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KittyTacky · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:31 am

VOTE: DkKoba

First posters are scum of course.

KittyTacky · Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:24 am

In post 12, DkKoba wrote:
In post 11, KittyTacky wrote:VOTE: DkKoba

First posters are scum of course.
everytime i was first to post in thread i have been town everytime - so false!

The tells contradict each other-- you must be a third-party role then, obviously.

KittyTacky · Post Post #115 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:41 pm

I am pretty much a noob regarding forum mafia. On a serious non-RVS note, DkKoba is my strongest TR right now.

I will post my full reads later today I think.

KittyTacky · Post Post #116 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:42 pm

UNVOTE: Since RVS trolling is over.

KittyTacky · Post Post #127 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:31 pm

Tonal reads are good until we have enough votes on someone IMO.

In post 124, Elsa Jay wrote:everyone elsa

I see what you did there.

KittyTacky · Post Post #148 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:08 am

Sure you

can

fakeclaim whatever and whenever you like. For example I could claim The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of Its Ass.

Whether it helps town is another question...

KittyTacky · Post Post #238 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Game's a bit hard to read. Also I was busy yesterday.

TOWN

flow trap
DkKoba
UNOwen

SCUM

Elsa (just kinda a gut read)
Rathe (seems a bit lurky)

NULL

Everyone else, Not_Mafia in particular is just trolling.

KittyTacky · Post Post #239 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:13 pm

VOTE: Elsa Jay

KittyTacky · Post Post #241 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:36 pm

Sounds like the Chainsaw Defense (defending someone by voting against the one who voted against them). Kinda sus.

KittyTacky · Post Post #251 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:22 am

I feel we could forgive NM, TBH. A bit of trolling is fine in a game as long as it's not overdone. Mafia is meant to be fun after all.

Rather than hanging people for joking... Better to carry on with the game.

KittyTacky · Post Post #337 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:49 pm

In post 321, Artemiana wrote:I'm not a fan of the way he's quick to pull chainsaw out of his ass when I shifted against him but like, this makes me look even more sideways.

In post 115, KittyTacky wrote:I am pretty much a noob regarding forum mafia. On a serious non-RVS note, DkKoba is my strongest TR right now.

I will post my full reads later today I think.

In post 148, KittyTacky wrote:Sure you
can
fakeclaim whatever and whenever you like. For example I could claim The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of Its Ass.

Whether it helps town is another question...
I don't like how he claims to be a noob, but pulls this very specific fake claim from out of no where

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass the joke is real, but old as hell so it isn't something someone who is new would know about, much less claim. He also has strangely mafiaesque lingo for a newb as well. Willing to bet this flips red

The reason I use Mafia lingo is that I read a lot of threads and the wiki before. Nice shade. And I indeed don't like you chainsawing Elsa.

@UNOWen
You might distrust me because I am slightly inactive I suppose. I have been a bit busy as of recent, I want to post more later though. That's the only reason I can think of. The rest of your posts seemed townie.

Between the shade-throwing attempt and the weird chainsaw I think Artemiana is scum and Elsa is likely the partner. VOTE: Artemiana

KittyTacky · Post Post #338 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:50 pm

In post 301, DkKoba wrote:
In post 284, DkKoba wrote:
In post 238, KittyTacky wrote:Game's a bit hard to read. Also I was busy yesterday.

TOWN

flow trap
DkKoba
UNOwen

SCUM

Elsa (just kinda a gut read)
Rathe (seems a bit lurky)

NULL

Everyone else, Not_Mafia in particular is just trolling.
How are all those ppl you didnt mention "null"?
bumping cuz important

Mostly either being difficult to read or they didn't post much. I'll admit I am not very good at scumreading but I'm practicing.

KittyTacky · Post Post #339 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:53 pm

It's Artemiana and/or Elsa. If the deadline is close I'll switch back to Elsa but Artemiana is pinging harder on my scum radar.

KittyTacky · Post Post #340 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:54 pm

Like Artemiana started pushing on me immediately after I pushed Elsa.

KittyTacky · Post Post #350 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:57 pm

If Artemiana is scum that doesn't necessarily mean Elsa is scum. Artemiana could be defending Elsa to implicate her as scum, thus killing both.

However I feel that's a bad play due to an 1:1 trade (if that) being good for town.

KittyTacky · Post Post #353 (isolation #15) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:35 pm

In post 351, DkKoba wrote:
In post 344, DkKoba wrote:
In post 338, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 301, DkKoba wrote:
In post 284, DkKoba wrote:
In post 238, KittyTacky wrote:Game's a bit hard to read. Also I was busy yesterday.

TOWN

flow trap
DkKoba
UNOwen

SCUM

Elsa (just kinda a gut read)
Rathe (seems a bit lurky)

NULL

Everyone else, Not_Mafia in particular is just trolling.
How are all those ppl you didnt mention "null"?
bumping cuz important
Mostly either being difficult to read or they didn't post much. I'll admit I am not very good at scumreading but I'm practicing.
curious.

what posts from rathe like pinged you as scummy as scum lurking vs just null not posting enough yet?
@kitty

I'm just... not really sure. Call it another gut read. Also Artemiana is now on the naughty list.

KittyTacky · Post Post #368 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:35 am

In post 356, flow trap wrote:Kitty, I think you're taking the chainsaw thing way out of proportion to what easily could be a coincidence

Artemiana didn't give much of a reasoning besides the very shaky "KT can't be a noob" post.

I might be tunnel-visioning/laser-focusing/whatever but still.

DkKoba wrote:how do you feel about mozamis?

I'm honestly not sure why there's a huge wagon on them.

KittyTacky · Post Post #438 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:56 pm

It isn't an OMGUS, really. If you had provided a better reasoning than "lol kitty is using mafia terms hes alt" then I wouldn't be complaining so much.

Hasn't it crossed your mind, Artemiana, that some people read the wiki before playing?

KittyTacky · Post Post #439 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 pm

Also mod, I think you mised my vote on Artemiana, I switched to Artemiana from Elsa didn't I?

In case unvoting is required: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Artemiana

KittyTacky · Post Post #440 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:00 pm

In post 438, KittyTacky wrote:It isn't an OMGUS, really. If you had provided a better reasoning than "lol kitty is using mafia terms hes alt" then I wouldn't be complaining so much.

Hasn't it crossed your mind, Artemiana, that some people read the wiki before playing?

But as of now it smells like a poorly-justified chainsaw.

KittyTacky · Post Post #442 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:44 pm

In post 441, DkKoba wrote:have you played elsewhere before Kitty? whats your experience with mafia thus far?

My other games are still ongoing, I do not want to talk about them.

I do play a lot of Town Of Salem and also other social deduction games like Among Us. Wanted something slower-paced.

KittyTacky · Post Post #446 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:57 pm

In post 443, DkKoba wrote:i dont think you are this new to forum mafia so im skeptical.

I read a bunch of games before playing so I know a lot of concepts. Also a lot of concepts from TOS are applicable.

Never thought I'd have to convince people I am a noob.

KittyTacky · Post Post #453 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:29 pm

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In post 448, esotericzoomer wrote:tbf the way kitty used chainsawing in the argument they had sounds like they just ripped the definition off the wiki

I will admit it, yes I did. It was a textbook example of a chainsaw wasn't it?

KittyTacky · Post Post #461 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:26 am

In post 459, mozamis wrote:
In post 448, esotericzoomer wrote:tbf the way kitty used chainsawing in the argument they had sounds like they just ripped the definition off the wiki
yes, i agree, and nothing wrong with that. We were all new once, and terms like "chainsaw defence" are probably used more by new players. I would say Kitty is new. Doesn't mean she's town though.

"she" -_-

Look my pronouns are clearly stated in my profile.

KittyTacky · Post Post #462 (isolation #24) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:28 am

In post 460, mozamis wrote:ok, not much has happened. Good to seem more from JIm, although it's mostly about stuff with Arte from previous game, so wouldn't call it that helpful.
Get some more votes on him!
I'd rather Kitty than Arte if it came to that. Tho' Kitty is new, she does seem a bit defensive. Arte seems to be scum hunting more.

Arte doesn't really seem like she's scumhunting. Her only real pushing was on me and it was under very poor reasoning which is why I sus her hard.

KittyTacky · Post Post #489 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:43 pm

In post 468, mozamis wrote:So jim, Eso, Kitty should move their votes.
In fairness, no one is voting for DDk, Flow or Norwegian, but yeah the Elsa wagon needs to disband.

I'm no longer voting Elsa.

UNOwen wrote:Yo Kitty, I believe you missed my question.

In post 444, Jim Hawkins wrote:Yes, and I got wagoned day1 as well. Granted, the wagon ended up providing a lot of good info.
What are your current opinions on the game?

Yeah I missed it. My current opinions are that town seems somewhat competent, trolling aside. Elsa and Artemiana are my two main sus, I'm more inclined to hang Arte though. Anything more? Well we can't really speculate on the setup until someone dies. Can't think of much more. Unsure who the third scum could be.

KittyTacky · Post Post #511 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:06 am

In post 413, UNOwen wrote:
In post 337, KittyTacky wrote: You might distrust me because I am slightly inactive I suppose. I have been a bit busy as of recent, I want to post more later though. That's the only reason I can think of. The rest of your posts seemed townie.
Inactivity wasn't the reason, it was the trailing of a reads list which bothered me. The thread at that point was very fluffy, it's unlikely that any reads you could have would be involved. Announcing you were going to put together a reads list in advance seemed like the kind of thing newbie scum that was concerned about appearing to contribute might do. As for the town read: which posts and how?

Tonal read for FT. They just seem to be... generally doing stuff, you know? And not doing stuff in a fluffy way like moz, I mean actually trying to find scum. I'm actually not sure what posts in particular I can give as an example (especially since FT tends to post small posts).

DK it was similar until recent but the recent three posts just on this page seem too blunt to be scum for me.

For you, same as for FT.

KittyTacky · Post Post #752 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:18 am

In post 677, Artemiana wrote:
In post 588, flow trap wrote:How can you tell they have experience?

In post 590, flow trap wrote:And where did they say to go easy on them?
It was never explicitly said but it was subliminally/psychologically stated by (reasons already stated) I can assume that they have some experience based on how their posture, and play as been this game.

What do you think of the fact that another has also made this observation? And said other person is someone else who is skilled at picking up subtle emotions and tells?
In post 604, esotericzoomer wrote: i would like to say its townie to still keep fixating on this point but youre almost using it as a pass to not generate any more content
regardless of them faking being a noob being completely nai i already showed theres a good chance they are one with how they used chainsawing
I do have other reads. I've said an opinion on Norwee, I can state an opinion on Koba, and I've stated my opinion on Moz so to say I'm avoiding making other content is entirely false.

What do you think of kitty's counter to me, despite the fact that the only thing hes focusing on is my attack on her. What do you think of the fact that he has generated reads only based on the fact that they are attacking him?

Bullshit. Your "noobtell" doesn't take into account that

some noobs read the wiki.

KittyTacky · Post Post #755 (isolation #28) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:22 am

NM is... On the other hand trolling is anti-town. On the other hand it's just him being himself. I think it's NAI.

KittyTacky · Post Post #756 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:23 am

In post 755, DkKoba wrote:
In post 753, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 677, Artemiana wrote:
In post 588, flow trap wrote:How can you tell they have experience?

In post 590, flow trap wrote:And where did they say to go easy on them?
It was never explicitly said but it was subliminally/psychologically stated by (reasons already stated) I can assume that they have some experience based on how their posture, and play as been this game.

What do you think of the fact that another has also made this observation? And said other person is someone else who is skilled at picking up subtle emotions and tells?
In post 604, esotericzoomer wrote: i would like to say its townie to still keep fixating on this point but youre almost using it as a pass to not generate any more content
regardless of them faking being a noob being completely nai i already showed theres a good chance they are one with how they used chainsawing
I do have other reads. I've said an opinion on Norwee, I can state an opinion on Koba, and I've stated my opinion on Moz so to say I'm avoiding making other content is entirely false.

What do you think of kitty's counter to me, despite the fact that the only thing hes focusing on is my attack on her. What do you think of the fact that he has generated reads only based on the fact that they are attacking him?
Bullshit. Your "noobtell" doesn't take into account that
some noobs read the wiki.
we get it ur a former user and stuff just say it - we dont care.

No I am not.

I mean I played one game years ago and then lost interest and flaked. So guess you're right.

I spent like a month reading threads.

KittyTacky · Post Post #758 (isolation #30) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:29 am

If I was an experienced player pretending to be a noob I'd have little reason to risk being outed by using mafia lingo.

I am not afraid of using it.

KittyTacky · Post Post #855 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:48 pm

In post 779, Jim Hawkins wrote:VOTE: Kitty They are all over the place and contradicting themselves in their own explanations.

Explain how am I contradicting myself?

KittyTacky · Post Post #856 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:51 pm

In post 807, UNOwen wrote:VOTE: KittyTacky

I believe Kitty when he says he isn't an alt, it's not unlikely that someone who has familiarized themselves with the mafia wiki before making an account would appear more experienced than they actually are. And making an account years ago, flaking almost immediately and then returning to be accused of lying about my experience happened to me (although I was scum in that case so while I wasn't lying maybe Arte has a point about posturing).

But tbh that's the reason I suspect him, his posts feel very artificial to me as though he's read a "how to fool town" guide and he's sticking to it rigidly. It seems unnatural. Like I think if Kitty genuinely has a gut scum read on Elsa they challenge moz about it in 489 instead of just saying that he's off the wagon. And I really don't see how he got a town read on me from my first nine posts. Sure I gave a read list but he disagreed with all my suspicions and I think someone who has been reading mafia games for months would know that scum faking a read list without giving reasoning is completely possible.

Objection! It was a tonal read. I consider myself pretty decent at those.

KittyTacky · Post Post #858 (isolation #33) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:55 pm

And yeah Anya, the "crumb" was obvious. What other role would have an extra vote?

KittyTacky · Post Post #860 (isolation #34) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:56 pm

I'm not fishing, FT was if anyone.

KittyTacky · Post Post #861 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:58 pm

Waiting until VC.

KittyTacky · Post Post #863 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:04 pm

In post 862, Anya wrote:VOTE: Kitty

how dare you say that about my good friend flow trap

don't you try and push your wolfiness onto him

...bruh. He was the one who pointed out the crumbs in the first place. I didn't intend to cast shade on him.

KittyTacky · Post Post #903 (isolation #37) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:57 pm

In post 879, UNOwen wrote:
In post 856, KittyTacky wrote: Objection! It was a tonal read. I consider myself pretty decent at those.
What's your Jim read?

UNVOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Jim Hawkins

Jim seems scummy to me. I similarly just don't know why. His push on me with "KT is contradicting himself" is weird. He didn't explain when asked either.

How many days do we have until DL? Is Norwee at E-1?

KittyTacky · Post Post #953 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:40 pm

VOTE: Jim

Jim is quite scum to me NGL. I'd be satisfied with him hanging today as he's likely scum.

It's probably in {Arte, Elsa, Jim, Norwe, Moz}.

KittyTacky · Post Post #954 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:40 pm

Because seriously since when are breadcrumbs at all scummy?

KittyTacky · Post Post #955 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:41 pm

In post 953, KittyTacky wrote:{Arte, Elsa, Jim, Norwe, Moz}.

3 of those are our mafia.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1209 (isolation #41) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:11 pm

*drumroll*

KittyTacky · Post Post #1212 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:18 pm

By the way Arte isn't cleared if it flips red, what if it's a scum seeing a doomed partner and hammering to gain towncred?

KittyTacky · Post Post #1216 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:38 pm

In post 1083, NorwegianboyEE wrote:We don't use the word lynch on Mafia Scum.

Actually only mods are prohibited from using it. IIRC.

I'm fine with "lychee" though.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1218 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:40 pm

Wait nevermind, N_M hammered before Arte.

I am so dumb, I am still backreading.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1219 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:45 pm

If Anya is Chaotic Neutral then what is N_M?

KittyTacky · Post Post #1224 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:54 pm

In post 1220, Rathe wrote:y did u hammer artemiana when jim was already hammered

This town trollin'...

KittyTacky · Post Post #1236 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:33 am

In post 1212, KittyTacky wrote:By the way Arte isn't cleared if it flips red, what if it's a scum seeing a doomed partner and hammering to gain towncred?

There's seriously nothing blocking scum!Arte from doing this now that I think about it. Jim was pretty fucked. This is anti-town if anything because it caused confusion.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1274 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:07 am

In post 955, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 953, KittyTacky wrote:{Arte, Elsa, Jim, Norwe, Moz}.
3 of those are our mafia.

Guess there might be one more outside this IG. But I sus Elsa, Norwe, Moz currently. It's past midnight here, will post more tomorrow.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1275 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:09 am

In post 1253, flow trap wrote:A disloyal checker is basically a cop with unconfirmed blues, I believe

Actually a fairly powerful role unless there are several roleblockers/JKs.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1345 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:16 pm

Wasting a lim on N_M is anti-town since we have bigger fish to fry right now. You seem to be so eager to do it when there are scummier people being voted. Kinda sus NGL.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1346 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 1344, mozamis wrote:
In post 1278, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1274, KittyTacky wrote: Guess there might be one more outside this IG. But I sus Elsa, Norwe, Moz currently. It's past midnight here, will post more tomorrow.
Why the Moz/Norwegian suspicion?
and why don't you ever give any reads?

Didn't I before? Most of my reads are based on tone.

I really, REALLY don't see how Owen is scum here. Not only based on tone but his posts always have a pretty decent amount of helpful content.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1349 (isolation #52) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:27 pm

In post 1347, mozamis wrote:
In post 1345, KittyTacky wrote:Wasting a lim on N_M is anti-town since we have bigger fish to fry right now. You seem to be so eager to do it when there are scummier people being voted. Kinda sus NGL.
NO, you read my post wrong. WE SHOULD HAVE elim NM, past tense.
That was my WHOLE point. It is too late now, town are lumbered with NM for the rest of the game.
What are your reads Kitty?

Right.

SOLIDLY TOWN
Me (duh)
UNOwen - for reasons explained above
DkKoba - just kinda a tonal read?

KINDA TOWN
flow - seems to play in a similar way as Newbie 2055 which recently finished and they were town in that game
Rathe - another tonal read, aggressive which is usually a town thing right?

NEUTRAL
eso - just don't know, he is hard to read.
NM - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjuHgYCxoKY

PROBABLY SCUM
Elsa - seems... very odd to me. Hard to explain
Norwe - the late Arte already explained my reasons
moz - just generally slippery

I'm more inclined to VOTE: Norwe of those three.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1350 (isolation #53) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:30 pm

Shit, forgot Anya. She is neutral to me.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1351 (isolation #54) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:30 pm

I always start new pages with follow-up posts by the looks of it.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1449 (isolation #55) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:14 pm

In post 1358, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1349, KittyTacky wrote:PROBABLY SCUM
Elsa - seems... very odd to me. Hard to explain
Can you try?

I don't know how...

KittyTacky · Post Post #1450 (isolation #56) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:20 pm

In post 1406, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1403, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1349, KittyTacky wrote: Norwe - the late Arte already explained my reasons
You agree with Arte's meta explanation for Norwegian scum?
Actually a pretty good point.
How can you "agree" to a meta scum read?
(And how would Kitty even know if Artemisia’s meta read is accurate, and much more importantly. Who they even are?

I swear there were non-meta things here.

Anyways suspicion is circling me, time to claim as this is just a repeat of Newbie 2055 otherwise.

I am a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker. I did not block anyone last night as I wanted to save shots. I crumbed it here:

In post 251, KittyTacky wrote:I feel we could forgive NM, TBH. A bit of trolling is fine in a game as long as it's not overdone. Mafia is meant to be fun after all.

Rather than hanging people for joking... Better to carry on with the game.

The first letters of each word spell out IAMRB -> I AM RB ->

I

A

m

R

ole

B

locker.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1451 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:20 pm

*each sentence

KittyTacky · Post Post #1455 (isolation #58) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:25 pm

I tried to stay under the radar somewhat by not being super-active to not draw the NK. But now no reason not to be more active IG.

I claimed because I felt I'd get limmed otherwise. There was a fast wagon forming on me.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1457 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:26 pm

Last finished game I played I worded a post poorly and people hanged me. This happened again.

Doc on me I guess as I'm the only claimed PR.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1465 (isolation #60) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:32 pm

In post 1459, Elsa Jay wrote:The wagon seemed it was going on Owen tho? Everyone elsa took their votes off of you.

Which, I guess since I'm here, I do urge we look elsawhere from Owen. He's a good fella.

There was still suspicion on me due to my poorly-worded post. And I didn't notice that. Oh well.

I was also really afraid there was a vig who would shoot me for being scummy if I didn't claim.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1468 (isolation #61) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:33 pm

I hope there's a doctor.

If there's a doctor then either we have no cop, or cop is macho, or mafia has RBer/strongman. That's my setup speculation.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1473 (isolation #62) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:40 pm

In post 1470, DkKoba wrote:ur softing a guilty.

claim it now.

u burned ur towncred d1 u misplayed horribly when a town member was yelling to not get jim and u INTENTIONALLY took the action you KNEW would result in their elimination and you wanna try to soft a guilty now?

nah go away lol

I'm not softing anything so shut up. And how would I know they were a townie telling not to get Jim until after the fact?

This is damaging to YOUR towncred for turning around so fast. Why not say this earlier? This reads like a scum trying to kill a PR. Sorry but you're way less town to me now.

VOTE: DkKoba

KittyTacky · Post Post #1474 (isolation #63) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:42 pm

In post 1471, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 1468, KittyTacky wrote:I hope there's a doctor.

If there's a doctor then either we have no cop, or cop is macho, or mafia has RBer/strongman. That's my setup speculation.
... Town roleblockers are usually the Protectives when there isn't a doctor my dude.

I don't think a RBer is a very good protective since it needs a scum first but okay.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1476 (isolation #64) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:47 pm

Oh my god I am so dumb I'm sorry DK.

This is why we have quotes. Ahem.

VOTE: Norwe

KittyTacky · Post Post #1477 (isolation #65) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:49 pm

I'm more inclined to Norwe>Moz>Elsa.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1536 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:22 am

In post 1481, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1477, KittyTacky wrote:I'm more inclined to Norwe>Moz>Elsa.
please just bin norwee for now - I dont think they are worth today.

They're getting pushed by my top scumpool reads and its like frustratingly like - feeling scummy asf that there's no criticism of elsa here doing what she did.

You convinced me.

VOTE: Elsa

KittyTacky · Post Post #1537 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:25 am

In post 1519, UNOwen wrote:Kitty: Arte explained why I suspect Norwegian
Me: Arte's reasoning was meta?
Kitty: I swear there were non-meta things
Kitty: also I'm roleblocker

Claim is interesting but doesn't explain why Kitty is voting Norwegian. It's fine if he misremembered but I'd still like to know what the non-meta point was which he thought Arte had explained, because otherwise what is the Norwegian suspicion about?

Think I misremembered then?

KittyTacky · Post Post #1628 (isolation #68) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:54 pm

Any guesses on who on earth are Ginger Handbag and Cycling? Ginger Handbag might be me but then who is Cycling?

KittyTacky · Post Post #1633 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:34 pm

UNVOTE: for now.

KittyTacky · Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:57 pm

In post 1644, mozamis wrote:
In post 1450, KittyTacky wrote:Anyways suspicion is circling me, time to claim as this is just a repeat of Newbie 2055 otherwise.

I am a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker. I did not block anyone last night as I wanted to save shots. I crumbed it here:

Was anyone even voting for you at this point? There wasn't much of a wagon on you at any rate, you really didn't need to claim here. If you are town this is a massive distraction and puts a target on your back

I forgot they unvoted.

I feel like I'd have to do it anyways at some point. In games like this I am a day miller (I have a tendency to look suspicious).

KittyTacky · Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:59 pm

VOTE: Norwe

Again. Elsa redeemed herself with her claim IMO, it looks like a town claim.

KittyTacky · Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:03 pm

In post 1670, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1644, mozamis wrote:
In post 1450, KittyTacky wrote:Anyways suspicion is circling me, time to claim as this is just a repeat of Newbie 2055 otherwise.

I am a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker. I did not block anyone last night as I wanted to save shots. I crumbed it here:

Was anyone even voting for you at this point? There wasn't much of a wagon on you at any rate, you really didn't need to claim here. If you are town this is a massive distraction and puts a target on your back
I forgot they unvoted.

I feel like I'd have to do it anyways at some point. In games like this I am a day miller (I have a tendency to look suspicious).

Maybe it's because I am a TOS player, the culture there is very claim-heavy and "claiming late" when pushed is seen as a scumtell. Guess it's different here.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1763 (isolation #73) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:30 am

In post 1681, DkKoba wrote:btw - just for posterity - any crumbs at all from anyone? @anya @elsajay @kitty ?

I don't expect any from kitty, anya and elsa I do.

I wanted to block Arte at first but changed my mind in the middle of the night because I realized that even if she was scum mafia wouldn't be so stupid as to send their scummiest person. Glad I did, saved a shot, she was a townie anyways. So this is technically a crumb but I backed out of it.

In post 1236, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1212, KittyTacky wrote:By the way Arte isn't cleared if it flips red, what if it's a scum seeing a doomed partner and hammering to gain towncred?
There's seriously nothing blocking scum!Arte from doing this now that I think about it. Jim was pretty fucked. This is anti-town if anything because it caused confusion.

"blocking Arte"

KittyTacky · Post Post #1768 (isolation #74) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:33 am

In post 1698, DkKoba wrote:mmm

what if kitty is scum roleblocker meant to interfere with these roles?

What if I am a town roleblocker who would be tempted to block people early thus interfering with PRs?

Plus I'm saving shots, nobody claimed RBed, if I was scum I would have blocked Anya who softed PR day 1.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1773 (isolation #75) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:36 am

In post 1702, UNOwen wrote:Day 3 of waiting for Kitty to explain why he suspects Norwegian.

Sorry I missed this.

Norwe is just... oddly scummy to me. Their posts seem like filler IMHO to throw off suspicion. I'm bad at objective reads, I'm more of a tonal guy.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1774 (isolation #76) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:37 am

In post 1772, flow trap wrote:
In post 1770, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1768, KittyTacky wrote:Plus I'm saving shots, nobody claimed RBed, if I was scum I would have blocked Anya who softed PR day 1.
Where?
"I'm gonna vig X"

That.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1778 (isolation #77) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:42 am

Also Norwe's weird-ass push. How the hell do Elsa and Anya contradict each other? Why not have two counterpart roles?

KittyTacky · Post Post #1779 (isolation #78) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 am

At this point I think both are town. And one of Norwe/Moz is very likely scum.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1780 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 am

If not both.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1786 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:51 am

I'm down for flipping Norwe. He's just digging himself deeper.

If it's not him it's Moz.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1791 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:53 am

I might be dead tonight if there are no protectives by the way.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1807 (isolation #82) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:29 am

Yeah if Norwe is a townie I'll begin to doubt Anya and Elsa.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1895 (isolation #83) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 pm

In post 1874, UNOwen wrote:They both do the same thing though?

I thought powerless goons counted as vanillas? So it would check a plain goon as a vanilla, making it unreliable.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1917 (isolation #84) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:22 pm

In post 1911, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Idk what i’m at. But my role is 1-shot bodygard. And it’s one of the reasons i suspect in Elsa/Anya. There are simply too many PR claims for it all to be town.
I target Dkkoba last night. And i believe it should have been fairly obvious.

Why would you use an 1-shot protective N1...

Great. If this is really our TP that was supposed to take the bullet for one of the PRs, it's wasted. I am probably fucked tonight. Or Elsa/Anya are.

Assuming it's real and not just a mafia opportunistically claiming a PR-- a PR that can't be used to protect someone so if a claimed PR dies he gets plausible deniability. This claim doesn't convince me.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1951 (isolation #85) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:37 pm

Even my RB shot? Why would I waste it on someone I think is a townie? A VT at that? No thanks.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1952 (isolation #86) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:38 pm

Waiting for VC.

Hammers are so much less dramatic when they take so long to die after hanging.

Any protective on me or DkKoba! So attacking either of us is a risk.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1953 (isolation #87) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:40 pm

Get Norwe or Elsa.

Norwe especially if I die because of framing WIFOM.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1954 (isolation #88) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:41 pm

I'm not inclined to hang Elsa as much as Norwe.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1957 (isolation #89) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:12 pm

You read like a VT to me but sure that's a softclaim. I will.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1960 (isolation #90) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:22 pm

In post 1958, DkKoba wrote:why would i ask to be roleblocked as a vt lol

That's why I was confused.

I mean there could be a watcher that could confirm me and all other visiting PRs but... unlikely. Like the TP/LO strat in Town Of Salem.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1970 (isolation #91) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:42 am

WHY WOULD MOZ NOT CLAIM AT L-1?! THIS COULD HAVE SAVED THEM! There goes another PR... this game is a PR-claim-and-death-fest.

And yeah I targeted DK. Now I have 1 shot left.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1971 (isolation #92) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:47 am

Is Anya really a doublevoter? Or was there a mod slip? It shows 3 votes on Norwe in the VC but only two players voting.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1972 (isolation #93) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:49 am

It's either Norwe, Elsa, or one of the non-claimers. DK in particular is the towniest townie who ever towned a town in the history of towns.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1973 (isolation #94) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:50 am

In post 1972, KittyTacky wrote:It's either Norwe, Elsa, or one of the non-claimers. DK in particular is the towniest townie who ever towned a town in the history of towns.

DK's softclaim counts as a claim by the way.

KittyTacky · Post Post #1994 (isolation #95) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:22 am

In post 1974, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1970, KittyTacky wrote:There goes another PR... this game is a PR-claim-and-death-fest.
Seems like it's only the PRs who don't claim that are dying.

Mafia might be afraid of a doctor I guess. Considering our claimed protective (Norwe) didn't die he might be fake but this is of course subject to framing WIFOM.

KittyTacky · Post Post #2008 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:31 am

In post 1997, Elsa Jay wrote:Anya should first. A claimed PR calling out a gal with a Simple Modifier instead of the Complex one first? Nah.

Anya failing on you means you faked it or Kitty Roleblocked her. Me failing means your a scum PR or Town PR and neither helps town the way your acting.

I blocked DK. They implied they'd be able to confirm it.

KittyTacky · Post Post #2017 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:34 am

Elsa should really cough up the result, no reason to withhold it.

KittyTacky · Post Post #2045 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:56 am

I don't think NM is scum. He is at the bottom of my "potential scum" list. I believe he is just a trolling VT.

KittyTacky · Post Post #2055 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:03 am

In post 2049, esotericzoomer wrote:do we have a town redirector or some shit?
i still cant make heads or tails of that kill, one of norwegian/kitty is lying about their role

Redirectors aren't normal.

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:06 am

I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:11 am

In post 2062, DkKoba wrote:
In post 2061, KittyTacky wrote:I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa
this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL

kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla

It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:23 am

In post 2066, flow trap wrote:
In post 2065, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 2062, DkKoba wrote:
In post 2061, KittyTacky wrote:I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa
this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL

kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla
It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.
Why would they fake claim a result on someone harder to read since they would be less certain their result was true

There are a lot of PR flips and claims, any more are unlikely, if I was scum!Elsa I'd be comfy doing that to NM. Or NM is their partner.

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:21 pm

In post 2086, Anya wrote:
In post 1971, KittyTacky wrote:Is Anya really a doublevoter? Or was there a mod slip? It shows 3 votes on Norwe in the VC but only two players voting.
i haven't activated that ability of mine yet?

Must be a mod mistake then.

Happy birthday, NM!

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:23 pm

IMO one or both of Norwe and Elsa are fake.

KittyTacky · Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:12 pm

Ever heard of missing a post, Elsa? You are sooooo eager to latch onto that. Sounds like a scum trying to get rid of someone pushing.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 am

In post 2171, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Kitty, i’m guessing scum? Roleblocker could easily be an scum role. And i don’t like their constant push on me.

I am pushing on you for a reason. Which I explained already. Pot, meet kettle.

I don't like the DK wagon. It's kinda... sudden I guess?

FOS: Norwe

Pretend this is a vote without being a vote. Elsa first.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:04 am

If I was scum RBer I'd fake claim and use it to RB town power roles instead of:

N1: Waiting a night

N2: RBing a non-claimer who I read as a VT.

Your argument falls flat, Norwe.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:07 am

Investigative PR claims are so plentiful, surely I'd not waste time and/or shots or anyone else if I was a mafia roleblocker? You are scum, Norwe. And your partner is probably Elsa.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:08 am

And of course you do nothing to counter. Keep flailing bro.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:19 am

In post 2202, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1973, KittyTacky wrote: DK's softclaim counts as a claim by the way.

In post 2008, KittyTacky wrote: I blocked DK. They implied they'd be able to confirm it.

In post 2197, KittyTacky wrote: N2: RBing a non-claimer who I read as a VT.
:/

"They" was referring to whatever other role would be able to confirm. Sorry if this was ambiguous.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:20 am

In post 2214, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Pray tell, where have i been "flailing"? >_>

You're not actually countering my argument about how I'm not likely to be a scum roleblocker

because one of the invetigatives would have been blocked

. Instead you keep calling me sus for no good reason.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:22 am

In post 2202, UNOwen wrote:
In post 1973, KittyTacky wrote: DK's softclaim counts as a claim by the way.

In post 2008, KittyTacky wrote: I blocked DK. They implied they'd be able to confirm it.

In post 2197, KittyTacky wrote: N2: RBing a non-claimer who I read as a VT.
:/

Also I was kinda doubting my VT read on DK after their crumbs. But I thought it could be an attempt to draw the NK. Still thought someone else would confirm, we have a claimed role that could.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:23 am

When I die and flip town (either by the noose or the bullet), listen to me and get my two main suspects.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:25 am

You missed a third option, Elsa. I am a town roleblocker. Why would I block a town PR if I was town? You are making no sense. How does that not make sense in context? Burden of proof is on you.

Elsa and Norwe are throwing so much shade today.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:25 am

At this point I believe they are partners.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:27 am

Who are trying to get rid of someone who could block them because they are scum power. The vanilla goon, if there is one, is probably staying hidden.

That's my attempt at a solve.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:27 am

The vanilla goon could be NM.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:41 am

In post 2237, UNOwen wrote:
In post 2219, KittyTacky wrote: "They" was referring to whatever other role would be able to confirm. Sorry if this was ambiguous.
So 2008 was intended to read: "I blocked DK. They implied 'someone else' would be able to confirm it.".

Yeah. English is not my native language, it sounded better in Russian.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:01 pm

In post 2251, Elsa Jay wrote:Koba doesn't get your comedy Flow. That deserves a vote obviously.

Newbie 2055 flashbacks, it was my first game, FT hardsofted PR as a joke and I pushed him since he claimed VT after the fact, he was actually VT and then I became low-hanging fruit and was hanged D2. Town still won, barely. But I'm kinda ashamed I took out 2 townies including myself in that game.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:05 pm

I claimed RBer because I saw there was suspicion around me. An overreaction in hindsight.

VOTE: Norwegian

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:13 pm

Norwe already claimed but I don't trust his claim.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:40 pm

If NM hammers this before 72 hours pass it's a scumclaim.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:40 pm

Like there's a difference between harmless trolling and gamethrowing.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:45 pm

OK well what did we expect?

NM usually stops trolling when something important depends on it. So either this is an exception or he is scum trying to shut down discussion. Discuss fast before the mod notices the hammer!

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:46 pm

My dreams usually aren't Mafia-related as it's not exactly a visual game. But sure.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:47 pm

I am lowkey fucked if Norwe is a real BG. His fault for blowing his only shot N1 if he is.

I swear it was. Maybe I can't count.

KittyTacky · Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:01 pm

I forgot to say, I trust FT's visitor claim. It seems like it makes sense with a Motion Detector in-game.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:40 am

Short day compared to D1 and D2 huh.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:42 am

Let me be honest I only saw my vote was E-1 after NM hammered. That's what I get for being such a mathematical genius.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:43 am

@Mod you forgot to update the "Dead" spoiler in the OP. It's empty.

I didn't forget, I never bothered -brass

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:46 am

If Norwe is town, tomorrow is MELo (MisEliminate and Lose). Keep that in mind.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:46 am

Wait no. It's ELo if the NK goes through (likely).

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:51 am

I'm fairly sure he isn't town though. I'd say a more than 50% chance. Probably more than... 66%-ish.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:30 am

Let's not put Norwe at E-1 so our Hammerer doesn't get a chance to shine until it is needed.

NGL, I would have thought NM had some sort of restriction on him where he

had

to hammer at the earliest opportunity if this wasn't a Normal game.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:15 pm

Eso is shifty to me but like. Town shifty. He doesn't read to me like scum.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:36 pm

I feel everyone (who is alive) talked a decent amount recently. It's just that there are fewer players now.

KittyTacky · Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:22 pm

If we believe him he already blew his shot. Which is scummy a
AF. Why would you do that N1.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:34 am

If NM wasn't always trolling like this (by the looks of it) I'd have thought he was a goon playing dumb. But this kind of trolling is NAI if the player has a history of it.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:02 am

Literal douvblevoter.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:02 am

*doublevoter

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:07 pm

In post 2368, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2330, KittyTacky wrote:Wait no. It's ELo if the NK goes through (likely).
Why would you add that you think it’s likely here?
Aren’t you supposed to be a roleblocker?

I added that because I corrected myself because earlier I said it would be MELo and that would be wrong.

Of course I'll try to stop the kill but we do not know who the goon is.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:08 pm

In post 2371, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Kitty’s reaction to N_M’s "hammer" is bad...

Elaborate.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:09 pm

In post 2373, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don’t mean to act like a total know it all but i think it spews me town here that so many slots have been completely willing to vote me, and that includes N_M that was able and completely willing to hammer me.

Or it's bussing. /shrug

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:26 pm

Site was down for me yesterday. Anyone else?

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:33 pm

If no replacement is found within a reasonable time, what's gonna happen?

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:42 pm

In post 2388, flow trap wrote:Lychee-2

With NM in-game it's more like Lychee-1.

KittyTacky · Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:54 pm

Explain how I am mafia? Also instinct?

KittyTacky · Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:05 pm

Welp that's a hammer.

KittyTacky · Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:05 pm

N_M out of a job.

KittyTacky · Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:03 pm

DK is 95% town. Make that 99% if Norwe flips red.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 am

See, I have been fingering him as scum since D1. Glad I was right. Also that's a weird kill.

It's in {Elsa, samantha, NM} IMO. Elsa and Anya, post your results.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 am

Samantha's hard covering for Norwe is hmmmmmm.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:24 am

NM is a wild card. It's just straight up impossible to bin him as anything without an investigative result on him. I gave up trying regarding him long ago.

Waiting for Elsa and Anya to post their results until I vote.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:59 am

In post 2464, Not_Mafia wrote:What was flowtraps claim again?

Town Visitor.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:10 am

[elsa]vote[/elsa]

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:12 am

VOTE: Elsa

Yeah Elsa is on my shitlist. Might as well vote.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:32 pm

In post 2475, Elsa Jay wrote:Okay I'm back and I see two people have voted me and one being Eso's replacement. The other is the cripe Roleblocker who decided to never read my posts and claimed to be sleepy. Ugh those 2.

Now, let's look at this from a simple mindset. I'm explaining this all now so Kitty can't say he didn't read it later. If he does say that I'm voting him.

Anyway my options were checking between Koba and Sam as those 2 slots are the only ones claiming to be VT I haven't checked yet. So instead of dealing with Koba I did a favor and checked Sammy.

Samantha gave me "no result". I clarify this again, that's not "No movement detected". That means my action failed on them.

So literally the only 2 options there are they lied about being VT or Kitty finally decided to roleblock me.

I didn't block anyone.

And this is what I asked for, my vote was pressure. So either Sam is full of crap, or you are full of crap.

VOTE: samantha97

1 for 1.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:35 pm

I made a play, I didn't reveal that I didn't act at the start of the day and then asked alleged PRs to post their results, to catch them on possible lies.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:36 pm

In post 2485, DkKoba wrote:unvote

You need to tag it or at least bold it, right?

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:37 pm

Or are you asking me to unvote? If so, why?

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:38 pm

Hang samantha today, if it's not them it means Elsa lied so Elsa tomorrow in that case.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:39 pm

Or there's a second roleblocker/JK, admittedly unlikely. In that case they should come out.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:58 pm

In post 2492, samantha97 wrote:
In post 2484, KittyTacky wrote:So either Sam is full of crap, or you are full of crap.
I want you to explain to me how town comes to the conclusion that, between vanilla and someone who mechanically has a baseline 50% chance of being mafia, it's vanilla

especially after seeing norwegian and elsa's vote history

Vanilla is an easy claim and your slot's history is also not exactly spotless. You guys have about the same chance of being mafia, at least in my eyes.

Note that if NM is town we will be at ELo and so if we hang the wrong one between Sam and Elsa we will lose. It's safer to hang one today then the other if we are wrong, and save NM for last.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:00 pm

But yea don't put any of them at E-1 until we discussed enough. I'm not rushing.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:05 pm

samantha97 wrote:
In post 2497, KittyTacky wrote:Vanilla is an easy claim and your slot's history is also not exactly spotless. You guys have about the same chance of being mafia, at least in my eyes.
have your eyes read the thread cause our probability is totally different

so much so that the idea that it's between the 2 of us is veering on gaslighting

Yes I did. Eso stayed quietly under the radar all game before replacing out. Which is scummy IMO.

I'm not locked to you though. I'm fine with reverse 1f1 (Elsa first). But it looks like NM is going first anyways.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:08 pm

You know what? On a second thought, Elsa is indeed the more likely one to be scum. VOTE: Elsa

But yes it is between you 2. One has to be lying. If Elsa is town we hang you the next day.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:10 pm

I'd say it's more like 60% Elsa 40% Sam right now.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:01 pm

In post 2507, DkKoba wrote:
In post 2502, KittyTacky wrote:You know what? On a second thought, Elsa is indeed the more likely one to be scum. VOTE: Elsa

But yes it is between you 2. One has to be lying. If Elsa is town we hang you the next day.
why are you pushing to rush the elim?

I'm not, in fact I said to not put anyone at E-1 until we are done discussing.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:05 pm

Because if you do then NM will hammer.

Would NM hammer himself though?

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:40 pm

UNVOTE:

To prevent people hammering or E-1ing until the time comes.

KittyTacky · Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:42 pm

In post 2452, KittyTacky wrote:See, I have been fingering him as scum since D1. Glad I was right. Also that's a weird kill.

It's in {Elsa, samantha, NM} IMO. Elsa and Anya, post your results.

I already stated my POE.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:27 am

I wanted to save my shot for until there is one scum left so we can clear someone.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:28 am

We can't be sure it's Anya. I agree it's likely Sam but it can also be NM.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:29 am

One of Sam and Elsa has to be lying. Hang one and the other is cleared or confirmed as scum depending on the flip. I do not want to hang NM yet.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:30 am

In post 2536, KittyTacky wrote:I wanted to save my shot for until there is one scum left so we can clear someone.

Roleblocker with 1 goon left is like a cop unless scum no-kills (which is still good, stops a kill).

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:31 am

Your recent two posts seem town to me TBH. Slightly pissed but like. Town pissed.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:32 am

In post 2538, KittyTacky wrote:One of Sam and Elsa has to be lying.

From my perspective at least. From everyone else's, I could be lying too.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:07 am

...yeah I forgot to take that into account. Anya did post my results. No movement on me, so yes I didn't do shit tonight.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 am

I trust Anya more now because of that TBH.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:25 am

I'm much more inclined to do Sam first, on a second thought. I doubt Elsa would accuse Sam like that if she was scum as that means she is doomed tomorrow = 1 for 1 which is bad for scum.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:26 am

Or Sam is faking VT as a PR.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:27 am

Which is ummmm...

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:24 am

In post 2555, samantha97 wrote:
In post 2550, KittyTacky wrote:I'm much more inclined to do Sam first, on a second thought. I doubt Elsa would accuse Sam like that if she was scum as that means she is doomed tomorrow = 1 for 1 which is bad for scum.
their result accuses you not me I think?

I don't think vanilla would return that but if it would then they mafiaclaimed anyway

It also accuses you since it implies you could be lying about being vanilla.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:30 pm

No I don't really see Sam being likely town here.

Answer this question, Koba. Why would scum!Elsa accuse a townie before ELo? It would just result in an 1f1. Thus, Sam is likely to be scum here, and even if she isn't her death will not be in vain as then Elsa dies tomorrow. We vote Sam today.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:31 pm

Or as NM said they're both scum distancing which I'm contemplating more and more.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pm

Or Sam is town and scum!Elsa horribly misplayed. In which case we still get something good out of this.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pm

But Elsa is an experienced player, that's unlikely.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:36 pm

In post 2572, DkKoba wrote:
In post 2550, KittyTacky wrote:I'm much more inclined to do Sam first, on a second thought. I doubt Elsa would accuse Sam like that if she was scum as that means she is doomed tomorrow = 1 for 1 which is bad for scum.
Its 1 lim to lylo - it would be a good strat to fake a guilty esp in the situation that elsa is in post norwee red flip.

How? If Elsa is red she gets flipped tomorrow. It's not a good strat.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:13 pm

See I don't believe "buying a day" helps mafia here. Elsa could have talked out of it if she was scum. But this would definitely put her on the chopping block.

As for your question: maybe? Motion detectors are pretty weak anyways especially since the ones we have are gated. It's plausible.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 pm

Yeah I don't think a voyeur would work particularly well with them.

I think the gimmick here are those misleading roles. Like our "checker" which actually acts like a cop.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:40 pm

I mean sure. I won't get to act like a cop, unlike if we hang between Sam and Elsa tonight and hit scum. But sure.

KittyTacky · Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:04 pm

But wait! If you hang me today it will be ELo. If you then hang between Sam and Elsa and hit town then you lose.

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:07 am

Well since I am confirmed town to myself I think we should go after Sam.

Plus I have been pushing a scum (Norwe) since day 1...

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:42 am

I'm not going after Elsa for reasons I explained. An 1f1 does not benefit mafia in this situation.

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:10 am

You both are sus and I would hang Elsa tomorrow at this point even if you flip red (because bussing). It's just that I don't believe your vanilla claim.

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:11 am

Also you defended Norwe pretty hard didn't you?

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:09 pm

In post 2604, samantha97 wrote:anyway if you really thought I was lying about being vanilla, you would be suggesting to leash anya (and elsa if still alive) to me tonight

Bullshit. Anya has very little connection to you. In fact she helped accuse you with her result on me.

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:10 pm

Sam hangs today.

KittyTacky · Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:11 pm

In post 2612, samantha97 wrote:
In post 2610, KittyTacky wrote:Bullshit. Anya has very little connection to you. In fact she helped accuse you with her result on me.
??????????
both anya and elsa can confirm my role with equal ability, and it's unlikely both are mafia

they're both vanilla cops in practice

What I meant is Anya confirmed that I indeed stayed home (thus Elsa wasn't blocked). This, from my perspective, locked it into 1f1.