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No, I'm only viewing Amélie as scum atm.In post 2306, LlamaFluff wrote:@Clidd - Wouldnt those things about Ame to you suggest that means she is scum with Flea (unless you think she called no buddies scum, you/Flea are both there) and a PR claim?
After confirming the flip, I can try to trace associatives from reading her ISO (with the knowledge that she's scum). But before that, I am not 100% sure on this read, so my judgment of partners will probably not be accurate.
Regarding PRs, I feel that there is a scum among PRs but this is not connected to my read on Amélie.-
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@Llama
This is a towngame from her:
viewtopic.php?t=85710&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
It looks different to me, although she used the readlist model there as well.
Idk, I'm just not being able to place her slot on the same level as the others.-
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I find it hard to consider that town!you really believe such thing.In post 2346, Amélie wrote:
If you were town reading me, I would vote VFP. One of you two is scum and since that's the case, I would vote whichever keeps pushing me. Since both are pushing, I believe you to be scummier so I am voting you.In post 2320, clidd wrote:You're basically throwing shade in several directions but voting for me because I'm pushing you. If I reconsidered, you would change your stance and I don't think that mirroring is something that town!you would do.
This is an oversimplification of a premise that can easily be wrong but which you consider to be true by "??" reasons.-
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It's more plausible to me that you're coming from a scum mentality trying to emulate a town reasoning than a town mentality genuinely trying to find out who is scum, considering how weird is the way you're seeing me/Vfp.
I also think that town!you would engage with me and Vfp individually to have a greater accuracy of read instead of limiting yourself to eliminating anyone who "looks" more scummy between the two of us.-
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Like you said here.In post 1832, Amélie wrote:I strongly disagree that this is scum flail. I do not believe any scum would not care about their elim to this extent and the emotion does not strike me as fake. Although I agree Goofball cannot be in endgame for obvious reasons, I think Goofball is for sure town here. Take a look at their posts when they were at E-1 or E-2. Is that really what scum would post there? I don't think so.
I don't like voting replacements so my vote for now will stay on VOTE: Clidd while I try to sort Flea the Magician. I will vote Flea the Magician if I must.
I can see Clidd thinking I am scum as town but I can't see Clidd thinking Goofball is scumafter Flea's posts because those were not convincing.
You saw me pushing you as towny, but my fos on Dgb scummy. Now, however, you saw my push on you as scummy (?).-
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Actually, there is an alternative explanation: you're the scum outside the radar not being pushed, which is why we're struggling to find scum outside of a scum!Amélie scenario, especially if Gera is town.VFP is not obvtown and one of VFP and Clidd has to be scum. There is no other reason the game state looks like this.-
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Amélie's ISO is full of shade on multiple slots and it's likely that she considered everyone in the game, even her townreads, as scum at some point. This seems to me to be a classic case of "forgetting reads" that occurs most often when the reads in question are false and does not come from a genuine scumhunting perspective, as well as the behavioral incongruity to the identical situations I mentioned above on 2353.-
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I don't think she's saying what she actually believes, but what she thinks that town!she or a townie should be thinking.
Heris an absurd line of reasoning for a town to believe. She always has someone to push, but there is nothing in her reads that justify such a big self-confidence, especially considering that tomorrow is ELO (lylo) with a townflip today."oh, there must be scum between clidd and vfp but I'm not sure who it is, but clidd is pushing me so I'll vote him bc doesn't matter the order because if he's town I can vote Vfp tomorrow, although I said that A50 can be scum if Vfp is town too"-
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Here, for example ^In post 352, Amélie wrote:
Nothing too important in the next page but I don't like this at all.In post 247, April Ludgate wrote:then good
VOTE: Gretchen
But you should definitely know of my ability to break down walls
I am now pretty certain the scum team is April Ludgate, Entrapta, and Clidd.
I thought you were towny for your poking and prodding but now I think it was all just for show. I hate the vote switch there and I think Flavorleaf is scum again.
Town: bugspray, Gretchen
Null: Minimegabyte, AliceK, Ydrasse
Scum: Clidd, Entrapta, April Ludgate
Very spicy for someone to think like that on day 1 without any claim or info.-
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I don't get it.In post 2384, LlamaFluff wrote:I keep going back and forth between clidd and Flea (honestly im pretty sure its both of them) in large part due to end of D1
HypoSoc(7)- clidd,RLotus, Dannflor,Gretchen, Featherless Biped,bugspray, Solon
Green for town. Purple for PR claim or cleared by PR claim.
My list is probably something like most likely scum to least
Clidd/Flea
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[One PR]/Gera
VFP
Ame
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Lotus
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Not saying that everyone on the wagon is town (I'm still not 100% confident in the mechanical aspect), but the elimination would happen with or without scum participation.
Which makes me not understand the reason supporting your argument for ''clidd/flea are probably scum''.
I mean, yes, you can scumread me based on PoE or gut, or whatever your mind thinks about my slot, but the reason you came up with is not AI and if it's the only thing making you see me as scum, you should probably
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Yes, you're right, it's significant, but not to the point of delivering the confidence that you seem to have in this read. It would be better if you stated a more practical and less mathematical motive.
Regarding Ame, I didn't see any evidence of town apathy and I think it's likely that she could be faking part of her "disconnected" behavior from the game.-
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I don't care much if we win or lose this, as long as it's possible to extract some learning from the game and the players to have fun, each in their own way.
I'm not even 70% sure if Amélie is the right one, but I'm following what my reads are saying about her. If it's wrong and I get rekt by scum on elo, so be it.-
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I'm interested in seeing your take on the votes.In post 2393, Flea The Magician wrote:Honestly I have read anything of D1, lets go peek at the votes....
No wallposts, stay objective if possible.-
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If I had a one-shot cop to use, it would probably be on Gera. I know that A50 and Pooky as town or scum would give more info by saying if their reports are fake or not, but personally speaking, I would feel much better if I could know Gera's alignment and ignore (if town) his bad posting and not have to worry about the possibility that I could be giving a free pass to scum. I imagine that his alignment is more likely town than not, but I'm having trouble seeing scum beyond Amélie. With he being 100% town, however, it would remove a major mental block on my solving process.In post 2402, LlamaFluff wrote:@clidd (and I guess everyone) lets try this: What one player would you want to learn the alignment of most right now and why? What do you think that alignment currently is?-
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@everyoneIn post 2402, LlamaFluff wrote:@clidd (and I guess everyone) lets try this: What one player would you want to learn the alignment of most right now and why? What do you think that alignment currently is?
Don't forget to answer this, by the way ^-
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Tactical substitution isn't going to save her slot, but I would like to hear the next player.In post 2410, Not_Mafia wrote:Amelie has requested replacement-
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@Gera
Just for context, I already explained in our last game together why your method is of low precision. You being correct on one scum in that game was a point out of the curve, principally considering your other games, where your wr with this same method remains low, as well as the quality of your reads.
I have consistently shared what I'm thinking here, but you are selectively reading only what is suitable for your scum!clidd theory. I don't think arguing with you is productive if you are not acting in good faith.
And I'm just not pushing you because I think that you're town. Your push reflects me more as a town with problems of confbias, than scum insisting on the same false read several times without development (with the risk of being caught using circulatory reasoning).-
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@Pooky
The Ame wagon is giving me similar vibes to when I was hardpushing Saudade in our last game.
Do you think the occasion in which Ame's departure happened would make more sense for town!Ame getting frustrated or for a tactical departure? (considering that there was no AtE post prior to the replace out)-
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1- It's not considering the context of the gamestate in the period in which the votes took place, nor does it connect the individual motivations of each player to the vca.In post 2434, Flea The Magician wrote:I think you need to revisit what can be considered an insult, and I really don't care if you use my VCA or not, because frankly I know you can't do better.
My turn.
Why do you consider my VCA incomplete exactly?
What information did you hope I'd glean from my efforts?
Why did you feel the need to attempt to insult my efforts?
Why are you so keen to ask questions, yet answer none and give no information?
What do you think of the phrase "put up or shut up"?
Why are you so evasive over my challenge to do one better if you're so confident?
Are you actually lacking confidence in your reads?
Is that because you're scum with an inability to actually find any other way to discredit me?
2- No idea.
3- Because I want to.
4- I don't know what it means.
5- I didn't feel challenged and I'm not being evasive. I just don't care (but yes, I would be able to do better using the same effort you applied).
6- Yes, from time to time.
7- No, I'm skeptical and always try to re-analyze in order not to reach incorrect conclusions.-
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I would prefer an Ame elim before Flea today, personally speaking.In post 2436, VFP wrote:If Flea is red, then today is just obvious distancing attempt from Flea to amelie.
Nice.
Although I'm not a fan of Flea, she did more compared to Amélie and I feel more % of her slot being scum.
But we can still wait for a replacement, hopefully.-
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The pronoun was not in bad faith, I forgot. It's very difficult for me to use this type of thing (my English is not native).
Regarding the vca, sorry, but I don't think it's productive to elaborate one now. Although that does not mean that I cannot criticize yours, since I don't think it is very useful since I don't see as true the point of scum always having to be inside a wagon, when in reality an elim can occur with or without scum interference. I believe I already mentioned that.
You, however, can think whatever you want about my posture, since it's in your right to do, as well as voting on me.-
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That's all. Waiting for this ^In post 2410, Not_Mafia wrote:Amelie has requested replacement-
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@Flea
As I said, you are free to think whatever you want, even if it is the worst possible interpretation of what my answer means to you.
If I think it will be relevant to my understanding of the game to do a vca or a more detailed analysis of a specific slot or event, I will do.
Right now, I'm fine with my vote. Depending on the successor that will enter the slot, however, this may or may not change.-
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