is because you are scum here.

god is town!FL really this bad? I wanna just call him scum but I was told recently that if he's annoying as hell, he's probably just town.

the fact you think it's bad just shows your surface level of a mindset.

why are you trying so hard to tell me I play like shit?????
this is like talking to a 2 year old. stop talking to me. ur annoying.

[Noraa]

I have the best Win/Loss record of any player on site this year.

wins mean nothing if the players come out of it disliking your play style.

[Noraa]

I think you have higher scum equity, I think you have terrible logic both alignments, and I think if you are town, you will lose the game.

this is just a stupid train of thought.

[Noraa]

And I was gone for 6 months, and I still almost matched Hectic's Wins of Scum games. (proud of him, watched him as a newbie, was glad to see how much he improved over the 6 months I was gone.)

Stop bragging. no one cares.

[Noraa]

I'm not here to be liked this year.

it shows.

[Noraa]

Holy fuck I wanna yeet this with fire.

VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: Flavor

[Noraa]

Doesn't even see the actual benefits of what I am trying to accomplish.

if it is my total anger, then yes you have failed. I'm only at ~55% on my anger meter.

[Noraa]

and whatever benefits u speak of I don't see. I just see an annoying play style that is annoying me.

[Noraa]

I've been posting trying to elicit reaction from Noraa, something I'm trying to see if I should lean scum or lean town on her.

She is actively trying to attack and say bad rather than explain why she should be town read.

There is not a single reason she has stated why anyone should town read her, her only defense has been "bad at reading me", even though she specifically just came into the game.

I am engaging her in a way I know she will react, and I've actively been trying to have her give actual reasons for her to be town, but she chooses to attack. This feels defensive.

well when ur offense is shit, the defense is gonna go down in quality too, Mr. Smartie pants.

[Noraa]

You were given the Third Degree Boon, and we created a page of stuff for people to analyze.

Now, let's reset this.

You say we should town read you, great.

Why? Which 3 non meta reasons should we town read you for?

I don't take orders from those younger than me in posting age.

[Noraa]

and now, as I have kindly requested, stop talking to me. ur annoying.

[Noraa]

Exactly what I expected.

Nothing.

You give nothing. You get nothing.

Thats how the world works

[Noraa]

You just can't handle people scum reading you. Nancy Drew used to be the same way, and you have early Nancy Drew vibes.

haha and ur solution to that is "Lets death tunnel Noraa the moment she reps in"
what a genius you are

[Noraa]

I respond, so if you post, ill post back, that's just how it is. I will continue to case you in this game when necessary, but I have absolutely no care if you stop talking.

You bring me up, Imma talk.

That's just the way it is.

in other words, you need to have the last word. Ok go ahead. have the last word and then be quiet.

[Noraa]

Johnny come save me from this leaf!

[Noraa]

pocket attempt

gotta pocket all the scum.

[Noraa]

You should have kept the Shelly pocketing of me, tbh

you don't fit in my pocket.

[Noraa]

and you smell like grilled cheese so no thanks.

[Noraa]

You should have kept the Shelly pocketing of me, tbh

you don't fit in my pocket.

ah, makes sense. you aren't as capable a player, so you knew you couldn't.

at least I know where my skill level falls at.

[Noraa]

and plus. I rarely pocket even as scum so I don't get ur point.

[Noraa]

You're a level 2 player, playing a level 3 game, and I'm changing the game.

There is not a single player on site who can compare to my amount of game solves and scum gambits.

Sure.

[Noraa]

You can't disassociate the persona played by me in game from the real, which is fine, but we're not even playing the same game, Noraa. That's the difference here.

I don't know if you're mad town or scum discrediting here, but your vote out of emotion proves exactly what I set out to do.

Prove you aren't trying to be town read, and that you are specifically trying to push me down.

I couldn't care less what King Flavor thought about my slot. He's never not SRed me anyways so it just shows how utterly uncapable of sorting me he is.

[Noraa]

You want to try to come and step up to me?

Then do it. Use logic. Use cases. Make actual reads.

says the one that just repeats "Noraa should be PLed" and all its synonyms one million times.

[Noraa]

You can't disassociate the persona played by me in game from the real, which is fine, but we're not even playing the same game, Noraa. That's the difference here.

I don't know if you're mad town or scum discrediting here, but your vote out of emotion proves exactly what I set out to do.

Prove you aren't trying to be town read, and that you are specifically trying to push me down.

I couldn't care less what King Flavor thought about my slot. He's never not SRed me anyways so it just shows how utterly uncapable of sorting me he is.

This is my 2nd game with you.

you know what I mean.

[Noraa]

And my first game with you, I caught you as scum.

And you replaced out Day 1 of the other scum game I saw you in.

nah I don't think so. I think ur just another person that SRs my play style and just doesn't get it.

[Noraa]

im not gonna give you a free town read.

Do the fucking work and stop complaining.

I don't want a town read from you, King Flavor. you think too highly of urself.

[Noraa]

I know that it's not, and that's proven here because you can't comprehend the fact that I read gamestate. If I scum read you, that doesn't make you scum, and that's something you need to learn overall.

There's also multiple scum in this game, and you need to learn how to disassociate and look elsewhere if one slot is giving you trouble.

I give you a hard time because I think you are an issue. You have done things in games that I don't like.

You replace out of games and immediately replace into others when the game's not going in your favor, which is bannable.

..... mind your own business and being harsh towards a specific player is just rude af? Blacklist me if I'm a issue. I don't have any interest in accepting stupid treatment of me for stupid reasons.

[Noraa]

When I am rude and egoist, it's always based on play.

I am harder to the players that need it more.

maybe I need to be yelling at you every game then according to ur terrible logic.

[Noraa]

Unlikable me is town me.

ScumMe charms their way into winning.

You're trying to prove ur town by pissing me off?

[Noraa]

Thank god this town isn't stupid and sheeping you otherwise I would've gone insane by now.

[Noraa]

These shit ass arguments are making my eyes bleed.

[Noraa]

Nah, i didn't have a plan for going after you or anything, that just happened because I'm spouting my genuine experienced thoughts.

yeah experienced. I think shelly has better play and she's a newbie.

[Noraa]

Thank god this town isn't stupid and sheeping you otherwise I would've gone insane by now.

Most of them already thought Shelly was scum, so

ofc they did. shelly always gets mislimmed fast as town.

[Noraa]

or the vig can just vig me so i dont have to listen to Nora and Flavor argue with each other
I not voting outside the four I listed as possible scum.
so either Non, John, Andre or Hank.....

OML a friendly face! Phew

[Noraa]

Fuzzy talk to me! Ignore queen jester over here.

[Noraa]

These shit ass arguments are making my eyes bleed.

I'm not even really debating with you.

I'm literally just telling you and explaining the faults in your play, no argument necessary.

I've already done my analysis, pretty well, I'd be surprised if I didn't have at least 1 scum in my 3.

And that's where another of your weakness goes.

You act like you know my playstyle when you don't know I am the biggest flip flopper on site.

You just act like you know, when you clearly are still in the beginner's theory book.

If you wanna get in a shade war with me, I will take you to town, so if you're sensitive, stay away.

I will never take anything personal in the arena of Mafia, and I admit when I've made mistakes post game.

you just hold no weight because you're clearly stabbing at me from the dark.

la la la la la la la~~~~~

[Noraa]

pocket attempt

la la lala laaaaaa~

[Noraa]

i wouldn't know.

Shelly's a newer player to me too, but had some promise before she did what she did, which is like, come on. Don't do that people.

lalalalala laaaaa~

[Noraa]

I mean, biased.

Shelly even stated she read my guide for scumplay multiple times, so it shows she was learning from me, so

lala la laaa~

[Noraa]

Seems I made you forget how to speak.

Proves my point at your ability to defend yourself, though.

la la lala~~~

[Noraa]

Ur so snarky its actually kinda funny now.

[Noraa]

It's like trying to talk to DK lol

[Noraa]

Super annoying but once you accept they just have ~younger sibling vibes~ , it's a lot better.

[Noraa]

It's like trying to talk to DK lol

that's how I felt about you.

don't worry. the DK persona is all yours. I don't want it. thanks for considering me

[Noraa]

Its not an insult. I would never insult you

[Noraa]

And Dkkoba completely let me assist them, so I know they're even more open to learning and progressing.

good for them. they can have fun doing that.

[Noraa]

Now who's scum if I was flipped green.

boon skies

[Noraa]

Dkkoba's like three levels higher than you already.

uh huh ... definitely

[Noraa]

Now who's scum if I was flipped green.

boon skies

K, then if you're not gonna play the damn game, I'm reporting you next time you replace out of a game just to replace into a new one.

I've seen you do this multiple times now, and that's not okay.

I've repped out of three games in all of my life on this site. I do wonder where ur fan fiction comes from.

[Noraa]

And uh. there are lots of reasons to replace out. Having too many games is not the only one. Repping out cuz of emotional stuff and then repping in elsewhere is not illegal last I checked.

[Noraa]

And uh. there are lots of reasons to replace out. Having too many games is not the only one. Repping out cuz of emotional stuff and then repping in elsewhere is not illegal last I checked.

Play the damn game you signed up for. That includes here to.

You're actively doing nothing this game but spamming and trying to discredit me.

Play the fucking game.

haven't seen you say a single thing that's even remotely helpful to anything.

[Noraa]

Noraa take a step back

He's annoying as hell!!!!!!

[Noraa]

flavor's been annoying.

[Noraa]

Fade this slot. ^

She refuses to actually play the fucking game.

I'm done talking to her, I want her faded now.

nice build up. it just makes u look dumb as hell...

[Noraa]

tunneling a replacement and then acting all high and mighty smh.

[Noraa]

flavo take this angry mafia coach shit to DMs if you really think it'll help her improve.

i aint slippin into her dm's.

no one wants you in their dms anyways.

[Noraa]

A mafia coach is supposed to teach u mafia not how to get an inflated ego.

[Noraa]

A mafia coach is supposed to teach u mafia not how to get an inflated ego.

I'm not your mafia coach, i'm your mafia critic.

last I checked mafia critics this over the top would get fired by their bosses :O

[Noraa]

now play the game

Ok, King Jester.

[Noraa]

I don't have bosses in real life or my mafia life.

the list mods are your bosses.

[Noraa]

I am the boss

uh huh.

[Noraa]

cool. you have fun being the boss. I don't really care.

[Noraa]

Are you gonna whine when you get more votes on you?

Are you gonna whine when no one listens to ur dumb plan?

[Noraa]

You know its ridiculous that u say I'm a shitty player cuz I can't defend myself, make cases, or do well under pressure. You then admit its NAI but then call me scum for it anyways. like ... LOL please make sure you remember things that you say a few minutes prior otherwise you look like a fool.

[Noraa]

Literally Noraa's entire game this game has been to just focus on me.

Right after Unwnd got voted by Insane.

well when someone annoyingly tunnels you, it normally gets ur attention.

[Noraa]

You know its ridiculous that u say I'm a shitty player cuz I can't defend myself, make cases, or do well under pressure. You then admit its NAI but then call me scum for it anyways. like ... LOL please make sure you remember things that you say a few minutes prior otherwise you look like a fool.

I've also stated you as a 50% scum, so it really doesn't.

so basically u don't have a single SR. Good to know. Amazingly shit scum hunting skills you've got there.

[Noraa]

Btw I'm about to drop a case on why Johnny is scum. thing is that I am 99% sure he is scum but don't want him to die anyways.

[Noraa]

Johnny u always asked me for ur scum tells. I'll give them to you. These are the things that stuck out to me from the tiny bit of this game that I've read otherwise known as your iso.

First red flag: Wall post on page 1. You're not a blabbermouth type playstyle so seeing that alone is very strange and + scum points

Second red flag: One of your town tells that maybe you haven't realized yet is that you love making posts like: "Hey I'm online. Anyone want to talk?" I think about it as ur bored as town and don't know what to talk about so u kinda need to bounce off of others. You didn't have a single post like that here which is BIG BIG BIG red flag.

Third red flag: You never addressed me calling you scum and I did it multiple times. Ur dodgy bc ur afraid I catch you considering I've played a shit ton of games with you. Confidence is key and even fake confidence is better than none.

Last red flag: You're not really snarky(dunno if this is a good word to use. its hard to describe the vibe) as town. Like I think town!Johnny is fluffy as clouds with not a care in mind. But here you kinda give me those "aaaaaaaaaa what do I do? lets have loads of sarcasm in every post and hope people like me!"

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraa

Johnny wagon composition absolutely sucks.

U should learn that sometimes when ur scum buddy's about to die, you shouldn't try to save. Bussing is the right way to go.

[Noraa]

Ok I WILL read up today. Swear to god I'm procrastinating so bad.

For now:
Confscum: Johnny but its my favorite Mon so I don't want him to die regardless of that.
Prob scum: Insano. Defending Johnny here is not great.
I could add nopo in for defending Johnny too.
Johnny is scum cuz of meta. The rest will be determined thru my read up.

[Noraa]

If anyone is familiar with Johnny they should tell me if his behavior is indicative of anything

Right now his questions seem preemptive that gives me pause

I'm town blocking unwnd for the Johnny reads and the suspicion that comes this early in the game. I have played with him a shit ton and I can guarantee that this is not town!him.

[Noraa]

Johnny I still love u <3
and that's why I'm advocating that we all just treat u like an IC and leave u to be the last scum to die.

[Noraa]

You could spend the time to find a better avatar

A person with a bouncing pig creature with flopping udders is in no position to say anything about other people's avatars

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this made me laugh so hard but I feel kinda bad cuz ur making fun of someone else's prfpc

[Noraa]

Like I'm asking questions too early, unwnd or? This is my only game rn so it's got all my focus. At least until I find an instrument to learn. So far it's just an old harmonica and my baby's xylophone

One of those mini xylophones that are cute as heck? :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
those are adorableeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Noraa]

Eh. It's a lot of effort to end rvs before everyone's posted because people love this bullshit. So I'll be playing Frere Jaques on a rainbow xylophone until a few more people have checked in

Scum!you is very charismatic dare I say

[Noraa]

Xylophones can be out of tune? Who knew?

RVS is just boring. I'm not saying it's not occasionally useful, but it's rife with randomness, inside jokes and a general unwillingness to commit.

“Occasionally useful” seems like a hell of an understatement after we’ve just finished a game where you and one of your partners were both caught as scum in RVS

hmmmmmmmmm I better see u SRing Johnny soon then.

[Noraa]

Hardly, but I have an ego problem

No. No you don't. Yesterday the word "ego problem" was redefined and you certainly don't fit the picture anymore.

[Noraa]

Xylophones can be out of tune? Who knew?

RVS is just boring. I'm not saying it's not occasionally useful, but it's rife with randomness, inside jokes and a general unwillingness to commit.

“Occasionally useful” seems like a hell of an understatement after we’ve just finished a game where you and one of your partners were both caught as scum in RVS

Eyyyy you remembered! Not my best moment do you think I'm scum again?

No

[Noraa]

so Not Mafia is doing way more than he usually does, just think that should be noted.

He's been like this in all of his recent games. its nothing new.

[Noraa]

But is he scum? How can you tell? I've never seen it

Ok I think I can confidently say NM isn't scum with Johnny.

[Noraa]

andres is probtown because of tone
unwnd is probtown (less than andres though) because the poking at you seems pretty inquisitive

you have gone from a scumlean to a scumread
frustration from joking doesn't seem genuine especially when compared to other games

Agree with all of this except Andres is null. I can't see anything special there.

[Noraa]

So this is how shelly plays as town

I kinda hate this but I do feel like if u were scum, I'd be more inclined to think NM is scum for not SRing Johnny but Dunn/NM/Johnny seems way too easy.

[Noraa]

Sacrilege! don't mess with k-pop bro

Agree. Back off. I will protect Johnny!

[Noraa]

Johnny is more aggressive and lurks much more in his scum game, so leaning town.

maybe I can forgive this considering u have had one game and only one game with him.

[Noraa]

SO you're 100% Shelly is town 4 pages in? And it's not because you have the knowledge?

Last time I caught scum shelly, I caught her on page 7. Shelly's play style either clicks with u and u can read it or it doesn't. that's how it is.

[Noraa]

Still trying to wrap my head around that but no luck .. Need a linguist here. Sounds more like it’s coming from someone who has prior knowledge that Shelly is town.

+scum points

if nopo and Johnny are both scum, imma be so damn sad that I got left out from the party. Literally that's unfair as hell. We could've had Kpop part 2

[Noraa]

You seem a little like annoyed scum who is getting pushed for reasons they don’t think are alignment indicative.

pfft

[Noraa]

Feel like in the last game we played together your ferocity was a means of baiting people into arguments for the benefit of reading them further. I was someone who became victim to this, but if you reveal your hand too early then I don't know how Dunn is supposed to feel the pressure

Oh he kinda sucks at making people feel pressure if that was his goal in arguing with me about the definition of PL for 7 pages.

[Noraa]

83 is an implied read, I'm not sure how you see it as a slip instead

There is a real fine line between making implied reads and subconsciously blurting out prior knowledge.

im liking Dunn and not nopo.

god damn.
If its really Johnny/Nopo/someone, Imma be so damn sad. The RNG gods are monsters for not letting me be scum with u two again. I hate red role pms but damn if its with the Kpop trio, HELL FUCKING YES GIMME THAT RED.

[Noraa]

Maybe it was .. but it still really pings me the wrong way as I explained

It would be really difficult to "accidentally" slip like post 83

Ya I think I do agree with this. it is kinda a rather obvious slip that if scum, u should be able to catch. it does sound weird when u first see it but I think nopo's refusal to admit that its a slip that would come from the shittiest of players is just scummy.

[Noraa]

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99

Expecting a lot of fuzzy logic from you, and maybe 99

as you should. I am the king of Fuzziness and Lynch bait.


Forgot to claim

Shush I want to claim first. I claim TOWN POTAHTO!

[Noraa]

dunn is similar to epilogue. townlean

johnny was quite lamisty in bus service (scum!him town!me) especially when pushed ("i'll flip green where will you look next?")

flavour, can you back up that meta read of yours with links?
FL seems a bit overconfident which I'd expect from scum!him more because flavour treats playing scum as performing/theatre (quite like myself)

nopointactingup gaslighting dunn as "100% confident on town!shelly" is scummy. also the backtracking when met with resistance from dunn/unwnd i dislike.

fuzzy feels very surface level but is more verbose than what I've seen of scum!him atm.

unwnd's thoughts quite align with my own.

I agree with almost all of this.
Ok I think I can safely say that I agree with shelly thinking the scum team has nopo and Johnny. My only reservation was while skimming some places yesterday, I saw one vee cee where both nopo and Johnny were voting for shelly. Thats kinda dangerous if both are scum.

[Noraa]

Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

fuzzy, N_M's openpost is NAI or else it would fall under the definition of a trust tell

I agree with fuzzy's NM read. I hate NM's read on Johnny but that game that fuzzy mentioned definitely matches up with NM's play here.

I've actually just thought of something that is kinda alarming and tripping me up but why would anyone in their right mind cop NM on day 1? Like that seems like the lowest info cop result possible.

Maybe if I read on, the answer will magically appear.

[Noraa]

Nopo started the game with a levity that was uncharacteristic of last time I saw him (scum) but then dove in on dunn in a way that I didn't love.

ok maybe nopo's just town.

[Noraa]

johnny im like ever-so-slightly better on because i think effort is AI for johnny

nah hes scum but still my favorite person here

[Noraa]

do you townread dunn then?

No, actually, I think I follow flavor's whole "he seems more annoyed than is necessary" read on the dunn situation

flavor town unfortunately.

[Noraa]

so you dont like dunn AND the way nopoint is going after dunn?

hmmm

what are your townreads other than fuzzy?

good catch.

[Noraa]

*wipes forehead*

catching up is tiring.

[Noraa]

fuzzy is probtown.

this is (albeit surface-level) engagement that is not there in his scumgame

I think this as well but last time fuzzy was scum, I TRed them so, I have no confidence.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Shellyc

Hi momma bear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but also:

[Noraa]

Spicy

.............I'll give u a bigger list of scum and town tells after the game and in dms. that way u can actually use them to ur advantage in the future.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol VOTE: flavor leaf

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that for your own sake

Why would YOUR seeing it be something bad for his own sake?

This is town.

you really just have bad reads....

[Noraa]

This is town.

VOTE: Andres

:OOOOOOOO
Johnny is so adorable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

*yawn*
I don't wanna read anymore.

Unwnd talk to me. you have the godly solves and then I'll just lazily do the ISOs and call it a day. I found u one confscum and uh yeah! contributions!

[Noraa]

I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

[Noraa]

I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

we have a vig?

I thought Jacko already claimed vig right?

[Noraa]

Could you please use the multi-quote function, rather than replying to every single post individually?

I'll consider it.

[Noraa]

Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

fuzzy, N_M's openpost is NAI or else it would fall under the definition of a trust tell

I agree with fuzzy's NM read. I hate NM's read on Johnny but that game that fuzzy mentioned definitely matches up with NM's play here.

I've actually just thought of something that is kinda alarming and tripping me up but why would anyone in their right mind cop NM on day 1? Like that seems like the lowest info cop result possible.

Maybe if I read on, the answer will magically appear.

There is waybtoo much going on in this game.
But I would investigate not mafia, I cannotnread them and I know this

hm ok fair.

Btw I'm about to drop a case on why Johnny is scum. thing is that I am 99% sure he is scum but don't want him to die anyways.

Ibsont get this logic. If you think someone is scummy why don't you vote them?

I repped in cuz I saw him on the plist. If he dies, what's the fun?!

Unwind- huh, I voted you bc of VCA not for anything Flavor said. Not sure why Insan is voting you

Geraintm- that's always true in mafia. Fl vs Noraa didn't help at all.

-scum has 1 main goal ,kill town and try to avoid getting caught doing it. This means blending into town when possible. The fact scum did not kill day 1 means something went wrong somewhere along the way.
Some of it is the town prob didn't give then enough opportunity for the miskill.

Questions
* were scum on the two leading wagon (1.04-Finale) and if not why
* were scum activeless pushing for wagons and if not why not
* are scum active or passive this game

If scum was not atleast on one of the two wagon I would be surprised. It seems likely there was one on each and the third was totally off wagon and was pushing a vanity or semi vanity wagon. The other two answer I am not sure at the moment.

Vote Insan

not a solid vote as I am trying to figure things out and it can change. As I said my vote is between the four I listed

can u like ... reword this post? Im confused @_@

so Not Mafia is doing way more than he usually does, just think that should be noted.

He's been like this in all of his recent games. its nothing new.

I've been in 2 games of him recently. He was not like this, but he was town in both.

If it's in the past year, it's new.

If its the past month, its even more new. Don't @ me.

[Noraa]

actually who is jacko? Is that Flavor leaf?

oh fuck me. jacko is jacko the amazingest and they aren't in this game. wrong game.

[Noraa]

Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

and you're definitely the most important player in this game

And that's why even if something so much as tickles ur toes, we gotta lim it for u.

[Noraa]

Noraa yelled at the vig to shoot me because I'm enabler.

..........................wtf is up with ur crappy logic

[Noraa]

How about we flip Non today and deal with Nora tomorrow.If Nora flip scum you can give me the necktie the next day,

Oh boy this looks like TMI.

[Noraa]

Does anyone have any issues with NoPoint being Vigged?

why did nopoint know there was a vig enabler

hold up what?

[Noraa]

Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

The first time you say this, it was confusing.
The second time, it still didn't make sense.
The third time, I was still confused.
But the fourth time. I completely understood what was happening.

[Noraa]

err nopoint said that

and Flavor hadn't claimed beforehand?

[Noraa]

If yes, Nopo is basically a confirmed scum role cop.

[Noraa]

I'm a Vigilante Enabler.

If anyone ever thinks I claim this scummy ass role as scum here, we're gonna have some words post game.

Maybe if people weren't posting 15 posts in a row it'd be easier to find that he claimed well before that.

*scratches head*
sorry

[Noraa]

Noraa
help me flip NoPoint today.......

There is No point in not flipping NoPoint today

FTR I'm completely fine with this.

AHA so many useless posts I see. Ignore ignore

Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality

I liked the way you were headed until this. Why would a town cop enabler mean a scum vig enabler? This feels very specific and a bit tmi

I didn't like the way FL claimed vig enabler out of nowhere when there's barely any votes on that. Why is it specific??

so nopoint calls FL scummy for trying to die Dunn to Titus, and then...proceeds to try to tie FL and Dunn together.

Not ruling something out is not tieing them together, don't like your misrepresentation here.

Flavor is still a posiibility but a mafia vig enabler seems like an odd role,,,but anything is possible

I have specific reasons to think FL is 80% scum if his claim is true here.

Scum main objective is to

lunch

.....

And NopointScum was pushing me while ShellyScum was towning me.

That's a classic hyena.

Wow, just wow

@FL: you're condescending af and I don't think attacking other people personally like this should be allowed in the thread
@Nora: just ignore him

Yeah Nora is doing pretty much what I'd expect scum in her position to do. There's no way she can really think Johnny is scum considering Johnny plays entirely differently in the last game we were in.

why do people think there is a vig? I don't understand

FL claimed Vig enabler.
I think he is really vig enabler.
I also think he's scum.
The stuff with Nora is scum theatre.

I have an inno on Johnny (not a cop inno but I'm not willing to say what it is unless Johnny is ok with it). If you lynch me, you'd better not lynch Johnny tomorrow.

Uhhhhhhhh LOL. You think Flavor/Noraa is SvS? You must be insane or something. This is literally like one thousand million percent impossible.

The fact that no one in this entire thread except me seems to think Johnny is town should scream town already but what the hell do I know

No.

@FL: you're condescending af and I don't think attacking other people personally like this should be allowed in the thread

@Nora: just ignore him

Yeah Nora is doing pretty much what I'd expect scum in her position to do. There's no way she can really think Johnny is scum considering Johnny plays entirely differently in the last game we were in.

This is a weird line to say to someone you think is putting on an act?

+1

Nopoint's reads and progression on me all game have been fake.

I'm going to bring it all the way back to early Day 1.

He shaded Dunnstral poorly, as did I.

Then I played my bait, and Nopoint's literally the player that got caught from my bait earlier.

I guarantee you that Nopoint is scum, and I have been saying Nopoint scum since Day 1.

I have been pushing Nopoint as my top 2 scumreads all day, and actually, I'm easing up on Unwnd a bit because of Noraa/Nopoint.

Nopoint disappeared from the game when Noraa and I were fighting, yet Plusjoyed isn't talking about that.

This turn makes perfect sense btw if Noraa was scum with FL

Vote: Noraa

Uh no.

You waited for Noraa to get enough votes and turned on me or anyone else when you got the chance. That way you'll be seen as completely distanced from Noraa. There was no hyenas.

Pfft. He actually explained this part(surprisingly enough) and this is misrep.

I don't think noraa is scum
I've thought it over, I can't believe I missed FL claiming vig enabler. This is def a town FL move imo. Now this makes a lot more sense.

I'm theVOTE: vig, I shot titus n1. No point in really hiding if the enabler is out there. I thought titus was scum trying to sidetrack with a flashwagon on town shelly, I was wrong. I'm guessing scum did too. I seriously believe there is a maf conspiracy with maf team framing shelly for titus kill; this is not scum!shelly's MO at all, and shelly/noraa is town.

I will be shooting johny tonight.

aw Johnny but ok

I don't like that, you have no skin in the game.

The deal is
When Nora's lynched and flip red, we vig you.
When I'm lynched and flip green, we vig you.
When Nora's lynched and flip green, we vig me.

.........VOTE: Nopo

[Noraa]

I think Noraa's bussing, but I'll take the Nopoint fade.

Oh shut up.
Im bussing Johnny
Im bussing nopo
Im bussing flavor.
How many damn imaginary scum buddies did y'all make up for me?

[Noraa]

Where I'll probably just shoot johny, I'm open to suggestions if a lot of my TRs prefer another target. I think FL/Noraa is TvT that has gotten out of hand due to player friction.

Johnny is a safe shot. He's confscum imo. I just want him alive cuz I like talking to him even if he's scum.

[Noraa]

nopoint is claiming some kind of clear on johnny, not sure what it is. I don't think geraintm's a bad shot, maybe fuzzy. I guess I need to give andres a third look but I felt he was town on my first two reads.

Scum team .... Insano/Johnny/Nopo?

[Noraa]

despite andres less activity I still TR him
-----
TRs I'm taking vig suggestions from (unordered)
insano
noraa
dunn
FL
andres

notmafia has been so out of it I'd rather not let them aim no offense.

go Johnny.

[Noraa]

Oh btw Plusjoyed is CONFTOWN in my book. Why tf would scum ever be like "AHAHA I vigged ur prs"

Last time I was a vig, I claimed to be a vig on day 3 and there were ZERO double kills at night. Dead were two town prs and I shot both. Claiming to shoot a town pr is not scum play imo.

[Noraa]

I wanted content from

other

players. Not Noraa and FL trading potshots with each other. I don't feel any closer to understanding the playing field which has been my goal since I started this phase. I'm reposting these because I'm just going to ignore what's going on and would still like to see it answered

The biggest ?'s I have towards my pile is a bit vain. It's strange to find myself in a position where I feel a decent amount of ire (towards myself) from those I suspect.

Nopoint - I cannot follow half of the things you're doing. We had a spat and then you sorta fucked off afterwards. I wrote it off because I can't make you engage me but thus far a lot of your presence feels inapplicable. You speak with such in such a self-assured way yet results speak otherwise. My concern from a fleeting D1 thought is that this feels fabricated, and I don't want to see you lean on self-meta because that will always be a crapshoot. I actually don't even know why you started to townread me honestly if I think about it

Andres - I like your analyzing but it's becoming just busywork in my eyes. We've traded paragraphs yet your hesitance to vote is the most striking. Where do your commitments lie and how long does it take to get there? I am the most willing to be wrong on you as I feel your approach is quite similar to mine, only that I know when I'm scum a lot of my angle is just producing wordy semantics as a means to be townread for effort lol

are you normally this fence sitty as town? Last I checked, no. But this game is dead except for one annoying jester so ig the circumstances are quite different.

[Noraa]

Theres too many prs.

[Noraa]

I don't buy it.

[Noraa]

Why would Johnny want u to claim first if he was just a neighborizer?

[Noraa]

Theres way too many enablers.

[Noraa]

By the way did someone call for massclaim or what? Why are so many claims out

cuz people are stupid as hell.

[Noraa]

lol

O_o
o_O
O_O

[Noraa]

Aaaaand I'm a complex neighborizer. I can neighborize every night, but if they're vanilla (town or goon) i fail. Nopo didn't know the complex part which is why I wanted him to claim first

I have a really hard time believing my SR on you is wrong. It seems nearly impossible to me.

[Noraa]

I still believe johnny is scum. The role doesn't seem faked to me tho so that would clear nopo.

[Noraa]

Johnny talk to me.

[Noraa]

I think ur scum. Talk to me.

[Noraa]

I mean it's done now. You can call me dumb when the games' over if you want

I don't care about the claim. The role could easily be scum or a fake claim.

Talk to me about something else. Anything. What is your read on me? What do you make of my SR on you?

[Noraa]

Hi Noraa. I think you might be scum too? What's the chance all of these enablers have actual town counterparts?

I dunno. I've only seen an enabler once which was the game u were in.

[Noraa]

Bbl date night

Alright. Have fun!

[Noraa]

Kind of don't think noraa is scum anymore though.

when did this happen?

[Noraa]

Date night over? Talk to me!

[Noraa]

Lol I guess I shouldn't have claimed since plus is just gonna merc me regardless



Given I know my own alignment and trust nopo my suspect list just never includes nopo or Dunn here. The vig enabler claim matches up with the vig, so I don't really want that gone today either. No fuzzy, NM, and prolly not Andre either.

This leaves my vote potentially on unwnd, gera, noraa or insaneo

you've been avoiding me like the plague. idc if ur scum. talk to me mon
I came here to do that >:((((

[Noraa]

actually who is jacko? Is that Flavor leaf?

oh fuck me. jacko is jacko the amazingest and they aren't in this game. wrong game.

ok, i am really confused now
has someone claimed Vig or not?? or is noraa just making things up

plus claimed vig.
I said jacko claimed vig. Thats a different game. I got them mixed up.

[Noraa]

im fine fading Noraa.

They aren't a PR claim anyways, im fine letting all that work itself out. We haven't faded anyone this game.

I haven't claimed yet. Are you fishing for prs?

I have an inno on Johnny (not a cop inno but I'm not willing to say what it is unless Johnny is ok with it). If you lynch me, you'd better not lynch Johnny tomorrow.

so
Dunn = COp (now usless)
Not mafia = innocent from Dunn
Flavour = Vig enabler
NoPOint - some sort of investigative role
Johnny = innocent from NoPoint

UNVOTE:

excuse me trying to keep on top of things in thread

What did nopo claim again?

Hey guys. My living situation is uncertain (Our lease is up) and I need some time to figure out the next course of action in my life. So I'd like to take a V/LA as Mafia will just be an added stress to me. Thanks.

Ah I hope everything works out for u.

[Noraa]

Johnny u always asked me for ur scum tells. I'll give them to you. These are the things that stuck out to me from the tiny bit of this game that I've read otherwise known as your iso.

First red flag: Wall post on page 1. You're not a blabbermouth type playstyle so seeing that alone is very strange and + scum points

Second red flag: One of your town tells that maybe you haven't realized yet is that you love making posts like: "Hey I'm online. Anyone want to talk?" I think about it as ur bored as town and don't know what to talk about so u kinda need to bounce off of others. You didn't have a single post like that here which is BIG BIG BIG red flag.

Third red flag: You never addressed me calling you scum and I did it multiple times. Ur dodgy bc ur afraid I catch you considering I've played a shit ton of games with you. Confidence is key and even fake confidence is better than none.

Last red flag: You're not really snarky(dunno if this is a good word to use. its hard to describe the vibe) as town. Like I think town!Johnny is fluffy as clouds with not a care in mind. But here you kinda give me those "aaaaaaaaaa what do I do? lets have loads of sarcasm in every post and hope people like me!"

Ok so Johnny is avoiding me and not answering my questions or taking my attempts to engage.
The town is a pile of garbage.
Im going to lead us to a scum elimination today ASAP

VOTE: Johnny

I didn't wanna see u die as soon as I repped in after I figured out ur alignment but if this town is a pile of garbage, what's gotta be done, has gotta be done.

[Noraa]

Johnny!!!! talk to me about candy!

[Noraa]

We can talk about gummies or lollipops or sweet tarts :O

sour gummies are the best!

[Noraa]

What did nopo claim again?

watcher enabler

wait then wtf does he mean by he can semi clear mon?

[Noraa]

The town is a pile of garbage.

noraa I wanna TR you but you're making it hard

I am aware I'm making it hard but any town that managed to no lim day one definitely is not very impressive.

[Noraa]

I think that's just a guess. It's possible. I still don't think Shelly is immune from making a Titus kill, though. They were pushing her hard.

You realize that shelly is known for having an incredible scum game right?
Her scum game is not anywhere less of worthy of Don Corleone from what I've seen.

If scum!shelly gets caught so easily, why do people know her for her scum games?

[Noraa]

I'm not much of a gummie guy, might just be old

why do you reply to my useless questions but not the useful?

[Noraa]

Ok fine Johnny ignore my serious questions. just talk to me. IDC. ACKNOWLEDGE MY EXISTENCE (((((((((((((
*throws a slipper at Johnny*
will u catch it or dodge?

[Noraa]

What do you wanna know Noraa? I'm getting shot and I'm salty about it

don't be salty! its the fate of every scum to die unfortunately.

[Noraa]

Blahhhh

O_o