Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

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Oh man. Dan being town removes a lot of paranoia but also a lot of meming. Happy and sad.

@mod: Vla for a few days? Bombing in Nashville has limited my internet access.

got it. -D

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VOTE: Zito

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Dan being town removes a lot of paranoia but also a lot of meming

I can pretend for u

You better not be scum without me.

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5 pages already? You people are nuts.

VOTE: dannflor

Pretty confident in this vote.

Leave my mason buddy alone.

VOTE: LM

*new meme*

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Yes!

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@mod: internet is back up, v/la over

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VOTE: NPOM

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I think most of the time "slips" aren't actually slips for either alignment (outside of the newbie queue).

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Is that all you have too say pp?

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Because nothing else of note that I can interpret at this point has happened

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if indeed the slot turns out to be limbaity

Maybe I misread in my catch up, but wasn't ben's defense that LM

was

limbaity based on meta? If that's the case, using prior knowledge, wouldn't ben have a reason to do what he did as scum?

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Lunar Martian is also leaning town, not for being limbaity but for other reasons I'll expand on if people need them.

yes pls scumbudy.

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VOTE: penguin power

He'd a mod right? So he gets some sort of free pass?

No, they just give me a green name to inform everyone of my alignment. I'm basically Dann's IC mason brother.

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yes
VOTE: NPOM
let's roll
with my limited knowledge this seems like a better wager than Elements for the time being

Why's that?

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I'd like to hear more from 2ndchosen1, Hayker, and HeWhoSwims.

Hayker, Alchemist, or Penguin.

To reference later.

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sorry mod, i gave you a chance

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Always good to read the rules:

Activity - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you.

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It's standard in the newbie queue with the reduced deadlines.

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You aren't wrong! Would you like to read a haiku I wrote about Kazyan voting at 6 votes?

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Wicked wintertime
Seventh, scummy vote yeets
elimination

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Sorry - i meant to have A on the second line. Rephrase:

Wicked wintertime
A seventh, scummy vote yeets
elimination

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No, they just give me a green name to inform everyone of my alignment. I'm basically Dann's IC mason brother.

this is true

Just wanted to make sure this didn’t get lost mason buddy.

if indeed the slot turns out to be limbaity

Maybe I misread in my catch up, but wasn't ben's defense that LM

was

limbaity based on meta? If that's the case, using prior knowledge, wouldn't ben have a reason to do what he did as scum?

Lunar Martian is also leaning town, not for being limbaity but for other reasons I'll expand on if people need them.

yes pls scumbudy.

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I hear that Day 1 interaction analysis isn't good.

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why?

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i actually don't like the last paragraph, especially the "assuming I don't get eliminated" bit given wagon positioning, and I think you're giving too much credit to the post. If they're truly interested in feedback, that's a post game convo.

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I have a rule of thumb that if it's not in the Newbie queue, I don't treat it as a new account.

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Oh, you definitely aren't a Hectic alt.

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Meant to quote your post, sorry. My post is not opportunistic:).

Neither is me not pushing him, but let's throw out some more buzzwords because buzzwords are kool.

Like - literally most new players go through the newbie queue and i'm not going to ignore that so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Your prerogative - as stated, that's not what I assume.

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I hear that Day 1 interaction analysis isn't good.

In case this was missed.

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In case this was missed.

My statement is in deference to what Ben said after I did IA the first time:

The reason that interaction analysis is bad before we have any mod confirmed evidence (hardclaims, flips, innocent townies, etc.) is because you are very likely to encounter bias if you find a interaction that makes the most sense to you. This is bad since without one guaranteed or near guaranteed alignment, anything can really happen, and since interaction analysis is very powerful people can get sucked into the bias really easily and will never take a second look. Right now it is best to just make some good fabricated reads alone rather than in pairs or triplets of people.

This is the entire basis of me saying that Day 1 IA is bad.

Ah, yes. Preflip associatives are usually bad. I didn’t understand that’s what you were saying.

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<3

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didn't tell me much about Penguin specifically

It gave you evidence that I like responding with gifs.

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Penguin, are you town?

ty for the explanation

I could never be scum w/o you, Dann. You know that.

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how wrong would it be to TR ben for that thing that just happened

Pretty wrong.

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Town read

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Why am I scum?

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Lol. I’m scum because I’m trying to buddy you dann.

Ever heard of an inside joke?

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I solve the game my own way and you can get used to that or not. I pretty much won’t do anything much on Day 1 except generate info in the vote count for later reference. That’s just how I roll. I don’t like day 1 because there’s no hard info.

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Good for you. Not going to change how I play.

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Oof

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You should read some of those 18k posts in my town games.

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I'm saying that I don't have any good reads and would vote for most players right now except for zito and dann. I don't really care what people have to say Day 1 during day 1 because it's easy to just say whatever you need to appear townie. Looking back at it later can be helpful, but the votecount is moreso. You'll note that almost all my voting has been done to create/increase wagons or counterwagons just to see how things rise and fall.

We still haven't had a proper wagon today which is somewhat disconcerting.

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You have a different philosophy in scum games?

I'll leave that for you to decide. I'm not sure why you think what I say will be true when you're voting me.

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VOTE: Alchemist

Thanks for enjoying my haiku.

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Dann is not a read.

Uh....ok. Your point?

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Let's try this: why wouldn't you vote Papa Zito?

Because he's a purple name and I don't want to yeet him d1.

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If your votes are essentially random or just to create wagons or counters, then looking back at your voting patterns really won't be helpful in analyzing you on subsequent days. You really don't have any thoughts or guesses? It doesn't have to be right but I'd like to see your thought process at least. That matters.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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If that's what you want to interpret from that then sure.

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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We still haven't had a proper wagon today which is somewhat disconcerting.

I’d say we’ve had a few.

Have we had even one go past 4 votes?

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You should probably count again.

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It’s not a real wagon if you don’t get to e-2/1

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Pretty sure I said more than 4

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9 seconds Datisi. Good job.

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Oh. Your definition of wagon might be a bit too strict.

I disagree. There’s no real threat below that threshold.

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I mean - you have to look at both.

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I think we have differing opinions on what constitutes active.

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What?

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</3

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Read on gamma.

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Cool. Thanks. It wasn’t in a vc and I was vla then so I didn’t see it.

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About where did that happen?

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I love how the site admins are trying to use the fact that they are site admins as a shield (especially Penguin), but neither of them is actually doing much to help solve the game.

How am I using my status as a listmod as a shield?

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I'm actually mad because when I logged in and started reading I didn't have a prod PM, now I have a prod PM.

Next time just post "I'm reading" before you start reading.

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He's shading and voting me.

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For you, mod.

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You have bad reading skills.

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The second part of my statement. The one that occurs after the word “and.”

To clarify, the word “and” does not mean “because of.”

Next question?

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Gamma still hasn’t shown me the 5 vote wagon on zito, so do you want to?

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Because that was the only assertion that my claim on wagons was false....which I also provided rationale as to why I missed.

You seem uniquely tunneled.

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Dann, you really think this is town?

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I mean it proves my point and throws a bit of mud in LM’s face so.....yes.

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Lucky for you so are my posts.

And this page! So, you can easily understand what I was referencing there.

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I have literally done nothing to use my status as a Listmod on this site to affect this game and I’m getting a little pissed.

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Absent a joke to npom which to be fair npom probably did not understand was a joke given....npom.

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I’m explicitly not. Maybe read gamma.

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Sorry if I’m not telling you my reason, but I’ve been explicit since it’s been raised since apparently no one in this game can get a joke.

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Not quite correct. You and Alchemist are leading at this point with three votes. Agar and I are tied at two votes.

I do agree we need to consolidate wagons given the deadline.

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VOTE: hayker

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We’re at e-2

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I'd like to hear Penguin's and Element's reasoning or if it's just sheeping Agar?

Sheeping Dann, not Agar + what Dann said about Hayker town reading me is right...I haven’t done anything for him to and he hasn’t explained it.

Agree with Dann though. We don’t elim the doc claim D1 even if it’s suspect.

VOTE: alchemist

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VOTE: Alchemist
e-1

You are very bad at counting.

Now it’s E-1.

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I’m just disappointed no one picked up on my crumb.

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Wait, I just got it. Bard. Jack of all trades. Ok.