Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Anya]

VOTE: Save the Dragons

idk why he's trying to save the dragons if protection is unnecessary?

[Anya]

actually gonna go with my gut and vote out my townread

VOTE: Salsa

[Anya]

i'm telling you you're a genius

[Anya]

VOTE: osuka

kinda weird you'd talk about things going over your head? are those missile cruisers that you're playing to bomb us with?

[Anya]

osuka

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[Anya]

VOTE: osuka

kinda weird you'd talk about things going over your head? are those missile cruisers that you're playing to bomb us with?

good point

VOTE: osuka

i make those sometimes

[Anya]

the really towny people are usually wolves trying to look like town while the really wolfy people are town who just don't care

for example pawnsgambit reads to me as more of a bishop kind of player so they're probably a wolf

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

[Anya]

VOTE: Save The Dragon

Being hyper aggressive and then backtracking once you're called on your bluff *IS* scummy.

any reason why you're misrepresenting save the dragons here?

they want to save all of the dragons but you're trying to make it look like they only want to save one?

[Anya]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

[Anya]

no i'm more of a minesweeper kind of player

[Anya]

also what the fuck does a "bishop kind of player" mean

like they're going to push with their bishop while pretending like they're doing some pawns gambit and keeping us distracted

[Anya]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

You're basing their scumminess on their username?

no but it's hurtful to what he stands for i'd like for everyone to be treated fairly

[Anya]

so what does the plane have to do with anything

the plane is providing the pieces to pawns gambit who puts them down like they're playing minesweeper

the reason i get it is because i'm like that too

[Anya]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

You're basing their scumminess on their username?

no but it's hurtful to what he stands for i'd like for everyone to be treated fairly

Ok I admire your position, but I think from a scumhunting sense I'm making more sense here.

you won't be saying that once i catch us 4 or 5 wolves

[Anya]

exactly osuka i think we're getting somewhere now

[Anya]

VOTE: pawns gambit

yikes i think you just stepped on a mine

[Anya]

pawnsgambit i have a question

say Haschel continues lurking up top in the plane while everyone else has started parachuting down

do you send a queen to yank him out or slowly push forward with your pawns to assess what he does?

[Anya]

maybe

want to try it out?

VOTE: Haschel

[Anya]

i say we go for the hard yank

castling is slow and boring and we're out here sacrificing our queens

[Anya]

i usually just move my pawn forward and let my rook escape that way

and then it's only a few moves for the king to slide over to the corner

it's a lot more practical and puts both pieces in a better position

[Anya]

you must make a lot of statistics

[Anya]

That doesn't help protect the king though.

it does since you can move the g2 pawn forward as well and create a buffer to protect the king and also give it room to move around if threatened

[Anya]

VOTE: vfp

feels like he's entering a shopping centre and treating it like a boxing ring looking for a fight with sales assistant osuka the confidence seems unfounded

[Anya]

they sorry

[Anya]

i don't think being toxic in response to being pushed is typical for wolves

usually it comes from town

[Anya]

that's such a nice flip though

[Anya]

dragon saver i want a question too i hope you don't have something against me i get that reaction sometimes

[Anya]

dragon saver i want a question too i hope you don't have something against me i get that reaction sometimes

what do you think of pawnard?

the pokemon? i'd give it a strong 5/10

[Anya]

Robert... hello, nice to meet you. I was literally joking with my first post of the game?? and you're trying to say I was serious?? excuse me??

you seem very precise?? in the way you always use?? two question marks?? no??

[Anya]

i guess you're not a pokemon fan?

Spoiler:

oops it's pawniard my bad

ha knew it

[Anya]

i voted for vfp because i thought they overreacted to osuka and were ready to FIGHT maybe because they have a guilty conscious and are on the defensive from the start

[Anya]

insidious is pushing me for being weird rather than being wolf

VOTE: Insidious lock him up

[Anya]

good luck you'll do great!

[Anya]

did insidious just ignore the fact he ever voted me or i voted him and go on to flay pawniard?

[Anya]

don't want a confrontation in the pokemon stadium? would rather just watch the poor pawniard from the stands

[Anya]

VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

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[Anya]

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

i think this hunter is town for the last paragraph

[Anya]

VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

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i hope you’re just catching up and replying as you go. if you are, don’t read the rest of this message

if you’re not: learn to fucking read, i had a whole conversation with std about this

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[Anya]

it makes him town because a wolf would just make up a reason and not actually have one from earlier while town might've had and forgotten one

[Anya]

oh ok

[Anya]

VOTE: Haschel

would also vote for Andres

[Anya]

actually i wouldn't vote for Andres and it's outrageous that you would even suggest that of me

[Anya]

your frustrated reaction and asking to be voted feels like town to me

what did Asterus do

[Anya]

so asteria wolfreads andres because he didn't get the rvs response joke

i don't think not getting jokes is wolfy and it feels like a flimsy reason to wolfread someone over - could be fabricated in a fabrics shop

VOTE: Asteria

[Anya]

personally i prefer irrefutable nonsense over gut

[Anya]

so asteria wolfreads andres because he didn't get the rvs response joke

i don't think not getting jokes is wolfy and it feels like a flimsy reason to wolfread someone over - could be fabricated in a fabrics shop

VOTE: Asteria

I would like to point out I was responding to an rvs vote on myself with a joke about a N0 guilty on me. I was accused of escalating. I don't scumread Andres for not getting a joke. I scumread him for being overdefensive to a joke and turning it around on me as scummy

he read more frustrated to me in that post though like when he said it was gonna be a long game of poker

i think that implies you could be town and it's gonna be hard for him to deal with you or something like that

[Anya]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

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[Anya]

woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious

[Anya]

i actually secretly wolfread insidious and plan on shooting him tonight with my vigilante ability

it'd be really stupid for them to kill him

[Anya]

i act like i know asteria is town? i don’t think that slot is town at all but i can’t really find an angle i really feel like locks that slot in as scum for me

you act like you know andres is town

you act like you know you're town

[Anya]

OMG I FIGURED OUT HOW TO LINK POSTS!!!! gg guys!

it's over there's no way mafia can hide now that andante can link posts

[Anya]

i'm gandalf and i'll smite you down

[Anya]

not you andante

the bear

[Anya]

i use divine beam of death

[Anya]

VOTE: Salsabil

I'm just gonna put this down for now.

I really don't care for a summary of the game up till now (idk if anyone else does) I would prefer like a reads list, names and alignments, then just ellaborate why.... like, being completely honest, you feel like panicked scum entering here, and if you're town, sorry, I'm just saying it as it. like, there's no way you genuinely SR "the conversation between PawnsGambit and Anya on page 6 " I literally laughed at it... people having a good time...

what's up with all the "no fun allowed!!!" this game lmao

i like the way salsa came back after quitting from frustration earlier to force herself to effort

it feels like annoyed townie who's in the right whenever she calls out people wolfreading her

haschel might be dejected wolf who can't find his slippers so has to feel the cold hard floor underneath his feet and isn't comfortable yet

[Anya]

i'd like to mention now that i'm actually a dragon irl save the dragons so do your best to save me ok

[Anya]

that's because lemons is an emotionless group of robots learning to play mafia

[Anya]

watch this i'll break him:

lemons this statement is false

[Anya]

no no don't

[Anya]

just don't say anything else about your role

give it time people will realise you're town if you are (which i think you are right now) wagons don't last forever

[Anya]

"I know one thing," Socrates famously said. "That I know nothing."

[Anya]

i'm actually anakin who looks good but is secretly evil and you've got it all wrong bear

[Anya]

i am pure goodness

[Anya]

this statement is false

[Anya]

Andante consistently saying she's gonna lurk or take a break yet continuing to post constantly is pretty towny

[Anya]

I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.

Yes that obvious but i was trying to be discrete.

It must have been obvious to STD, too.

STD IS SCUM.

lol whut

lmao I had that same reaction, not sure that saying it's obvious I was a pr is a towny line?? but if it was obvious, why were you voting me? don't you not wanna vote out PRs??


also I'm not sure I like calling Dragons std...

why are one of these question marks solo Andante??

[Anya]

what does 1 2 7 3 mean

[Anya]

can someone explain to me in excruciating detail why asteria is wolf so i can feel good about voting her

[Anya]

VOTE: VFP

why you throwing out random accusations like darts into a haystack

the powers will resolve themselves since wolves have to kill the real ones at night

[Anya]

VFP can you say why you actually think i could be wolf i've been watching the TV recently

[Anya]

did dragon saver claim anything

i saw dkkoba claimed vigilante

[Anya]

it's weird you say i'm trying to self-preserve when i ignored pushes on green crayons and insideos lemons to go for T3

i've only been switching between T3 and pooky these last couple irl days, not picking whoever

mmm this feels like wolf who's annoyed they aren't being townread for something they thought should look towny while they were doing it

i feel like wolves are more likely to be aware of how they should be perceived like this like a UFO

[Anya]

So Andre is actually probably scum.
So is Anya.
Dk most likely town but at least will be shown later on.
Dragon is most likely town.

VOTE: Anya

Go here.

Why? Just curious what made you think this.

1987 feels like you know Green is going to flip town and you're shifting blame onto Pooky ready for the flip.
I already had suspicions on you from your posts around, and during the shit show though.

is that the wrong post link vfper

[Anya]

Dragons also went E-1 yesterday with like no one wanting to hammer it, yet all of a sudden votes fly his way cause we outed a 3rd pr??

do you think that makes him more likely town? he could be a scarecrow that the wolves keep giving cosmetic upgrades

[Anya]

i want to hammer the dragon don't try and stop me i'm crazy

[Anya]

i didn't post anywhere last few days just took a break from the site

[Anya]

have you even thought about the cred i'd get for slaying a dragon andante

[Anya]

he could just be wolf the posting around his claim wasn't great

[Anya]

Alright Pooky I decided I’m not going to stand in the way of an execution of the Green Crayons slot. I think STD is more likely to flip Scum, but I can see your points.

you quoted this one vfpppppppp

[Anya]

andres made that post??????????????????????

sorry i turned into osuka

[Anya]

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i must train to perfect his art form

[Anya]

i would never do such a thing vfp

and ok andante i'll hold off on hammering now but in 12 hours nothing can stop me mark my words

[Anya]

VOTE: Dragon Saver

no way are you stealing my dragon slaying cred nice try

[Anya]

Anya, who are your top fosses right now?

asteria vfp

can't remember disliking anyone else

[Anya]

see i told you guys dragon saver was town you should've listened

[Anya]

UNVOTE:
lets get anya for that quickhammer
VOTE: anya

is this you just fishing for alternatives to your timely demise

[Anya]

see i told you guys dragon saver was town you should've listened

why did you quickhammer them if u townread them?

it was a tactically deployed joke because i wanted to hide the egg on my face

why would mafia doc protect you?

[Anya]

actually why are you ever voting anyone who isn't VFP when they should be confirmed wolf to you

VOTE: Dkkoba

[Anya]

So koba town = vfp scum or is there another explanation?

wait actually i don't get this

weak dies on different alignment right?

so dkkoba lived while targeting VFP which implies VFP town if dkkoba is town

but then VFP didn't die for some reason

which could mean Dkkoba was roleblocked if town or is lying and wolf

how is VFP wolf in this scenario?

[Anya]

dkkoba how do you come to the conclusion that mafia protected you to keep you alive because you're weak targeting them and also protected themselves

that's so much tinfoil that i have plate armour sounds like meatballs to me

[Anya]

scum is salsa/vfp/asteria I think...

salsa doesn't fit in with those two

it's like you've grouped a priestess with some witches

[Anya]

VOTE: VFP

Scum team is just Andante / Andrea / Anya

Calling it.

the legendary An- team you got it

[Anya]

Lemons and Salsa are strong townreads right now.

Koba is probably scum.
Reading VFP is like reading Sanskrit
osuka started veryx towny and has since dropped off. AndresI'm not sure about. Anya and Pooky probably town.

i'm gonna take these maltesers and claim them as my own

salsa andante lemons town

dkkoba asteria vfp have blood lusters

[Anya]

joyful birthday vfp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anya]

so vfp is town unless we have a DkKoba asteria vfp house party exactly

[Anya]

is it "your" pool because you have some friends in there

[Anya]

and why are all the role claims automatically town

btw asteria i'm actually a town triple voter

[Anya]

did you say you were actually gonna shoot VFP?

[Anya]

bc if you did than yeah that check makes no sense

[Anya]

oh you're saying you're not VT vfp? that would make things easy

[Anya]

VOTE: Asteria

the gig's up asteria close the curtains

[Anya]

interesting who are the 3?

back here then VOTE: Dkkoba

[Anya]

interesting who are the 3?

back here then VOTE: Dkkoba

Dk Andante and Asteria.
Maybe it's Dk, convince me.

their reasoning about you somehow being wolf because of this bizarre scenario where there's 2 mafia docs who protected both you and them is baloney

[Anya]

who do you think is wolf for play and outside of all this role shenaniganary though they're probably loving all these asteroids flying all over the place when the real threat is the death star

[Anya]

who's the wolf that really wants vfp dead in that scenario? dkkoba's check honestly means nothing bc neither them or vfp died, it just means they were roleblocked or are lying

[Anya]

but why does that make us want to kill vfp? it just tells us dkkoba was blocked if they're town

oh wait is it bc DkKoba implied they were gonna kill vfp the day before and that's why a wolf vfp would roleblock them? i see i see i have my monocles on

[Anya]

so vfp is town unless we have a DkKoba asteria vfp house party exactly

like the more i think about it the less of a stretch this seems lol. is the wifom turning my brain to mush or is this just a holy trifecta of scum

it's such a pizza in the microwave move it'd be crazy

[Anya]

where did you actually imply you were gonna shoot at vfp can you quote it

[Anya]

dats has been awfully silent throughout all this suprised he has no nuggets of wisdom to offer to us

[Anya]

t3 could easily be demotivated wolf tbh he pops in regularly enough where it appears like he's reading but he doesn't really have any comments or reads to give and those are a lot more effort to fake as wolf so maybe he's fatigued and ran out of energy drinks

there's probably one wolf in dkkoba and asteria and it still feels dkkoba to me for the stuff they were saying earlier

so if it's between t3 and asteria VOTE: T3

[Anya]

the last time he did give reads they were quite similar to mine which i liked but that can only go so far without those reads being explained

it's like answering a tough maths question without showing your working what if he cheated show us you didn't cheat t3

[Anya]

t3 could easily be demotivated wolf tbh he pops in regularly enough where it appears like he's reading but he doesn't really have any comments or reads to give and those are a lot more effort to fake as wolf so maybe he's fatigued and ran out of energy drinks

there's probably one wolf in dkkoba and asteria and it still feels dkkoba to me for the stuff they were saying earlier

so if it's between t3 and asteria VOTE: T3

this makes no sense and feels like a last ditch effort to push the wagon off asteria lmao

no

[Anya]

dkkoba how do you come to the conclusion that mafia protected you to keep you alive because you're weak targeting them and also protected themselves

that's so much tinfoil that i have plate armour sounds like meatballs to me

interesting who are the 3?

back here then VOTE: Dkkoba

Dk Andante and Asteria.
Maybe it's Dk, convince me.

their reasoning about you somehow being wolf because of this bizarre scenario where there's 2 mafia docs who protected both you and them is baloney

i don't think you believe in the pasta you're boiling

[Anya]

i was roleblocked + i immediately thought of how docs could have stopped it because of the confirmed mafia doc info

if you thought you were roleblocked why were you reasoning about there being two wolf docs and vfp being wolf i just don't see how you get there naturally at all

[Anya]

i'm sheeping this highly insightful research paper thank you osuka

[Anya]

I don't have any strong feelings on salsa either way. I'm not particularly interested in that elim but they're in my scumpool

why are you putting someone you don't have a read on in your scumpool

[Anya]

reading back i still like andres for the town ball court tbh his frustration felt really towny back then

no one wants to bite for the t3 carrot?

[Anya]

FINE VOTE: Asteria

worst case scenario we can at least clear VFP

best case scenario she's wolf and we get big money

[Anya]

I don't have any strong feelings on salsa either way. I'm not particularly interested in that elim but they're in my scumpool

why are you putting someone you don't have a read on in your scumpool

i also didn't like her voting me and then later admitting she had nothing on me

feels like she's willing to vote on nothing even if she has no suspicions to verbalize keeping her suspect pool wide and healthy and wolves are gonna be more eager to run the shower hot

[Anya]

asteria/dkkoba + t3? + bear??

[Anya]

vfp gets quite a few laser pointers on them if asteria's wolf actually

[Anya]

I could see Lemons scum as well

he started out in a bulldozer but moved to a semi convertible recently true but the earlier stuff was still good

lemons why did you sell your bulldozer i liked it

[Anya]

~

more empty posting from dats a bold strategy for sure let's see how far he gets before town catches on

[Anya]

i thought VFP's little reaction test interaction with asteria was good actually

that didn't look like they were both up performing opera together

[Anya]

asteria looked genuinely confused there which means asteria if wolf is probably some kind of role cop or one of her teammates is at least

[Anya]

I haven't looked in depth, but Asteria has a generic iso at first glance and seems like a coinflip in the sense of alignment.

you should use a weighted coin then

[Anya]

VOTE: Dkkoba

unleash the tangerines or brace yourself for the salsa dip

[Anya]

its kind of dumb to elim a claimed vig tho

its not like koba can not shoot forever unless the mafia have an ungated roleblocker

and an ungated roleblocker seems way OP

anya feels super scummy :>

there's 1 wolf in the two probably and dkkoba was always my preference

[Anya]

kinda confused by the push on oranges i'm not seeing it i don't like the andres wagon either so i dunno where i'd vote if people really want to leave all the roles alone to hopefully sort themselves out

t3 for sure actually but no one seems interested in that which makes him even more appealing it's like when they tell you not to step onto the grass so you sprint onto it

[Anya]

VOTE: T4

yeah about time he upgraded to T4 imo

[Anya]

uh VOTE: T3

[Anya]

rise and shine maybe we should actually get a wolf today to mix things up VOTE: Dkkoba

rest well Andante

[Anya]

andante kill points to dkkoba over asteria as well

andante was happy to vote dkkoba but was very reluctant on asteria a lot towards the end

[Anya]

they were probably on me and were going to confirm me VOTE: asteria
now explain why THIS lived.

how would andante seeing you have a gun "confirm" you? it just means you're not the mafia doc and some random other wolf role

[Anya]

Andante has been killed night 2. she was a

town informed gunsmith

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the sun rises. it is now day 3.

wait what was Andante informed of

[Anya]

whos my partners if im scum

idk maybe the bear he did declare himself as sauron after all

[Anya]

even if you ignore all the role stuff dkkoba is howling

that self vote doesn't even come with any real emotion or frustration it's just an attempt to sway town

[Anya]

vfp has a paper bag on their head right now but they're right about the lemon check

idk why he targeted Pooky instead of resolving dkkoba or asteria who have already claimed and can be checked

[Anya]

asteria/dkkoba + t3? + bear??

Here’s the thing. This is a fascinating solve by Anya. Don’t you think? It heavily implies that a Traitor is present in the game. By this stage, you have a claim by Andante that there’s 4 guns, Koba is a claimed Weak Vig as per 2032, Andante is a claimed Gunsmith (but not in the solve, as per 1182, 1212), and Asteria is a claimed Neapolitan (2134). With a Mafia Doc, you know that either 2 of Asteria/Koba/Andante is Scum, or 1 is with a Traitor present. But they don’t seem to entertain the alternative at all if I’m not wrong. So if you TR Andante say, wouldn’t you speak about the entire situation, and how it could mean that both Asteria and Koba are Scum together?

i didn't see the 4 guns thing from andante

asteria and dkkoba were going for each other at the time and i felt like 1 of them was wolf

[Anya]

This is scum Anya.

get out of your swimming pool and into the ocean and see the big picture dolphin

[Anya]

I don't think it's possible for us to be playing in a 0 gun scum world because that would be massive trolling by Datisi and the NRG.

I'd like to mass claim to figure out what the setup is and where the best elim is today.

I am a Vanilla Townie.

clidd gun claim came last which is probably town dunno why he'd wanna put himself in that poe if he's wolf

also salsa was clearly town when she reacted to osuka

i'm vt

[Anya]

Note that you couldn’t convince Salsa to vote Crayons when they were approaching the precipice. I would go, what, DkKoba into clidd and if clidd flips Town, Insidious.

nah i think oranges if dkkoba wolf

asteria and dkkoba were gunning for each other
clidd claimed it last it's possible he and the other wolves really are that lost but i don't wanna count for that
oranges makes the most sense even though he's been towny tbh

pooky looks like he actually knows what he's talking about with this gun armoury business and the wolves probably claimed 2 gun roles and put themselves in this confuddle so he probably wasn't their advisor

[Anya]

this is a lil sad folks. can we not quicklim 11 hours into day 3 pls?

people make scum slips dude. it happens. how is pointing out what you see as a potential slip a bad thing? win/win because if you're right then it's possible the scum will flounder and if you're wrong then someone will usually point out why they think so and a good discussion can come of it. if i was gonna try and get asteria miselimed on a "scumslip" don't you think i would've tried to capitalize off something that was a little more thought out rather than just firing it off halfway through my shift?

p-edit because every-night roleblocker plus doctor is ludicrously scum-sided?

who were you worried about getting quick executed? you and dkkoba were both only on 2 votes

[Anya]

you should learn to read. why are you inferring from 63 that i think it's pocketing if i said very clearly in 61 that i didn't think it was? this is either a colossal misrep or a symptom of low brainpower. furthermore: why does my interpretation of andres' post influence _your_ read of it? In other words, why does my comment on it factor into whether or not _you_ think it's a pocketing attempt? most importantly, why does 63 influence your read of it but 61 does not?

Symptom of low brain power

???? Really bro??? If you can't play respectfully, don't bother to engage with me ever, please.
And I think you sHoUlD lEaRn tO rEaD on the first place. I didn't say your 63 refers that you think

Andresvmb

was pocketing you. I got the vibe that he was pocketing you from his 41, your 63 makes the feeling a bit strong to me. Your 61 has no impact on my read.

i don't think salsa is the type of player to fake this do you vfp

like she either got pepper sprayed as wolf which is hard to experience or she was getting mad as town which is far more likely

[Anya]

by hard to experience i mean it's a lot easier to get mad at what osuka said if you're town since he implied "symtom of low brainpower" if town and "colossal misrep" if wolf

[Anya]

ok so i just won a town game with anya in it - lowkey my read on anya has been flipping in it because of it, and i lean town on her here based off it now, even though her push on me is bad.

funny you say that bc you feel different this game and that was part of why i was sus of you

you have less conviction and town energy here

[Anya]

I think its most likely 1 scum with a gun.
A traitor of some sort and a doc seems mist likely as no gun.

So that means 2 of the 4 PR claims are scum.
If 2 scum have guns then 3 of the 4 PR claims are scum.

ready to vote dkkoba?

remember when they claimed to target you and thought it made you a wolf when you didn't die bc both them and you were protected by mafia docs?

remember how outlandish and unrealistic that was like we'd entered a circus full of triangles?

i remember

[Anya]

I'm leaning Lemons+ Asteria + {Andres or Osuka}

Dk stills null but can be scum by PoE if Lemons or Asteria isn't scum.

can i have some of that tea it looks good

[Anya]

you only have two votes on you...

this feels like an overreaction

[Anya]

I feel like we just have 1 scum in Dk + asteria and 1 scum in Lemons + Clidd

Right now I'm thinking asteria + Lemons as the scum team.
With a sprinkle of Anya.

we finally agree on something just boot asteria to the ice cream aisle and bring dkkoba in

and then you need to work on dusting off that anya sprinkle and you'll have a perfect doughnut

[Anya]

i'm beginning to convince myself that it is actually koba. as much as i abhor their (koba's) post history, clidd has backed up koba's own assertion that nothing they're doing is outside of their range for either alignment, and i could read much (not all) of koba's frustration as genuine.

n2 rolecop and non-con neo is not an unimaginable combination, but is n2 rolecop + non-con neo + informed gs even strong enough to go toe-to-toe with our hypothetical doctor + goon + traitor roleblocker scumteam, let alone if the roleblocker is a bonafide member of the mafia?

n2 rolecop + n1 detective is even weaker against those scumteams, and regardless i really don't get the sense that salsa is the type of player who would withhold night action info. nonetheless, in D1, salsa does indeed seem suspicious enough of you (1524, 1526, 1534, etc.) that i could believe she investigated you N1.

there's almost nothing to go off of D2 (i.e., after she would have checked you), but does 2489 really strike you as possible from a salsa who

knows

you didn't kill anyone the previous night? and does a salsa with this partially-absolving information on you, who was suspicious enough of you on D1 to emphatically state "you're scum!" (1524), withhold it the next day? it's almost unthinkable. i could see a universe where clidd skimmed salsa's iso for a player she pushed D1 and decided to claim something modest based off of that. the meagre nature of the claim, the safety of claiming an innocent result on an already-conftown player, and the perceived boldness/foolishness of this claim coming from scum could easily be enough to convince clidd to make this play.

but the last reason for me to think that my partner-in-truth is koba (and possibly most the convincing reason, though i leave that question to all of you) is this same thing i keep getting stuck on -- does a setup with a mafia doctor and

no town killing roles

seriously make it into the normal queue? all the claims are out. there's no reason for an unclaimed vig to lie at this point, that i can see. this is kind of an open question, so please tell me if you think it's possible this setup could in fact get past the review process. it just seems so unlikely to me that a setup so bastardly and deceptive would be allowed in a non-open game.

the more you humour them being wolf without actually voting for them the more i think you're partners

why not just pull the trigger

[Anya]

My vote is completely unrelated to mechanics.

I think Town!Koba more aggressively pushes me if they disagree with me, and I think they hold their ground a lot stronger. Hammering T3 after they had already identified them as Town low hanging fruit just doesn’t sit right me. I refuse to believe this is Town Koba.

i'm not familiar with koba's meta but the attempt to defend themself has been weak so far. combine this with the fact that i can finally reveal that i essentially

KNOW for a fact

that either Asteria or Koba or both are lying about having a gun (2 gunned mafia + me + Andante = 4; 1 gunned mafia + Andante + Asteria + me = 4) and voila. the second scenario is already a bit of a stretch to me because it relies on the existence of a traitor. asteria is very possibly lying as well

VOTE: DkKoba

UNVOTE:

wait you did vote for them earlier but then unvoted

why would you do this

[Anya]

saw the bbq was dying down and took some coals off sneakily and thought no one would notice?

[Anya]

i'm not here to eavesdrop on your conversations all the time unfortunately

[Anya]

what

[Anya]

why did you initially unvote them?

[Anya]

sounds zesty

lack of momentum on them and slowing things down are contradictory though what's the worry if there was no momentum anyway it's like hating rare steak so much that you burn it to a crisp

[Anya]

So far we have concerning who the PRs think are scum (correct me if I'm wrong)

Dk - Clidd + Lemons
Lemons - asteria + Clidd
Clidd - asteria + Lemons

Just need asteria to confirm who they think the 2 scum would be now.

i'd like to see you answer this asteria

[Anya]

look at this gun exclusive page

the 2 wolves in you 4 must love bickering with each other right now

[Anya]

this is why you don't carry guns even as town

it just makes you look guilty and results in innocent deaths

we should ban all guns and replace them with rocket launchers which are far harder to carry and generally cooler

[Anya]

clidd asteria interaction there looks decent in clidd interrogating and getting her to engage with him

less convinced on the dkkoba apples one but i might be in a mine without any lights

[Anya]

congratulations on the birthday tomatoes

[Anya]

It's quite difficult to judge what's going on in Dk's head tbh, regardless of alignment, but scum!they would probably be more inclined to avoid instances of AtE to increase the chance of survival, or at least maintain a minimum level of engagement with the game to extend the advantage of miselims (something that would fit into the scum!Dk scenarios I mentioned earlier). The absence of these elements makes the approach if scum, coming to D3, inconsistent.

is appeal to emotion seen as wolfy here? i've seen people townread it all the time

[Anya]

@Anya

If you are talking about the forum, it will depend on player to player, but in non-newbie games, critical thinking is usually greater (and more difficult for scum AtE to succeed).

In the context of scum!Dk, there would be more consistent alternative ways of playing the day, which is the point where I don't understand why emotional appeal would be a plausible option for them.

ok interesting

dkkoba plays on mu as well though so i wonder if they see it the same way

[Anya]

don't like this push from asteria clidd's still my best town in the gun armoury

also don't like how she's exclusively using salsa stuff and doesn't have anything to say about clidd since he entered maybe salsa is easier to case as wolf i wonder if dkkoba asteria is actually possible and the early stuff was them in a caravan

got anything on clidd asteria?

[Anya]

we didn't know lemons or clidd's claims yesterday though so the t4 vote wasn't made with the knowledge we have now and you other reasons don't seem like reasons to think he's a wolf

unless i'm completely lost?

[Anya]

asteria it'd really help if you linked posts when you gave your reasons on salsa

[Anya]

3900

[Anya]

maybe that case is intricately embroidered enough that asteria wouldn't be able to fake it on a partner

[Anya]

and clidd's questioning of her earlier didn't look like they share a home either

ok 1 max wolf in asteria clidd

[Anya]

i've still got my sniper target on dkkoba

don't worry it's actually just a laser pointer so doesn't count as a gun

[Anya]

when salsa said andante outed a "TPR" who was she talking about?

[Anya]

yeah that is weird but i dunno how much salsa had internalized what the gun stuff actually meant like i missed the 4 gun thing completely

her reaction to osuka and clidd being towny outweigh that stuff for her being a village dweller imo

[Anya]

i forgot this game existed when i woke up lol hi

also is anyone buying this when dkkoba's been really active in the days before? i wouldn't it's not even on discount

[Anya]

And anya are you really using backwards logic to case me? Yeah i forgot about the game i was honest about that. Wanna bring out more NAI stuff?

it's not backwards logic if you're a wolf you have incentive to make it look like you don't care that much and you'd forget about this game bc usually wolf games are on people's minds more

[Anya]

ok so i just won a town game with anya in it - lowkey my read on anya has been flipping in it because of it, and i lean town on her here based off it now, even though her push on me is bad.

anya has made it very clear they will only lim me - yes, they're basically confirmed scum here to me but like ?

funny how that works

dkkoba was fine calling me town earlier but when i kept persisting in calling them wolf i'm now "confirmed scum" to them

this is an impostor caught venting

[Anya]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

that's not true at all though i care so much too much really

[Anya]

vfp i think dkkoba and lemons for wolf guns

a lot less confident on oranges than dkkoba that turnaround on me from them is very very wolfy

they can think i'm suspicious for wrongly suspecting them sure but "confirmed scum" is definitely not genuine when they thought i was town just a little bit ago

[Anya]

that's not evolving that's an emergency surgery adding 5 limbs-ing

i don't think you go from town to confirmed wolf just bc my read on you doesn't change in 2 days

[Anya]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

i'm so deep under the surface in content i'm in the earth's core everyone needs to stop making this outlandish claim
anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

I'm kind of lazy rn, but iirc that's how town!Anya plays.

[Anya]

i fused what i said into the post that's how deep in i am

[Anya]

i didn't realise i walked into the dkkoba fan convention

i'll ship out lemons over clidd if it comes to it

[Anya]

only one in the 4 i actually feel is wolfy i've said why

clidd has a permit and lemons/asteria could go either way

[Anya]

ngl im actually thinking lemons/clidd are t/t and this is the weakest town pr pool ive ever played in

why don't you vote for dkkoba then

it could be dkkoba asteria and they're laughing at us from their hot air balloon right now

[Anya]

very hurtful towards smeagol

[Anya]

what brass did is completely different to game roles don't shoot at dats like that

[Anya]

ngl im actually thinking lemons/clidd are t/t and this is the weakest town pr pool ive ever played in

clidd is town but not lemon

i rly think asteria is best flip bc roleblocker read but like since i do tr clidd i think lemon is best

this is confusing me so much

hshavahaoziKahHhsjdhd

[Anya]

just brutally murder me at night if you're wolf i've already lost too many chips this game

i still don't see how that turnaround from you can come from town
i thought you were suspicious for a time in that brass game as well but you still thought i was town during it

and then there's that weird vfp and you were both healed theory from 2 days ago....

[Anya]

maybe wolves have realised they have to do some bussing at this point and that's why dkkoba is gunning for lemons

[Anya]

too late i'm telling brass and he's on his way

[Anya]

im baiting anya into hammering clidd to scumfirm her

lol sure

bear if you think this is steamy theatric classes you should vote to find out

[Anya]

help me drive the train into their heart

[Anya]

VOTE: dkkoba

that's L1

[Anya]

ok i'm bored of this day mould is starting to develop so i'll sheep you clidd

VOTE: Asteria

[Anya]

nah i think you're town just from your solving even if asteria's a wolf also i never thought her reaction testing early on looked like a drama class

[Anya]

VOTE: Dkkoba

another day another quest to vote out our first wolf let's see if we can finally do it

[Anya]

probably dkkoba lemons and then osuka over andres for the souffle

lemons is angling for a clidd vote here while dkkoba votes for him which is interesting going for the win while also putting the legwork in to create space between them

[Anya]

looking through yesterday's execution dkkoba and lemonsbarely talk to each other which is really weird considering lemons was calling dkkoba his strongest town at times while dkkoba was voting to kill him a lot

you'd think lemons would try more to askdkkoba why they're doing that or dkkoba would question lemons to see if they're possibly wrong but nope there's none of that dancing

they both talk to clidd plenty which would make sense since they need to convince clidd they're town since he's town but don't bother talking to each other bc they're partners in crime

LOCK THEM UP

[Anya]

maybe they're all traitors and using morse code to communicate with each other

[Anya]

meh i was calling clidd town before he thought i was town don't think i'm in any trenchcoats

lemons your side of the interactions are slightly better but the way dkkoba disregards you and forgoes any communication and then you stop trying is so strange

i'd think wolf dkkoba wouldn't alienate town lemons like that if lemons still thinks dkkoba is town why not call you a wolf while also having you townread them by interacting more

and i think town oranges would try harder to get through or talk about how dkkoba is ignoring them more rather than just give up

makes most sense if you're hired guns together