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[House]

Blatantly getting chainsawed by Titus rn

Isn't she voting DotW?

[House]

Can't say I'm in disagreement with Titus about DotW's reads, tbh.

Same, but at the same time her posting feels geared towards stopping the Gamma wagon by any means, the shade on me is just lazy

Possibly do, but does that make her scum?

I defend townreads. I've personally known Titus to play mother hen to someone that was going through problems that were not directly game related.

I'm not seeing scum!Titus, here.

[House]

Can't say I'm in disagreement with Titus about DotW's reads, tbh.

Same, but at the same time her posting feels geared towards stopping the Gamma wagon by any means, the shade on me is just lazy

Possibly so*, but does that make her scum?

I defend townreads. I've personally known Titus to play mother hen to someone that was going through problems that were not directly game related.

I'm not seeing scum!Titus, here.

[House]

as I want is an antitown move. I really think he’s scum

if you think im scum why is it anti-town to try to pl me?

It's easy for scum to hide behind pl to push a miselim.

[House]

It's easy for scum to hide behind pl to

push a miselim

ty for TMIing me

You say to the guy who was voting Gamma at your request before you alienated me.

[House]

I don't see what you knowing that I'm a miselim has to do with you voting Gamma. Are you suggesting that I should town read an active lurk Ythan b/c you were voting him?

I have never voted Ythan.

Players who consider someone town automatically assume they're a miselim.

I shouldn't have to give you that basic lesson.

[House]

gamma is ythan

I know this.

It looked to me like you were trying to imply that i did not vote that slot until Ythan was in it.

I corrected the record.

[House]

Players who consider someone town automatically assume they're a miselim.

Why would you agree to pl me if you thought that? I think you and DBG are just scum hiding behind the "Nero is toxic" bullshit

Because you're toxic.

I don't really care if you flip IC after the mod confirmed your alignment at this point.

[House]

I still consider A50 a great elimination, btw.

[House]

I'm only toxic if you are scum

You're toxic because you treat people like crap.

End of story.

[House]

I just want to end this day regardless of who the lim land on, myself.

Even me.

[House]

Kerset is town despite being red

I’m kinda feeling this

Also I’m just gonna UNVOTE: because pushing Nero seems to not be working out for me but I s2g if Nero ends up being scum I’m gonna be pretty damn mad at Titus if she’s town because it would be the second time town!Titus defended a scum I was pushing

Why?

Do you expect Ythan to speak to Gamma's reasons?

[House]

Gamma and CSF aren't scum together.

[House]

Why, DGB?

+1

[House]

Titus
MathBlade
Cat Scratch Fever
Ythan
ssbm_Kyouko
DrippingGoofball
Nero Cain
Wake88
Andresvmb
Kerset
Almost50
Dragon of the West

That's about where I am.

[House]

I'm going to bed at the moment. Will be up around 8PM my time zone to read up on the game thread. Don't do anything stupid before I have a chance to read and give my input.

Come back!

[House]

Interesting that Titus scumread CSF for post and vanish, but hasn't mentioned anything about Wake88 doing so.

[House]

I lowkey thought you made post 510. Wow that's going to trip me up.

I'm sure that'd be against some rule somewhere.

[House]

Dragon wagon is righteous.

[House]

Why, DGB?

A pattern of opportunism, questions without follow through, and 0-calorie posts to pad the post count and simulate presence.

You think so?

I found her posts to be rather fattening. I've put on 5 pounds since she started participating.

[House]

VOTE: DOTW

This wagon isn't bad.

Dragon wagon is righteous.

Really why

Read his posts.

[House]

VOTE: DOTW

This wagon isn't bad.

Dragon wagon is righteous.

Really why

Read his posts.

Also, righteous because I'm in the company of my top townreads.

[House]

DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)

Are these supposed to rhyme?

Yes, but not in the way you are asking.

The text in parenthesis are a nursery rhyme.

[House]

DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)

Are these supposed to rhyme?

Yes, but not in the way you are asking.

The text in parenthesis are a nursery rhyme.

Yeah but like, one and down? I guess i haven't heard it in a while.

Read the whole thing. Not just the bit you quoted.

[House]

VOTE: DOTW

This wagon isn't bad.

Dragon wagon is righteous.

Really why

Read his posts.

Now answer my question.

I already did.

Also, righteous because I'm in the company of my top townreads.

[House]

VOTE: DotW

Distancing

+townpoints

Except, not.

[House]

VOTE: DOTW

This wagon isn't bad.

Dragon wagon is righteous.

Really why

Read his posts.

Now answer my question.

I already did.

Also, righteous because I'm in the company of my top townreads.

Also, Titus made a good case.

[House]

Enjoy my first TR though. Right for wrong reasons works.

That has to be a record for the fastest you've ever considered me town.

Probably the fastest I've TRed anyone. I came to play.

Is that accurate, House?

At a glance I don't like that she's Townreading you that quickly. Then again if she's trying to be unpredictable that could help her be less readable. Just gonna put a pin in that for now.

I can't accurately answer that question, as I've been away for years.

I believe the assertion, though.

[House]

DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)

Are these supposed to rhyme?

Yes, but not in the way you are asking.

The text in parenthesis are a nursery rhyme.

Yeah but like, one and down? I guess i haven't heard it in a while.

Read the whole thing. Not just the bit you quoted.

(I'm saying one and down don't rhyme)

(I'm saying they're not supposed to)

[House]

Oh duh.

Just read the post again.

Interesting.

[House]

The lyrics are accurate, however.

(It's a song, not a rhyme)

[House]

Enjoy my first TR though. Right for wrong reasons works.

That has to be a record for the fastest you've ever considered me town.

Probably the fastest I've TRed anyone. I came to play.

Is that accurate, House?

At a glance I don't like that she's Townreading you that quickly. Then again if she's trying to be unpredictable that could help her be less readable. Just gonna put a pin in that for now.

I could see motive for that okay from either alignment.

That's not the basis for my read on her.

[House]

Enjoy my first TR though. Right for wrong reasons works.

That has to be a record for the fastest you've ever considered me town.

Probably the fastest I've TRed anyone. I came to play.

Is that accurate, House?

At a glance I don't like that she's Townreading you that quickly. Then again if she's trying to be unpredictable that could help her be less readable. Just gonna put a pin in that for now.

I could see motive for that play* from either alignment.

That's not the basis for my read on her.

[House]

Yeah it was aimless shade but it’s very early.

Now why would you say that, Gamma?

I don't like the idea of shade being "aimless." Last I checked throwing shade for no reason sure as Hell doesn't read Town to me. It being early doesn't matter much at all.

Do me a solid... read my last 50 posts and give me a quick and dirty opinion of my slot.

I won't hold you to it after a thorough read. It's more for other reasons.

[House]

Yeah it was aimless shade but it’s very early.

Now why would you say that, Gamma?

I don't like the idea of shade being "aimless." Last I checked throwing shade for no reason sure as Hell doesn't read Town to me. It being early doesn't matter much at all.

Do me a solid... read my last 50 posts and give me a quick and dirty opinion of my slot.

I won't hold you to it after a thorough read. It's more for other reasons.

You're not trying to rush me, are you?

You had better hope you aren't.

I'll be combing my way through at my own pace. What's the point of rushing? We've got time.

Obviously not, as I already told you that I wouldn't hold that opinion against you after a thorough read.

Why are you so paranoid about a simple request?

[House]

I don't see how people are comfortable stating a read on Gamma either way this really in the game.

There's either some serious underestimation going on or an agenda is being pushed somewhere.

I like the first sentence.

The second sentence pings my gut as being superfluous.

I want your feedback, House.

It could have been. I dunno.

I was basically giving detail about why I thought the first sentence.

[House]

Damn your paranoia.

My request was not selfish in nature.

[House]

Up!

[House]

Damn your paranoia.

My request was not selfish in nature.

Last I checked my paranoia is justified.

I will eat you alive if you give me a reason.

Don't overestimate your abilities.

Butting heads with me will lead to no place good for either of us OR town.

[House]

Damn your paranoia.

My request was not selfish in nature.

Last I checked my paranoia is justified.

I will eat you alive if you give me a reason.

Don't overestimate your abilities.

Butting heads with me will lead to no place good for either of us

OR

town.

I may be rusty, but I DO know how to hunt.

Are you saying you're not Town, House?

I'm assuming that was just a gaffe, right?

It was a warning.

[House]

It was a warning.

I don't think there has ever been a time that a warning has kept me from seeking answers from anyone.

Instead of leveling a warning, it may be a better play for you to roll with the punches and engage.

I promise it would make your life easier.

Keep being confrontational with me when you haven't even read 1/3 of the game, and you're going to get your hands full quick.

[House]

Whooo! Shiny wagon!

Back to writing my novel.

What do you make of Wake's attitude?

[House]

Personally, I don't care for it.

If he had had the common decency to read the posts i asked him to, he wouldn't have responded in the tone he's taken with me if he was town.

Instead, he decided to agitate my already unstable state in what feels like an effort to cause another fight.

I'm done with him & the game tonight.

[House]

Hey everybody. Here's the deal.

We're all from Asia now, which means we hate the people from the West. Particularly those who appropriate symbols of our culture, like the Dragon.

So we're eliminating DotW.

Please tell me this is a joke.

Titus is lock town but really needs to think about what she types…

This is like

facepalm bad

You misspelled hilarious.

[House]

Meds taken.

Bedtime.

[House]

The reason I'm so frustrated is because I reached out to Wake in good faith for a favor that was for HIS benefit (to give him a picture of my current mental state).

I made it pretty clear his reads weren't even the point of the exercise.

His confrontational attitude right off the bat without considering the possibility that I might have an actual reason for my request kinda pissed me off.

Fucking meds aren't kicking in quick enough. They take longer when I'm agitated.

[House]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

As I said before just reading his last 50 posts leaves out a lot of context. That's sloppy.

I'm still catching up, so just ISO'ing a player's posts leaves an incomplete picture of everything that was actually being said.

Now this post, this feels real.

I had the exact opposite reaction.

+1

[House]

naw, Wake catching up. House wanting him t drop what he was doing and read 1/4 of his ISO was dumb. Houses "I don't like Wake's attitude." sounds kinda fabricated.

Fuck off with that bullshit.

You've causes enough damned problems for one day.

[House]

caused*

[House]

I think I'm kinda townreading Wake's responding to current posts during catch-up.

Makes his contributions feel more genuine.

Not necessarily a fan of everything he's saying, but the action itself (bouncing back and forth) feels town.

Or, my meds are kicking in. I do feel woozy.

I'll see how i feel about it tomorrow.

[House]

As i said they act strange bc of friendship not alignment

We haven't played together (and thus, spoken) in years.

Him taking a shit attitude with me out the gate does not exactly scream, "hey dude, long time no see!"

[House]

Spoiler:

Okay so I just finished reading through everything...I'm coming to the conclusion that D1s really frustrate me. Quick reads:

A50 - null; not enough content to read. Anyone familiar with A50's town vs scum play? I only played one game with them where they were scum and just seemed disengaged most of the time, similar to here so far.
Andre - townlean; not much content but what was there, I liked for town. reminds me of 233
CSF - mostly null; tone has seemed fine
DGB - townlean; I'm a little confused about how the whole hood thing played out but the way DGB came clean about the 'gambit' and explained the hood interactions in detail struck me as town-ish. Although, I disagree that claimed masons get targeted by scum for NK. the games I've seen so far the claimed masons/neighbors/mason-lites just get kept alive as weak PRs that people get paranoid about
Gamma - null to townlean; this seems like inquisitive town!Gamma for the most part. Seems to be a little more in the driver's seat here from other games I've played with them, but idk if that's AI
House - not sure what to make of this slot. maybe scumlean? some posts seem like they're acting from an informed position or agenda-y, but other ones also strike me as engaged and hunting. not sure if that's just busy-work, though
Kerset - null, no content
MathBlade - scumlean; I think if one of DGB or MathBlade is scum, it's this slot. Paranoia about getting investigated, "botching" the crumb/claim and then using that to cast suspicion on DGB seemed off and kinda scummy. I think they backtracked their DGB read when they realized it might get them killed either before DGB or right after
Nero - honestly, Nero is a mystery to me. Every game he seems to have a tinfoil paranoia hat on that makes no sense to me and sounds like he's just slinging conspiracy theories around and I get paranoid he's scum and then he ends up being town and his theories end up being right. I don't think I'll be on board for a D1 Nero lim
Kyo - null to townlean; thought process and questions seem like town!Kyo
Titus - townlean; much more engaged and aggressive early compared to what I saw in 233 where they were scum. They said they play very different game to game so again not sure if AI but tone strikes me as town
Wake - null, no content

VOTE: MathBlade
Hopefully I'll have more time to be around for discussion tomorrow

So the only slot we're in any major disagreement on is MathBlade, but I'm scum?

Also, on this, when you read like 650 posts and are forming one-liner reads on every player in your first post based on impressions, I think it's easy to not recognize every stance a specific player has taken, and not bias yourself into TRing someone for having similar views. This doubt of yours aligns with the "mindmeld" reasoning you yourself provided for TRing Nero earlier though, so this weighs +town. I'd just like to point out the doubt is likely misplaced if you actually think about the context of Dragon's post

I like this post.

[House]

says the person thats voted nothing but town today.

How would you know?

MUST BE TMI!

Sounds stupid, right? It did when you pulled that shit, too.

[House]

Thanks for the advice on how not to be toxic Nero lol.

Fucking. Lol.

[House]

I'd vastly prefer DGB/ythan/math over Titus. I mean maybe Titus is just scum that knows my reads are bad instead of being town that is talking out of her ass but she's sorta null town for me.

VOTE: house

Lol.

[House]

There have been all town hoods, scum/scum hoods, town/scum hoods. Given that in my recent games

I've played with a S/S hood

and a T/S hood I felt like it was fairly likely that it was following the trend and putting scum in a 2 person hood and therefore we'd have a 50% chance of eliminating scum in you and math today.

... does not mesh with...

And there's at most 1 scum between the 2 of you anways

VOTE: Nero

Fair to high chance your toxicity is coming from a scum agenda to create noise.

[House]

I mean, the S/S hood was 1 mafia and 1 traitor so in the event that Math/DGB was S/S the traitor should be left alone b/c it dies once main scum are killed.

Nope.

Anyone who isn't green counts against town's majority.

Red is dead. Period.

[House]

But who says a traitor exists at all?

Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.

[House]

Come back to the dragon wagon.

I'm not opposed to quickhammering it.

I'm tired of not voting the toxic dude, though.

[House]

You ran my friend off.

That shit has consequences.

[House]

Anywho.

VOTE: DotW

[House]

I didn't say anything about Gamma.

Drop it.

[House]

Nero, I owe you an apology.

I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to Gamma because he's in a pretty fragile state right now. That said, I know I can't expect everybody else on the site to be tracking everything he's shared here.

While I also take the aggressive, confrontational approach when it comes to hunting scum, I temper it when I know that someone has issues behind the scenes they are dealing with and it just set off all kinds of triggers that you weren't doing that.

I was projecting, and I shouldn't have done that.

[House]

Who do you scumread?

Good question.

I'm tired of trying to humor Radioactive Man.

VOTE: Kerset

Could also vote DotW.

Tbh it just sounds like you're echoing Titus because you don't like that I have a scumlean on you

You say like i should care what you think of me.

That's cute.

[House]

Wake88
Andresvmb
Kerset
Almost50
Dragon of the West

If scum!House, I think it's likely they put at least one buddy this low in their list.

I think it's the last dude.

[House]

Personally, I don't care for it.

If he had had the common decency to read the posts i asked him to, he wouldn't have responded in the tone he's taken with me if he was town.

Instead, he decided to agitate my already unstable state in what feels like an effort to cause another fight.

I'm done with him & the game tonight.

Don't forget to take your bow for completing a wonderful, theatrical performance!

*deep bow*

Thank you, thank you!

I'll be here all week!

[House]

But who says a traitor exists at all?

Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.

Pretty sure this is a blatant misrep. Up until this point Nero's only mention of a traitor was when discussing a S/S hood...pretty much always in response to you

And he's the one that introduced the idea.

And he's the one that mentioned it the second time.

It's pretty desperate to try to shade objectively true statements.

[House]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

Nope. No revisions.

I'm on VLA and scrolling wallposts.

I don't see good faith in you for shading me over not spending hours analyzing encyclopedias while I'm on vacation.

[House]

No way you town read me all game then say we counterclaim now.

Titus is counterclaiming twins, not your role.

Context. Reread the post

[House]

But if Titus is scum it’s Titus + A50 + 1

Pick me! Pick me!

[House]

Plus, A50 used me in his calculations MathBlade. Now they're all suspect.

(Inside joke, an obscure nickname I have is e because MathBlade got Pi.)

I thought since he got Pi yours would be Cake

We're too irrational for that.

Vouch, but for different reasons.

[House]

I am confused because you’re claiming very similar to me Titus and I have been giving crumbs to you when I thought you were town and I am getting the same thing back and I am just what?

This doesn’t make sense.

The last crumb makes me think you’re claiming traitor which you wouldn’t do.

But if Titus is scum it’s Titus + A50 + 1

I am not eating your crumbs. Not my job, since everything should be in the open for what I need. I don't see why a neighbor needs crumbs anyway.

I counterclaim.

Everybody knows I'm the one that lacks nuance.

[House]

Something I am missing here.

(It's been pointed out twice, once by me)

[House]

And you missed my crumbs missy!

A task for after my vla. I'm just joshing around with tone until I can go back.

Why do you trust me enough to crumb to me when I am suspect of your claim?

Because either the exact scum team is House + A50 + you or you’re town gtg

Yay! He picked me!

[House]

As much as I hate to say this; I think this proves Math is Town here.

No Math is just still paranoid touchy probably scum.

-1

[House]

House prob is though

VOTE: House

Which appendage am I worth?

[House]

my pinky toe

I refuse to die for anything less than a finger.

[House]

If I'm mafia I kill Math
If I'm a town doc I'll protect a50
If I'm a vig I'll vig I'll vig Andre
if im a town cop I invest kyo
if im a tracker I track House

This isn't real at all.

Why in the world would you not just shoot me if you were a vig?

You've been crying real tears for my death all day and haven't whined at all about Andre.

I. Don't. Believe. You.

[House]

But who says a traitor exists at all?

Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.

Pretty sure this is a blatant misrep. Up until this point Nero's only mention of a traitor was when discussing a S/S hood...pretty much always in response to you

And he's the one that introduced the idea.

And he's the one that mentioned it the second time.

It's pretty desperate to try to shade objectively true statements.

My issue with what you said wasn't the fact: "Nero has mentioned traitors". It's that you phrased it that he "can't stop bringing them up" to throw shade in the first place. It's pretty obvious that he's noting it as a caveat and I think you look scummy trying to paint him in a bad light for it

Omgus away. Cakez will be thrilled to have some company.

[House]

But who says a traitor exists at all?

Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.

Pretty sure this is a blatant misrep. Up until this point Nero's only mention of a traitor was when discussing a S/S hood...pretty much always in response to you

And he's the one that introduced the idea.

And he's the one that mentioned it the second time.

It's pretty desperate to try to shade objectively true statements.

My issue with what you said wasn't the fact: "Nero has mentioned traitors". It's that you phrased it that he "can't stop bringing them up" to throw shade in the first place. It's pretty obvious that he's noting it as a caveat and I think you look scummy trying to paint him in a bad light for it

Omgus away. Nero* will be thrilled to have some company.

Fix't

[House]

Moonsolve: Nero thought to specify the town alignment of the doc and cop in that post because he or a partner is a scum doc or cop.

Why does scum need a cop role?

[House]

You ran my friend off.

That shit has consequences.

Like me!

Request granted.

[House]

Moonsolve: Nero thought to specify the town alignment of the doc and cop in that post because he or a partner is a scum doc or cop.

Why does scum need a cop role?

If a traitor exists they would maybe?

I was more interested in his reasoning for the cop role than possible legit reasons a scum cop might exist, but thank you sir.

[House]

House I saw you vote me in that site ideas thread and my heart sunk for a second.

I'd have put this spam there but ongoing game.

Yeah, this was probably the best place for your post.

Learn to compartmentalize.

[House]

Vote Count 1.22

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Almost50, House

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House and Titus are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

This wagon is bad people. I have been on V/LA and House and Titus have been and no consolidation is happening…

Do something people.

Will be afk tomorrow too.

Lead by example.

[House]

Do something people.

Will be afk tomorrow too.

Sigh

Tbf, i will too.

And the day after that.

And the day after that.

And so on, until Friday.

Although, I'm sure I'll find enough time to make some superficial game-related content in the evenings to avoid the ire of the game mod. (Like now)

[House]

This also has reminded me to ask an interesting question.

Math, you've been fussing at me for "outing" your pr. But House was the one yelling and screaming that you and DGB weren't masons. What's the difference here b/c it seems fairly similar to me.

It's almost like we weren't able to coordinate our agendas.

See how well we distance? You could learn from us.

[House]

I prefer to elim someone who is active and badposting. Inactive players should just be replaced or vigged.

I think Titus is town, and I'm not interested in a wagon there today. Mathblade I'm not really sure how to read.

I probably prefer Andres to A50, but those don't have to be the only choices for today imo. What did you dislike about A50's votes?

Make up your mind.

[House]

Literally an opportunistic vote on the largest wagon.

I mean, I'm used to some of us old fucks being trollishly surface level scummy as town to fuck with people who have level 0 play, and that looks like what's going on here.

You're judging A50 like noobscum, which he is not.

VOTE: Wake88

Tataru.

[House]

VOTE: Wake88

Not my favorite but the DotW wagon keeps dying.

I'd be happy to lolhammer it if he gets to E-1.

Standing invitation.

[House]

I will catch up - I got distracted while reading and I’ve had stuff come up.

Also it's fun how page 65 distracted you, while you were catching up past pages (unless you read backwards)

That's a bit of a stretch, tbh.

It's not uncommon to peep current events during ketchup.

[House]

Ugh I have to consolidate and pick one.

VOTE: Almost50

I am torn by this but I think this makes the most sense then if A50 flips town I learn a lot and if scum I learn a lot whereas with the Wake wagon he’s had like no interactions.

Pedit: lmao

Maybe we will see

You're playing that 4d chess.

I just want to kill scum.

[House]

Ugh I have to consolidate and pick one.

VOTE: Almost50

I am torn by this but I think this makes the most sense then if A50 flips town I learn a lot and if scum I learn a lot whereas with the Wake wagon he’s had like no interactions.

Pedit: lmao

Maybe we will see

You're playing that 4d chess.

I just want to kill scum.

I want to elim scum too??

I'm not trying to discourage what you're doing.

I'm just saying you're operating in more dimensions than I'm capable of conceiving.

Alls I can do is follow my 2d vision.

[House]

seems like you'd lol hammer alot of players.

#fact

[House]

doesn't make u town though

#fact

[House]

And you still can't get me limmed.

Get some ice for that butthurt.

[House]

I await ur witty retort.

A thousand pardons for the inconvenience, m'lord!

Without further ado...

I'm in a game of mafia with other hardheaded ppl that

think

their reads are better than mine.

You misspelled 'know'.

(Also, your inability to sway them is, by definition, a reflection of your abilities)

[House]

There are only 3 scum in this game so not everyone can be right so tell me who are the ppl with the correct reads

Are you ready for this one? It's a corker...

NOBODY!

It's day freaking one.

[House]

House in c’mon and obvTown jail.

That's disingenuous, Pi.

You're quite familiar with the fact that I'm never obvtown.

*Pinky toe of suspicion*

[House]

just b/c its d1 doesn't mean ppl can't find scum

You're really good at pointing out the obvious.

You deserve, like, a title for that.

[House]

I'm gonna try my hand at stating the obvious, let me know how I do:

The only players with any right to have absolute confidence in their reads on d1 are the informed minority, because they're not speculating with zero hard evidence on which to base an opinion.

How'd I do?

[House]

The only players with any right to have absolute confidence in their reads on d1 are the informed minority

u mean like u?

[House]

Like I wanna just townread everyone but my gut says no

So does common sense.

[House]

just b/c Nero can't get me isn't a reflection of my abilities it just means that I'm in a game of mafia with other hardheaded ppl that think their reads are better than mine. Also its kinda gross that you are taunting me but you are Nero so w/e. I await ur witty retort.

Ftfy

What about my statement was wrong? Do you not think your reads are better than mine and that you are right and I am wrong? Do you think the 6 other town besides us and DOTW think thier reads are the right ones?

let's run up House, wonderful things will happen.

Start with the left leg. You'll get to the goods quicker.

[House]

I have to give you half credit, Nero.

You were on track to vote House. You just picked the wrong one.

[House]

Do you think House is scum? I hope so because you want to elim him.
Titus doesn’t.

This means you think your reads are better than Titus’s

That’s like an objective fact

Which is hilarious, that the dude who's never even met me and barely ever played with me thinks he knows me better than Titus, who has spent 2 TitusMeets putting up with my shenanigans IRL and played tons of games with me.

But oh no. The all knowing Nero has special insight as to my alignment.

This is why I troll him.

[House]

Why are we all talking about general Mafia theory and not this game.

We're not.

We're talking specifically about this game.

Look beyond the surface, manfriend.

[House]

It looks an awful lot like you are just fluffing the thread up.

That's just a happy side effect.

Stop undermining my read of you.

[House]

Which is hilarious, that the dude who's never even met me and barely ever played with me thinks he knows me better than Titus, who has spent 2 TitusMeets putting up with my shenanigans IRL and played tons of games with me.

Does Titus town read you?

Also, the idea that one can't find scum unless who "know" them is silly.

The idea some rando can read a chaotic player such as myself better than a player with extensive personal experience that is familiar with my quirks is what's silly, dude.

[House]

Stop undermining my read of you.

Ditto.

Particularly when you try to threaten me with that.

Vote me.

Watch how hard I quake.

[House]

Why not? I've gotten you as scum b4.

Here's an exercise, Einstein.

Link a game where you "caught" me as scum when Titus was townreading me.

I'll wait, but don't take too long. I probably only have about 30 years left in me.

[House]

Still waiting.

[House]

As in, you can't do it.

I accept your admission of failure.

[House]

Let’s assume your premise is correct House that Nero has never caught you as scum.

That is not my premise at all.

My penises is that he has never "caught" me as scum

when Titus was townreading me.

That's a major qualifier that you missed.

[House]

Let’s assume your premise is correct House that Nero has never caught you as scum.

That is not my premise at all.

My premise is that he has never "caught" me as scum

when Titus was townreading me.

That's a major qualifier that you missed.

Lol fix't

[House]

He's only putting a qualifier on it to try to discredit.

also ewww

Since you can't link the game, it obviously worked

[House]

Eldritch God

I just googled that, and I don't know whether to feel complimented or insulted.

I'm a narcissist, so I'll go with complimented.

[House]

Sell me on one of the top two wagons OR why both are shit.

You know what I don't see that I do when Wake is town but never do when he's scum?

Read walls.

Beautiful, glorious, exquisitely detailed read walls.

Prosecution rests, your honor.

[House]

Eldritch God

eh

I'd argue that being intentionally chaotic isn't very good town play, not that I think he's town but ya know just in case he was sent a green pm

I've never claimed to have very good town play.

Pop quiz: how does my play forward a scum agenda?

[House]

Well, unless Wake is scum then you are pushing town and there's just basic scum motivation in that.

Also, you are defending the snot out of Andre so if he scum there's a chance you are too.

When did I defend Andre?

[House]

VOTE: House

Looking forward to reasons.

[House]

3 more votes till a house fakeclaim

I'll give it to you now.

I'm a Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

[House]

Hint: I don't true claim. If I get limmed, so be it. I'm dead either way, anyhow.

If my elimination goes through, my flip will just give town additional information.

[House]

It looks an awful lot like you are just fluffing the thread up.

House has a whole lot of time to talk shit for someone too busy on VLA to read the game

I always have time to talk shit.

What I don't have time for is in depth analysis.

Kinda strange that you don't get the difference between the 2. Maybe that's because it's not something you need to concern yourself with.

[House]

House what do you think about iPhone 13?

I wouldn't know anything about it. I'm a Samsung fanboy.

Specifically, a Note junkie.

[House]

Nope. No revisions.

I'm on VLA and scrolling wallposts.

I'm talking about this. I'm interpreting "scrolling wallposts" as "scrolling past wallposts without reading them".
I'm not saying I'm expecting in-depth analysis while you're VLA, I'm saying you could at least read the posts of the game if you've got time to shitpost back and forth

Nope. Wallposts are information overload, especially when I'm on vacation.

[House]

Eh.

DGB is town.

Not the best voting atm, but town.

[House]

I beg to differ. Repositioning on the wagon is more often done by scum to either appear as a "late voter" rather than a leader, or because they were adjacent to a buddy and want to have space between their names on the wagon. I suspect this is BOTH. I could be wrong but I think DGB had at least a 50% probability of flipping red, which is considerably higher than random. The other person I am willing to vote is Wake.

Waffling is often done by unsure/indifferent town.

It comes down to state of mind. I believe DGB is waffling, not just positioning.

[House]

That wasn't "waffling" though

/disagree

[House]

That wasn't "waffling" though

/disagree

Then

[House]

I beg to differ. Repositioning on the wagon is more often done by scum to either appear as a "late voter" rather than a leader, or because they were adjacent to a buddy and want to have space between their names on the wagon. I suspect this is BOTH. I could be wrong but I think DGB had at least a 50% probability of flipping red, which is considerably higher than random. The other person I am willing to vote is Wake.

*crawls deeper into pocket*

He switched his vote shortly after.

How's that pocket feeling, now?

Spoiler:

Not that I'm scumreading A50, just pointing out an inconsistency in his narrative.

[House]

TIL Ythan isn't an alt that's familiar with my play.

[House]

Oh, join date.

Derp.

Guess we haven't played, before.

[House]

Not that I'm scumreading A50, just pointing out an inconsistency in his narrative.

There is no inconsistency. I clearly said the other person I'm willing to vote was Wake, and then I realized mine was the only vote on DGB while Wake had a wagon him, so I moved to the larger wagon of the two.

Fair.

[House]

One way or the other...

[House]

@House, how many games have you, Titus, and Nero all played together you think?

Titus and I?

Several.

Me and Nero? Like, one that I am aware of, that was years ago.

[House]

@House, how many games have you, Titus, and Nero all played together you think?

Titus and I?

Several.

Me and Nero? Like, one that I am aware of, that was years ago.

I ask because you made an argument against Nero (I skimmed, so give me some rope here), where you were bashing Nero about them SR’ing you despite Titus TR’ing you, but if you all haven’t played multiple games together, then your argument I would argue seems in bad faith and irrelevant (it would be based on at best anecdotal evidence anyway). Does that make sense?

Well tbf, you'd see that wasn't the case if you had read my posts a little more carefully.

[House]

Top wagons are house & wake XDDDD

I'm really not seeing town here.

I'm not seeing anything alignment indicative there.

[House]

Top wagons are house & wake XDDDD

I'm really not seeing town here.

I'm not seeing anything alignment indicative there.

If the two top wagons you think might be on town, would that be your reaction?

I don't have a ton of confidence in my d1 reads, so... possibly?

[House]

Why be frustrated or annoyed if there's a 50~% chance you're wrong?

As far as read certainty goes, Nero is a lot more sus imho.

Dude acts like he has some special knowledge that everybody needs to sheep, and he's just going to blame me after I flip regardless of whether it's via mislim or nk.

Remember this post when I'm dead and he tries to pawn off his shit push as my fault.

[House]

Dude acts like he has some special knowledge that everybody needs to sheep, and he's just going to blame me after I flip regardless of whether it's via mislim or nk.

I'm hunting and playing the game. Don't buy that you are town though and us being 70 pages in and me being your only "scum" read is pretty wank.

Lol

And you claim to be hunting.

Funny guy.

[House]

Well, unless Wake is scum then you are pushing town and there's just basic scum motivation in that.

Also, you are defending the snot out of Andre so if he scum there's a chance you are too.

When did I defend Andre?

Waiting for an answer.

Oh yeah .. remember when you thought you were my only scumread, when I've been calling you town with idiot reads & voting Wake 88?

Those were the days.

Tell us more about how you're hunting, Nero.

[House]

Well, unless Wake is scum then you are pushing town and there's just basic scum motivation in that.

Also, you are defending the snot out of Andre so if he scum there's a chance you are too.

When did I defend Andre?

Waiting for an answer.

Oh yeah .. remember when you thought you were my only scumread, when I've been calling you town with idiotic* reads & voting Wake 88?

Those were the days.

Tell us more about how you're hunting, Nero.

[House]

Think about it Nero.

You find some sort of way to claim every single post I make is riddled with scum intent.

What fucking scum even plays like that?

[House]

I can't deal with this Lv -infinity dumb shit spewing out of Nero anymore.

[House]

On second thought, keep talking.

I'm sure it will help your cause.

[House]

Maybe the 5 millionth empty accusation will be the magic one

[House]

If I'm mafia I kill Math
If I'm a town doc I'll protect a50
If I'm a vig I'll vig I'll vig Andre
if im a town cop I invest kyo
if im a tracker I track House

This isn't real at all.

Why in the world would you not just shoot me if you were a vig?

You've been crying real tears for my death all day and haven't whined at all about Andre.

I. Don't. Believe. You.

here's 1. In general, you want to eliminate scum and you vig/investigate inactivity. I think you are scum and want you eliminated. I do think Andre is a little scummy and him being busy and not participating is NAI but its still a good vig shot. If not Andre who?

There's amother one somewhere. Maybe it was one of those blanket statements of "andre not posting isn't AI"

Mentioning his name in a post isn't defending him. I don't even know the guy.

I simply posted what YOU hadn't done.

[House]

Mentioning his name in a post isn't defending him. I don't even know the guy.

I simply posted what YOU hadn't done.

naw, you were arguing that I shouldn't vig Andre but I had very much talked about Andre before then so you lied/misremembered. My pet theory is that you are just scum that's not really paying attention to this game but in fairness, there's alot of posts so forgetting what people wrote/their stances isn't an impossibility.


I have bullets, who do I shoot tonight and why?

If you had bullets, you wouldn't bother asking such a question.

You also wouldn't be stomping your feet about not getting your way.

You're a shit liar.

[House]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

I have no idea whether he's a good shot or not.

I just firmly believe there's a zero percent chance you shoot anyone but me if you had the chance in the hopes of being able to gloat about how right you were.

The fact you're talking about wanting not!me vigged when you've literally been posting me all day and can't get the job done tells me that you know I'll flip green.

[House]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

I have no idea whether he's a good shot or not.

I just firmly believe there's a zero percent chance you shoot anyone but me if you had the chance in the hopes of being able to gloat about how right you were.

The fact you're talking about wanting not!me vigged when you've literally been pushing* me all day and can't get the job done tells me that you know I'll flip green.

Fix't

[House]

So are you calling me scum?

I'm calling your play disingenuous.

I'm trying to figure out why.

[House]

hows that fence feel?

I see you're using terms you don't understand.

Have fun with that.

[House]

In other news, we need more Wake votes.

He didn't even TRY to counter my reason for voting him when he was here.

[House]

Wake, are you all caught up?

Mostly. No access to a laptop until Sunday at midnight, so stuck with my cell which is extremely inefficient.

It's a smidge past Sunday at midnight, old bean.

[House]

Wake, are you all caught up?

Mostly. No access to a laptop until Sunday at midnight, so stuck with my cell which is extremely inefficient.

It's a smidge past Sunday at midnight, old bean.

OK, so you weren't privy to this like Dwlee was, so I'll explain it to you respectfully knowing that you didn't know the situation.

I was V/LA until Sunday because I work two different hospital jobs, and last Sunday I'm working at my less critically-acute job. This means, for the most part, my patients aren't that sick. I'm also doing a marathon of thirteen 12-hour shifts in a row and this is night 5. So here's the deal:

I was expecting to be more active last night but an hour into my shift my patient coded. Not going to go through the ghastly details but we had to call 911 and ship the patient to the ED via ambulance, who then had to go flight for life via helicopter awhile after that. Also it was the beginning of a full moon yesterday so of course almost everyone's patients went bat-shit crazy including two of mine, requiring new PRN sedative orders and an IM injection to stop the patient from beating up their sitter and potentially mortally injuring themselves. It was a crap-shoot. It's healthcare.

I JUST got done with my NOC med pass now. It's 2130. No one's trying to die on me for the most part so I have a little time, hopefully, to spend on this game. So please, for the love of God, be patient.

Wasn't out to rush you, I was just taking you at your word.

Do what you gotta do, by all means.

[House]

While you're here House what do you make of #1839?

Honestly, I'm townreading Titus and trusting her to sort her brother because he's a mystery to me.

His play has changed considerably since we've been in a game together (I just got back a bit ago, myself)

[House]

I think Andre could be Scum as well seeing as we're at 74 pages and he only has 17 posts, but is Johnny on the Spot when called on lurking.

Betelgeuse? Fair point.

Nice to see a reason. I've been VLA and haven't seen much regarding him.

[House]

While you're here House what do you make of #1839?

Honestly, I'm townreading Titus and trusting her to sort her brother because he's a mystery to me.

His play has changed considerably since we've been in a game together (I just got back a bit ago, myself)

Is it a good play, though, to trust an unknown with sorting out another unknown?

Titus is just as unreadable and opaque as her brother.

Not really. We've met a couple times and played games in person at TitusMeet 1 as well as quite a few on the site.

I'm getting a bead on her.

[House]

Andres' activity (or rather lack of it) is NAI.

VOTE: Wake

Your jumping on wagons when they are opportunistic for you

is

.

FOS: Mathblade

Lol.

I think Nero may have attributed that post to me in his zeal to mislim me.

[House]

While you're here House what do you make of #1839?

Honestly, I'm townreading Titus and trusting her to sort her brother because he's a mystery to me.

His play has changed considerably since we've been in a game together (I just got back a bit ago, myself)

Is it a good play, though, to trust an unknown with sorting out another unknown?

Titus is just as unreadable and opaque as her brother.

Not really. We've met a couple times and played games in person at TitusMeet 1 as well as quite a few on the site.

I'm getting a bead on her.

You may be getting a bead on her but it's still not good play if you are in fact Town.

For all you know she could be Scum and MB Town, or the other way around. It's way too iffy to rely on an unknown to accurately read another unknown.

Nah. She's town.

[House]

House, could you reason that my issue with A50 is justified?

He's the one I consider an unknown the way you consider Titus an unknown.

I tend to put off reading players like him and Firebringer, etc until there's more information.

I can see why you are saying that, I just think it's too early for me to jump on.

Andres, I would support... but if I vote him, you won't get Nero's vote.

[House]

While you're here House what do you make of #1839?

Honestly, I'm townreading Titus and trusting her to sort her brother because he's a mystery to me.

His play has changed considerably since we've been in a game together (I just got back a bit ago, myself)

Is it a good play, though, to trust an unknown with sorting out another unknown?

Titus is just as unreadable and opaque as her brother.

Not really. We've met a couple times and played games in person at TitusMeet 1 as well as quite a few on the site.

I'm getting a bead on her.

You may be getting a bead on her but it's still not good play if you are in fact Town.

For all you know she could be Scum and MB Town, or the other way around. It's way too iffy to rely on an unknown to accurately read another unknown.

Nah. She's town.

How would you know that though?

I'm not privy to that information so how are you?

Daycop inno.

I'm not putting that info out to be public knowledge or it becomes useless.

As I'm sure you can see, it's valuable intel to have & I'd rather not lose it.

[House]

While you're here House what do you make of #1839?

Honestly, I'm townreading Titus and trusting her to sort her brother because he's a mystery to me.

His play has changed considerably since we've been in a game together (I just got back a bit ago, myself)

Is it a good play, though, to trust an unknown with sorting out another unknown?

Titus is just as unreadable and opaque as her brother.

Not really. We've met a couple times and played games in person at TitusMeet 1 as well as quite a few on the site.

I'm getting a bead on her.

You may be getting a bead on her but it's still not good play if you are in fact Town.

For all you know she could be Scum and MB Town, or the other way around. It's way too iffy to rely on an unknown to accurately read another unknown.

Nah. She's town.

How would you know that though?

I'm not privy to that information so how are you?

Daycop inno.

I'm not putting that info out to be public knowledge or it becomes useless.

As I'm sure you can see, it's valuable intel to have & I'd rather not lose it.

I'm assuming you're joking because Normal games don't have Day Cops?

Yes, I'm meming.

[House]

Not interested in bussing this early.

[House]

So then let's go back to post #1859 without ignoring it please.

Read the rest of my reply to that post that you previously partially quoted.

[House]

Not interested in bussing this early.

Could you please take this game seriously, House?

You were asking for me to come in and play and now I'm here.

Could you please answer my questions seriously when I ask them?

I told you. I just got back myself, and people's playstyles have changed.

I'm not all about getting rid of the experienced players without something substantial (hard data, not speculation) to support it.

If it happens, it happens. But I'm not going to be part of it.

[House]

So then let's go back to post #1859 without ignoring it please.

Read the rest of my reply to that post that you previously partially quoted.

Could you quote it please?

I'm not putting that info out to be public knowledge or it becomes useless.

As I'm sure you can see, it's valuable intel to have & I'd rather not lose it.

[House]

Friendly Neighbor that leaves Masons

Not entirely true.

The recipient knows the sender is town, but the sender does not know the recipient is town.

[House]

Part of me thinks you might be bluffing me, House.

Think what you want.

I'm not giving up valuable information to appease you.

[House]

House, you're not going to get hard data Day 1.

Precisely my point.

Thank you.

[House]

Friendly Neighbor that leaves Masons

Not entirely true.

The recipient knows the sender is town, but the sender does not know the recipient is town.

But FN acts at Night, which we haven't even had yet, so you can't be a FN if that's your angle.

It's not.

[House]

House, you're not going to get hard data Day 1.

Precisely my point.

Thank you.

I'm pointing out that you did get hard data on Almost50's multiple contradictions yet you're choosing to ignore it.

You're speculating that his contradictions are borne of scum intent.

He might be meming. I'm more interested in his associations and voting pattern.

[House]

Friendly Neighbor that leaves Masons

Not entirely true.

The recipient knows the sender is town, but the sender does not know the recipient is town.

But FN acts at Night, which we haven't even had yet, so you can't be a FN if that's your angle.

It's not.

That leaves Masons, which can act during the day, but the way you described it it can't be Masons either, which reads to me as a complete bluff, which means you have no reason to auto-trust Titus's read of Mathblade, whom both would be unknowns to you if you were Town.

Make it make sense, House.

Nah.

[House]

Part of me thinks you might be bluffing me, House.

Think what you want.

I'm not giving up valuable information to appease you.

I don't think you appreciate my appetite for answers, House.

I don't think you appreciate the value of my intel.

[House]

I'll go to my grave before i talk about how I can tell Titus is town

Being able to read her is more important to me than staying alive in one game.

[House]

House, you're not going to get hard data Day 1.

Precisely my point.

Thank you.

I'm pointing out that you did get hard data on Almost50's multiple contradictions yet you're choosing to ignore it.

You're speculating that his contradictions are borne of scum intent.

He might be meming. I'm more interested in his associations and voting pattern.

When you are Town you DON'T contradict yourself, because that means you're lying.

Obviously your views can evolve, but that's different from blatant, hypocritical contradictions.

Out of curiosity do you also think it's OK for Town to lie?

Yes.
I lie as town pretty frequently.

I have in this game, in fact. Unless you think I was serious when I told Nero I was a Town Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

[House]

I'll go to my grave before i talk about how I can tell Titus is town

Being able to read her is more important to me than staying alive in one game.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

If in reality you're being this recklessly stubborn based on just a read then you're only hurting Town, IF you are Town.

Ok

[House]

House, you're not going to get hard data Day 1.

Precisely my point.

Thank you.

I'm pointing out that you did get hard data on Almost50's multiple contradictions yet you're choosing to ignore it.

You're speculating that his contradictions are borne of scum intent.

He might be meming. I'm more interested in his associations and voting pattern.

When you are Town you DON'T contradict yourself, because that means you're lying.

Obviously your views can evolve, but that's different from blatant, hypocritical contradictions.

Out of curiosity do you also think it's OK for Town to lie?

Yes.
I lie as town pretty frequently.

I have in this game, in fact. Unless you think I was serious when I told Nero I was a Town Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

So do you think Town and Scum can basically act the same? Where do you draw the line if lying, contradictions, etc is OK if you're Town?

Of course they can.

Actions mean nothing. Intent means everything.

Mafia 101

[House]

Come on Wake. Surely you've seen players such as RC & Firebringer literally claim to be scum AS TOWN.

What's with these sophomoric questions? Does not feel legit.

[House]

trusting her to sort her brother

DO NOT TRUST TITUS TO SORT MATHBLADE

She's probably worse at it than you are

Is she? You know I haven't been around. I was working on the assumption that she'd know her brother better than anyone.

[House]

trusting her to sort her brother

DO NOT TRUST TITUS TO SORT MATHBLADE

She's probably worse at it than you are

If House is putting me through all this bullshit because it's just a read he's got of Titus then I'm gonna pissed with him.

Prepare your angry face, but I'm right.

[House]

Come on Wake. Surely you've seen players such as RC & Firebringer literally claim to be scum AS TOWN.

What's with these sophomoric questions? Does not feel legit.

Hey, don't try to downplay my questions just because you don't like it.

I haven't played in years and don't even remember those two players.

Yeah, but you were here long before I was...

[House]

I think the core issue is that House is placing too much trust in Titus's ability to read her brother, because siblings.

I'm fine with abandoning that assumption if it's a fact that Titus can't read him well.

[House]

I think the core issue is that House is placing too much trust in Titus's ability to read her brother, because siblings.

There was a recent game whose name I forget where everyone trusted Titus's townread of MathBlade, who was in fact scum.

Even when I had an incriminating result on MathBlade, Titus wouldn't believe me and hammered me in 3p over MathBlade!scum.

Never, ever trust Titus' read of MathBlade.

Noted.

[House]

So my issue with House now thanks to these exchanges is that either he's stubborn and it's clouding his judgment, or he's Scum and trying to take the heat off A50.

I'm trying to figure out which it is.

I'm not discussing votes on him.

I'm just not adding mine.

[House]

If it happens, it happens. But I'm not going to be part of it.

[House]

So my issue with House now thanks to these exchanges is that either he's stubborn and it's clouding his judgment, or he's Scum and trying to take the heat off A50.

I'm trying to figure out which it is.

I'm not discouraging* votes on him.

I'm just not adding mine.

Edit: typo

[House]

As far as contradictions go, I'm contradicting myself for voting you when I'm refusing to vote Wake when you both fall into the same category.

UNVOTE:

I know I'm town, ergo, town is capable of contradicting themselves.

If anything, scum works harder to maintain a consistent narrative to avoid such lv0 analysis.

[House]

I still want to see those glorious read walls, but I get what you were saying earlier about time and r/l commitments.

[House]

As far as contradictions go, I'm contradicting myself for voting you when I'm refusing to vote Wake when you both fall into the same category.

UNVOTE:

I know I'm town, ergo, town is capable of contradicting themselves.

If anything, scum works harder to maintain a consistent narrative to avoid such lv0 analysis.

OK.

So how about Andre?

Any reservations for Johnny on the Spot?

It's like you're not even reading my posts.

Andres, I would support... but if I vote him, you won't get Nero's vote.

[House]

I still want to see those glorious read walls, but I get what you were saying earlier about time and r/l commitments.

I'm done with read walls.

They take too much time.

/Veto

[House]

he's Scum and trying to take the heat off A50.

I doubt that.

Just don't tell him about my new hobby.

I want it to be a surprise.

[House]

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

This is bad. This is really bad. Hopping off a wagon you've been leading when it starts to gain momentum always is.

You're one to talk, A50.

You jump on them when they gain momentum, and you said it yourself that you're opportunistic.

Tell me how that isn't bad.

Early D1 wagons never go through. People just mess around with their votes and mainly build wagons to "try" and put some pressure on someone and see how they react. Besides, it ain't "scummy" to hop on wagon on page 5 and explicitly state you haven't caught up yet. It is scummy though to try and fake a reason to hop in a wagon, or to leave one that you have been pushing when it does gain momentum. I can only think of 3 reasons for one to do it, 2 of them are scum indicative and one is not applicable in this case.

A) Initial vote was meant to be distancing and one didn't expect the wagon to actually go through (translation: Both the voter & the votee are scum)
B) The voter/unvoter knows the votee is Town (i.e. the voter is SCUM) and doesn't want to be seen as responsible for the mislim
C) The voter suddenly saw something that confirmed to them that the votee is indeed a Townie.

Now sisnce you weren't that active at the time, I don't see what CSF could have seen as a strong evidence you were Town, so that one I call inapplicable. That leaves us with Scum/Scum or Scum on Town.

HOWEVER, nothing is carved in stone. People make bad moves in this game all the time, so I am just pointing out that this is a move that has the potential to come from scum.. a move that is suspicious IMHO, but not enough to make me go "I caught Scum. Sheep me".

Quoting for new page because #goodposting

[House]

[House]

*stifles an "I told you so"*

[House]

Can't lie, though. I was paranull on him.

[House]

We need to consolidate with enough time to reevaluate if the wagoned player claims an important PR or something.

We could consolidate on House who is refusing to claim his real role.

That's true.

[House]

its low risk high reward

Yeah. To hell with whatever I might be, as long as it soothes your previous ego to "win" some perceived "battle" against me.

You don't think I'm scum. You just don't like my playstyle.

You're transparent, dude.

[House]

its low risk high reward

Yeah. To hell with whatever I might be, as long as it soothes your precious* ego to "win" some perceived "battle" against me.

You don't think I'm scum. You just don't like my playstyle.

You're transparent, dude.

Fix't