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Perhaps inexperienced scumIn post 22, bugspray wrote:lotus do you think scum are more likely to have more awkward itneractionsw ith eithother compared to lother slots in the fiest fiew pages ebfore they hight he corrext vube?-
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I don't think it's anything out of the ordinary. Maybe it's kinda strange that Gretchen switched their vote already from Alice to gerain, I guess she was satisfied with Alice's answer to her question.
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Looking more into it they are indeed doppelgangersIn post 31, Entrapta wrote:Gretchen is an April doppelganger-
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That would be AprilIn post 80, clidd wrote:No, you are not him. False alarm.-
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Her questioning of bugspray was slightly towny, I think over time Mini becomes a pretty easy readIn post 263, Entrapta wrote:Alright I'll give you three town, I think April + clidd + you are all town
Tell me more about the Mini read, I was very slightly pinged by the wording of this post:
but not enough to call it an actual scumleanIn post 92, MiniMegabyte wrote:
I could be like them ready to hunt out all the monsters of this gameIn post 67, Entrapta wrote:are you worried that the evil-spirit hunting Winchester brothers are going to hunt you down as a doppelganger?
So I guess you don’t scum read the people that you were voting and moreso putting pressure?-
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Why did you vote da dude while talking to April? Did you think entrapta was scummy?In post 301, Gretchen wrote:what's scummy lmao-
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He said his main in this game if you wanted to knowIn post 304, April Ludgate wrote:if entrapta is who i think they are, that might be a scum indicative replacement, ive seen essentially the exact same way when they were scum before, ill find the game eventually. ive seen them do it as town, though, to a lesser extent, but it's also slightly different when they do it as town.
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You're doing virtually the same thing thoIn post 354, Amélie wrote:In post 272, April Ludgate wrote:
Clidd-Entrapta-Gretchen have 2 scum in them, maybe im wrong with that, but never is there zero, i would say.
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My impression of the entrapta/Da Dude wagon is that it seems more likely that there are scum piling onto there prematurely, than it being a scum wagon with lots of townies on it. Town tend to be more deliberating than to impulsively jump onto a wagon like that. And, with who I perceive to be a strong/widely townread towny (April) starting the momentum and even saying he'd be ok if the wagon went over, I think scum would be comfortable with piling onto a towny at this point.
Especially ydra who put it at e-1 after April expressed that he was ok with the elim going through. I mean people like DFG, gretchen, and geraintm don't look good from their vote either. Basically I think there is scum on that wagon.
I really can't see entrapta/Da Dude's alignment from their actions or tone or whatever. With the way I see how the wagon is happening, his spot in the game does seem towny.-
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Why would he claim PR on like page 10 with like 3 votesIn post 393, April Ludgate wrote:honestly, im down to flip dadude, i think entrapta would have claimed PR if they were PR there, and i think it's an overall high info flip-
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It was in response to that April quoteIn post 397, Gretchen wrote:
where'd this happen? i don't see a PR claimIn post 394, RLotus wrote:
Why would he claim PR on like page 10 with like 3 votesIn post 393, April Ludgate wrote:honestly, im down to flip dadude, i think entrapta would have claimed PR if they were PR there, and i think it's an overall high info flip-
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You mean after they saw you go for grethcen?In post 402, April Ludgate wrote:nah, their flip on me after they saw me going after entrapta is scummy-
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They flipped when you moved your vote from entrapta to gretchen and I presume that is why they think you are partnered with da dudeIn post 405, April Ludgate wrote:In post 404, RLotus wrote:
You mean after they saw you go for grethcen?In post 402, April Ludgate wrote:nah, their flip on me after they saw me going after entrapta is scummy
no, they flipped when i unvoted gretchen onto entrapta in their catchup-
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In post 352, Amélie wrote:
Nothing too important in the next page but I don't like this at all.In post 247, April Ludgate wrote:then good
VOTE: Gretchen
But you should definitely know of my ability to break down walls
I am now pretty certain the scum team is April Ludgate, Entrapta, and Clidd.
I thought you were towny for your poking and prodding but now I think it was all just for show. I hate the vote switch there and I think Flavorleaf is scum again.
Town: bugspray, Gretchen
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No, I did just say I think he's likely town based on his spot in the gameIn post 411, geraintm wrote:@ rlotus post 392 - i can't work out if you think there is merit in eliminating da dude to get info on the people on the wagon? April seem's to think so.-
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In post 448, bugspray wrote:Clidd's noncomittal reads are causing alarm bells to loudly blare in my head.
I agree with the premise that not committing to reads is something scum tend to do to absolve themselves when that read flips town or what have you. But, I don't know if I would expect to be hard committing to reads or having too many in depth thoughts this early in the game. At least personally, I can't see a whole lot of AI actions that people have taken, so I don't agree that this is necessarily damning to clidd at this moment.In post 448, bugspray wrote:In addition most of the reads do not have as much depth as would first appear. The reads on me/rllotus/gerain compares us to how we played in a recent game with clidd where lotus+I were scumbuddies and he groups us again here. Clidd is a very intelligent and analytical player and I would expect town!clidd would separate us and give a more in depth read.
In fact, I tend to find it scummy when people have too confident reads this early. (Da Dude's wagon)
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It's reasonable that scum would bus their partner in this situation, thinking no way this is going over this early so I'll get the credit for later on.
However Grethchen, DFG, and April have all doubled down on wanting to push the wagon over. Ydra put the vote at e-1 seemingly with full intent to elim. AliceK maybe, but the impression I get is they indeed scum read Da Dude based on her reaction to Mini town reading him. I kind of doubt there is a partner on the wagon if Da Dude flips scum.
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I wasn't asking someone else to read you, I was expressing that I don't know if it's necessarily scummy for you to do that.In post 511, Amélie wrote:In post 391, RLotus wrote:
Amelie's certainty about a scumteam is a little bit concerning. I'd have to know whether this is typical for her to really know if it's scummy tho. April has this sure of himself attitude that it does seem natural that he would be trying to put together teams off rip.
Most of the people in this game haven't even played one game with me. Why are you asking other people to read me?
RLotus is definitely a scum read after this post. In my last game with RLotus, I was elimmed the day I replaced in for being too confident.
If I recall correctly you had confidence on one read not trying to solve the whole game like now and I don't see one day phase of one game good enough to understand how you play.
Read the april quote. April says entrapta would have claimed PR there and I said asked why would he do that. Because it's absurd.In post 511, Amélie wrote:In post 394, RLotus wrote:
In post 393, April Ludgate wrote:
honestly, im down to flip dadude, i think entrapta would have claimed PR if they were PR there, and i think it's an overall high info flip
Why would he claim PR on like page 10 with like 3 votes
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When I look at the context that entrapta got frustrated, I don't know if it necessarily feels like scum going down and getting frustrated, but rather getting annoyed with the "hostility" towards them. Bugspray and especially April were badgering them and I can see how it became unfun. I've been in similar situations and trying to defend yourself when there's nothing to defend can be unfun and stressfui. Idk I guess I empathize.
Did Entrapta just realize that April is an influential player and saw the writing on the wall? Entrapta only accumulated 3 votes while they were
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How does it make sense?In post 588, Klick wrote:So I like clidd's reads generally and even if he's scum I'm kinda fine with him living longer
VOTE: April Ludgate
Can't help but feel like too much makes sense if this is scum-
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How come you jumped off of Hyposoc so quickly when you still scumread him?In post 671, clidd wrote:{bugspray}
{geraintm} {Klick} {April Ludgate}
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So the vote was a reaction test or the unvote was a reaction test?In post 674, clidd wrote:pedit: I wanted to see someone's reaction to that.-
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Can you answer itIn post 681, clidd wrote:
This second question was an unnecessary extension.In post 679, RLotus wrote: So the vote was a reaction test or the unvote was a reaction test?-
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Well since you won't I'll just explain my thought process. I can't understand what you stand to gain in making a reaction test and then immediately back off from it. Unless you were trying to see what April would say? I know I didn't know that April would respond in particular.In post 688, RLotus wrote:
Can you answer itIn post 681, clidd wrote:
This second question was an unnecessary extension.In post 679, RLotus wrote: So the vote was a reaction test or the unvote was a reaction test?
Also, clidd, why are you being guarded this game?
After pondering what this means for your alignment, I'm beginning to think this answer to no one and compromise for no one attitude you've got going on probably comes from a town conviction. Maybe he can do this "I don't care what you think of my alignment" act as scum, but I'm leaning town for now.-
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At first I got scum feeling from HypoSoc in the way he was trusting in April's claim, because I thought it was clear that it wasn't a serious claim. It was as if he is scum that knows April is town. Then, several other people seemed to be taking April's claim seriously, so maybe not out of the ordinary after all? He is now doubling down on believing the claim, so maybe it is just scum.-
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This was pretty much entrapta's reaction to April, yet you thought it was scummy of them. If you had to same reaction how come you were so sure in entrapta being scum?In post 803, Gretchen wrote:but yeah, just so you know April, if you wanna know what killed my motivation and enthusiasm for this game, it was you saying that right at the start-
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How is that scummy?In post 792, geraintm wrote:In post 791, RLotus wrote:
VOTE: gretchen
this feels like someone dropping from a wagon that wasnt going anywhere to one that was gettign traction. don't like this-
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Hm ok I see it is different. I guess I expected you to side more with entrapta since you know if you are town that April is shit pushing you.In post 805, Gretchen wrote:entrapta was being sussed for normal things? and repped out after using it as an excuse was why i dislike that
this 'trying to hard to be fun' shit and thinking me wanting to have fun in a mafia game is tied to my alignment really riles me upIn post 129, April Ludgate wrote:Gretchen is coming across to me like they're trying too hard to be fun, not that I think they have a hard time doing that, but I feel like that's specifically the play with them here because I do see agenda within it, even this early, which I normally wait it out-
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Well the one game I've played with him and he was town, he did pretty much this.In post 869, Klick wrote:The one time I played with him before this he was bleeding town. He didn't really care how he was getting read and just said what was on his mind. His other town games I've read looked a lot like this as well. Atm he feels a bit... reserved, compared to what I've seen from him before on D1 as town? I feel like he's trying not to step on any mines, whereas when I've seen him before as town I didn't have that impression.-
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Do you still think dannflor is scum?In post 884, AliceK wrote:I believe mmb have higher chance to flip scum than dannflor. Jump on April looked forced.
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gretchen and klick are pretty much always the same alignment sooIn post 973, geraintm wrote:In post 903, Solon wrote:
I be a TPR! Get off my wagon or be off with thy heads!
really, another day 1 claim. i think i believe about one third of these are true
I don't really see a reason not to believe klick or grethcen. Would klick really run a gambit like that to save his partner? Klick certaintly wouldn't do that as scum to save a town pr. Maybe gretchen happened to fake claim a pr that supposedly synergizes with Klick? Seems doubtful.
Mini's slot claimed in a really weird spot. Doesn't seem natural that they would feel the pressure to claim there. It is also a pretty safe fakeclaim given there are 2 other prs that can die in the night.-
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Wasn't subtle whatsoever.In post 1023, Solon wrote:
I'm scumreding this as wellIn post 985, RLotus wrote:
gretchen and klick are pretty much always the same alignment sooIn post 973, geraintm wrote:In post 903, Solon wrote:
I be a TPR! Get off my wagon or be off with thy heads!
really, another day 1 claim. i think i believe about one third of these are true
I don't really see a reason not to believe klick or grethcen. Would klick really run a gambit like that to save his partner? Klick certaintly wouldn't do that as scum to save a town pr. Maybe gretchen happened to fake claim a pr that supposedly synergizes with Klick? Seems doubtful.
Mini's slot claimed in a really weird spot. Doesn't seem natural that they would feel the pressure to claim there. It is also a pretty safe fakeclaim given there are 2 other prs that can die in the night.
Btw I didn't even know about the other claims when I made mine. This subtle discrediting shit aint gonna fly-
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Fair enough, I'm not near confident enough to call you scum, but if one of the claims is fake it is probably yours.In post 1033, Solon wrote:You're making out that it could be scummy without directly calling it scummy - I'd say that was an attempt at being subtle.
I didn't say it was agoodattempt.
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Yeah you explained it kind of before. My point really is how can you scum read someone criticizing your claim when you claimed in such a sudden and out of place way?In post 1035, Solon wrote:I think I've already answered that.
I wasn't willing to let it get to a stage where I'm a compromise elim based on the actions of my predecessor, which is outside of my control. A late claim might not have been believed as this is a closed setup, therefore the best weapon in my arsenal as a Townie was transparency. I play mostly by instinct, and my instinct at that moment told me to claim as I did.
I'd much rather eat a NK than the elim so I'm not too worried.
Also, I disagree using your instinct when you haven't read the game yet, but what is done is done.-
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Disagree totally. It is natural in my opinion to question a claim like that. Especially when there are two claims already, town needs to really start evaluating them. You didn't know about the other claims at the time, but yeah. Sure I suppose there can be scum questioning your claim, but personally I'm not reading much into that.In post 1036, Solon wrote:I also thought (and still think) that claiming in the way I did would bring about some interesting reactions, and I believe with some certainty that scum are amongst the few that have tried to quietly discredit my claim.-
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Promising information does not absolve you from being a fake claim, no.In post 1040, Solon wrote:
I am the only claimer that has promised hard info Tomorrow, and yet someone said I was the most likely to be lying?In post 1038, RLotus wrote:
Disagree totally. It is natural in my opinion to question a claim like that. Especially when there are two claims already, town needs to really start evaluating them. You didn't know about the other claims at the time, but yeah. Sure I suppose there can be scum questioning your claim, but personally I'm not reading much into that.In post 1036, Solon wrote:I also thought (and still think) that claiming in the way I did would bring about some interesting reactions, and I believe with some certainty that scum are amongst the few that have tried to quietly discredit my claim.
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Considering gretchen and klick linked themselves together if they are scum and the spot in which you claimed, I do think there is logic to you being the most likely liar.In post 1043, Solon wrote:I didn't say I was absolved.
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What gives you this confidence?
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Idk what they are, but I'm asking what gives you confidence the DGB is scum?In post 1121, Dannflor wrote:why is it town?-
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