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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Roden
I didn't know the game was bastard...

[Dwlee99]

I didn't read but I just remembered I forgot to claim I'm a miller

[Dwlee99]

4:31am brain forgot what I was oops

[Dwlee99]

I’m a Miller btw

Woa same

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Roden
I didn't know the game was bastard...

It's fine, I have a N0 inno on you.

Wait this is impossible

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mewtaph
Sorry I forgot how to not put one thought per post

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM
If you investigate me it'll prove I'm a miller lol

[Dwlee99]

Also should mention I will not show up to a role cop as "Miller"

[Dwlee99]

It's 100% serious. My role is not called Miller. I'm essentially a named Miller.

[Dwlee99]

I also might be a universal Miller? It doesn't say cop checks specifically will see me as guilty

[Dwlee99]

Okay um

I'm very sorry

[Dwlee99]

I'm VT please ignore me

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Margot
DIE SCUM DIE!

[Dwlee99]

I 100% would have believed there being three millers
This is a Gypyx designed game, you throw your expectations out the window for this

Who is the third?

[Dwlee99]

Oh I thought that was a joke

Gamma your reads are flawless

[Dwlee99]

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

[Dwlee99]

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

may i ask why?

Cause you're town this game

[Dwlee99]

Reaction test success

[Dwlee99]

Reaction test success

me pestering a townie who has a weird townread on me is not out of my scumrange, but you can just say "meta bad" and keep townreading me if you want

(I'm assuming the end of that reaction test is that you're townreading me considering you're not voting me, lemme know if i am wrong)

Metabad

[Dwlee99]

All threads have daytalk

[Dwlee99]

I'm confused but if Datisi wants to join I will make him a double voter.

[Dwlee99]

I think we are already voting scum so it's okay

[Dwlee99]

dwlee, should i be getting worried you're being so buddy-buddy with me this game?

Of course not

[Dwlee99]

Kyo I think even if t3 is evil this push would be for the wrong reasons
Stay on Margot @datisi

[Dwlee99]

fakeclaims mason*

knowing my luck t3 is scum who was making a joke and i'll look like an idiot on d2

Exactly
Margot is best vote rn

[Dwlee99]

Someone isn't scum because they don't detect a joke

[Dwlee99]

I'm not buying it Kyo. Anything to convince me?

[Dwlee99]

Maybe I'm just falling for Roden pocketing me

[Dwlee99]

I don't really believe in meta

[Dwlee99]

You know it's weird though. My first game with Roden I kind of tunneled him. Then he was town. Second game I didn't tunnel him and he was scum. Maybe that's the read. What do you think?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why is Margot scum?

read the iso

Maybe Dwlee actually noticed and was keeping the suspense
VOTE: Margot
Though I’m not a fan of the vibes from kyouko

I'm pretty sure Dwlee saw the mod confirm, since they joked about this being a bastard game when they voted me

Correct

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: innocent villager

[Dwlee99]

IV no post

[Dwlee99]

Margot's read on me is bad but I don't think she is scum anymore

[Dwlee99]

yes and no - i know iv *hates* playing scum, and yesterday me/dwlee/datsi/iv all came out of a game where iv was scum soloing and he hated it so. my guess is that if he rolled scum twice in a row, it's likely he's exhausted from it and has no willpower to post.

See this sucks because I don't want to read IV this way but also I can't ignore this

[Dwlee99]

Where did I give an opinion on Kyo?

[Dwlee99]

Someone isn't town because they didn't detect a joke either

[Dwlee99]

Kyo I think even if t3 is evil this push would be for the wrong reasons
Stay on Margot @datisi

Did you not like this either?

[Dwlee99]

Nu uh

[Dwlee99]

I don't have much of a read on Kyo. I'm pointing out I said something similar to what you quoted about t3 TO Kyo and I wanted your opinion on that.

[Dwlee99]

Hi IV can you give real reads? Thank

[Dwlee99]

hi dwlee, is salsa town or scum? i'm currently a bit ??? there and i want a second opinion

Yea same. I find her hard to read historically.

[Dwlee99]

Both times I've been town with Salsa I scumread her (one time even mislimmed her) and the other time I was scum and she was town so I didn't actually have to read her

[Dwlee99]

Oh there was also a really quick game (about a day) where I was convinced she was town and she wasn't so yea my reads on her have been inverted.

[Dwlee99]

Tbf to you Kyo I also thought she was scum. Well sorta, I was torn between the NM+deepwolf solve and the NM+Marci/Salsa solve

[Dwlee99]

Also have history with NM also have not interacted

[Dwlee99]

That's the third time in like 10 hours where someone has called me man what is happening

It's okay

[Dwlee99]

I'm VT please ignore me

nice page 3 claim dwlee why?

Avoiding nk

[Dwlee99]

How

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Aristeia
Okay so like IV wack but also

What is happening

[Dwlee99]

It's now E-3, Roden Ninja'd my change

[Dwlee99]

IV I'm curious why you think Roden is town?

[Dwlee99]

I think the hop on mewtaph is opportunistic, your posts thus far are shorter than I expect to see out of town!you, though maybe it's too
early to tell on that front.

I also feel like you sort of egged on the vote on T3 but when datisi began questioning it you big dipped on the thread. This could be a coincidence though and primarily I'm voting you because the mewtaph vote looks opportunistic.

Kyo made a decent case for scum! Roden earlier

[Dwlee99]

I thought I explained it I liked roden’s unvote and mention of NM?

haven’t really looked at that slot much tho

why you ask?

Read 2 lol

[Dwlee99]

Kyo the way you do meta is so infuriating

[Dwlee99]

Your entire paragraph is

divorced

from what I was saying

This feels unnatural, like when scum searches for a powerful word to drive a point home. A quick ego search reveals you haven't used the term before. Why now?

Weary

[Dwlee99]

Kyo the way you do meta is so infuriating

I'm not saying you're wrong to say this but why

Read

[Dwlee99]

I can't trust you I'm sorry friend

[Dwlee99]

Aristeia
ssbm_Kyouko
datsi
T3
ChaosOmega
innocentvillager

If this list contains all scum I get bragging rights post-game

If it contains none I deserve bragging rights for being so bad

Anything else is worthless to me

[Dwlee99]

Meta: t3 only metas dwlee when he is evil

[Dwlee99]

I can't wait for the tell to be something wrong

[Dwlee99]

If it makes you townread me though then sure do whatever

[Dwlee99]

I really don't want to reveal this tell because this is the holy grail of meta tells (note that Dwlee has no scumgames since Open Draft so this tell might have gone away)

Have you checked it against all 30+ of my games since May?

[Dwlee99]

IV scares me

[Dwlee99]

Pending vote count maybe I hope onto IV idk

[Dwlee99]

Meta: t3 only metas dwlee when he is evil

Dwlee does not meta

Who is meta??

[Dwlee99]

Someone pointed out you get a day start pm so it's weird to me he didn't post RVS seeing that pm

[Dwlee99]

Yea it sounds like something I'd do

[Dwlee99]

Cause I do weird things?

[Dwlee99]

I thought it was kinda weird in a scummy way but also could just be a thing that people do because it happens. I once forgot that someone fake dayvigilante'd me in a previous game and said that it was the first time I'd been dayvigilante'd after I made a pretty big deal thinking it was real. And then people pulled out someone saying they were dayvigging me in a different game and then I got mislimmed lol

Well t3 said I'm meta town so I guess they should sure

[Dwlee99]

68 pinged me

Then Margot did something townie I forget

[Dwlee99]

68 pinged me

Then Margot did something townie I forget

let me know if you remember

what do you think of her E1 on me and defense of it

Head empty

[Dwlee99]

No thoughts, head empty

[Dwlee99]

Maybe?

[Dwlee99]

Probably the first but then I try to give off the second vibe

[Dwlee99]

IV I would be more upfront about how to read me but things I'm aware of that I think would be useful to read me I actively make an effort to not display so if I think something can read me well it probably won't eventually or will become less effective somehow.

[Dwlee99]

My scumdar is broken this game apologies

[Dwlee99]

My vote on Aristeia is mostly cause I feel like our thoughts on slots are weirdly misaligned

[Dwlee99]

I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to [their] town game than [their] scum game. I also don't think scum![them] would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum![them] really wants to push town!me since [they've] played with me before.

Also idk when Aristeia has seen my scum game to know this

[Dwlee99]

Hmm you're right

It was when I made my vote I'll go check

[Dwlee99]

Lying about meta to townread someone you know is town is something scum 100% do (I think t3 has done this before)

[Dwlee99]

datsi
T3
ChaosOmega
innocentvillager

my list is shorter than dwlee's so i'm automatically better than him *happy*

Also there was no progression moving away from thinking NM is closer to scum meta

[Dwlee99]

are you claiming she is doing that, or does 902 have no relevance to your read on her?

It's relevant now that I'm actually figuring out what has bothered me about her slot

[Dwlee99]

I mean I think I know who Aristeia is although she has never confirmed it (or I forge that she did) and based on who I think she is there is one game where I think I completely disagree with how she is applying meta here (beyond just metabad, in fact)

[Dwlee99]

It was funny but you're requiring me to figure out if t3 scum slipped there

[Dwlee99]

Yea that's wack

[Dwlee99]

Chaos nooo if you're town we can't do this again

[Dwlee99]

(I also don't need a reason not to be night killed. I hardly ever am.)

[Dwlee99]

Idk how to read t3. Even when I got him last game it was Poe and then looking for reasons. I did catch what may have been a slip? Though?

[Dwlee99]

He said something was scummy cause of a lie but in a different game had said provable lies aren't scum! indicative.

I can vote t3 with you
VOTE: T3

[Dwlee99]

Yeah that's what I was talking about. I kinda caught him but meh

[Dwlee99]

I think Margot might be town but don't quote me on that

[Dwlee99]

T3 I need a scum head on my desk by tomorrow night

[Dwlee99]

Please untilt

[Dwlee99]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87360

[Dwlee99]

...

[Dwlee99]

Datisi what are you doing

[Dwlee99]

idk

i'm still anxious about how soon you tried to be pals this game and also you've been doing very little which feels uncharacteristic so uh idk

This gamestate is just not one where I feel like I can solve rn

Too many walls and a ton of ate

[Dwlee99]

And palling is just cause I'm very certain you're town and so I'm going to be solving things as such with bouncing off of you

[Dwlee99]

You and Datisi voting me is actually atrocious here

[Dwlee99]

You here is Kyouko

It is not the correct hour for me to determine if this is grounds for the dwlee OMGUS tunnel

[Dwlee99]

Just cause you're the most recent poster doesn't mean "you" means you?? From context it's clear that I'm talking to Kyouko

[Dwlee99]

Maybe cause it's almost 4am and I woke up in the middle of the night my brain doesn't make sense rn but I think it does

[Dwlee99]

Kyouko had too many words I didn't feel like pressing quote button

[Dwlee99]

Maybe we should end on IV

Remembering how much ate spam he did in 9:12 makes me want to kill the slot

[Dwlee99]

T3 is also not a bad lim unless he happens to be a PR

[Dwlee99]

Y'know maybe it's both t3 and IV? I should do pre-flip associatives but until that time I'm just going to assume that that makes sense as a pairing

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: innocentvillager

wtf tbh
VOTE: iv

UNVOTE: kyo
This might be something of a townslip. Roden being IC seems like something scum would discuss in their PT.

This is weird to me because t3 didn't vote between 447 and 459 and no posts from IV happened (t3 was just catching up) but he tagged his thing as unvoting Kyo

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Margot
DIE SCUM DIE!

wot

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

may i ask why?

Cause you're town this game

This would normally be town indicative but this is also vaguely reminding me of Dwlee/cyrus (s/t) interactions in ODM so nah

After the end of page 4 I'm comfortable townreading Datisi and Dwlee.

This sequence reads like a TMI townread on me/dats

[Dwlee99]

I can't say dats cause it doesn't actually mean datisi now. You just had to be datsi lmao

Pedit: yess

[Dwlee99]

Okay I should go back to sleep so I wake up within the next four hours

Toodles

[Dwlee99]

Not so important that scum will have to kill you, but you strike me as a free thinker. You don't carry the influence to powerwolf here, but you also arent going to be easy to sway. If you are town, the longer the game goes on with you alive, the more accurate you'll get. I don't think you'll make it to ELO as town because you're not going to be useful as a vote or as a target for scum.

VOTE: Kyo

[Dwlee99]

When was I using meta here? And I think you're being inconsistent which is why that made me vote you

[Dwlee99]

Ftr I also think your meta that I am okay using meta as scum but not as town isn't really true. I don't use meta as either. I will mention other games because I find them useful for references on how tells/reads have played out and analogies can be made. I don't think that's meta.

[Dwlee99]

What you're calling anecdotal meta is just learning from past experience

[Dwlee99]

If I didn't apply past game experience to new games I would never get better. (Maybe I still don't but that's a different discussion)

[Dwlee99]

Okay then I don't think you're even on the same page as Reck because I think I've argued with him about learning from past experience in the sense of "I miseliminated this player before for this exact reason so it doesn't hold water"
which I guess does kinda comprise a grey area as a playstyle defense of that sort does kinda have to be regular meta

can you provide some key examples of where you've used that sort of factoring in past games in other games?

I'm pretty sure most games I've done it at least to some extent

I'm TTTT I said at some point "oh yeah Sigmund is Pooky and has done this quickhammer stuff as scum before" and realized Datisi was town

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Micro 1020: To Tell the Truth [Game over]

VOTE: Pooky
Dats I feel bad for not letting you kill Pooky before because he did literally the same quickhammer-town E-1 thing on his alt in a game I was in and I did not think about it.

[Dwlee99]

When was I using meta here? And I think you're being inconsistent which is why that made me vote you

When you said T3 said provable lies are NAI in another game and then voted him. What's inconsistent?

I was town in MBOS

That paragraph you said applies to me as a player as well I think yet you're voting me

[Dwlee99]

oh, t3 voted margot, interesting

dwlee, can you respond to 1100 i am actually interested in that

No I don't disagree with it really

[Dwlee99]

I didn't realize Sigmund was Pooky
How do you know that, because if so that exonerates Sigmund of a certain heinous act I've been litigating for a while now

Sigmund was in Yggdrasil and then Pooky pulled up in the discord

[Dwlee99]

When was I using meta here? And I think you're being inconsistent which is why that made me vote you

^^

[Dwlee99]

That isn't meta, that was t3 just lying about how he thinks about the game

[Dwlee99]

No he was just lying

It's like if I know your cat is named brick and you say your cat moss is at the vet and you can't spend time on the game. Me stalking you and knowing you only have one cat isn't meta.

[Dwlee99]

He has admitted it was a slip to mislim someone

If you're lying about how you think as town (beyond idk not revealing certain reads to avoid a NK or something) that's weird to me

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather Kyo at this point I think? Idk

[Dwlee99]

What are thing? Unless it's better to not out it yet

[Dwlee99]

Damn t3 I was hoping you'd at least eat a bullet with some of the pr implications you were giving off

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Innocent Villager

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Innocent Villager

Not Kyo? What changed?

Kyo wagon not enough people

Consolidating

[Dwlee99]

I'll be around tomorrow morning to switch if we need to

[Dwlee99]

What happened in the buzz world?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Fine?

What an entrance

I respect it

[Dwlee99]

bad NM kill wtf

[Dwlee99]

Wait so why do you think the wagons were SvS?

[Dwlee99]

Huh?

[Dwlee99]

happy scum day

[Dwlee99]

By doing what?

[Dwlee99]

I know in theory it's a thing scum can do but do scum actually just scum it up in order to lim a different scum instead of the PR in practice?

[Dwlee99]

Wait so why do you think the wagons were SvS?

Datisi has talked about this in other games
if there are 2 competing wagons and the wagons are avoiding voting each other like the plague then they're s/s

I do this all the time as town

[Dwlee99]

Anyway vig shot on NM very bad. Could have been rolecopped to conftown or a town PR fake claim or tons of things

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

Probably but I wouldn't mind if you didn't

[Dwlee99]

But didn't you do that tell in MBOS and it was wrong?

[Dwlee99]

Oh it was white flag and you said I was scum with guiltylion cause we didn't want to vote each other

[Dwlee99]

Datisi if I sheep you on this will you sheep me no matter what D3?

[Dwlee99]

Nah I just think I might have something really good next day phase

[Dwlee99]

@t3 why are you voting chaos

@dwlee who do you want to vote today that isn't t3

I'll probably have more thoughts next day phase

[Dwlee99]

@t3 why are you voting chaos

@dwlee who do you want to vote today that isn't t3

Poe
Dwlee ocktown btw

Pocket

[Dwlee99]

T3 doesn't end game and it's safer to lim now than later cause we could out a PR or something so:
VOTE: T3

[Dwlee99]

Do we wanna just kill t3 and regroup tomorrow?

[Dwlee99]

We have a VT claim that we don't want to live to ELO. Running up anyone else we could out a PR, so we should just kill t3

[Dwlee99]

I'm voting t3

[Dwlee99]

Gg, thanks for modding Gypyx!