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This post is really terrible. It feels like scum taking an RVS interaction way too seriously.In post 42, Umlaut wrote:Why should I make any kind of post toward Seanzie? I read the thread, I saw Flubber joining a convenient wagon for disingenuous reasons, I voted him.-
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I also hate this post.In post 54, Datisi wrote:
fear not, i am here!
so, as i was skimming the game earlier, flubber's 26 immediately struck me as awful. i thought it was obvious that seanzie disliked something alchemist wrote (and isn't saying what it is) rather than voting him purely because he "posted more". so i was pleasantly surprised to see umlaut's 29. i don't find the rest of flubber's posts to be better either.
VOTE: flubber
@flubber, what do you find ridiculous about 34?
another person that i kind of dislike right now is alchemist. something feels very scummy-nitpicky about his 39/41/43. like, it feels wrong that alch ia shading umlaut for not pressing seanzie while going for flubber just because umlaut didn't find coyness townie. umlaut found flubber's push to be suspicious so he went there, why would town!umlaut automatically have to be evaluating the pushee as well?
reading 36 and 42 was a mindmeld. by the laws of the mindmeld theory, i must now locktown umlaut, right? realistically, probably a bit too early, but i do have pretty townie pings from him so far.-
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You put it better than I could.In post 66, Vulture wrote:I think I understand what T3 meant actually. The lightheartness, perhaps, translates a bit strangely.-
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Let me have bad reads in peace.In post 68, Datisi wrote:while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.-
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I already responded to this. Also, I think Titus's 'mindmeld' is towny.In post 76, Datisi wrote:
VOTE: t3In post 73, Datisi wrote:if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?-
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Oh wait NVM I didn't respond to this.In post 73, Datisi wrote:if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?-
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My post was like 50% a joke and also 50% this is also the "scummy I know how I play excuse"In post 81, Alchemist21 wrote:
This post is in a weird place between “I know it’s a joke” and “dude wtf” for me. I haven’t liked any of T3’s posts so far.In post 69, T3 wrote:
Let me have bad reads in peace.In post 68, Datisi wrote:while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.
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You make a good point, I was probably being somewhat hyprocritical.In post 80, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 69, T3 wrote:
Let me have bad reads in peace.In post 68, Datisi wrote:while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.
+1 to this.In post 73, Datisi wrote:if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?-
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Probably me?In post 85, Alchemist21 wrote:
Who/what is this in reference to?In post 82, Vulture wrote:How does one man who joins so many mafia games never learn.-
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He's right.In post 88, Seanzie wrote:
So uhh.... are you going to?In post 78, T3 wrote:
Oh wait NVM I didn't respond to this.In post 73, Datisi wrote:if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?-
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Oh, that. UNVOTE:In post 91, Datisi wrote:hate to be annoying, but... why are you voting umlaut then? >_>-
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In post 93, Datisi wrote:if that were almost anyone else, i'd start screaming for their head because they're obviously making it up as they go, but gut tells me this is not *completely* out of t3's townrange.-
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NowIn post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plzthisis scummy.
VOTE: Flubber-
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That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plz-
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I think that's part of the alt gimmick.In post 171, Lukewarm wrote:Datisis feels town to me.
Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.
I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.
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Town me kind of just ignores scumreads on me.In post 191, Datisi wrote:i was planning on asking aristeia about her reads before alchemist beat me to it, and i would be lying if i said i'm not slightly worried that her praise of me is meant to get me to like her when i shouldn't. what posts of mine gave you that idea of me and why?
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Not really happy, he's not a confident scumread.In post 197, Datisi wrote:hmm. aristeia, you're not wrong. i can be okay with that explanation for now. don't let me stop you from voting.
t3, i kinda... don't care for self-meta from the person i suspect? at least not such broad and vague self-meta. are you happy with your vote on flubber? why/why not?-
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#OverusedTellIn post 208, Flubbernugget wrote:
looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titusIn post 204, Titus wrote:
I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.-
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lmao whatIn post 221, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So I think I can elaborate what I was thinkingIn post 212, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If I have something substantial on that subject I willIn post 210, Datisi wrote:gamma, use your words please
I’m pretty sure T3 actuallywouldblurt stuff out randomly as scum-
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Oh, I know what's going on.In post 274, Gamma Emerald wrote:Before I post my reasons for TRing Aristeia, I have a bit of an odd question for Datisi:
Would you rather be a one-shot bulletproof or one-shot vigilante?-
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*confusion*In post 305, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How so? The more you evade, the more I’ll be convinced of my own picture of the situation, and trust me, it wouldn’t be a good one for you.In post 302, T3 wrote:I shouldn't say.
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It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.-
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After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.-
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istg i had a wall on this and it was my first wall i've ever posted and my internet crashed as i was submitting itIn post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: T3In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
You should know not to try this around me
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jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.In post 338, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?In post 328, T3 wrote:
After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.
VOTE: T3
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I am comfortable locktowning Datisi for 2 main reasons. First, his post frequency and length. Second, his reactions and frequency of reactions to other players. I am using 3 recent games as reference points. MBOS 12, Datisi was mafia, C9++, Datisi was town, and TTTT, Datisi was town.
1. Post frequency and length. Scum!Datisi frequently walls. His posts are on average 4+ sentences. His posts are also very detailed and contains a lot of repeating the same point over and over again, with different words but essentially the same this. MBOS 12 was a prime example of this. Meanwhile in TTTT and C9++ his posts are much shorter, usually 1-3 lines. From this we can clearly conclude that Datisi is town this game.
2. Reactions. Scum!Datisi and Town!Datisi have extremely different reactions to other player's posts. Scum!Datisi will usually wall in response to just one post addressing him. His tone will also feel less light-hearted when pressured. There is also the frequency Datisi reacts to other player's posts, and how often he quotes them. Scum!Datisi will usually quote people when responding, meanwhile town!Datisi quotes people much less. From a sample of Datisi's first 40 posts in MBOS he quoted other players 28 times. In his first 40 in TTTT he quoted other players10 times. This game, Datisi quoted people just 4 times in his first 40 posts.
Short version of the wall without specific post links.-
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It wasn't that big of a stir, but Gamma and you brought attention to it.In post 353, Alchemist21 wrote:
That’s the first thing you said I could actually believe. Calling attention to it the way you did isn’t really helpful to anyone but scum though.In post 350, T3 wrote:
jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.In post 338, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?In post 328, T3 wrote:
After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.
VOTE: T3
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Yes. While I did only look at one scumgame this is very recent and there is a pretty extreme difference.In post 365, Lukewarm wrote:T3, do you think your conclusions should be this strong when you looked at exactly 1 scum game?-
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Combing through Flubber's ISO I found this. I have a hard time believing Flubber thought Seanzie was actually pushing Alch.In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plz-
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What game was that?In post 389, Titus wrote:
T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his metaIn post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: T3In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.-
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uhIn post 419, Titus wrote:
Deco, your dying post on D2 before being nightkilled was Wheme was meta town.In post 415, T3 wrote:
What game was that?In post 389, Titus wrote:
T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his metaIn post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: T3In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.
wat?
Deco I was limmed Day 3 andWheme wasn't in the game.-
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You're reading way too deep into this.In post 450, MathBlade wrote:
VOTE: T3In post 447, T3 wrote:I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.
Policy til I am caught up.
Threatening to E-1 when a replacement comes in and denying town a chance to read me is scummy AF-
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