mini normal 2226; who won

[T3]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

[Datisi]

it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>

i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.

[T3]

oh come on, my scumgame is not *that* bad!!

[Alchemist21]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

That’s the first thing you said I could actually believe. Calling attention to it the way you did isn’t really helpful to anyone but scum though.

[Alchemist21]

it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>

i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.

It’s the only acceptable answer he could have given, but to call attention to the post then try to sweep it under the rug instead of giving their thoughts looked more like scum going “shit I fucked up and this looks bad, let’s hope they forget about it and it goes away.”

[Gamma Emerald]

After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.

istg i had a wall on this and it was my first wall i've ever posted and my internet crashed as i was submitting it

I’ll believe it, but I’d like to see some trace of it before I move my vote

[Gamma Emerald]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

This also tracks I think
It kinda feels like how he acted in Mini 2213, but less shady, as ludicrous as it seems

[Alchemist21]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

This also tracks I think
It kinda feels like how he acted in Mini 2213, but less shady, as ludicrous as it seems

Are you saying he’s acting less shady now than in a previous Town game?

[Gamma Emerald]

it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>

i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.

It’s the only acceptable answer he could have given, but to call attention to the post then try to sweep it under the rug instead of giving their thoughts looked more like scum going “shit I fucked up and this looks bad, let’s hope they forget about it and it goes away.”

I’ve seen T3!scum do something like this, I don’t think is it

[Gamma Emerald]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

This also tracks I think
It kinda feels like how he acted in Mini 2213, but less shady, as ludicrous as it seems

Are you saying he’s acting less shady now than in a previous Town game?

Than in a scum game

[T3]

I am comfortable locktowning Datisi for 2 main reasons. First, his post frequency and length. Second, his reactions and frequency of reactions to other players. I am using 3 recent games as reference points. MBOS 12, Datisi was mafia, C9++, Datisi was town, and TTTT, Datisi was town.

1. Post frequency and length. Scum!Datisi frequently walls. His posts are on average 4+ sentences. His posts are also very detailed and contains a lot of repeating the same point over and over again, with different words but essentially the same this. MBOS 12 was a prime example of this. Meanwhile in TTTT and C9++ his posts are much shorter, usually 1-3 lines. From this we can clearly conclude that Datisi is town this game.

2. Reactions. Scum!Datisi and Town!Datisi have extremely different reactions to other player's posts. Scum!Datisi will usually wall in response to just one post addressing him. His tone will also feel less light-hearted when pressured. There is also the frequency Datisi reacts to other player's posts, and how often he quotes them. Scum!Datisi will usually quote people when responding, meanwhile town!Datisi quotes people much less. From a sample of Datisi's first 40 posts in MBOS he quoted other players 28 times. In his first 40 in TTTT he quoted other players

10 times

. This game, Datisi quoted people just 4 times in his first 40 posts.

Short version of the wall without specific post links.

[T3]

2213 I was on a troll alt -> hard to meta me by.

[T3]

2213 I was on a troll alt -> bad game to meta me by.

EBWOP

[T3]

So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

That’s the first thing you said I could actually believe. Calling attention to it the way you did isn’t really helpful to anyone but scum though.

It wasn't that big of a stir, but Gamma and you brought attention to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m satisfied with that explanation.
VOTE: MegAzumarill
I think she’s scum based on her way she’s parked her vote on Titus

Btw, just because it was a troll alt doesn’t mean the play isn’t comparable.

[Lukewarm]

T3, do you think your conclusions should be this strong when you looked at exactly 1 scum game?

[Alchemist21]

Ok. My vote’s staying then unless that meta wall looks extraordinarily Towny.

EBWOP: You ninja’d me with it. Let me look through these.

[Lukewarm]

Although, I am prepared to town read t3 for that post tbh

[Alchemist21]

It wasn't that big of a stir, but Gamma and you brought attention to it.

Nah this one’s still on you. You’re the one who said they saw something.

[Gamma Emerald]

I will admit my reason for calling attention to it was kinda petty

[T3]

T3, do you think your conclusions should be this strong when you looked at exactly 1 scum game?

Yes. While I did only look at one scumgame this is very recent and there is a pretty extreme difference.

[Alchemist21]

Fuck it, I don’t have time to sort through all Datisi’s threads to find the games right now. If T3 cared enough to he’s probably just Town anyway.

VOTE: Flubber

[Datisi]

hm. i feel like it's a bad idea to try to meta me by (1) looking at only one scumgame, and (2) looking at only a scumgame where i had a quasi post restriction for 85% of the game.

however, the effort seems townie, and the conclusions check out. i still insist that whether i wall or not is a result of my mood and not my alignment, but i *think* this checks out with those games? they're all linked on my wiki if anyone wants to see for themselves.

though skimming through my iso of c9++, i kinda feel like i was quoting people and making wallposts there too... still shelfing this as Town For Effort for now because idk why scum!t3 does this. i feel like i've heard somewhere that scum!t3 likes to do townreads on townies but this feels a bit unnecessary. idk.

[Datisi]

though for the next two-three weeks i will be super aware of every single post i make in every game i play, so thanks i guess

[Alchemist21]

still shelfing this as Town For Effort for now because idk why scum!t3 does this. i feel like i've heard somewhere that scum!t3 likes to do townreads on townies but this feels a bit unnecessary. idk.

I agree with you, scum very rarely metadive anyone because they have no need to and don’t feel like spending the energy reading other games.