Mini Normal 2196 - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

DrippingGoofball

has been

eliminated

day 2

Spoiler: Flip

Town Night 1 Psychologist

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Night 2

will end in

(expired on 2021-03-31 22:59:00)

[Not_Mafia]

Gretchen

has been

killed

night 2

Spoiler: Flip

Novice Detective

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[Not_Mafia]

VC 3.00

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (0)-

Flea The Magician (0)-

geraintm (0)-

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (9)-

PookyTheMagicalBear, Amélie, Flea The Magician, geraintm, VFP, RLotus, clidd, LlamaFluff, Almost50

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

[Flea The Magician]

Well nuts. Thats me screwed.

That said, our investigatives should have some info.

[Almost50]

First and foremost, I apologize for flaking after having replaced-in. As embarrassing as it is, I actually did post once but forgot to SUBSCRIBE THE THREAD. I thus didn't see it being updated on my list of subscribed topics and I totally forgot I was in this game.

[Almost50]

The bad news is I didn't even catch up (I probably would have during the night phase if I had noticed I had a thread with unread posts in it)

[clidd]

Flea is probably town who was tunneled on town and hardpushing it (not the first time I see happening).

But this is likely scum by play:

VOTE: Almost50

Unless there is a mechanical reason that says otherwise.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

Alright, does anyone have any thoughts on DGB?

We have 2 days left.

I am the easiest person to yeet after all.

The more someone says this, the more likely they are to be eliminated but Goofball has said things similar to this in nearly every one of their posts.

Post 1328, Amelie.From "He feels like" to "townread me."

That's the town tell. I still can't figure out how to select text on mobile.

Unless people believe the scum team is Amelie/Goofball, why would Goofball ever townread the largest opposing wagon here as scum?

DGB, who is scum in your view?

Probably my town reads.

If Goofball was scum, their way out of this situation is town reads and getting help from them. Why would goofball shade all of them like this?

the easier it will be to say whether you are town or scum.

The townier I sound, the more people suspect me for sounding too townie.

I understand what Goofball means but saying things like this really doesn't convince people. It is what you think is obvious but others never see. This is desperate town trying to get someone to

understand

Is this true? I kind of feel like you should have been wagoned a lot harder based on your reaction to my "guilty" and yet

That's not my problem. I'm already self voting to make my yeet easier. I'm doing my part.

They believe advocating for their elim is the correct thing to do. Sometimes the things people think are so wrong that they are simply town.

I would imagine scum might be playing it safe towards your slot and not outright pushing it

Who the hell even knows? Scum would certainly get away with yeeting a self-destructing player slot, no one would even say a thing about it the next day. Whoever hammers me is probably going to be hailed as a hero.

Goofball is upset here but notice how they aren't AtE'ing. They aren't. If Goofball were to AtE, they would start saying things like "I have tried so hard in this game and my last game I died instantly"
Btu what does goofball say?
Goofball says "Come hammer me"

I was yeeted for being too good to be true in one game and for having strong scum reads (wrong as they may have been) in another, and then I get town read for doing fuck all beyond sucking all the joy out of the game.

Although this does get to meta and how they did in a past game, they haven't directly said they have tried hard in this game which I believe is definitely a point that would be brought up if they were intentionally AtEing

So.. Kind of waiting to see what the others (who didn't talk yet) think about dgb.

It shouldn't be complicated, if I were scum I'd vote you, I'd have 2 votes and you'd have 4.

But the way things are lately it'll probably be viewed as a galaxy brain scum plot.

It's this logic again. It makes sense but at the same times there's holes in their logic but you can tell. They believe it.

I just can't get townread no matter what I do.

But I accept i need to be yeeted because for some reason the scum NK'd the player i found most suspicious and no one thinks it's a good idea to figure out which players are happiest with the gamestate (hint, it's not me)

This is genuine frustration I guarantee. I can feel it one screen away.

The only reason I didn't find his play towny is because I was scammed before by scum with the cheap talk of

"I'm bad, just vote me, look I'm selfvoting, I don't want to share any reads bc my reads are bad and won't help"

and etc.

I find this so scummy, clidd must be town.

I'm going to stop here for now. I may finish off these remaining quotes later but my point has already been brought across. Goofball's posts are genuine frustration and they haven't cared about their own survival for a very long time. This is not scum. Reevaluate this slot any townies that are scum reading.

Normally I'd vote clidd because his scumbutt ticked me off but I need be gone for BS mechanical reasons.

It's actually your reaction to Dann having a possible guilty on you.

Sure

If I had not revealed it I'd be run up too, thanks to you.

I have to be eliminated. We can leave a player alive that was tracked to the NK. So yeah it's on me and I am the right play and I don't know why it's taking so long.

I'm not sure why DGB won't answer my question about amelie though. It does make me think that DGB could straight up be scum protecting scum buddie amelie.

I did answer, I was on mobile and awkwardly quoted.

I'm the yeet for today, you'll see soon enough that I'm not "protecting my buddy Amelie."

Shut down and do nothing and get town read for it, so absurd

It's a refreshing change from being yeeted because my efforts are too townie to be town.

Anyway Lotus

You sound like frustrated scum.

I thought I did but didn't.

I wish I'd been NK'd, of course I wasn't because I'm yeetbait.

This is going to be yet another stupid annoying day for me and I just want to see Flea's arrogance about knowing how my mind works deflate spectacularly.

This vote is protown and in furtherance of my wincon.

VOTE: DGB

Just kill me now.

My investigating Biped was the mistake that will cost the town the game and it's on me.

Goofball has done a couple things this game.
They have OMGUS'ed an insane amount.
They have voted nearly everyone.
They have made it their job to make every single person their enemy.
They have tried to drill it into everyone's mind that they are the elim.
They have been legitimately upset.
They have used all sorts of wacky logic and truly believed in them.

There is nothing in this world that screams town more than a player who does not care a single bit about getting eliminated in a game as dead as this one where scum can easily control the game state.

Btw, This is the post that made me reconsider my view on Amélie ^

I believe it would be very evident if it was TMI from scum!Amélie in relation to her read on Dgb.

Not seeing her as strong tr, of course, but as a townlean. I can still change my mind if I feel like she's scumposting.

[clidd]

It's not that hard for scum!Solon to invent a report on a town player (or partner), although it makes more sense to me that he might be trying to use the context of having ''cleared'' Lotus to gain his trust.

I just think he's scummy overall (the slot), both predecessor and successor.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whats solons claim?

[clidd]

I got a green light on Lotus

Very likely green light anyway

I don’t feel the need to reveal the specifics at this point, you’ll see when I flip

He did not specify.

[clidd]

Town Even Night Gunsmith
Night 1 Psychologist
Novice Detective

I don't know much about balancing, but for Solon to be a Tpr who has a type of report that "investigates" people in some way, it's strange combined with the roles that were already shown ^

Feel like town would have more power than needed in nightplay.

[clidd]

Which makes me think that he fakeclaimed.

[clidd]

This is mechanically speaking, but things don't change much in the social aspect considering that, by play, all three (Mini, Solon, Almost50) were poor in gamesolving.

Almost50, specifically, was the worst since after entering he made no attempt to engage with the game (while active in other games), just as no mention of his own role or result after the day started. It does not seem to me to be a behavior compatible with a tpr, even if apathy is particular to his profile. Town!50 would at least try to give the game a quick read during the night to have a basis on who he would perform the night action on (assuming he has one).

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

good enough for me.

VOTE: A50

my result last night is that LlamaFluff is a Vanilla Townie

[Almost50]

Flea is probably town who was tunneled on town and hardpushing it (not the first time I see happening).

But this is likely scum by play:

VOTE: Almost50

Unless there is a mechanical reason that says otherwise.

Is it... is it my smell?? I can't help smelling of bananas.

[Almost50]

Almost50, specifically, was the worst since after entering he made no attempt to engage with the game (while active in other games)

Dafuq?! What part of I FORGOT TO SUBSCRIBE TO THREAD did you miss? I am playing in multiple games, and am following a few more (not gonna specify what or why so as not to be borderline breaking the rules), so I have a total of 14 active threads and 16 inactive/dead on my subscriptions currently. I sure as hell wouldn't notice if one went inactive for a couple of days, and even more so if one -that I had just joined- was missing altogether. I only remembered it as N_M prodded me during the night phase.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u going to claim ur role and result?

[Almost50]

Did you want me to? I didn't see a request..

But anyway, I am an ODD-NIGHT GS. The complimentary part of the Even-Night GS, and I targeted RLotus on N1 and he came back NOT having a Gun

[Almost50]

Of course I didn't do any of the above. It was my predecessor.

[RLotus]

Now Pooky's turn

[RLotus]

Now Pooky's turn

Also can you explain why you targeted Llama please

[clidd]

Is it possible to exist 5 tpr in a 13p game?

[clidd]

Now Pooky's turn

Yep, full-claim.

[Almost50]

Is it possible to exist 5 tpr in a 13p game?

Theoretically, it is. One pointer is that scum have shot 2 PRs in 2 nights, so that would be a hint it's either a PR rich setup or scum are really good at spotting PR crumbs. Another pointer is my role (a nerfed complimentary role to another nerfed role). It probably was made to avoid full swinging in balance (multiple weaker/nerfed PRs approach vs fewer stronger ones). Finally, it indicates Scum are also well packed. I sight "Load The Deck" open setup as an example. Town starts with only 2 PRs, but scum can make up to 3 modifications in pre-game and every modification gives the town an additional PR. So 2 TPRs vs 2 Goons & a Traitor, 3 TPRs vs 2 Scums & a Traitor (one of which is a PR), 4 TPRs vs 2 Scums & a Traitor (2 of which are PRs), or 5 TPRs vs 2 Scums & a Traitor; ALL of which are PRs. Of course, the existence of a Traitor is in itself a nerf to the scum team, so in a normal 5 TPRs vs 2 Scum PRs and a Goon is pretty much acceptable, depending on the type of PRs on each side.

So far I know of 3 flipped TPRs + myself and we are all nerfed. The Detective in particular is double-nerfed (they can only check for someone who has already killed AND they could not act on N1). The Psychiatrist was 1-shot iirc (that's exactly the opposite of Detective, right?), so we have 2 pairs of complimentary PRs that are rendered to 2 FULL PRs effect (except I'd count it as a 3 PRs in strength since distributing the power prevents scum from getting rid of one pair in a single night).

Of course, you can roll it all and shove it up my arse if the 2 NKs did claim or made obvious crumbs, because it still strikes me as odd that scum managed to kill the PR that worked on N1 on that night, and then the one PR that starts to act on N2 on that night too. I wasn't really here to know whether DGB was pushed by scum or if she acted scummy herself (or maybe both) so I'll wait till I do have an idea about the specifics here.